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Awww, gee! That was really super nice! Thank you! Montanabw 04:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I'm back--the one who worked on the Gypsy Horse/Gypsy Vanner article. I have a question. It seems like companies (i.e., for-profit entities) can have articles on here? If so, i would like to start an article for Black Forest & Gypsy Horses. They brought over a large no. of the Gypsies in the US today. They've since gone out of business and I'd like to capture as much info about them as possible before more is lost. As i understand it, i would just put (company) after the company name in the title? Is this doable?

Also we're finally to the point where we can upload material on the oral history of the Gypsy Horse onto Gypsy Horse Association's site. That will bring it into the realm of acceptability for Misplaced Pages, correct?

Thanks! SFGMary (talk) 15:38, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mary. The web site will get you past original research, anyway. We at WPEQ sometimes have troll troubles from people who don't like breed sites due to their perceived "bias," but usually, for at least who did what when, we've usually got them to work - the breed registry is, in theory, the BEST source for the breed's history. (At least, other than their claims of great historical antiquity LOL). Montanabw 17:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
The standard for any business article is the criteria at WP:NOTABILITY. It's possible to have major horse breeders count, for example, I've personally worked on William Robinson Brown, Henry Babson and, most recently Bazy Tankersley who were all major breeders of Arabians in the USA. For little dinky articles that have survived, Sheykh Obeyd made it. I'd say if you can establish the people as major players in the Gypsy breed, it will probably pass (we passed Virginia Highlander. You can just title it Black Forest and Gypsy Horses, no need to add (company). The big thing is to keep it from sounding like an advertisement; this is an encyclopedia. (the article on Linda Tellington-Jones got dumped for that reason). If you want to create a sandbox for it and start it in your own user space, I'd be glad to take a peek at it before it goes "live" (Note all my sandboxes in the list toward the top of the page, I've always got stuff cooking in one or the other) Montanabw 17:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Montanabw. When the oral history stuff is up on GHA's site, I'll take a stab at adding it. And thanks for offer of help on Black Forest. They're no longer in business but the horses they brought over constitute a large proportion of the foundation breed here in the US. Of the sources of horses imported, I'd guess the largest came in through them. And they're out of business now; don't want info lost. 174.254.148.110 (talk) 03:48, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Wow, forgotten how much I'd done.....

