Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 19:08, 26 June 2013

Welcome to my talkpage

Let's talk. I'm Michael. If you have any query feel free to post it on this talk page.

Date: Thursday, January 23. Time: 15 hrs 32 min(s) 19 second(s) (UTC)

Just so you know

Lately, I have not been around here a lot, but I am commenting here to register my disagreement about the way the situation has been handled during the past few days. You are a fantastic editor, and I can state that based on my past collaboration with you on numerous topics. I am frankly disappointed seeing all this. Bans and blocks seem to be flying too quickly here. I just hope that cooler heads prevail, and you are given a patient hearing. I can only imagine what would be going through your mind right now, but I do hope that you can remain calm and cool during all this, and not get into a funny mood yourself. :P Best, Anir1uph | talk | contrib 13:01, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, the ban is the worst of all the things that have happened to me on Misplaced Pages. I think until and unless Misplaced Pages incorporates some kind of effective and quick deterrence against patent abuse of Admin privileges among other things, nobody can be editing without redundant and unhelpful apprehensions about retribution from an offended admin. Just to clarify, I am NOT trying to imply that this has happened to me, no, all I am saying is there is a possibility. Mr T 16:33, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages seems to be getting worse and worse day by day. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ 07:33, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages — if this is allowed to continue — will one day get reduced to nothing but a haphazard accumulation of separate fiefdoms under administrators and bureaucrats. In those fiefdoms their intemperate biases and political propaganda will rule the roost. Exceptions are becoming the rules here and that's where our project is headed. Mr T 07:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I find it surprising that paid editors are not being doubted, whereas a trusted user is being topic-banned. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ 07:47, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I am astonished too. The inaction and apathy of Mr. Jimbo wales is to blame for this. I have, in recent past, tried to bring this issue to his attention, but he didn't even deign to provide a response, he doesn't care to descend from the mighty throne to mingle with a commoner like me. Let's see what happens. Mr T 07:58, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Have a look at this. Its a good bog about Misplaced Pages's black side. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ 08:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hang in there mate. Irondome (talk) 16:46, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your signature

Hello, I must sadly point out your signature is in violation of WP:CUSTOMSIG, I'm counting 355 characters in your signature, and the maximum allowed number of characters are 255 (which is what the software truncates when input in the signature box) As I assume you use substitution of template when you are signing, which is permissible, but highly discourage WP:SIG#NT. Please make sure your signature is reduced in length. _→AzaToth 15:30, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the Section new link, I cant see any "clear box" anywhere, thus without having to enter section=new in the url, I can't make a new section here, which in my opinion is not a good tactic to allow people to post on your talkpage. _→AzaToth 15:42, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Sir, I will truncate it in a day. Is that okay? So far nobody has complained about the length of my signature. I don't remember interacting with you ever. Is there anything else I can help you with?
Please do not fiddle with my code, if you have a request, suggestion kindly state it here but don't change the codes unilaterally. There is a box above that allows for commenting (″post a new comment on my talk page″), I am not stopping anybody from commenting. I welcome comments. I am very agitated, please understand. Can it not wait? Please Mr T 15:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

If you promise to truncate it in a day or so, that fine, just wanted to avoid problem following the discussion on WP:ANI due to your signature breaking two lines (which also gives undue exposure to your additions relative others). Also I cannot find a "post a new comment on my talk page" link or form anywhere on your talk page, perhaps I'm blind. _→AzaToth 15:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Thank you sir. I have, in good faith, left a comment here asking about the length of my signature. I hope you don't mind? I need to be informed about everything, because I run a risk of being blocked on any pretext. Mr T 16:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

"Also I cannot find a "post a new comment on my talk page" link or form anywhere on your talk page" - really? No it's my bad-luck. My life is bounded by Finagle's Law. Mr T 16:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

People should not have to learn each time how to use every individual user's talk page. Why do you force them? How does that help in encyclopaedia-building-related cooperation? Keφr 16:04, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

And lest we forget: this is not your code. WP:UP#OWN states that "ages in user space belong to the wider community. They are not a personal homepage, and do not belong to the user. They are part of Misplaced Pages, and exist to make collaboration among editors easier." Making collaboration harder goes against their purpose. Keφr 04:44, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

• Congrats Mr. T! Whatever be the reason you at least got a different admin talking this time. You should go and spread some wikiloves and throw away barnstars maybe and then no one would bother even if you have an .exe file in your signature. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:11, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Just so ya know...

