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::Thank you ever so much. The user posted first at help desk wanting an article on 'himself'. No way to no for sure though. I emailed his PR for images and explained how Misplaced Pages works and I think they trust us with the article now. I gave them a COI link, etc. Once any images arrive then I will add those. If I don't hear from them then I will send one more email. If ] is kicking around there you may wish to ask if he wishes to pose in as ] character for that article. I noticed the Comic-Con post above and may ask in that project as well. We have another notable person, ], that I have been helping with images. Her article is still in draft space but due to go live in the first week of May when more sources are published. May I ask you to take a peek at that one now or when ready? Same issue with COI creating one in a sandbox. I came across it with image copyright issues at commons. She forwarded images and email permissions from the photographers to me and they are in the OTRS backlog at commons now. (insert your favorite barnstar here and sign my name to it).] (]) 23:22, 21 April 2013 (UTC) ::Thank you ever so much. The user posted first at help desk wanting an article on 'himself'. No way to no for sure though. I emailed his PR for images and explained how Misplaced Pages works and I think they trust us with the article now. I gave them a COI link, etc. Once any images arrive then I will add those. If I don't hear from them then I will send one more email. If ] is kicking around there you may wish to ask if he wishes to pose in as ] character for that article. I noticed the Comic-Con post above and may ask in that project as well. We have another notable person, ], that I have been helping with images. Her article is still in draft space but due to go live in the first week of May when more sources are published. May I ask you to take a peek at that one now or when ready? Same issue with COI creating one in a sandbox. I came across it with image copyright issues at commons. She forwarded images and email permissions from the photographers to me and they are in the OTRS backlog at commons now. (insert your favorite barnstar here and sign my name to it).] (]) 23:22, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

== ] closed ==

An arbitration case regarding sexology has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:
#] are authorized for all articles dealing with transgender issues and paraphilia classification (e.g., ]).
#] and ] are banned from interacting with each other, commenting on and/or commenting about each other including their professional lives, works and on-wiki activities. This applies to all namespaces, but excludes dispute resolution that explicitly relates to both parties.
#] is indefinitely banned from the topic of ], including biographical articles.

For the Arbitration Committee, ] <sup>(]•]•]•])</sup> 12:59, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for everything you do for the LGBT community... and wikipedia. I also wanted to let you know that your "coached" link is broken. Don't want to re-link a broken link, though :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HumminPolGeek (talkcontribs) 20:49, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for the barnstar. It is nice to know somebody recognizes one's work. I was going to make a dumb joke that if you wrote better articles, I wouldn't be editing them... Then I looked at your userpage and website. Dang. The barnstar is a real honor from somebody of your Misplaced Pages caliber and your professional acclaim. Thank you. Bgwhite (talk) 06:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Redirects

You seem to have a better grasp on some of the terminology, do these redirects seem odd, or even needed? I was looking at the new article list on the LGBT project page and saw them. Insomesia (talk) 22:45, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi there-- Redirects are cheap, as they say. I don't see any problems with those. It's a very obscure terminology which appeals to some people who used to be called "pseudotranssexuals" or "non-transsexuals" but who identify as transsexual. No one will ever search those terms, but there are very few redirects I would ever delete. Jokestress (talk) 23:32, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! Insomesia (talk) 23:44, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

An invitation for you!

Hello, Jokestress. You're invited to join WikiProject Today's article for improvement. If you're interested in participating, please add your name to the list of members. Happy editing! Northamerica1000 01:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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you do not want to get yourself killed tampering with information on this topic, child. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.43.201.210 (talk) 00:21, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Eugene Patterson

What in the blue hell are you doing touching my article? Naw just kidding thanks for expanding it, I try to make a stub then let other editors expand it and I just thought I'd let you know it is looking quite nice thanks to your additions! Happy editing!!! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 08:16, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Pretty terrible that we didn't have an article until he died. At least we have one for every Pokemon! Jokestress (talk) 08:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I've always thought the same on some things that we include, but better late then never. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 08:21, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

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It looks like you may speak Russian? Can you look into this and see if you can assay the sources provided for ], on the article Shimun Vrochek. I myself do not and could use the help, if you find that this person is notable you can link this to the AFD discussion and close it by withdrawing the nom. I can't read Russian and it will hinge on if the article is kept or not. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:14, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

David Wynn Miller

Hello Jokestress...

I don't see why you would remove from the article about Miller the fact that he alleges he died in 1975. It is a significant part of his life, his purported abilities, and his accomplishments. So it seems to me it belongs there. At any rate, the reference is found in one of the youtube videos from his Quantum Grammar seminar.