User: Djembayz got back to me with a problem I'd raised with {{Infobox Native American leader}} on Annie York and wow, has done some legwork in the archives of IPNA......I'd forgotten how extensive my survey of article names/status had been.... ] and he recommends I complete this one ] which he's started.....given JPL's comment about "Chippewa" vs "Ojibwe" on the St'at'imc CfD and the stupid comment on Talk:Thompson people he made, the need to formalize guidelines becomes more and more urgent to me.....I got a reply from the Attorney-General's orthographic/language specialist, she mostly refers me to the First People's Cultural Council citations I've already given; if you'd like to see the email, "email this user" to me and I'll forward it to you from my gmail. Waiting for Jan van Eijk to weigh in, if he does, but as I commented to Kwami, why should the opinion of a non-native scholar weigh more than citations from the people themselves? That he works for them, directly, and his cheques are issued by the St'at'imc Language Culture and Education Society, tells me pretty much what he'll say.....Skookum1 (talk) 04:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I've got a lot of irons in the fire at the moment, I'm supportive, but time-limited. Feel free to drop me a line, though if you want to discuss concerns off-wiki. Montanabw 17:55, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
I wound up posting it on the various discussions anyway, 's ok. I got to pull myself out of the maze of things that need doing or could be done in wikispace and though I will stick around for guideline discussions; the idea has come up before, though nothing made concrete, or no more effort was put in. I don't know if Djembayz is aware of those discussions ie. the RMs/CfDs; timely, if only synchronicity, though he/she may be. The links above are useful even if only just as a resource towards guidelines but somewhere in there may be the former discussions; I did those tables early on in my participation in NorthAmNative.....and most of the article/category infrastructure in BC and helped in those areas oo; same as in WP:Mountains, huge project (actually my original reason for coming here, from bivouac.com). But if I start going at working out all the intercomplicated FN categories in Ontario, for example, where there tends to be only one article for people/ reserve/government, some are written by one type of title, eg. as the IR, vs the Band or the ethno group; or as a place; and categories are layer-caked like a Vulcan chessboard. And it's a huge amount of articles; some need to be split, others merged, or redirects made into them....in the PacNW/BC area that division was necessary for various reasons, including multi-tribal bands and tribal councils, and sometimes more than one band is on the same reserve (same in BC and Colville; Grand Ronde is, too. And many bands and more than one tribal council, as with the Nlaka'pamux/Nicola (the Nicola are mostly Nlaka'pamux but with one Okanagan people (who are also members of the Okanagan National Alliance) or the Secwepemc or Sto:lo or Kwakwaka'wakw; it's way more complicated with the Straits Salish and those around the Gulf of Georgia, too. Anyways Ontario is really tangled; the work done on the Anishinaabe impresses me, somebody put a lot of work in there, seems a strong community effort. But all these RMs and such have taken away my focus from surviving in a foreign land; my wiki time I'm gonna have to seriously ration.....and beyond wikispace I can write without having people neutralize my use of language and demand cites for the impossible-to-find (or obvious). So no prob, the support is appreciated mucho, I think I've got the coffin nailed shut, but you know how admins are; unpredictable. I dislike Obi Wan's suggestion that the UN Dec thing suggests all should be put off until that is developed; maybe, but only if the unwarranted speedies are reversed, and I'm not sure that a global standard can be developed without reference to Canadian usages, that Canadian English in Canadian articles thing is very real for us (I gather you're American, and as you live - ? - in a border state you can probably appreciate the different context more than, say, a Southerner); all the wikilawyering is so tiring though; I do a lot of research to respond to the pack, as you know, you learn a lot along the way; and looking around the scope of FN/NA/indigenous space it's a formidable area to bring "systemic cogency" to (t coin a really weird post-music-session term); I'd rather have been writing articles when here; doing something constructive instead of having to be creatively defensive (and pithily as you know). Huge project, needs a team; Anishinaabe seems to have been done by many of their own peoples; certain other articles like Chipewyan people are clearly the result of native contributions, not just scholarly or hobby linguists/ethnos; certain others are like that. When I saw Carrier people converted to Dakelh years ago, and that category created, it was clearly the work of local contributors from those peoples (another area with two tribal councils, various independent bands, with one overlapping with the Gitxsan to the west, others allied with some of the Tsilhqot'in, who also have two tribal councils and various independent bands, and some overlap with the Secwepemc, and so on.....trying to sort out the eastern peoples and do all the IR stubs/redirects and splits and so on, new cats, getting cats organized and, er, names changed.....LOL I have a life to lead.....g'nite (2 am here).Skookum1 (talk) 18:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
A life off wiki? Amazing! Montanabw 18:57, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, got no safety net and no ticket home, trying to make the best of it, but it means my writing and thinking/energy has to be put on other topics, and without having to argue endlessly to do so...LOL. G'nite.
You could always just commit some misdemeanor minor enough to result in deportation instead of improsioment and get home for free! LOL! Montanabw 19:09, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

That's not what happens, and I don't want to come back. 57 and ticking...and got tunes to play and books to write; anything I could do back home for dough I'm doing here, and it's cheaper here and my old bones don't like the cold and wet and ice and such; oh pshaw 57 ain't old etc. It's about being alive....and doing what I can in the meantime. Oh, post edit-conflict coming:Skookum1 (talk) 19:23, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

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identification issue....

I have already been "outed" due to the Vancouver Sun article re Talk:Adrian Dix, and I've always had my real name on my userpage. But yes, stuff like what you removed I should have inboxed you via email....I'm pretty open now, unconcerned about maintaining an alias for anonymity reasons.Skookum1 (talk) 03:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