(✉→BWilkins←✎) 16:31, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Re. my request to rephrase your appeal

First of all, I apologise for my tardiness in replying, but I've been kept away from my computer... However, the parts of your appeal that I consider attacks and assumptions of bad faith are mainly concentrated in your "context" part; more to the point, I'm referring mainly these two sentences: user Darkness Shines is pushing an obnoxious agenda in each one of them & Now, it's no secret that because of some recent changes in his proclivities he has managed to garner a few hardcore sympathizers who would want to see an exclusive and utterly one-sided focus on only anti-Muslim violence in India, who incessantly strive to blindly label every anti-Muslim violence in India as "pogrom". In these you accuse DS of pushing an "obnoxious agenda" and unnamed others to connive with him. Other parts that you might want to rephrase or remove are (even the extra-scrupulous Darkness Shines let it stay) (why are you singling him out?) and ban me based on a subjective pretext (here it's the word "pretext", which is an assumption of bad faith, because it implies that FPaS was acting with a different intent than the one he stated, which is the protection of the encyclopaedia). These last two examples are minor, but the first ones, in my opinion, are not. Salvio 16:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, sorry for a delayed response. I will rephrase. Mr T 06:52, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Salvio did you see the sweeping comment from "Boing! said Zebedee" "editors who take part are entrenched nationalist and/or political POV-pushers, on both sides" or is it just me who should assume good faith everywhere? Mr T 07:16, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that might indeed have been worded better (though I admit that, unfortunately, there really are editors who are entrenched nationalists and/or political POV-pushers), but that's what I'd define as "quibble". I understand you're angry now; however, your original appeal, in my opinion, contained worse attacks and assumptions of bad faith (not to mention that you had already been asked by another admin to tone down your comments about DS). Salvio 09:59, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment

So far only one edit has been raised as justification of my ban. I have not seen any other edit (except "Minorities of Pakistan" which I already left because of personal fear).

1. That edit was sourced.
2. I didn't misrepresent the claim/quotes, it clearly says "Pak flag was hoisted after Godhra carnage: witness" and also mentions the remarks by Bharatiya Janata Party member and municipal corporator, Ashok patel, a witness DEPOSING before the investigative commission inquiring about the riots of 2002. We should not sit on judgement on whether an witness is telling the truth or not. That's not our job. If the reliable sources mentioned it ought to be included.
3. Only one issue about that good-faith edit might be that I, perhaps, miscalculated the weight of that statement. There was no discussion after that, I was directly banned!

May I know what the issue was? Please comment and keep it ordered. You can comment here, albeit there is a similar request on the ANI currently. Does this merit a ban? Mr T 14:54, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

• No: Per this Yogesh Khandke (talk) 06:03, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

However for the time being it would help per Dusti if you stayed away from trouble, give yourself a 1R ban, stop commenting about DS, and enjoy the other parts of Misplaced Pages, I've created article stubs on tiny American rivers. Enjoy Misplaced Pages don't let it stress you. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 06:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Discussion/Suggestion

• TLDR - let's give a big all I don't care! :) - here's why - it doesn't matter. You need to be adopted by someone with the patience of the Virgin Mary, and you need to keep your head down low, and you need to keep yourself out of trouble. If I had the power, I'd topic ban you from anything besides puppies and bunnies (cause let's admit it, they're cute), and I'd ensure you'd never see the light of controversyagain. Here's your downfall - your fault... You care too much . You are about what others think, you care about the small things, you care about things that (in the grand scheme of things) don't matter. What's your ultimate goal? Here. What do you want to accomplish here? Do you want to become an admin? A 'crat? Create a ton of DIY's? What actually matters to You? Dusti 06:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Did you just say "it doesn't matter"??

Little things? Last time I checked 2002 Gujarat Violence was not listed anywhere as a "little thing". You want to topic ban me from anything besides puppies and bunnies? You know what? I don't think my invitation to you (below) was such a great idea. Your comment greatly bothers me. You shouldn't belittle what other people genuinely care about. Mr T 06:22, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

You're not reading what I wrote Mr. T - please go back and read again. You're taking what was said as something meant to be encouraging and turning it into a negative. Do you honestly think I would topic ban you to puppies and bunnies? You're missing the point m'dear. Go back and read it again, this time slowly. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Dusti 06:25, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

"do not collect $200." - what on earth are you talking about? Mr T 06:31, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Mr. T you'r making yourself unhappier, you are a great contributor, see you just proved Dusti right about the biting part. Relax. Six month would fly, (in case you don't contest the ban), Misplaced Pages is a big place, your ban area India-Pakistan politics is tiny, you could cleanup all the big and small towns of India, they're in a mess, this suggestion comes from someone who is under a topic ban so I know what I'm talking about. Cheers! Yogesh Khandke (talk) 06:34, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Do not collect $200 or Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 09:08, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

<outdent> You're obviously not understanding what I'm getting at. What I'm telling you is simply this - You've got to figure out what actually matters. You're getting upset with me for giving you advice. The above is excellent advice (if I may say so myself). If you get upset with me for (jokingly) saying you should be topic banned to only discussing bunnies and puppies and staying away from controversial edits - there's something wrong. This simply goes to show you what's happening. You're getting upset over something that doesn't exist. There's no problem above. I asked you a question - what really matters to you? What's your goal here. On the more serious note, this little edit is crap. It's as if you're saying that I'm bullying you and you're asking Jimbo why is he allowing it. I'm trying to help you. Me saying you care too much about the little things says a boatload about my intentions. I don't even know why I'm writing here trying to help you. I don't know why I care. Hell, I should be off writing about those puppies and bunnies right now. Do you want my help, or not? Dusti 06:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