At about 3 minutes and 30 seconds into the video he says he was dead for 35 minutes. Here is the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZaK9ZXDgak&feature=player_detailpage#t=209s

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Thanks for the barn star. I think an over-enthusiastic editor was trying to prove how "important" she was! Regards, WWGB (talk) 12:33, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your removal of the "Controversy" section in the fark page.

Greetings, Jokestress.

You recently removed an entire section from this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/Fark

You were nice enough to send me the following comment when you made the edit:

"Hello, I'm Jokestress. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Fark because it didn't appear constructive. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Jokestress (talk) 09:41, 13 January 2013 (UTC)"

I have chosen to contact you as you requested. As you may know, Fark.com has been hemorrhaging people since about 2007. As a fark member since early 2001 I can say I have seen its influence grow and wane over the years. It is my opinion that the reason for fark's declining influence is the dissatisfaction felt by the members over the growing epidemic of "shadowbanning" where people are effectively removed from the site without evidence, notification, or any way of even telling that you've been removed except clearing your cookies.

You mention that the "controversy" didn't "appear constructive" and yet I truly believe that it is. It is factual, up to date, and I did not include any personal opinions in it like I have in this posting. (Specifically, my claim in the above paragraph that Fark's shadowbanning policy is likely the reason for their declining relevance.)

I intend to reinstate the section but I will allow you a few hours to do so on your own. Nice to meet you,

-Leeds — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.17.59.18 (talk) 21:04, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Need your help

Hi, I was very much actively editing with wiki. But now I am really facing a trouble, please help me to overcome that. I have created one article Kumar Anish, now the same is in a trouble. One of the Wikipedian put one notability box in that. I am putting a lot of efforts to create an article. I have very few supporters in wiki, you and other two three guys, so please help me to overcome the trouble. I want to save my article. He is a very famous person. Please give support and help me too. Mydreamsparrow (talk) 15:06, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I did not see very many English-language sources which mention him. If you have any other books, magazine, or newspapers discussing his work, add them. Also, if he is covered in other languages you know, you may wish to start articles on him in those languages, too. Let me know if you need any help adding sources. Jokestress (talk) 16:39, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Mydreamsparrow (talk) 06:09, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Jokestress. Thanks for posting your explanation about the offsite picture incident. Though it doesn't make your actions right, they now seem far less monstrous then the NYT made the out to be. Would you prefer this whole mess go to Arbcom? If so I would be inclined to drop my !vote. I'd hate to see you get TB'ed from a subject you are passionate about, but something needs to be done (and it's not just you). I'm usually anti sanctions, so im torn about supporting sanctions for you because you are an amazing editor.  little green rosetta(talk)
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I was just composing a response to you at AN/I. I'll post it there shortly. Thanks for keeping an open mind. Jokestress (talk) 18:31, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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I've kibbitzed a little about this dispute (it offers a far more serious opportunity to apply principles of separation of Wiki from extraneous activities that I had proposed in the Fae case). I should note that to me, as an outsider, your evidence about Bailey seems mystifying - it is not clear why you spend so much time in your presentation describing the foibles of a third party. Even if all of sexology can somehow be partitioned as pro-Bailey and anti-Bailey, even so, I'm not sure it's all that relevant. (If this were an arbitration between a liberal and a conservative, would the budget deficit be admissible?) If there is a strong direct relationship between Cantor and Bailey in some kind of on-wiki editing then you should make that clear; otherwise, it might be better to swap in more relevant data about your and Cantor's relationship instead. I should note in particular that the "fucksaw" thing is amusing but not persuasive to me - as one would not expect a medical course in gross anatomy to proceed without an autopsy, it seems like Bailey was taking what I would call a "forsane" position (i.e. more sane than most people) and suffered for it.
It is of course entirely possible that I've missed your point and I shouldn't have, but I just wanted to give you feedback. I am sympathetic to some of your position about overmedicalization of behavioral diversity though I view purveyors of transgender surgeries with equal suspicion. The most ironic thing about that citation is that I take it that both you and Cantor would agree, generally, that pedophilia is not a strictly isolated phenomenon of people attracted to prepubescents but has a long tail of people who are affected to a lesser degree, which to my intuition seems like an important step in the right direction. To me, it seems like the problem of pedophilia will be over with when you look up porn on the Internet and find lots of pictures of sexy 40- and 50-year-olds mixed in the natural ratio of the population; it seems bound up with the question of why adults' preferences are being driven in age-inappropriate but legal directions. Unfortunately, that source makes it sound like small differences in how the disease in defined are a sectarian battle in which small differences in religious doctrine can translate to people being locked up for life rather than freed for the exact same actions - but innately, properly, the decision of what to believe in ought to be made as freely as when people (in modern times) decide between Homoousian and Homoiousian. I would like Misplaced Pages to be a zone of "psychiatric religious freedom" in which all faiths can express themselves without having to fight each other over who is right. Wnt (talk) 18:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. It became clear from the request section that some people were going to start making up their minds before they saw all the evidence. The background material I have up for now is simply a placeholder to give context about the off-wiki disputes. My material about on-wiki conduct will contextualize that information. You'll note that most folks who come unhinged in response to this are academics, have science backgrounds, hold rigid medicalized worldviews, or some combination of the three. This dispute challenges the belief systems of some people, so they have very strong emotional responses. That upsets them too, because they consider themselves rational, objective people. The cognitive dissonance is not something they usually feel when considering "science." Add sex and consent to the emotional mix and kablooey! Gaskets are blown. More soon, and thanks again for the comment! Jokestress (talk) 19:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Well, be careful not to overgeneralize. My background is academic and scientific (but "real biology" :), and to me, psychiatry doesn't seem scientific enough. To continue with the previous example, I see no evidence in a search that anyone has ever taken pedophiles out to Nevada and let them pick out a sex worker, seeing how far they can get while periodically looking at fMRI and compared it to non-pedophiles with special attention to the regions reported to be lesioned in some individual pedophiles examined. I don't see evidence anyone has tried testing with pheromones, which to me seem of primary importance in altering and updating sexual perceptions. It ever galls me that our whole society is half nuts with fear over this condition, using it as an excuse to undermine basic axioms of freedom of communications, and we don't try the most obvious first-pass ideas to try to cure it; but I imagine we don't even know the full extent of the fallout, for example on age discrimination and on elderly couples who stop feeling attracted to one another. Anyway, I realize I'm off topic here, but when it comes to your case, I hope everyone will be able to focus tightly on the on-wiki interaction, which reflects not only your differences of opinion but also some inept Misplaced Pages policies I would like to fix. Wnt (talk) 21:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