No prob; I like to err on the side of caution. I was outed once by a really weird, odd person who accused me of having a COI on the Arabian Horse Association article (what is it about horse people, some of us are just crazy!) and I managed to get it all oversighted. I don't go to extremes to keep my identity hidden, but I just prefer to keep a bit of an anonymity barrier on-wiki and not self-identify, though off-wiki there are probably a dozen or more wikipedians who know who I am and vice-versa. Montanabw 16:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Thing is I've used the same username for a long time before ever coming to Misplaced Pages, and "have a history" as a political blogger with Big Machine enemies (telling too much truth and always having a comeback or toothy question) and I had never mixed by literary or musical or acting career identity with that; the public outing of me in response to the Dix article did both bad and good; "they" now know who I am ("something's got to be done about this person, he's caused a lot of trouble for a lot of people" was very flattering to read in the Sun's comments, but also kinda worrisome, considering who "a lot of people" are....but at the same time, it won me applause and new friends and some respect amongst others who don't like "them".....I prefer to play my music and not engage in the argumentative nature of blogspace too much, and it's what will eventually drive me out of here again, I know. I'd rather think and write unfettered, and one reason I never went into journalism or my own blog is that I'd rather make some people dance than constantly be waging dialectic and derision because of politics. Politics makes people unhappy; you can't make everyone happy with music, but you can a lot of them; I'd rather make people dance than feel sad or angry.....but exposing my identity is a done deal now, and would have happened sooner or later. Won't hurt my music career, or acting or writing, if anything it might help it along some, if it ever gains momentum: I get attack comments now and then on youtube and such and learn to just ignore them. Different matter if I was in BC and there were axes grinding in the background.....and in terms of any funding for business or t he arts, if I ever did want any, there's baggage because of the way patronage and pork barrel are the reality in Canadian society. BTW I'm the opening scene in this; my resume's a bit larger than that, though it made me "Halifamous" (it was made in Halifax NS, aka Haliwood), but it's typical of the gentle giant being cast in a negative stereotype, even if it's schlock comedy. I may yet use Skookum1 or Skookum Mike or something of the kind as a stagename or alt-name as a player; acting is of less interest me, at least in parts written cartoon-style, more like I need to write scripts, whether in them or not....and all this UGC stuff I've done, including Misplaced Pages, takes away potential time for that; that's what I meant about having to withdraw; there are better ways to consume my energy than trying to.....correct bad mistakes in Misplaced Pages with long arduous processes that no matter how much sense you make can get overruled of spun out of control.....politics about the inane; I'd rather burn my hands up on my guitar and shake all the tension out of my body, instead of absorbing more....life is only so long huh?Skookum1 (talk) 16:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Always wise to take care of yourself. Politics can be ugly; I edit Montana political articles with considerable caution because for better or worse I actually know some of these people; we're a very small state. Montanabw 16:34, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
well, as I often remind my blogger friends who rail against criminal conduct by politicians, to heed that since they are criminals they can be expected to act like them too, and they have the power and money to do it from behind closed doors. And I know what you mean about coming from small places, I'm from Lillooet and Shalalth, after all; Ruskin where I'm also originally from, is even smaller.....and powers-that-be come in all kinds of sizes and shapes; and it's not always about politics, often it's family ties/influence, that you have to be wary of.... (BC politics is particularly toxic, but also compelling and very......interesting ain't the write word, maybe "complicatedly frustrating and unresolvable), Skookum1 (talk) 16:38, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I think it was Tip O'Neill who said "all politics is local." And you are dead right, it's often family or friendship ties that are at the root of political rot. Who went to college with whom or whose second cousin is the ex-wife of who's little brother often dictates the outcome of many things that it should not. Crony capitalism is not confined to the Americas, either. Montanabw 16:54, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
LOL, I'm in Asia, remember....LOL.Skookum1 (talk) 17:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Precisely. BC and MT pols are amateurs compared to there! LOL Montanabw 17:30, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Oxbow

Just to let you know: at 19.24 (GMT) on May 24 2013, Oxbow overtook Dawn Approach as the most wikipedia'd horse of his generation. Tigerboy1966  21:25, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Link to stats? And can youpop over there and help source the stuff CraigDuncan put in on his 2-year-old year? Montanabw 21:28, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Stats? well for the last year or so I have been maintaining User:Tigerboy1966/sandbox7 which is a table of the racehorses with the longest WP article by year of foaling. I use it to identify obvious gaps and horses whose articles need expansion. Just glancing at it now it raises questions like "Where the heck is Dr Fager?" I formatted it like a race results table just for fun, so don't pay too much attention to the "runners" column. I have been a bit hesitant about publicising this as it may be a borderline foul of WP:NOT. Sorry but I can't add anything to Oxbow's two-year-old season, the info looks like it's from DRF but I don't have access to those details. btw I read one very lengthy discussion on a blog which concluded that Oxbow's colour was a result of a "hidden gray" gene transmitted from his damsire. Gregor Mendel must be spinning in his grave!. Tigerboy1966  14:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Hidden gray? Oh, spinning indeed. I actually emailed Sponenberg on this, and his take was basically that it could be a "one off weird thing." Montanabw 20:07, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Longest, as in pure length or size of article? Montanabw 20:13, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

How were you able to transclude one article inside another article?

