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Re: ANI notification

Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 07:59, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Block

I have blocked you for 24 hours for disruptive editing. While you are understandably upset, it doesn't mean that you can freely act disruptive as well. You announced that you would become a sockvandal, which I can't prevent, but I would urge you to reconsider and to avoid doing anything with farther reaching consequences. Fram (talk) 08:24, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

I've extended the block indefinitely. My full thoughts can be found here, but the gist of it is, Andy; if you wish to back down and be constructive, I welcome it whole-heartedly. However, you're going to need to file an unblock request that outlines why, exactly, you should have the privilege of editing Misplaced Pages, and why we should trust you to interact with other users without personally attacking them. If this had been the first time, I'd be much more forgiving; as it is, I can't help but shake my head. You've had plenty of chances, and if there was ever a need for a wakeup call, let this be it.

Now, if you choose not to return to Misplaced Pages constructively, and instead go about your promise to vandalize and use sockpuppets, then I will be saddened by your decision and will have no choice but to stand by mine. Regards, m.o.p 09:01, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

I no longer consider editing Misplaced Pages a 'privilege' - not while the gross hypocrisy concerning 'civility' continues. Make rude remarks about a Wikipedian, and ANI fills up with the pitchfork mob. Systematically slander entire communities (as Ankh, Shrike and co have spent years doing) and fuck-all ever gets done about it. This stinks, and I no longer want to play any part in it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:01, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Excellent answer, Andy. Good luck to you. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 10:05, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations, mop. You've certainly made wiki a better place. No-one could possibly disagree with that. We must all agree that use of naughty words is an unforgiveable sin William M. Connolley (talk) 10:08, 25 January 2013 (UTC)]

You accusation is laughable I maybe made one or two edits edit concerning those gang articles.But I see that you don't have problem made any edits that oppose the demonization of Jewish state. --Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 10:22, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

You are going to back that up with evidence, I take it? AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:25, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

When was the last time you opposed pov-push against Israel?--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 10:27, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

"When did you stop beating your wife?" AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:30, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Do you say there were never a POV push against Israel/Israeli policies?--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 10:33, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

No. Now, are you going to produce the evidence I asked for (good luck with that...), or am I going to have to ask for your violation of WP:NPA to be acted upon in the appropriate manner? AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:49, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Can I take it from the above that Shrike has (after being warned) withdrawn the suggestion that I support the "demonization of the Jewish state"? I will presume so, until I see an indication to the contrary. This leaves us with a problem, however - what the fuck has 'the Jewish state' got to do with British Pakistanis committing serious sexual offences on the streets of Derby? Nothing at all, one would assume. Unless of course one was of the persuasion that saw 'the Jewish state' in a no-holds-barred fight with Muslims everywhere, and where any attack on Muslims was legitimate as a defence of said state. Or is there another explanation, that doesn't involve attacking (or at least maligning) Muslims on this basis, but nevertheless brings Israel into the picture? I can't think of one. Perhaps Shrike can enlighten us as to why Israel is of any relevance to a discussion about criminality in a town in the British Midlands? Failing this, one can only reasonably assume that Shrike does see British Pakistanis as a legitimate target (for propaganda I mean) in the defence of Israel? So Shrike, tell us more.... AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:20, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Andy; either you're on the right track or some people don't even understand their own words. Everyone who can think sees you're right. No need for anyone to elaborate. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 11:25, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

You were far from the right person to extend or in any way mess with Andy's block, m o p. You've done it before; it was a bad idea in 2011 and an even worse idea to repeat it now. Please undo your block extension. See my recent post on ANI. Bishonen | talk 10:29, 25 January 2013 (UTC).

On the contrary, I think it's a great idea now; to be brutally honest, Andy doesn't seem to see the error of his ways. He's instead focusing on what other editors have done wrong. Has everyone behaved themselves in this altercation? No, and I would be a liar to say that Andy's the only one who's been stepping on toes. But his actions were completely uncalled for, and I believe that, until he's explained himself and retracted his threats of sockpuppetry, vandalism, and his multiple violations of NPA. And, as I said on ANI - our past has nothing to do with this (because I didn't even remember it until seeing the diffs myself). I don't hold grudges. I can promise you that I'll always remain impartial, no matter what's going on.

Andy: regretful that we had to come into contact this way again. Before I forget; if what I've read is true, you're clinically depressed. If you feel punished for things you did while not in the right state of mind, I'm truly sorry; having dealt with depression myself, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Know that my actions are not influenced by words we've exchanged in days past, nor do I have a negative opinion of you as a person. I'm only acting in the Project's best interests (or attempting to at least). And, if you've been targeted, by Shrike, Media-Hound or whoever, I'd be glad to address those issues as well (though I'm assuming you'd want another admin to do that). Best, m.o.p 11:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

"If you feel punished for things you did while not in the right state of mind, I'm truly sorry" - I consider that remark offensive, to say the least, and I suspect that others may well see it the same way. Who the hell are you to judge who is in a 'right state of mind'? Do admins get psychiatric training now? And yes, I'd like another admin to deal with any issues - and I'd like you to stay the hell off my talk page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:01, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Andy - you might want to re-read what I read as MOP's attempt to sincerely help. "State of mind" is pretty generic, and not at all related to psychiatric evaluations. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 12:14, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

To clarify - yes, it was an attempt to sincerely help. m.o.p 12:30, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, BWilkins is right, I'd misinterpreted the juxtaposition: "...if what I've read is true, you're clinically depressed. If you feel punished for things you did while not in the right state of mind, I'm truly sorry". I was clearly being over-sensitive - but it is worth noting that it was Shrike who brought up this 'clinical depression' thing in the first place - which rather ties in with a discussion I saw somewhere (Village Pump?) about not mentioning any illness/disability in case it is held against you. As for my actual mental state, it is now 'dog-tired' but before I attempt to defeat insomnia (or at least hold it to a draw) can someone strike the 'AndyTheGrumpyVandal' post at ANI - that was clearly written while I had steam coming out of my ears, and even if I escape from this Ship of Fools, I can't quite see myself getting involved in vandalism. And apologies to those who I spammed with spurious ANI notices etc, for all the drama, and for the 'revision' to the ANI header. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:37, 25 January 2013 (UTC)