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Bailey, Blanchard et al in academics

Hi, you are surely busy but I had an idea that may help. To me one of the core issues is the self-promotional nature of Bailey, Blanchard and crew. Someone else countered how many academic sites as evidence the subject(s) were not fringe. I wonder if examining how many of those cites are self-referencing vs. how many dispute their findings might be informative? I know it's complex but every time I look into this I notice how it seems like a walled garden is being nurtured along. Hope all goes well and keep up the good work! Insomesia (talk) 20:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. That's what led to the creation of this diagram. The source from which this all pours forth is this CAMH nexus. They are constantly logrolling for each other, citing each other, and self-citing. The self-citing has leaked onto Misplaced Pages via Cantor. Jokestress (talk) 20:49, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
That's what I see. If the diagram or a version to demonstrate all of that isn't already included I encourage it's use. To me this is the core of Cantor's activities. Insomesia (talk) 05:57, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I know this is probably a bit of a stressful time for you now, but don't foget to relax and smile.

  little green rosetta(talk)
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Thanks! I'm not stressed, though I have spent a lot of time sifting through mountains of evidence. It's an interesting exercise to distill this to under 1000 words. I'm treating it like a controversial article requiring extensive citations. Jokestress (talk) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

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BBC R4 Programme on Transgenderism

Hi Andrea, you're probably already aware, but Analysis, a BBC Radio 4 programme, made an interesting episode recently on trangenderism and feminism. The context is quite specific to the UK. I stumbled across it today and thought it might interest you.

Who Decides if I'm a Woman A spat between feminist Suzanne Moore and transgender rights activists played out on social networking sites, and then hit the headlines when journalist Julie Burchill joined in too.

Jo Fidgen explores the underlying ideas which cause so much tension between radical feminists and transgender campaigners, and discovers why recent changes in the law and advances in science are fuelling debate.

Contributors: James Barrett, consultant psychiatrist and lead clinician at the Charing Cross National Gender Identity Clinic; Julie Bindel, feminist and journalist; Lord Alex Carlile QC, Liberal Democrat member of the House of Lords; Melissa Hines, professor of psychology at Cambridge University; Richard O'Brien, writer of the Rocky Horror Show; Ruth Pearce, postgraduate researcher in sociology at the University of Warwick; Stephen Whittle OBE, professor of equalities law at Manchester Metropolitan University.