I noticed that you moved a template to an article, which somehow made it possible to transclude that article inside other articles, such as this one. Until now, I didn't realize that it was possible to transclude one article inside another article. Is it possible to transclude existing articles into other articles without moving the contents of a template into the article?

(Please leave a reply on my talk page so that I can see your reply to this message). Jarble (talk) 18:52, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I see the value of transclusion, and you probably have to have a template to do it, but here, my thinking is that the article is best, so that we don't have the entire lengthy section in every article, but rather the summary with a link to the longer, more detailed piece. I know that where there are transcluded sections on commons, it's a HUGE pain in the butt to change anything because you have to go to fiver or six different articles. Montanabw 20:10, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Horse pictures

Hi, Some of the sections in the horse article have no pictures, so i'm not sure if I understand what the rationale is for having no illustrations. Take, for example, the sections on pony and hooves. It's not like there was already a picture and then I added a redundant 2nd picture. There was and now is no pictures in many sections. What is your rationale for not having, to take an example, the hoof picture? Is there an unwritten rule that a GA should have only x number of pictures? The usual rule of thumb I have seen is people saying not more than one picture or media file per section, but in this case there are multiple un-illustrated sections. OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 15:52, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Take it to the talk page of horse. The big thing is that these higher-quality articles need discussion before making changes or else we risk them being ade subject to a review and possible loss of status as a GA or FA. However, reason number one you were reverted is that each of these sections goes to a related article that has plenty of images. Reason number two is that formatting considerations require that we keep images to a manageable number that will look good in the layout without things sandwiching text, stacking and spilling over into subsequent sections, and so on. Reason number three (and this is a big one) is that when you get into GA and FA-quality articles, the images themselves must have correct licensing, and reviewing that is a time-consuming part of the review, with any images having questionable licensing needing to be tossed if we can't straighten that out. When we took this article to GA, we had to toss a LOT of images for these reasons, and what survived passes all criteria. Doesn't mean we don't have room for maybe one or two more images in certain locations, but not the half-dozen you put in. Montanabw 16:20, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Ugh...

Just found NorthAmerican Sportpony. None of the independent references even mention the breed. What do you think - merge someplace? Prod? We really should have a "minor breeds of the US" article where all of these hobby crossbreds with one paragraph in some random breed encyclopedia can go... Dana boomer (talk) 12:15, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I like the term "hobby crossbreds" - if only it weren't OR to call them that (oh well, maybe do it anyway and proceed until apprehended. Ever notice that out in the eal work, more and more people are - correctly - describing gaited horses as having "ambling" gaits? Bwahahaa....) I'll go put on my "bitch hat" and be the evil tag monster. Montanabw 17:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Oxbow GA

Happy to take a look, even though THE big weekend for flat-racing in Britain is almost upon us. One worry I have is that GA's do have to be stable: I don't see any major disputes or edit-wars but the article has developed rapidly and may well continue to do so.  Tigerboy1966  22:27, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Other than the horse is apt to run in a few more races this year, barring some major development, I don't see much more than adding a couple more paragraphs to the history and updating the list; we took Shackleford (horse) to GA by August of that year; I figure we'll be past the Belmont by the time we get a GA reviewer, given the backlog, so I'm not fretting too bad, I mostly want it GA-class before the Belmont, as that's when it's apt to get the most views. (Probably need to upgrade the article on Orb also, but like you, I only have so much time...) Montanabw 22:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

(Moved GAN comment to talk page of article) Montanabw 00:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Revert on Rangeland article

I'm not clear as to which part of my edit to rangeland you disagreed with. I don't really see a compelling reason to give North America its own special section, seeing as there's nothing special about its rangelands. Even "North America" is not a great title for the section, as it seems to ignore all of Central America. I really feel that it seems out of place to have a section dedicated to North America, then another for the rest of the world.