And (for what it's worth) - I'm attempting to keep your ass out of hot water. Let's cool things down a bit, shall we? Dusti 06:42, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Aaaand you've got it. I'm done. I tried to help, yet you can't distinguish between the difference of someone trying to help you and someone that's an enemy. Good luck. Dusti 06:49, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

(One last thing - since you may not have caught on) I was closing the conversations so what is done is done (You're not currently blocked) and you could Save face in this issue. But you couldn't leave well enough alone, and you've got to keep pouring gas on the fire. That, my friend, is where I was trying to help you. The advice, the closing of the discussions, etc. - Now I shall go, and let you clean up your own mess. Dusti 06:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Firstly, I am tremendously shocked right now, for all that is happening, I learnt a dreadful lesson recently. Also I like being neither ventriloquized nor misconstrued, Sir/Ma'am. Please I didn't say you're bullying me anywhere, did I? I am in no mood to be decrypting allegories/metaphors. What hot water?
Secondly, I specifically asked you to comment about the edit. That actually would have really helped me a great deal. You didn't. You didn't even read it.
Thirdly, you're asking me to accept the blame for something I didn't do. That's why I am unsure if your methods will actually help me or not. You're not saying something in my defense, you're not even trying to show me how to appeal this hegemonic and utterly unilateral ban from a seemingly involved editor who, for mysterious trepidations, won't ban the other guy. AGF has its limits, you know? I don't need your tutelage if all you can do is condition me to behave meekly and submissively. I'd rather stay banned and edit only my talk or leave Misplaced Pages than bearing this nonsense with humility. Mr T 06:59, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I'd expressed exactly the same ideas, "I'd rather stay banned and edit only my talk or leave Misplaced Pages than bearing this nonsense with humility." You could see my ban discussion. Trust me the world is not exactly what we imagine it to be, it is in shades and not black and white. "They're still there he's all gone" comes to my mind. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 07:16, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Let them stay here. It's not solely my responsibility. I was wasting my time on a lost cause. Nobody can save[REDACTED] if this continues, more Qwortys and Jagged 85s will come and the cabal will guard them while blocking those who actually want to work towards a balance and uncover the guile.
There was nothing majorly wrong with my edit apart from a probability of miscalculation of the weight. Period!
But, I am banned now, and there is no pride in playing a RIGGED game. I am rightfully angry. I am not the first nor am I going to be the last. I am just an accidental drop in an ocean filled with despondency and outright deceit. Assuming Good Faith is like turning the blind eye towards blatant abuses of others, it's masochistic. Mr. Wales's colossal apathy will sooner or later cost him greatly, if he doesn't do anything to address the issues.
There is no way in hell I am going to cooperate with people who sanctimoniously ″advise″ me to meekly accept disingenuous POV-accusations as though that was the righteous thing to do. If this is what Misplaced Pages is all about then I don't belong here. I am too idealistic, perhaps "the others" will disagree. You know what the worst thing is, even if I am unbanned now it won't matter. I alone can do nothing to stop that coalition of cabals who really are dedicated to pushing POVs with the imprimatur of their Admin/Bureaucrat pals.
It should be "Welcome to Misplaced Pages, the 💕 that anyone can edit but ... if you go against the major biases the hive-mind will eliminate you".
If the general thinking doesn't shift away from nonsensical assumptions Misplaced Pages is gone! One should know when to leave the party. What people don't learn is that the problem with false, comforting assertions is that in the end game you WILL pay for it. "The path to hell is paved with good intentions" Mr T 07:49, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

You check this please. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 08:02, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Here's some advice

I know that you're a passionate editor, it shows in your work, contributions, and in your style of writing. Here's what you have to remember - stop biting people in your threads. Stop attacking everyone who speaks to you. We're not all out to get you - trust me, we really aren't. I closed your thread on Jimbo's talk page because I know what you're after, and it wasn't going in that direction. You need to take a few moments, find the red X in the upper right hand corner of your screen, and take some time to cool off. Walk away. It's a much stronger message then getting yourself blocked over nonsense. If you need a mentor or want someone to guide you, you can post a message on my talk page. Dusti 22:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

• As Dusti said, you're being your own worst enemy here. See Misplaced Pages:Please be a giant dick, so we can ban you. 86.121.18.17 (talk) 04:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

You closed the ANI-thread also? Probably for the best. Dusti, would you be so kind as to commenting on the thread immediately above this one? I would obviously like to discuss with you some things. If you are open to this kindly respond above. Mr T 05:10, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

shahid m malik is my page on[REDACTED] someone messed around and chagned many things on my page i want to correct it but dont know how to do it please help

shahid m malik is my page on[REDACTED] someone messed around and chagned many things on my page i want to correct it but dont know how to do it please help