It's likely you're more tech savy than I, but here's a primer in using a proxy to access the BBC iplayer from outside the UK: . FiachraByrne (talk) 10:50, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks-- that's quite a motley crew! Always interesting that the majority of animus is directed at trans women (hence their title). That re-ignition of the radfem debate from 1979 is not something I am going to wade into again, but I'll take a look. Jokestress (talk) 10:59, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Sonata

Please spare us the stress of jokes such as Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata Number Eight In C Minor Op. 13. It's wrong in many respects, Beethoven Pathetique piano sonata No. 8 in C minor Op. 13 might work, but for whom? Did you know that naming conventions exist? Did you know that Beethoven wrote violin sonatas and cello sonatas? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:50, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

It appeared on this list which we are systematically clearing to determine the names of needed articles. We redirect as many variants as possible, because at least one person thought that was the name. Nice pun BTW! Jokestress (talk) 20:25, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks ;) - where does the list come from? "Minor" should be "minor", "Number" should be abbreviated, the number itself not a word, the nickname Pathetique probably italic, - can we educate that one person, rather than create a redirect that should not be imitated? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
ps: I also saw (not by you) Beethoven sonatas, redirected to his piano sonatas, - but he also wrote violin sonatas and cello sonatas, - misleading, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Per your inquiry, I have redirected Beethoven sonatas to Beethoven's sonatas, which disambiguates sonatas by featured instrument. Please feel free to expand Beethoven's violin sonatas and Beethoven's cello sonatas into articles similar to Beethoven's piano sonatas. Jokestress (talk) 02:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to but in, but redirects such as this should be encouraged (along with most combinations of the factors you mention) because they are very likely search terms. Redirects exist to enable people to find the articles they are looking for, whether they know Misplaced Pages's naming conventions or not (and particularly if they don't). I know little about this sort of music, but do occasionally listen to Classic FM, so my exposure to the titles is mostly by hearing it rather than reading it. I would be particularly unlikely to guess that "number" should be abbreviated, doubly so as the naming conventions for the areas of Misplaced Pages I'm most familiar with (rail transport, geography and language) generally avoid abbreviations. Thryduulf (talk) 00:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
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I brought you a wild pansy. These are in bloom everywhere this time of year, even way over there in CA if you know what to look for.

Hey! Just stopping by to say "Hey!". I've been busy with biochemistry and differential equations these last few months, but it's good to see that my slack has been picked up, so to speak. I'll be back in a few weeks once exams have finished up and maybe actually start writing some of these articles that need pages instead of just redirecting. The progress page estimates that the Stanford Archives will be done on May 13, 2014, and I must say: Challenge accepted. Anyways, it's kind of nice to know that I'm not the only one out there trying to destroy this monster, as it were. Well our time together dwindles, so until our fates intertwine once more, by my troth, I am off! Sesamehoneytart 13:22, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! These lists get harder to clear as we get down to the last answers, because the topics are either complicated, obscure, or borderline notable. It's interesting how many famous works of art do not have articles. Clearly a systemic problem! These lists get cleared by fits and starts, so I look forward to when you can put a little more time against them! Jokestress (talk) 16:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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San Diego Comic-Con International meetup proposal

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Film producer

Todd Lieberman tried to write his own article and made a bit of a mess. I don't know if it is in your field to expand. There is lots of RS on the net and you may have some handy in your area. His people are working on getting me a photos under free licenses. I will upload them to commons, help them with OTRS etc., and link his commons category to the article. No biggy but I just fear that his end may try to expand it and make a mess again.Canoe1967 (talk) 19:37, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

The original author is probably an employee/publicist, but Lieberman definitely warrants an article. I'd see him around the Disney lot now and then. I added some more stuff and sourcing. Jokestress (talk) 23:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you ever so much. The user posted first at help desk wanting an article on 'himself'. No way to no for sure though. I emailed his PR for images and explained how Misplaced Pages works and I think they trust us with the article now. I gave them a COI link, etc. Once any images arrive then I will add those. If I don't hear from them then I will send one more email. If Larry Thomas (actor) is kicking around there you may wish to ask if he wishes to pose in as The Soup Nazi character for that article. I noticed the Comic-Con post above and may ask in that project as well. We have another notable person, User:Bebad2013/sandbox, that I have been helping with images. Her article is still in draft space but due to go live in the first week of May when more sources are published. May I ask you to take a peek at that one now or when ready? Same issue with COI creating one in a sandbox. I came across it with image copyright issues at commons. She forwarded images and email permissions from the photographers to me and they are in the OTRS backlog at commons now. (insert your favorite barnstar here and sign my name to it).Canoe1967 (talk) 23:22, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
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