However, it may have been a bit heavy-handed for me to simply delete the listing of rangeland types. I am guessing this was more the issue? Unfortunately, rangeland classifications aren't delineated by the border, and it doesn't like it would be straightforward to inline the lists (currently sections 2.3 and 2.4) inside the USA and Canada sections. I was thinking that, considering WP:USEPROSE, it might be best to axe those lists entirely. Joe Schmedley 07:18, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Take it to the talk page of the article. As for "rangeland in Central America," I seriously doubt there really is any; Mexico, after all, is part of North America. Montanabw 15:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm Semi-Back

At least for the little bit I can do with my other commitments. Thanks for watching Adoptive Couple, I appreciate it. GregJackP Boomer! 00:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

kind of a horsey subject for you....

I was looking through Scholefield & Howay's British Columbia: From the Earliest Times to the Present to try to locate a passage I know is somewhere in Howay's writings about the struggle for domination of the steamboat trade on the lower Fraser in the days of the colony re the Steamboats of the Lower Fraser River and Harrison Lake article and its attendant CfD (which was spurious and will fail; see my comments there as to why) and came across a passage/topic which may interest you - Expressman though the title of a needed article should maybe be Expressmen; that should certainly be the name of any category attached to this subject. Private post/freight is what the term refers to, and in BC were an amazing class of individual. Anyways if the names Billy Ballou and Wells Fargo & Co. resonate with you, horse-drawn freight and stages, here is the start of the "Expressmen" chapter in Howay & Scholefield. Can't remember if I or another editor started the Gold Express article; oh that didn't get started; there might be a section already in Cariboo Gold Rush or Cariboo Road I think. I'm going back to my looking for steamboat politics, but have a read; there's other sources for this near-vanished service; now known as a courier service I think; but these guys were much more than couriers.Skookum1 (talk) 11:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Fascinating topic. If you decide to create the article, I'd be glad to give it a look-over and at least minor assistance. People don't know too much about the "wild west" in Canada. Montanabw 15:23, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
As with the Steamboats article, which originally I'd planned on starting myself, on that topic my time is spent building a page for that on my own website, where I don't have to hear quibbles about wording and citations from people who don't know the subject matter; I'm only going to keep an eye on it, and fix it up when I've got time.....the narrative I would have written is off the rails with the way it is now; an earnest effort but scattered and without the proper political and economic context.....the AfD'ing editor was way out of line IMO, however.....it's such a notable topic in BC history it's ridiculous to have it called "fringe" and non-notable by someone who clearly doesn't know BC history...the Expressmen item I may start; some of the figures mentioned such as Stephen Tingley and Frank Barnard already have articles, both of which have yet lots that could augment them; my energies here get taken up defending things that should never have been assaulted by the un-knowing and heedless who'd do better learning about the subjects and making the articles better, or realizing that the names are just fine, it's content that needs work. So I wind up in talk pages and on procedural matters and much of my time for writing is taken up by nonsense, which is why I want to write untrammeled by the constraints of this place......Expressmen and the Gold Escort I meant to write over four years ago.....Gold Commissioner is underwritten for example, though I did at least start it...(they were one-man regional governments embodying all the powers of the Crown). There's also a period in BC history where horse-racing was the number-one sport above all others, and major races with huge purses were held in Cariboo and Okanagan towns, also in my hometown of Lillooet; famous breeding ranches etc.....just in that one department there's lots to be written.....problem is finding people who take the time to read the sources and look for more, rather than just adding citation templates and moving on to the next template placement.....or taking up time with needless AfDs etc....Tingley's quite the character, so was Frank Barnard; modern BC histories write about groups, generally by race, in reality it was a history of striking individuals such as those two, and in some ways still is; it's very different from other Canadian provinces. One book you can find online in Mark Sweeten Wade's The Thompson Country which is linked on that page in web-book format (very cool, actually); the companion piece The Cariboo Road is not on line like the other one, but is a great read.....much of it is replicated in Robin Skeltons This Is Cariboo!, which is a bit easier to order online while the Cariboo Road one is out of print for many years and kinda rare (and therefore generally expensive when it does turn up). I'll let you know if I start the Expressmen article or the Gold Escort one....William Ballou figures also in California history, I t hink he may be written up in Bancroft, who is one line thanks to the University of California's archival website, but Bancroft is extremely prolific, I've never had a chance to read all of him....Skookum1 (talk) 16:07, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

need photo from Billings.....

don't know where in Montana you are; this is a Good Article in WP Hotels classification, short though it is, even though it doesn't have a photo.....if yo'ure nowhere near Billing but know someone there hint hint.......there are no featured articles in WP Hotels, very surprisingly none of the great Canadian railway hotels are, and many are start class or have advert, even unreferenced tags......weird, given their significance in our national history/iconography. I guess people are too busy doing CfDs and templates fiddling to care....Skookum1 (talk) 03:59, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I'd post at the talk on Billings, Montana. I'm not close enough to just pop over there and take one on a day trip, though I do get there on occasion. I think a couple editors there are actually in Billings. I'll also check commons for pics. Montanabw 15:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC) Follow up -- found one of the Northern at commons and added it to article; actually are a couple other shots of it in some skyline images too. I've sort of got other projects on my front burner right now, but good tip about an area that is sorely neglected. I helped work on Hotel Baxter a while back. Montanabw 15:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Excellent....would be nice to see one of the pre-fire building built in 1904, too....maybe the civic museum or historical association might have one.....is there an online archive of photos for Montana like there is for many other places?Skookum1 (talk) 16:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't think free of copyright for commons purposes; there are a lot of photos of Montana on commons, though. Just have to dig. Montanabw 18:26, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
BTW see the latest edit/edition on my userpage, I added links to some sandboxes I made a while back with resource materials of various kinds.Skookum1 (talk) 16:30, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Oxbow (horse)

This is the kind of article I'd give serious consideration to taking straight to FAC. The problem with GAN is that you get pumped up to finish something and then you have to wait two months for a reviewer, so the energy dissipates. Your choice though of course. Eric Corbett 00:08, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

My main concern is that an FAC reviewer might want "the rest of the story..." the horse is yet to run in a couple big summer races and the Breeder's Cup in November, then the Eclipse Awards. GA should be easy, but FAC may not be "ripe" yet... partly because there will be more to add, it's "stable" (pun intended) enough for GA, but notsure if FA will agree. Thoughts? Montanabw 00:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
There will be more to add until the horse dies, just as there will be more to add about Obama until he dies, so I don't see the difference. I don't think the article is actually stable enough yet for either FAC or GAN as we speak, but I'm sure it soon will be. What's to lose by going straight for FAC? Eric Corbett 00:40, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
IF GAR takes forever, it should be fine by the time a reviewer shows up 1) I've never done a run straight to FA, so that's scary. 2) I've recently pissed off Nikkimaria in the infobox wars, and she haunts FAC. You know I run with the QAI crowd and everyone is entitled to my opinion (LOL)... 3) I like the GA gauntlet as a peer review that counts for something more than a peer review and gives me a pretty prize. Montanabw 00:45, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I've had a lot of dealings with Nikki and she's just not the type to hold a grudge. She'll evaluate your article based on its merits, not on what side of the infobox wars you're on (which, I might point out, is a really stupid war to get dragged into... you're smarter than that!) Ealdgyth - Talk 00:52, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I used to think Nikki was OK, but the way she's recently stalking one user that I really respect and reverting her across multiple articles is more the problem than the content at issue. It's not so much the collapsing infoboxes, it's the collapsing of just a couple lines of text to be WP:POINT-y. I stand up for my friends and if they're in a dogfight, I try to be supportive. At least, for a while. Sometimes there is no end to the drahmahz, though. Sigh... Montanabw 15:42, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I agree. In fact I've got an FAC up now with that once controversial partially collapsed infobox if any of you horsey types are also interested in cars, which hasn't raised a murmur (about the infobox I mean). Eric Corbett 01:04, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I can take a look. I know relatively little about cars beyond the need to change the oil and rotate the tires. (And I pay the nice man to do that) so that should make me a good reviewer! LOL! Montanabw 15:42, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Just about as good as me with horses then. Eric Corbett 15:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I've been through the whole article now and I hope I've lived up to your billing as the reviewer from Hell. Can't see you having too many problems with this at GAN if that's the route you decide to take. Eric Corbett 23:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Nah, you were a pussycat. LOL! But if a troll shows up at GAN or FAC, I'll be calling on you! Montanabw 23:58, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Tennessee Walking Horse

Passed GA. Excellent work there MTBW and Dana! PumpkinSky talk 23:37, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Norma Ashby

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Oxbow (horse)

I saw some talk-page traffic suggesting you might appreciate a review of this article before you go to GAN with it? I'll happily do that if you like, just leave me a note. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:08, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure! I had a couple non-horsey people look at it and help us clean up stuff that got to jargon-y, if you want to pop over and provide further thoughts, be my guest! Montanabw 22:15, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I think I'm 50/50 horsey, non-horsey these days. I'm also going to fix up your table which isn't really that sortable (did you try sorting by race length for instance!) and do some WP:ACCESS stuff which, while unfashionable, shouldn't degrade the look of it too much. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:19, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your help! I think that the tables are usually just chronological in the WP Horse racing articles, though I suppose it doesn't matter if chronological is the default... I'm no good at table syntax. Montanabw 22:23, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
No problem. It's not the order, it's the fact you have it sortable, but most of the columns don't sort correctly. I'll fix that, no problem. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:24, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Might be worth adding "Head" (as a winning margin) to North American Thoroughbred horse racing terminology and then linking it (for the non-horsey crew). The Rambling Man (talk) 14:22, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I fiddled with some of the refs (at the least tried to make them consistent, just in case you're considering FAC), and left some questions/comments on the talk page. Hope it's not too inconvenient. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:29, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I'll go peek. Thanks. Montanabw 16:02, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Oxbow (horse)

Oxbow and Paynter

Once I get an article to GA I tend to say "my work here is done", so I have no experience on FA status. The Oxbow article is pretty astonishing, given its recent origins. As I mentioned before, the stability thing is my only worry: it could end up as fantastically detailed account of the horse's early career followed by "uuuh and he ran in a bunch of other races too", but I don't think you'll let that happen. I've put a couple of news stories into the Paynter sandbox. There could be DYK potential in the fact that he was originally named MC's Dream and that he won the Vox Populi award. Boringly, I have to report that after much study of the photographic evidence, Paynter is definitely a bay. Tigerboy1966  11:56, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

LOL! Bays are my personal favorites, actually! Montanabw 16:02, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Croton Aqueduct

I put some of my ruminations on the subject on User talk:Bishonen as well. Since you seem to be among those more convinced that Curb Chain was doing something fishy, perhaps you should file SPI while those IP edits haven't gone stale. The same kind of activity has continued from that IP range even after that Aqueduct incident. 86.121.18.17 (talk) 13:33, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

The IP edits I was concerned about are stale, but if you have new ones, shoot me diffs and I'll look. That said, I am pretty busy the next couple days, so may not be prompt in addressing this issue. Montanabw 16:03, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Hehe. Nobody wants to hold the baby! You have mail. Bishonen | talk 16:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC).
Can't the ankle-biter do it?? Montanabw 17:01, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't want to beat this issue to death anymore than it's already been discussed here, but I did note that when a very similar issue was recently raised here that the first person that chimed in was, surprise, surprise, Curb Chain! Maybe there's something to all this after all...I dunno. Edit warring over spaces in Misplaced Pages articles seems like the definition is pointless to me. If someone files an SPI on all this, I'll promise to look at it & help out with added commentary if I can. Guy1890 (talk) 20:52, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Oh, there's a lot of "there" there. The problem is, I don't have the energy for a lot of drahmahz right now, so my take is slap on a block, start establishing a record and we shall see what shakes out from there. Montanabw 21:14, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I understand being at your limit with Misplaced Pages drama. I also agree that neither a topic ban or a (likely short) block will solve the long-term issues that are in play with CC, but I guess it's better than nothing. If anything, the next time someone has a problem with CC (and they'll likely be a next time for sure IMHO), more can be done then. Happy trails... Guy1890 (talk) 00:26, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
IF CC is the returned user I think CC is, even a short block may result in vanishing and reappearing six months later under a new name, and possibly even good behavior for another six months with a new identity. Ya never know. Montanabw 00:38, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
IP, CheckUsers will not publicly tie a registered account to an IP...except for special cases; see Misplaced Pages:CheckUser#IP information disclosure. Flyer22 (talk) 16:26, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I've got my popcorn out, will keep an eye on the show. Montanabw 01:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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