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You recently issued a warning ("uw-unsourced2"), to ], regarding an edit to ]. Their addition included the words "an interview, published in the Sydney Opera House Monthly Diary in June 1978", "a major interview to The Weekend Australian in December 1983", "Ava Hubble's book, More Than An Opera House (Lansdowne Press 1983)" and "Letters written by Utzon and his daughter.. in the NSW State Library's Utzon collection", any or all of which may be reliable sources. Please treat good-faith edits by new editors with more consideration, and adopt a more welcoming approach. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 09:27, 3 December 2012 (UTC) You recently issued a warning ("uw-unsourced2"), to ], regarding an edit to ]. Their addition included the words "an interview, published in the Sydney Opera House Monthly Diary in June 1978", "a major interview to The Weekend Australian in December 1983", "Ava Hubble's book, More Than An Opera House (Lansdowne Press 1983)" and "Letters written by Utzon and his daughter.. in the NSW State Library's Utzon collection", any or all of which may be reliable sources. Please treat good-faith edits by new editors with more consideration, and adopt a more welcoming approach. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 09:27, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

:The section deals with the reconciliation with Jørn Utzon in the lead-up to the redesign of the interior that commenced at the beginning of the millenium, not the failed attempts at reconciliation many years before. That's why the section is titled "Reconciliation with Utzon", not "Faled attempts at reconciliation with Utzon" - the reconciliation with Utzon was a major milestone in the life and redesign of the interior spaces of the building. I gave HubbleConstant a warning because he had made contentious edits, including a wholesale deletion of the section, and had not received warnings for them, and then made without providing any source for the change, which was clearly incorrect given the context that I've described. Your restoration of his edits have now broken the section by reinserting his text in the middle of the section, resulting in change. removing "Beginning in the late 1990s, the ] began to communicate with Jørn Utzon in an attempt to effect a reconciliation and to secure his involvement in future changes to the building. In 1999, he was appointed by the Trust a" from "Beginning in the late 1990s, the ] began to communicate with Jørn Utzon in an attempt to effect a reconciliation and to secure his involvement in future changes to the building. In 1999, he was appointed by the Trust as a design consultant for future work." --<font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#fee72c 0em 0em 0.8em,gold -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#1D6B00 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#000000">] (])</font> 10:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

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Latest edit to Sheldon Cooper

I took the liberty of reverting your latest revert. It italicised a large portion of a sentence and presumably wasn't what you intended. Feel free to redo if you're sure, but it just looked weird to me. Regards -- Skysmurf  (Talk) 17:59, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I use Firefox and it all looked fine, but I just fired up Internet Explorer and it shows the rest of the paragraph italicised. Your resolution is what I intended. --AussieLegend (✉) 03:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

The point?

Hi.

Hope I'm not bothering you but I had a question: Although I don't exactly disagree with this edit, but I'm curious, what is the "whole point of including the image" that is "completely removed"?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 04:44, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Nope, not bothering me at all. It's good to see that someone else is checking out the edits. As well as just identifying the taskbar, the image demonstrates the task grouping feature introduced in Windows XP showing both grouped and individual items, and this is reflected in the caption, which was changed from "The "task grouping" feature introduced in Windows XP showing both grouped and individual items" to simply "The Windows XP taskbar". --AussieLegend (✉) 04:52, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Why did you change the taskbar image from 800px center back? It actually looks good that way, as almost every button is shown detailed, and hey, it's a wide but low image, so where's the problem? And FYI, Windows 7 already has that and can't see anything wrong with it. --Gaming&Computing (talk) 17:53, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
The answer to your question is already explained above, and in the edit summary linked to. It doesn't need to be 800px wide. Our image use policy recommends keeping images below 300px. If readers want to see the image at a higher resolution, they can click on it. That the Windows 7 article uses a higher resolution is irrelevant. Articles convey information in prose form, with images assisting the descriptions. They are not image farms. On a separate, but related note, Windows 7 only has 6 images, including the infobox. Prior to you adding ten more images, Windows XP had nine images, more than Windows 7. It now has far too many. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:01, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Well, firstly keeping images below 300px is, as you said, recommended, NOT necessary. Secondly, keeping that image centered/800px makes the article look good (like a panorama vision), and makes readers avoid to click on the image and then again just to see it at the highest resolution. Thirdly, most images I put in the XP article were not used in ANY article, so there's a very good reason for it to be here - also note that I put most of my images in the Gallery, not the general article. I can do the same to Windows 7 and any other article (ie. add more (useful) images).--Gaming&Computing (talk) 19:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
It's recommended for good reason. We need to ensure that images don't sandwich text and make pages difficult to read for editors using lower resolutions (such as mobile users) and vision impaired readers, as well as other reasons. Images should not overwhelm the text. In fact it's only lead images that are generally up to 300px. Unless there is GOOD reason (making things look pretty is NOT a good reason) we don't force image sizes, instead allowing them to be the default 220px wide, and there is nothing to be gained by making the taskbar image 800px wide. Making readers avoid clicking on images is not a reason for making the image larger either. It's not a practice that we follow anywere. You might notice that Windows 7 doesn't have a series of images like the XP article, which is why the taskbar image is on its own. As for the images not being used "in ANY article" is absolute rubbish. All of the images ARE used in articles for which they have a FUR:
Your claim that none of these files are used makes no sense, especially given that you're well aware that at least one (File:XP login.png) most definitely is used, as you've acknowledged that in the section immediately following this one, and you'll see from the discussion at Talk:Windows XP do not support your arguments. --AussieLegend (✉) 04:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Oops. My bad! I had NO idea they were used in those articles. Sorry about that. But BTW, I said that MOST of these images were not used. I was already aware that File:Windows Media Center on Windows XP.png was used in the XP MCE article. But all these images are part of XP, so I think they should also belong to the XP article. For example, Explorer was improved and Control Panel had a new category view, so we can simply put it in the 'New and updated features' section. What's wrong with that? --Gaming&Computing (talk) 21:51, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
"Most" is still incorrect. Of the 9 images that you added, 7 (i.e. most) were used in articles. The problem with adding File:Windows Media Center on Windows XP.png is the same problem that has existed all along and which you continue to ignore - it does not have an appropriate non-free use rationale for Windows XP and therefore cannot be used. This has been explained at length on your talk page. --AussieLegend (✉) 23:05, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

XP login

Sorry for the uploading of my Welcome screen image over the existing one. (File:XP login.png). The thing is, I was unaware that this filename was already used as the Upload form did not alert/warn me. --Gaming&Computing (talk) 15:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

It's always a good idea to check manually before uploading, and it wouldn't hurt for you to read and take notice of the advice that I gave you on your talk page about adding non-free content to articles without appropriate fair use rationales, as you keep doing to Windows XP. --AussieLegend (✉) 16:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Image size reduction

I noticed you reduced the size of File:XP Welcome.png - however I'm concerned. Firstly, I think it's a little TOO small now. And also, there's now no choice to view it in another resolution (ie. a larger one).

Why does it need to be small anyway? If we're gonna use it in a article, we can simply force the size to be more appropriate, like 300px or 250px. --Gaming&Computing (talk) 17:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

As I have pointed out on your talk page, apparently in vain, our non-free content policy requires that we use low resolution images. Also as I pointed out, we shouldn't force resolutions unless there is good reason. Thumbnails in articles default to 220px unless the editor has set a different resolution. --AussieLegend (✉) 17:57, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

List of Are We There Yet? episodes

The dates you put are wrong. These are the upcoming episodes they haven't aired yet: http://www.tbs.com/stories/story/0,,218053,00.html The last episode to air was "The Life Insurance Episode". 74.73.232.178 (talk) 19:07, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

That list includes a number of episodes that have already aired, not just new episodes, so it isn't a good guide for first aired dates. --AussieLegend (✉) 19:16, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

New version of AWB

An updated version of AWB is now available here. Cheers. Del♉sion23 (talk) 20:34, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Help

Hi. Can you please help me? I am just very confused about the non-free rationale and FURs. File:XP Control Panel.PNG and File:XP Welcome.png have these warnings. If possible, would you assist me to make a proper FUR/rationale? I read those WP help articles and I'm still confused!

BTW, File:XP Welcome.png is not used in any articles now you removed it, and will get deleted in a few days. I've restored that on the XP article for good reason: It's the NEW Welcome screen, which is a NEW feature, so should be in the New and updated features section! --Gaming&Computing (talk) 21:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Sydney Opera House

You recently issued a warning ("uw-unsourced2"), to User:HubbleConstant, regarding an edit to Sydney Opera House. Their addition included the words "an interview, published in the Sydney Opera House Monthly Diary in June 1978", "a major interview to The Weekend Australian in December 1983", "Ava Hubble's book, More Than An Opera House (Lansdowne Press 1983)" and "Letters written by Utzon and his daughter.. in the NSW State Library's Utzon collection", any or all of which may be reliable sources. Please treat good-faith edits by new editors with more consideration, and adopt a more welcoming approach. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:27, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The section deals with the reconciliation with Jørn Utzon in the lead-up to the redesign of the interior that commenced at the beginning of the millenium, not the failed attempts at reconciliation many years before. That's why the section is titled "Reconciliation with Utzon", not "Faled attempts at reconciliation with Utzon" - the reconciliation with Utzon was a major milestone in the life and redesign of the interior spaces of the building. I gave HubbleConstant a warning because he had made contentious edits, including a wholesale deletion of the section, and had not received warnings for them, and then made this edit without providing any source for the change, which was clearly incorrect given the context that I've described. Your restoration of his edits have now broken the section by reinserting his text in the middle of the section, resulting in this change. removing "Beginning in the late 1990s, the Sydney Opera House Trust began to communicate with Jørn Utzon in an attempt to effect a reconciliation and to secure his involvement in future changes to the building. In 1999, he was appointed by the Trust a" from "Beginning in the late 1990s, the Sydney Opera House Trust began to communicate with Jørn Utzon in an attempt to effect a reconciliation and to secure his involvement in future changes to the building. In 1999, he was appointed by the Trust as a design consultant for future work." --AussieLegend (✉) 10:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
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