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| : I am going to take your advice from now on. Cheers.] (]) 12:30, 28 September 2012 (UTC) | : I am going to take your advice from now on. Cheers.] (]) 12:30, 28 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
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== October 2012 == | ||
| ⚫ | <div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> ] You have been ''']''' from editing for a period of '''1 month''' for ]. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to ]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may ] by adding below this notice the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here ~~~~''}}, but you should read the ] first.<p>During a dispute, you should first try to ] and seek ]. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek ], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request ]. ] (]) 22:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC)</p></div><!-- Template:uw-ewblock --> | ||
| ⚫ | : Very fair yet again. I am starting to like you as a moderator/admin. ] (]) 22:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC) | ||
| ::See, comments like this... they give me a bad feeling that I've been suckered somehow. Later tonight I'll look and see if I've missed something, and should lift TTAAC's block. --] (]) 22:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | :::Really? I was actually being honest but s your brought up TTAAC he has been edit waring as well.] (]) 22:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC) | ||
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| I don't want to harass you, but when was Hoang Van Chi "proven" to be a liar? He seems to have been a man of great integrity.] (]) 05:34, 29 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
| : I believe that he used quotes in his book that turned out to be lets say not really accurate. Anyway I did not know him,he might have been chocolate ] (]) 05:42, 29 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Death Toll in North Vietnam == | |||
| You raise a good point. We know (roughly) how many people were killed after 1975 in executions, camps, slave labor, famine, boat people, the Highlands offensive, ect. The truth is that nobody really knows how many people were killed in North Vietnam in the fifties. There were several reforms--"rent reduction", "political struggle", and "land reform"--and the land reform had two parts. Estimates vary widely for each, and some sources just combine the death tolls and refer only to the land reform. Others take low land reform execution estimates and act as though they are the total for all of North Vietnam's democide in the forties, fifties, and sixties. I've not seen a single estimate for how many people died in the camps during those years outside of Rummel, and he just estimates it by assuming a certain camp population and annual death toll based on the population size and other communist regimes.] (]) 23:07, 29 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Yes it is difficult and we should try to do something about it.My suggestion would be to get figures from the mid range and put them in.I doubt it is possible to get anything close to the real figures for each individual event and as you say some historians/authors just lump everything together. Might take a while to do but make it a work in progress.Possibly set up a section on the talk page to discuss which author/government etc is throwing out what figures.we can leave Rummel out as I believe his theory is not that good and he tends to over estimate.] (]) 00:37, 30 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :: I believe Rummel's numbers should be kept in as he is a credible schorlarly source, and it often overlaps with estimates made by other academics and scholars, however I do agree with both of you that there needs to be more diversification of academic analysis and study on these death tolls added on this article, though this will be difficult because no foreigners are allowed into these North Vietnamese gulags or land reform show trials and persecutions, to conduct any very accurate and detailed study into these events and suggest a very accurate number as to how many were killed and how many were imprisoned into hard labor etc. Even the info South Vietnam got about the Northern land reform, and its victims, were either from North Vietnamese defectors who defected to the South during the war under ], or part of the 1,000,000 refugees from the North who fled in 1954 (under ]) who saw the land reform already taking place under the Viet Minh for a few years already in their area, or from interrogation statements made from captured Northern cadres. For any additional estimates added, we should post the middle figure first and foremost, but also of the low and high numbers generated. ] (]) 03:05, 30 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::No need to have that US deaths by year table, inconcise and not done for the ARVN or NVA either, final total number is enough and the only thing important. ] (]) 03:49, 30 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::: OK.I have been sorting out your links, please could you do proper links when adding them. If a book then author,year,isbn and title and if a document, title,year,author. Just putting the url in is not good enough and gives no info as to what it is,it also looks better to a reader.Also I have made some major changes to the article today which I think makes it better,if you have any thoughts just post them here.Thanks.] (]) 03:54, 30 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Bad Move == | |||
| was very bad behavior. I removed the second mention of famine and tagged the suicides claim; why do you insist on removing a source? I agree with you about the VC label. I want you both to stop edit warring.] (]) 22:25, 30 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :I removed it because you and your mate kept readding the other piece about famine, there was no point having two pieces about famine in two sentences. I removed the first unsourced one and one of you put it back so I removed the other one, I am happy with what you have put there now. You should go tell Ngyuen to stop changing VC back to communist. ] (]) 22:28, 30 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| Hello, please discuss this topic on article's talk page rather than edit war. I note that you're now up to three reverts here in 24 hours. Thanks, ] (]) 00:13, 1 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :OK, Cheers. ] (]) 00:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::You should probably be blocked for reverting the word "communist" more than 3 times on Vietnam war casualties.] (]) 00:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::I was topic banned for one revert on a heavily protected article, along with three other editors. Your behavior on every article you've ever touched is as bad or exponentially worse, and you deserve a punishment. Your immaturity, harassment, POV-pushing, and possible sock puppetry is beyond the pale. I've never seen a more disruptive editor.] (]) 00:31, 1 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::::No one really cares what you think. You are a guy who sat on the Vietnam war casualties page for years and did not even have a section there for deaths caused by the American military when there were clearly sections for all other combatants.I suggest you stop harassing me on my talk page.] (]) 00:38, 1 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| == October 2012 == | |||
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| *I've blocked both of you for a week. I normally don't do edit warring blocks, but that's really just completely unacceptable. Behaving like that makes it a nightmare for rational people to edit or discuss issues. If this resumes when the block expires, I will block you indefinitely. --] (]) 15:28, 1 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :So you let off the other guy who was edit waring? ]? ] (]) 15:31, 1 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
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If you are being harassed by another editor, which you are, and they have been warned, please avoid making it worse by responding by repeatedly communicating with them, challenging their edits, or whatever. Focus on making contributions to our project. User:Fred Bauder Talk 11:48, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
- I am going to take your advice from now on. Cheers.Zrdragon12 (talk) 12:30, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
October 2012
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Floquenbeam (talk) 22:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Very fair yet again. I am starting to like you as a moderator/admin. Zrdragon12 (talk) 22:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- See, comments like this... they give me a bad feeling that I've been suckered somehow. Later tonight I'll look and see if I've missed something, and should lift TTAAC's block. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Really? I was actually being honest but s your brought up TTAAC he has been edit waring as well.Zrdragon12 (talk) 22:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- See, comments like this... they give me a bad feeling that I've been suckered somehow. Later tonight I'll look and see if I've missed something, and should lift TTAAC's block. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC)