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Goh YiLing

Hello, Just wondering. Why did you delete the page before the dateline 10 october? I believe that more sources would have been added to it. Could you undo the page so that sources can be added? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Summergirl999 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I deleted because there was a clear consensus to do so. Can you offer any new reliable sources that demonstrate notability. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:13, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I see. I thought that sources have to added before 10 october as stated before the page could be deleted? Why was it deleted before that? Just wondering, how is consensus based on? Is it based on the number of people against or supporting it ? Cos it's quite hard to tell how many accounts a certain person has created.

Yes, I have notable sources to back it up. I noted that the previous one only had one source so it is not reliable. Could you undo it so that I may add more sources? It would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help. Do allow the addition of sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hastywarrior123 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh yes, the new page that has been created was contested for speedy deletion although it has notable sources now. Could you undo that? For both the sources as the new one has reliable sources so I do not know why it has been marked under deletion. Please address. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hastywarrior123 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

First, please only use one account. If you use multiple accounts, you may be blocked for sockpupptry (WP:SOCK). Second, there was a consensus to delete the article and the participants used reasonable arguements, so I deleted it. Deletion discussion run seven days usually. If you disagree with the discussion you have to contest it at WP:DRV. You can't just restore the article. We need to see significant coverage, see WP:GNG. Merely having sources isn't enough, there has to be significant coverage. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, why was the page being deleted? I noted that the page was deleted only after 5 days because it is 7 days usually. Please assist. The person was awarded with an award known internationally in asia. Why is there no significant coverage. Please undo. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hastywarrior123 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure why there is no significant coverage in this case, but if there isn't, we can't have an article on her. Which award did she win? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:55, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mark. Given what's happening at the article I've requested page protection, and deletion with a serving of salt. JNW (talk) 16:55, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Mark, I have deleted YiLing Goh per WP:CSD#G4. You can check it and restore/userfy if you disagree, but the "extra refs" were her Facebook page and two which as far as I could see didn't mention her, and there were claims of one minor title and various runner-up/finalist results; I saw nothing there which overcame the conclusions of the AfD, or made a second AfD anything but a waste of time. JohnCD (talk) 17:12, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot JNW and John. I've opened a relevant SPI at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Immaculatefancy. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:15, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Mark and John. I can add two cents to the SPI, but think it would be gratuitous. The closing administrator will be able to discern the merits of the report. Cheers, JNW (talk) 17:22, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Ayn Rand

The changes by Miles Money should be reverted as that specific phrase is under an RfC which he is participating. He has basically had you protect his preferred version and he actions directly work against WP norms and procedures folling RfC's. Arzel (talk) 17:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I usually try to avoid reverting to a specific version after protecting unless there's a clear consensus supporting it. Do you think that's the case here? I can look into it more. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:56, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm actually not a big fan of the version you froze it to, but almost any qualifier is better than the bare term, which is inaccurate. As for consensus, the problem we're having is that Rand is very popular, which is to say she has many fans who are apparently more interested in the article making her look perfect than being accurate. We're flooded with these POV-pushers who are ignoring both policy and our sources. MilesMoney (talk) 18:56, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

What a load of BS. The version frozen definately does not have any concensus regardless of the lack of good faith illustrated by MM. Arzel (talk) 20:42, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd need to use the fingers of both hands to count up all the behavioral policies you just violated here, but the most basic problem is that what you said isn't accurate. MilesMoney (talk) 01:08, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Please see WP:BLUDGEON. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:55, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

This is the second time that I see the Ayn Rand article is locked with a POV characterization for a month, I know it is not an endorsement, I don't ask this time to be locked with the NPOV description without adjectives but at least there should be a dispute-inline on the "untrained" characterization which is disputed in the talk page. Could you add it until we resolve this issue? --DagonAmigaOS (talk) 17:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I didn't actually want it to say "untrained"; it was a compromise that I attempted, but it pleases nobody. However, we can't just remove the qualifier so that it sounds as if Rand was a regular philosopher. MilesMoney (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I honestly don't know what to do here. I suggest asking another admin for a second opinion. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:55, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Mark, I'm not sure if you saw, but there's an RFC here discussing the issue specifically. It's due to close in about 2 days, so perhaps your best past forward might be to do nothing for that time, close the RfC, then do whatever is needed to the article (if anything) to reflect the close. (In any case, I think an uninvolved admin will be needed to close that RfC, and I think most would agree that you fit the bill :-P ~Adjwilley (talk) 21:55, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, that is good advice. I'll probably unprotect when the Rfc closes to implement the consensus over the current version, which no one seems to like. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Problem is that there's a non-consensus majority that's going to edit-war to remove all qualifiers. The RFC is invalid due to the dishonest opening statement, and there hasn't been a single persuasive argument for why we should ignore our best sources. MilesMoney (talk) 00:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Interesting. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:19, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Very! MilesMoney (talk) 03:37, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I guess I was wrong about the 7 days to close an RfC, though an argument could be made for closing it earlier than that. (30 days is a long time to have the article locked down.) Perhaps you'd be willing to intervene a bit at Murray Rothbard‎‎. I had previously protected the article for edit warring, and there's another request for intervention on my talk page, but I'd rather not take any action myself because I currently have a SPI open on one of the recent participants, and would rather not get any more involved at the moment. (Or feel free to do nothing and somebody will probably make a request at RPP or something...up to you.) Thanks ~Adjwilley (talk) 16:48, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, looks like protection is definitely merited on Rothbard. These libertarian articles are become such hotbeds of conflict lately. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:20, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Just a helpful suggestion: Instead of protecting it, you could ask Rich and Bink to stop edit-warring. Or even block them. MilesMoney (talk) 23:10, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

No one broke 3RR, so I'm very hesitant to block in that situation. User:Srich32977 came the closest, I suppose, making 3 reverts on two separate days this week on the article. Hopefully he will stay further from the line in the future. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:21, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

No one has to. WP:3RR states:

"While any edit warring may lead to sanctions, there is a bright-line rule called the three-revert rule (3RR), the violation of which often leads to a block."

You would clearly be within your rights as an admin in blocking Srich32977 for tiptoeing near the bright line. Barring that, absolutely no one would question it if you gave Srich32977 an official warning reminding him that he's not entitled to edit-war slowly. Would he listen? We can hope so. But if he doesn't, then he can't claim to be surprised by the block. I'd sooner dissuade him than block him, but I'm pretty sure blocking would reliably dissuade him.

Now, I'm going to stop telling you how to do your job and go back to doing mine. Carry on, good sir. :-) MilesMoney (talk) 02:00, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Factors involved in decision

Hello, Mark

I was hoping you could explain something to me. I am curious; what exactly made you come up with this decision?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 03:16, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, this is a bit of a difficult Afd to close. Some of the Keep !votes certainly were fairly week, though they had a clear numerical advantage. The delete !votes were pretty consistent in saying that it failed the guideline on not publishing changelogs, but several keep !votes disputed this, arguing that it was or had the potential to be more than just a changelog article. It's difficult for me to say which side is right about its changelog-ness because I'm supposed to close based on consensus rather than my own opinion. Looking over it again though, it seems more like a "no consensus" close than a "Keep" close. I'll adjust my closing comment to reflect that. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:29, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi.

Thanks for clarification. It is a sound explanation, one that can impact the article and its future. Could you please add it in front of your decision in the deletion discussion?

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 03:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Megan Young New Section

Hi Mark. I would like to ask your opinion if I can add a section for Megan Young's article about her stint in Miss World Philippines 2013. I hope I can hear from you soon.

greenmarktea78 07:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marktanoja78 (talk • contribs)

Yes, you're free to do so. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Ross Hill18:29 30 Sep 2013 (UTC) 18:29, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

HMCS Preserver

Sir, you deleted facts which were added to the HMCS Preserver. If you would like to put what I wrote back up I will be more than happy to add citations or weblinks to each of the facts that I added. For her service history you can see a few new notes that I added. People should know about how dangerous this ship and command team are to the sailors that try to serve our country.

Feel free to re-add the information, but please make sure you include references so your changes are verifiable, per WP:V. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:29, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok I added links to stories written that show what I had written is accurate. If you delete this a third time then I give up. First hand accounts should mean something. I served on board during the times I referenced. Should personal experience not be able to serve as a reference.

No, personal experience cannot serve as a reference, see WP:OR for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:40, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok so once it is written by a newspaper then refs are credible. Ok more to follow on this one. A member of her crew is about to be court martialled for refusing to be quiet.

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	For making sure WP:RPP doesn't ever get backlogged ever again. I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 21:11, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

lol, thanks. It's a good feeling to clear out a backlog :) Mark Arsten (talk) 21:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: vandalism/libel against Jorge Erdely Graham

Hello, I was wondering if you can help me with a series of edits made by a user named Ajaxfiore, which are libelous and constitute vandalism against Jorge Erdely Graham. I made a noticeboard entry at: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Jorge_Erdely_Graham

Thank you for your consideration.AbuRuud (talk) 23:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure I can be of much help here. Since I can't read Spanish I can't really understand whether the references support the text. You might ask User:Thelmadatter for advice, she edits a lot of Mexican topics. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Czechia - the name dispute

Hi Mark, who can vote on the deletion of this article? Anyone? If yes, why don't you put a link on the discussion page so everyone can vote? Can I vote? Are you following the discussion? My point is this: First, the article has problems but it could be worked on collectively to be improved. I have suggested ways to deal with it in the discussion. Second, and more importantly, there is very little information on the term "Czechia" in Misplaced Pages and I believe that people who want to find out more about the term should be able to find it here. It should be neutral and non-partisan but almost all attempts to put any information on Misplaced Pages have been vandalized or deleted. I also think that Misplaced Pages should not discriminate against non-native speakers and use their less than perfect English as an excuse to delete the information they are trying to put in. It should be a collective effort and they should get help. I am relatively new here as a contributor so I do not have my page set up. I have to find time to learn how to do it. Sorry.Geog25 (talk) 02:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Mark, I found the link on the page, I was looking on the discussion page. Sorry to bother you.Geog25 (talk) 02:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Anyone is free to participate in the discussion, as long as your arguments are based in Misplaced Pages policy, see WP:ATA for details. There is usually just a link to the discussion on the article itself, but you're free to add links to it on other talk pages as long as you don't ask people to !vote a certain way. Let me know if you have any more questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:19, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Afghanistan Semi-Protection

Hello Mark. Sorry to interrupt the useful work you are doing (or always keep doing). You semi-protected Afghanistan for a week. Will it revert back to PC-1 after one week or will it be a no protection? --SMS 03:04, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

After one week is up it will automatically revert back to pending changes as usual. User:George Ho requested temporary semi-protection due a recent spurt in vandalism, so I agreed to temporarily provide that as well. Permanent semi-protection might actually make more sense than pending changes though, now that I think about it. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:06, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Sock question

Hello, Mark Arsten! SPI is not my strong point, and I'm not sure if you can do anything, but maybe you can point in the right direction. A user you just blocked is a WP:DUCK of another user who was just blocked. I (as a dynamic IP) reverted the latter's wikilove on Jimbo's page, and noticed the former's wikilove also on Jimbo's talk page, and they both edited User talk:24.246.104.98. I know they are both blocked, so it is worth it to file an SPI to check for a master, or is whack-a-mole the way to go? Rgrds. --64.85.216.33 (talk) 12:11, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I hadn't connected the two. I'll check with a CU. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:04, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! (1 October)

	The Admin's Barnstar
	I thereby award you with this Admin's Barnstar for your continued work at the Requests for protection noticeboard. Armbrust 12:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, glad to help! Mark Arsten (talk) 16:04, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

x2 make it two. Thanks for the work at RPP. Sohambanerjee1998 18:40, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure. I don't know why most other admins don't get involved there. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:22, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

This the pleasure is all yours, to be true Ged of Britain also works hard. Occasionally I've seen some other administrators too. Sohambanerjee1998 06:29, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Ged and I are in different timezones so it works out pretty well that way. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:22, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Both of you never disappoint me. Sohambanerjee1998 14:11, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review for Exari

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Exari. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

vandal

Hi Mark,
I noted that you made an advisory comment on the talk page for this IP user: Special:Contributions/71.55.154.102. I myself had just fixed a mess this account left on another article (which I doubt was a simple mistake). A look at the contribs shows a total of only 7 edits, all recent. Aside from the edit you commented on and the edit I repaired, all 5 of the remaining edits were clearly vandalism. As an admin, I though I would bring this to your attention. Thanks. - thewolfchild 20:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the note. He hasn't edited in over a week though, so I probably won't block. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:42, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Mark S. Gold‎

Thanks for the Semi on Mark S. Gold‎. I wasn't thinking, and should have requested PC1 - especially given that Copyvio is one of the key reasons for it. Will you change it to PC1, or should I wait and see if Semi covers it? Cheers, Tgeairn (talk) 21:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know, we might stick with semi for now and maybe revisit in a week. I don't have strong feelings either way. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:45, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Province of Georgia

I am fully aware of the fact that you are very busy, but I do ask that you protect this article because of ongoing vandalism by IPs. I kindly suggest semi protection. One look at the view history will tell you the story. Personally, I have no idea why this article is being vandalized, but it's happened multiple times now. Thank you Avenzhang (talk) 00:36, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'll check it out. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:38, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for semi-protecting. --Avenzhang (talk) 00:43, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Westwood High School (Austin, Texas)

Hi. I am going to ask you to reconsider my request you just denied at RPP regarding the above article. The reason is that the problem is still the same one from when you protected it in August. Same edits, same IP range. If you have a better solution, by all means let me know; but this is a continuation of the prior problem exactly, and not a new issue. The material being put back in is just garbage; I would find it poorly written as a sports story if I were the high school's newspaper editor. It certainly has no place here. They just edit warred it back every time I tried to tone it down before and I have no reason to think it just won't be the same story again. Thanks. Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:44, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it is a problem, but since the protection expired a couple weeks ago they've only added it back in once. I usually look for more frequent disruption when protecting. I guess you could get a second opinion from another admin if you like. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:52, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Handedness

Hi Mark Re Catholics being called "Leftfooters" or "lefthanders". You gave no reason for undoing my edit. Is it disputed or is it against some guidelines to include this fact? Timlynch22 (talk) 11:22, 2 October 2013 (UTC) Tim

Which edit of yours did I revert? Could you link to it? I probably reverted because you did not include a source with your change, see WP:V for the guideline. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:16, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Mark, er well I left you some clues: "lefthanders", "leftfooters" being a slang term for Catholics. It was on the "handedness" page. Raised as a Catholic I can vouch for this first hand. Misplaced Pages also references it on page: "Left-hand path and right-hand path". I am new to editing so please forgive i didn't link to that article. should i just put it back in or have you some doubts? Tim Timlynch22 (talk) 16:51, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

You can re-add the information, but you should include a link to a reliable source (WP:RS) when you add the information. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:17, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Fringe-y thing you may be able to help with

Hey, Mark. Been a while since we worked on anything together. I, perhaps foolishly, recently decided to try and improve the article on the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky. There were some talk page complaints, valid in my view, that the article had become a WP:COATRACK for the evolution vs. creationism debate. I think I've done a pretty good job of improving the article, especially considering that I don't hold the mainstream view of the museum, but now it's come down to issues of how much and what kind of criticism to include. Since you've done work on some pretty WP:FRINGE-y topics before, I thought your experience might be valuable in helping us sort through things. The presently-open discussion is here, although you may want to review all the talk page conversations from 2013 for background. On the other hand, you may not think this is worth your time or effort, and that's fine, too. I've had you in mind as a possible peer reviewer if we ever got to that point, but I think that if we can't resolve the open issues cleanly, it'll never get to that point.

BTW, I don't know (or necessarily care to know) your views on the subject of the article. I just know you've done good work on fringe-y articles before, and that's the reason I'm pinging you. Hope this isn't seen as WP:CANVASSing. If it is, I'll own up to it and try to rectify it. Acdixon 14:22, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

That does sound interesting, I'll try to take a look at it. I think I've heard of that before, but I thought it was in a different city. Is there more than one creation museum? Mark Arsten (talk) 15:34, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but this one is by far the biggest, most expensive, and best-known. Petersburg is right outside Cincinnati, so you may have heard someone say it was in Cincinnati, Ohio. Acdixon 15:39, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, yes, that was it. Back to geography class for me! Mark Arsten (talk) 15:41, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Malik Noureed Awan - which version should stand?

You have recently edited Malik Noureed Awan. Please see Talk:Malik Noureed Awan#Call for reasons why the NPOV/poorly-referenced version should stand and contribute your thoughts. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:07, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

"Fixed refs" from multiple IP addresses?

I wonder what's going on here. The edits looked benign, but seem to come from many different IP addresses. Is this some kind of sockpuppet attack? Anyway, thanks for your cleanup efforts. JustinTime55 (talk) 19:39, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Very odd situation here. Some details at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Sophisticated_mass_vandalism_from_IP_ranges.3F and Misplaced Pages:Archive.is RFC. Basically someone was running an unapproved bot to add links to his archive site and when it got blocked he started using a huge network of IPs to evade the block. Since those edits were technically block evasion I rolled them back. I haven't seen anything like this before. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:42, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Protection of 2013-14 UEFA Champions League page.

Hello, Thank you for protected the page from the disruptive editors. I can still edit on that page when the matches are finished though right? Skyblueshaun (talk) 20:04, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, established accounts (more than ten edits over four days) can still edit the page. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:05, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Richard Huggett

Hello thank you for your genuine reply, i must admit the comment about the monkey was in jest however you will find Richard Huggett was in fact born on the 18th. Yours sincerely a fruit monkey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.59.190 (talk) 21:58, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the note. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:33, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyvio-revdel

Hi! Thank you for dealing with those revdeletes. I'm afraid I screwed up at Susan C. Aldridge: I identified and removed a further copyvio, but failed to update the template. Is it OK to ask you to deal with that too, or should I re-add the template with the later revision?

By the way, do you have any advice on what to do about Emergy, where there is, despite various efforts on my part to remove it, again a massive and impenetrable screed posted by " MT Brown and S Ulgiati according to a mandate received from the International Society for the Advancement of Emergy Research (ISAER) during the most recent Biennial Emergy Conference (16-18 January 2010)"? It doesn't seem to me that that is how things are done round here, but I don't know what the next step should be. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:14, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, revdeleted the rest. I haven't looked a the Emergy thing in too much detail, but maybe try holding a talk page RFC about whether to keep the content or not? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:31, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for handling these blocks. It's the same person who's been harassing me for a while under different IPs, but I'm looking into avenues to deal with that. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:08, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Feel free to let me know if you spot any more socks. I can semi any pages he's targeting as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:10, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Macgyver

Seriously, re-read the Macgyver edit and tell me again how it's not constructive. Is there a region on this planet that isn't represented there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.255.96 (talk) 02:37, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Your most recent edits look fine to me. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:41, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Somatics

Hi - following a suggestion at WP:FT/N I'm contacting you about the Somatics article, which was the subject of an AfD earlier this year which you closed with a result of delete. Since then the article has re-appeared. Could you clarify what has happened? it seems to me the article is still as worthy as deletion as it was before. Thanks, Alexbrn 15:48, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Will reply there. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:56, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - WP:SOFTDELETE is a new thing to me ... Alexbrn 15:57, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a tricky situation when an Afd is open for three weeks but no one wants to vote on it. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:00, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Some of these fringe articles don't fit very well into the AfD categories, I think that's part of the problem. Alexbrn 16:02, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

In recognition of your great work at Requests for Page Protection. Cheers! — Keithbob • Talk • 16:41, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but it's a little early in the day for that! Mark Arsten (talk) 16:43, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

It's always 5 pm, somewhere -- Diannaa (talk) 15:42, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

LOL, I guess so. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:43, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Makers/ someone using wiki to promote besharam, manipulating with stats

Makers of besharam or someone else is trying to create false impression that the film is doing well. The film's actual budget is rs 80 cr. Somebody tampering with it, changing to 50 sometimes, 20 sometimes. Real budget is 80 cr.

Public opinion is completely negative. They are trying to make it mixed.

Collection figures are under 19 cr... showing 21.65..etc...

What is this ? Is wiki a place to present fake stats, false opinions ? Are there no controlling authority to present the true facts and figures of bollywood movies ?

And this is a new tactics. Lock the page and show whatever suitable for the makers....

this cant be the reputation of wiki....a site presenting misleading facts favorable for makers of the film.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.99.4.37 (talk) 16:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

The best thing you can do is to explain your concerns at Talk:Besharam (2013 film). Then other editors can observe and weigh in on the issue. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Sam Gagner article

Mark, there is what appears to be a vandal at the Sam Gagner article: User:Henrietta8. The editor has already violated WP:3RR. Flyer22 (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, blocked for 3RR. Not sure if it was actually vandalism since that does appear to be a real nickname for the guy. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:00, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Note that User:DSF99 attempted to remove this comment - possibly a sock. ~Charmlet 21:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I semi-d the article since it looks like a lot of new users have been hitting it lately. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:03, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

This is the revert Charmlet is referring to. User:Henrietta8 and User:DSF99 are obvious WP:Sockpuppets of User:Snowpants89 (already indefinitely blocked). Use:DSF99 was registered after I left this message on User:Henrietta8's talk page, then followed me here to revert me. Flyer22 (talk) 21:07, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, blocked. That doesn't look like a coincidence. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:09, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

LOL, no. Flyer22 (talk) 21:14, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

That mess has been going on at that article for several months, sporadically. I came across the older Schutzstaffel89 (indefinitely blocked) account and saw that it was used to make the same addition. That article is clearly going to need long-term semi-protection, since, going by this edit by Leech44, perhaps there is no WP:Reliable source referring to Gagner by that name. And even if there is, it shouldn't be in the lead unless it is a nickname that he is significantly known/well-known by. Flyer22 (talk) 22:17, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

SkyTeam

Hello there, Mark Arsten. Do you think this edit warrants your reversion? I think the IP provided two valid links for sources that otherwise are dead. Regards.--Jetstreamer  00:36, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

I reverted as the IP was engaged in block evasion. After his main account was blocked he used a network of IPs to continue editing. Edits made in evasion of a block are free to be reverted by any editor. But, if you think the edit was helpful, you're free to re-add the links. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:57, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

I did so. Thanks for your explanation.--Jetstreamer  01:16, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

A tip for you

Since I see your recent activity with Huggle, not sure if you know this, but since your an admin, on Huggle you could use Ctrl+B to block a user. Just a tip! ///EuroCarGT 02:22, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Huh, to be honest, I had no idea about that keyboard shortcut. Thanks! Mark Arsten (talk) 02:23, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for protecting Indira Samarasekera

Just wanted to thank you for protecting Indira Samarasekera. Hopefully I can work with some of these editors and we can get it up to snuff. --Rawlangs (talk) 15:56, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:59, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Berzerk

Hey again Mark, I saw your decision on WP:ANEW, but as I suspected no discussion occurred in the slightest, and now the page is completely unprotected. The only reason I reported the one user (Hometown Kid), is that he had made five reverts, and had blatantly reverted again after given the 3rr warning, which Iknow32 had not done. I think that kind of gives Kid the impression that he can now edit war, after recieving a clear final warning and nothing will happen. Frankly I think it would have been more fair to block both of them, rather than fully protect the article, but I respected your decision, and it is kind of pointless to do anything now. The only reason I am commenting here is that Berzerk (song) was already semi-protected for another 10 days, so if you could restore that I would appreciate it, because the IPs are already nibbling. STATic message me! 05:45, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the feedback. I'll take another look at how I handled it. I re-enabled the semi for now, since it was in effect before. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:04, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Sharlin Class Warcruiser AfD

Hi. I don't agree with your consensus assessment at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sharlin Class Warcruiser and I wonder if you could provide clarification, and possibly amend your closing rationale.

The way I see it, there are 4 keep !votes and 2 delete !votes (3 if you count the nomination). If the situation was straightforward, I'd agree with you, but DGG's keep !vote is entirely based on a rejection of WP:NOTPLOT, and I see no other argument in it. As I've indicated in my own !vote, per WP:AFDFORMAT, comments based on policy denial should not have any weight. Deathlibrarian's !vote that the article is "reasonable" doesn't appear to refer to any applicable policy, and resorts to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST, an argument to avoid at AfD. As such it should also be given no weight in the final count.

That leaves us with only 2 valid keep !votes against 2 delete !votes. I consider that I have provided a solid enough argumentation well grounded in policy that the sources recently added do not allow for GNG to be met, contrary to the non argumentated assertion that they do from Jclemens and Mark viking. There are examples (such as Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Siege_Perilous_(comics)) of arguments more in line with policy outweighing others even when comments are equally divided.

In my view, there is enough to justify a "delete" outcome, but I'd say a "no consensus to keep" outcome clearly stating that some keep !votes have been discarded, would be an acceptable compromise if you can't bring yourself to call it a delete. What do you think about it ?Folken de Fanel (talk) 15:31, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I think it was closed correctly. Basically, as User:Jclemens pointed out, everyone other than the nominator was supportive of keeping or merging the article. Two of the three deletion supporters noted that a merge would be acceptable, and merging is still an option after my close. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:27, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but my aim was to draw your attention on two of the keep supporters (especially DGG) whose comments were not in line with acceptable arguments at AfD per WP:AFDFORMAT. I think your closing rationale could have elaborated more on that, and that there was probably room for a "no consensus to delete" outcome rather than undisputed keep, which doesn't consider enough the arguments from merge supporters that the article doesn't meet GNG.Folken de Fanel (talk) 17:14, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Please don't feel bad, Mark. Folken de Fanel has a history of challenging administrator decisions where his view does not prevail. My interactions in the past have... left something to be desired, so don't take it personally. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 17:40, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I won't take it personally. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:43, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Discussing an AfD outcome with the closing admin in case of questions or concern is regular practice per WP:CLOSEAFD, and I can't see anything worth "feeling bad" over or "taking personally" in my request for clarification. Jclemens, as usual, exaggerates.Folken de Fanel (talk) 18:10, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Almor

Mark,

Would you mind if I undeleted the history on this article underneath the redirect? Not interested in contesting the redirect, just want non-admins to be able to see the article history there if anyone's interested in merging any content into the target of the new redirect. I think the outcome is entirely consistent with WP:ATD. Thanks, Jclemens (talk) 17:48, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:13, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Jclemens (talk) 22:17, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Reverted archive links

Hi Mark. You reverted numerous edits (e.g. ) where an editor replaced a broken link to the 2008 Olympics website with a valid archived one. What was the purpose of this? SFB 19:12, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I reverted as the IP was engaged in block evasion. After his main account was blocked he used a network of IPs to continue editing. Edits made in evasion of a block are free to be reverted by any editor. But, if you think the edit was helpful, you're free to re-add the links. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:14, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks! SFB 19:24, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Ideally I would have used an edit summary explaining that, but it wasn't feasible as I reverted about 700-800 of them. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:34, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

OperatorBot

You blocked OperatorBot as a vandal-only account. Why? Looking at his contribs, the only thing that could be considered vandalism is his message on the talk page of Ross Hill, which he removed, apologized for, and was forgiven. Were his vandalism contribs deleted? I don't want to accuse or attack you, just curious. Thanks, theonesean 21:49, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I blocked per this diff, where he posted a picture of an erect penis on Jimbo Wales' talk page. I added it to the image blacklist afterwards, so it doesn't show up now if you look at the diff. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:33, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Liam Patton AfD

Hello Mark, you deleted Liam Patton but not the other three articles listed in the AfD Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Liam Patton (2nd nomination) JMHamo (talk) 03:42, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, got it. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:19, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Coming Soon (french band)

The English page of this french band has been deleted because there are no reference. I saw them this summer and would like to read about them on Misplaced Pages. one reference is here http://www.last.fm/music/Coming+Soon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.192.176.76 (talk) 08:23, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but we need more than one reference to have a page on a band. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:20, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

More references: https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/coming-soon/id280405410 and http://de.wikipedia.org/Coming_Soon :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.192.176.76 (talk) 17:26, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Again, sorry, but I'm not sure those fit the definition of reliable sources. See WP:RS. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:28, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Taelon pages AFD

Good morning, I saw that you closed this AFD but I wonder if you saw that there were additional pages included in the same nomination? Jerry Pepsi (talk) 14:31, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, got it. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:19, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mark, sorry to bug you again, but I was wondering if there was some issue with the article Zo'or included as part of this AFD that keeps it from being deleted? Jerry Pepsi (talk) 16:56, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I got it. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Candacrox

Hi Mark, I saw your ban for Candacrox just as I posted this up: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Canadacrox

I suspect it is no longer required and can be removed. Thanks :) KiraChinmoku 17:14, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, it might be best to leave it open so they can check for other accounts. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:16, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

peer review

Hi Mark:

Could you please help work up science article Fluorine (peer review)? Pick a section maybe? 98.117.75.177 (talk) 18:03, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

P.s. I still miss Mbz and her pretty pictures.

I don't really do too much science work, but sure, I'll try to help out a bit with some of the wording at least. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:06, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks kindly for hitting the article and upgrading it. (Minor grammar thing, per AP style guide, "U.S." should be not be used as a noun, only as a modifier.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.162.44.194 (talk) 01:08, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Glad to help, and sorry about the mistake! Mark Arsten (talk) 01:14, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Sock

109.155.171.251 appears to a sock of the banned editor discussed about a week ago. Could you please have a look as they're pretty quick and effective. Many thanks. James12345 18:14, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Could you jog my memory a little? Who was the master here? Mark Arsten (talk) 18:16, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

No specified master, as far as know (dynamic I.P.) I left a note for Materialscientist, which leads on to another investigation. It actually looks pretty serious, as this is the third time I've come across them. I'm currently rollbacking all their edits to artificially increase my edit count. (If only...) James12345 18:23, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, did I block one of the past IPs? Mark Arsten (talk) 18:26, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I think you actually denied it (here) but somebody was complaining about my premature report. It was eventually revealed to be a case of block evasion, and somebody else stepped in and blocked them. The edits seem to be characterised by changing dates in British media, and using Fixed as every edit summary, which makes them easy enough to follow. Hope that helps. James12345 18:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, now I finally understand what you're talking about. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:36, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. You're fabulous. James12345 18:39, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Ashley Tisdale needs some copy-editing

Hi Mark, fancy something a bit different from all the RFPP work? Not a gruesome article, I'm afraid (unless one thinks of the subject that way), but may be interesting anyway...

Ashley Tisdale reached GA back in 2008. It recently failed its third FAC at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Ashley Tisdale/archive3, largely due to prose concerns. (The nominator asked for copy-edits after concerns about the prose were raised in the FAC, which of course usually doesn't end well.) It's actually quite a short article, albeit extensively referenced, and I've been through the prose myself and brought it to what I consider a solid GA+ level. However, it obviously needs a fair bit more work on the prose to be ready to bring back to FAC. Would you be able to look at it?

(There's also a peer review open at Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Ashley Tisdale/archive2).

Thanks! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:55, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

That would be a lot easier than the Fluorine request that I got earlier today! I think I should be able to help a bit, maybe later this week. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:29, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Question

Hi, Mark. What happened to the helper bots? Tiderolls 22:42, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

That's a very good question. Archive bots seem to be missing in action on a number of pages. I have no idea what's going on. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:45, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

User page protection

Hi, thanks for protecting this user page, however it looks like autoconfirmed users would still be able to vandalize it? This page is under attack by conspiracy nuts who are already autoconfirmed on Misplaced Pages, and the act of removing conspiracy vandalism will only heighten the craziness. vzaak (talk) 23:07, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so you want it fully protected, even though you won't be able to edit it then? Mark Arsten (talk) 23:08, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, please. vzaak (talk) 23:14, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi, Mark, I noticed you manually archived AN3 - thanks. Perhaps you know more about bot archiving than I do, but there's a real problem at ANI as no archiving is taking place. Apparently the owner of MiszaBot is not responding, so NE Ent took it upon himself to change ANI to ClueBot. However, for whatever reason, ClueBot hasn't archived, so my assumption is there's something wrong with what NE Ent did. I have e-mailed the owner of ClueBot, but they haven't responded. Meanwhile, every save at ANI takes forever because it's so large. Is there anything you can do to help? If not, is there someone else who understands these things whom I could contact? Regards.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:13, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

It's very strange that no archive bots seem to be working. I don't know much about the technical details though. This could be to blame: Misplaced Pages:Bot_owners'_noticeboard#You_may_need_to_reset_your_bot.27s_password. Cyberpower mentioned something the other day about pywiki, whatever that is. I might just ask on ANI, actually. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:27, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I read that discussion, but that was about MiszaBot. ClueBot is working, just not at ANI based on a probably incorrect configuration.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:30, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I just started a section at ANI. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:32, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

You wanna make it even bigger, huh? :-) I have this mental image of ANI exploding like an overinflated balloon and all that drivel/drama scattering all over Misplaced Pages like ashes from a volcano.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:38, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

lol, that would be quite the mess! Mark Arsten (talk) 23:40, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Question / Advise

Hi - you recently suspended a 7-identity sockpuppet editing Ronan Farrow. In a new RfC on Ronan Farrow, the first non-party comment came, almost immediately after the RfC was posted, from a first-time IP editor. Considering the immediacy of this post (and the fact Ronan Farrow is a very lightly edited entry that only attracts two regular editors]]), I strongly suspect this IP-editor is the same sock who has been aggressively inserting promotional language into Ronan Farrow but I do not believe I have enough of a case to request a CheckUser. I was wondering if you could advise me as to a proper course of action if, indeed, I should request a CheckUser or simply ignore it and move on? Thanks, kindly, in advance. BlueSalix (talk) 01:58, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Checkuser won't connect an IP to a named account, unfortunately, so I don't think they'd be able to do anything here. I'll semi-protect the talk page though if it keeps being targeted by socks. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:04, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

That would be much appreciated, thanks. We have a RfC that appears to be going off the rails really fast and to have likely sock IP editors begin inundating it is going to make accomplishing anything nearly impossible. BlueSalix (talk) 02:09, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Explanation needed - unlocking pH article

Hi!

Could you explain the need to lock pH article, where is the so-called persist vandalism? The history of the article does not record any vandalism from my last edit there. Or perhaps has it been made invisible?--188.26.22.131 (talk) 11:28, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I wanted to add some details, but I'noticed it is locked and I don't appreciate being forced to register. I see that vandalism was more than 10 days ago before my last edit when it was not locked.--188.26.22.131 (talk) 11:33, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I disagree, I think the vandalism was pretty persistent throughout August and September, at a glance. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:45, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Yours Truly (Ariana Grande album)

This article is frequently edited. Is "pending changes" appropriate? --George Ho (talk) 19:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, sure, I've semi'd it. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:28, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Reinstating of the page "Federer–Murray rivalry"

I would like to request that the aforementioned page is re-listed on Misplaced Pages, as I feel it is a noteworthy rivalry. The two men have now played 20 matches against each other, 4 of these coming in Grand Slam tournaments, 3 in finals, and this total is more than the total of Djokovic-Federer who have only ever contested one GS final in their careers; also the two have contested 8 finals in total, which is exactly the same number of finals as the aforementioned Djokovic-Federer rivalry. In addition, it is a much more competitive and equally balanced rivalry than that of Federer and Roddick, who played 24 times however Roddick only won thrice, however that merits it's own page. Furthermore, this has had a good amount of media coverage, more so than other "rivalry" pages that have been deleted, especially over the last few years, and I have definitely heard Federer vs Murray referred to as a rivalry multiple times. thetradge (talk) - 00:04, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Can you provide evidence of the media coverage? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:09, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I found several articles that I think will answer your question, including one from the official ATP website.............. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2063741/Andy-Murray-stokes-rivalry-Roger-Federer.html - http://www.atpworldtour.com/news/tennis/2012/11/features/rivalries-federer-murray.aspx - http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/370454/20120805/olympics-federer-murray-final-watch-live-stream.htm - http://blog.wimbledonticketsonline.co.uk/2012/12/one-of-tennis-great-rivalries-murray-vs.html ................Please let me know if you need any further proof

I think the best thing to do would be to create a sourced draft in your userspace and then we can work from there. See WP:USERSPACEDRAFT for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:35, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Does the original version of the article not still exist somewhere, or has it been deleted? If there still exists a draft of the article, maybe it would make more sense to draw on that, seeing as all of the relevant information was right there. thetradge (talk) 22:49, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it does, and looking at it, it does have some sources. I've changed my mind: instead of working on a draft I suggest you just request the deletion be overturned at WP:DRV. Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 23:15, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

The re-listing request has now been submitted at WP:DRV, I'm assuming admin will take it from there? thetradge (talk) 00:27, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Everyone can comment at a WP:DRV, so it's not just admins who will comment. Once complete, it is normally an admin who will close the DRV. You are also free to comment on the comments made by others at the DRV, although in general it's recommended to comment briefly, concisely, and not excessively. (In other words, if you reply to every single comment at the DRV, you will annoy people. Equally, if you post five hundred words in one comment with no paragraph breaks, you will annoy people. And so on.) I haven't read the AfD or DRV or the original article, so my comments are general ones that may or may not be useful. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:34, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

List of Cardiology Trials

It's a shame you removed such a well made wiki article.

A disappointed cardiology fellow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.58.160.216 (talk) 23:49, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but some content just isn't right for Misplaced Pages. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:09, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

BCG

I don't think static salary information from 2012 really belongs on a company page (especially for one that is apparently in 43 countries and I assume pays different everywhere). It felt odd reading that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.202.13 (talk) 01:14, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, you're free to remove it again, but please explain your reason in an edit summary so your change isn't mistaken for vandalism. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:16, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Alfred Apps

Hi Mark;

Thanks for you prompt response to the accuracy of Mr. Apps' Bio.

You're welcome, glad to help. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:41, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

91.232.101.32 (talk · contribs)

When protecting articles based on sock abuse, it is best to revert the sock first. Otherwise it just makes cleaning up after them harder. Werieth (talk) 15:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry about that. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:14, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thanks for your work at WP:RFPP. Bearian (talk) 15:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. And that you for your help, as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:14, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Blond article

Mark, mind semi-protecting the Blond article? There is a persistent sockpuppetry problem going on there (and at other hair color articles); see here and here for details if you haven't already seen those sections on my talk page. In addition to stopping that IP range, semi-protecting the article will draw out that IP range's registered account and that can be used as further evidence that these accounts are being operated by the same person. I'm not sure if SQGibbon is still watching that article or is simply tired of dealing with this person. Flyer22 (talk) 15:33, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm still watching. I just missed the last couple of days of edits. And I support Flyer22's request. This sock refuses to engage in discussion and is able to jump around pretty easily. I didn't get around to reporting one of their most recent sockpuppets but it is a persistent problem. Semi-protecting the article would provide a nice break and might provide additional evidence as to their sock identities. SQGibbon (talk) 15:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I gave it some semi. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Flyer22 (talk) 17:54, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

As predicted. Flyer22 (talk) 23:47, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

This looks like it may be the problem. We might be butting up against the competence issue. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:14, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, a competence issue (which is also no doubt in part due to the English barrier, the broken English; the broken English aspect was also noted on my talk page in the aforementioned first discussion linked above), but, as has been noted, that user was already indefinitely blocked under a different account. He or she shouldn't be here based on that alone. Time for another sockpuppet case against him or her. Flyer22 (talk) 00:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, Ok. What was the previous account? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:49, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

It's shown and explained in the first discussion linked above in this section, Mark. User:محبةالكتب is the previous account. Flyer22 (talk) 01:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, got it, sorry for being so slow. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:37, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

LOL. Thanks for blocking that user and for extending protection of that article. Flyer22 (talk) 02:44, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	In case you didn't get the "thank thank thank thank thank thank thank" message, thanks for housekeeping at WP:RFPP. Drmies (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

LOL, thanks a lot. I saw 13 notifications and figured I had done something really good or was in a ton of trouble! Mark Arsten (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

You are racking up barnstars these days. All well-deserved, obviously. Flyer22 (talk) 17:55, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Well apparently I'm terribly unoriginal. I came here to pop an admin's barnstar on your talk as well but I see others have beaten me to it! The sentiment remains; thank you for all of the work you do in keeping the backlogs down at AIV and RFPP. You're a star!--Jezebel'sPonyo 18:55, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I appreciate the work you three do as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:01, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I am also terribly unoriginal, I don't pop barnstars but said once and for all that you are precious. I miss PumpkinSky who told me, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:11, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes you did :) I hope PS ends his wikibreak soon, there are altogether too many good Wikipedians missing these days. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:27, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: George Went Hensley

This is a note to let the main editors of George Went Hensley know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on October 27, 2013. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask Bencherlite (talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/October 27, 2013. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Barnstar

George Went Hensley (c. 1880 – 1955) was an American Pentecostal minister. He experienced a religious conversion around 1910 and came to believe that the New Testament commanded all Christians to handle venomous snakes. Although illiterate, he was a licensed minister of the Church of God from 1915 to 1922. He was arrested on moonshine-related charges and sentenced to a term in a workhouse, from which he escaped. He then held revival services in Ohio, and established churches, known as the Church of God with Signs Following, in Tennessee and Kentucky. His services ranged from small meetings in houses to gatherings with hundreds of attendees and media attention. He was arrested for violating laws against snake handling at least twice. He claimed to have survived more than 400 snake bites, but fell ill after being bitten during a service in 1955. He refused medical attention and died the next day. Despite his personal failings—he had conflicts with his family because of his drunkenness, frequent travels, and lack of steady income—Hensley convinced many residents of rural Appalachia that snake handling was commanded by God, and his followers continued the practice after his death. (Full article...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:03, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Thanks for reverting Mathgenious989's changes to my talk page Eggishorn (talk) 01:12, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:13, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Kohs AfD

Might you consider restoring the revision history to the redirect? It did include material and sourcing about MyWikiBiz that is not in that article and it would be easier for someone to merge that material over there.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 04:20, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know, comparing the bio article before deletion with the company article I'm not sure there was much to merge over. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:56, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Showing that you're neutral

I'm asking you to get involved in this, in the capacity of an admin. MilesMoney (talk) 05:27, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Please do. Both the edits before & after the diff that Miles has supplied. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 05:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I've commented there. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:51, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Everyone loves kittens, so this is one just for you!

KiraChinmoku 08:37, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:21, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Nefarious: Merchant of Souls

Hi Mark,

Thank you for encouragement with respect to the Nefarious: Merchant of Souls article. Any constructive comments you would be willing to provide at its featured article candidacy would be greatly appreciated.

Neelix (talk) 22:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'm glad we have people working on our Human trafficking articles. I'll see if I have time to make some edits on the article or post a review, but I've been keeping fairly busy lately. See you around, Mark Arsten (talk) 22:20, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi mark, you reverted one of my changes a moment ago, and I would like to discuss something with you

Hi mark, you reverted one of my changes a moment ago, and I would like to discuss something with you

Sure, what would you like to discuss? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:16, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Some falafel for you!

Thanks if you reply to me Kevin syria (talk) 01:14, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Why was my page deleted

Hi Mark, just wondering why you deleted my page "Lake County Captains Managers" on 00:39, 27 August 2013. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill3490 (talk • contribs)

Did I? I'm not seeing any deleted revisions at Lake County Captains Managers. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:42, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Comment from interfering visitor Yes, you did. It was a category that was blanked by the creator. Peridon (talk) 18:13, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see now, I deleted Category:Lake County Captains managers as G7, because he created it and then blanked it a minute later. @Bill3490: You're free to recreate the category if you like. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:17, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

My Recent Longboarding Edits

Hello there, I recently made several adjustments to the Longboarding page and they were quickly revoked due to lack of sources. I am a professional longboarder and am very active in the community. The edits I made were from my own experiences and knowledge and most of those facts have not been documented anywhere since the sport has such a tiny community. What should I do about not having any sources? I suppose I could write an article on a blog or something and then source myself? Thanks Kmg1434 (talk) 03:40, 10 October 2013 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.31.57 (talk) 02:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

We generally require additions to be backed by a third-party reliable source, see WP:IRS. Although you may be an expert on the topic, we have a policy of not accepting information based on personal experience, see WP:OR. You would have to get the information published in a magazine or a paper or something for it to be usable in Misplaced Pages. Sorry! Mark Arsten (talk) 17:45, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

How important social media and web 2.0 are today in modern communication

I was just tagging that as a copyvio - but you'd deleted it already. Don't know if this might be another nail in someone's coffin... Peridon (talk) 18:09, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I stumbled across it after seeing Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/LumCel actually. Apparently he keeps making pages like this with similar accounts... but at least he makes it clear who he is! Mark Arsten (talk) 18:14, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Sock puppet Mirtchev - KazakhBT claims

Hey Mark, I don't control those editors, but I guess they will have to appeal that process, nor affiliated with any subjects. But if anything the editor who is making these accusations has only ever contributed to the page in question, which I think is the traditional definition of what a sock puppet actual is. I believe the article is more neutral now and less promotional and defaming as it once was. I guess I'm just asking for your thoughts on this. Thanks --Monstermike99 (talk) 19:09, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

My apologies if a mistake has been made. But given the evidence it would seem to be quite a coincidence. Have you coordinated your editing with them somehow? I suggest you post your feelings on the matter at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Monstermike99. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:13, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. It wasn't coordinated and I feel if the board/council looks at this closer it was just editors agreeing. Like I mentioned, I'm wary about the other editors intent since he hasn't contributed to a single Wiki article except this one, and not one neutral contribution. Thanks for getting back to me quickly Mark, I appreciate it and will reply on that board. --Monstermike99 (talk) 19:26, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

You've got mail!

--    L o g  X   20:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

You can ignore this mail. It has been done by another sysop! Thanks. --    L o g  X   20:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok. BTW, I usually have gmail open in a tab next to Misplaced Pages when I'm online, so a YGM notice isn't really needed unless I'm on wikibreak or something. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:13, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Got that! --    L o g  X   20:19, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

SPI closing

I'm not familiar with how to fully close these SPI things, but it looks like unless {{archive top}} is in place and the SPI gets removed from the "open" category the discussion will go on. On the other hand, maybe the closed SPI is a good place for frustrated editors (moi? ) to expend energy re-plowing the same ground. – S. Rich (talk) 23:02, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit new to this, but I think someone marks it closed first and then a clerk archives it. I guess I am technically a clerk now though, but I haven't learned how to archive yet. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:22, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I see it has been archived. Happy Happy Joy Joy! – S. Rich (talk) 23:49, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:Systems of measurement

Hi Mark,

On 22 September you saw fit to place a lock on Template:Systems of measurement as a result of edit-warring between between a newcomer EzEdit and myself. Two weeks ago a discussion concerning the template was opened by a third party - User:Michael Glass. I have stated my position, EzEdit that a discussion is open, but so far he has not made any contributions. Since eleven days have elapsed since he acknowledged the existence of the discussion and he has made no contribution, will you please assume that he has lost interest and as per the current discussion (which has been static for 16 days) revert his last change to make mine the current version. Martinvl (talk) 12:50, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I think it would be best to wait for the protection to expire here. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:05, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Premature close of an SPI

Why did you close this SPI? A CU user declined Johnny Au's request for a CU, but the case has yet to be addressed on behavioural evidence. The IP is still actively socking and causing disruption. TDL (talk) 15:49, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't totally convinced that a duck block was in order, but I think the IP's behavior in and of itself merited a block, so I've just imposed one. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:16, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thank you for helping me find my sea legs this week, my first week as an admin. You've been knowledgeable, helpful, forgiving and patient. Much appreciated! Zad68 18:23, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure, looks like you'll be an expert in no time! Mark Arsten (talk) 18:28, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

1 out of 3

See here for the other two. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

My mistake, got the other two. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:12, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:15, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Marvel Cinematic Universe pages - protection

Hello Mark. Our previous conversation was archived so I am restarting here. Asking you to readd protection to The Avengers: Age of Ultron. Before bringing my thought in that archived post to you, you had protected the page until December 10. However, an edit war between some editors occurred, causing another admin to fully protect the page, here, which overrode your protection. As such, the page is now unprotected, and as I was trying to state in my archived post, the disruptive editing, in the form of adding unconfirmed actors to the page, has returned. So in any event, I would ask you to please reinstate the semi protection until December as previously was on the page, or reevaluate if you feel necessary, but those two edits may not be enough for a new decision. Thank you as always. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:47, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I've restored the protection. This happens pretty regularly, frustrating how semi and full can't run concurrently. It's a flaw in the software, really, since we're able to have concurrent semi and PC. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:51, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

No problem. As well, the other pages I asked you about will be unprotecting at the end of the month, so I will ping you again if I feel they warrant a re-look. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:59, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, please do. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:01, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: 50.122.87.219

Thank you

Thank you for your level head. Per your suggestion at the drama page, note: Montanabw 17:39, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

No problem, we all lose our tempers from time to time, so Admins need to be understanding when someone has a bad day. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:39, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Margarita Moran-Floirendo

I recently added new references for this article. Is there somebody tasked to evaluate biographies if it is a stub or not? greenmarktea78 20:21, 12 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marktanoja78 (talk • contribs)

If you feel it's not a stub, you're free to remove the stub tag yourself, actually. That kind of thing is seldom contentious. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mark, thank you for that insight.greenmarktea78 04:54, 13 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marktanoja78 (talk • contribs)

relist?

Hi Mark. I don't think I've ever questioned a relist, but this one has me confused. Could you explain why you relisted this? Given that even the nominator was neutral, I don't think there was one person who felt we shouldn't have the article. Further, the current article seems fine and I don't think anyone was objecting to it. Hobit (talk) 03:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, normally I wouldn't have relisted in that situation. In this case I wanted to see a strong consensus before closing in case of possible BLP concerns. I'll probably close it in a few days anyway if no one else shows up. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:39, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of fictional films (2nd nomination)

I'm curious why you closed this AFD as a keep. While there were more votes to keep then delete, it did not seem like there was really a consensus to do so. Both TTN and I supported our delete opinions with good reasoning. Meanwhile, one of the keep votes was basically WP:LIKEIT, two were to improve it, even though nobody made any attempt at all to improve it since the last AFD, and nothing suggests that is going to change, and Warden's comments went pretty far off topic. It seemed to me that the AFD should have been relisted at least once to get some more discussion. Now I'm not trying to tell you how to be an admin; you obviously have way more expierence with that than me. I just want an explanation of why you felt that it should be closed as keep. Thank you. JDDJS (talk) 05:20, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

While some weren't perfect Keep rationales, I think that Warden and Jclemens they were sufficiently policy-based to justify keeping the article. Cas's was reasonable as well. Overall, I think a Keep was supported, but maybe a no consensus would have been reasonable as well, I'll think about it. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:52, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for being open-minded. Even if you don't end up changing your mind, at least you considered it. JDDJS (talk) 17:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

For Mark Arsten.

Hello Mark Arsten, I saw Ayaan Chawla page through the Facebook link Ayaan Chawla's page which is deleted by you months ago, It is blocked I think, I wanna know can I create that article again or it is being created? AdamCharles89 (talk) 11:39, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Since there has been a strong consensus to delete the article, I don't think you should recreate it. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:42, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

If it's possible may I know what is the reason, that I should not recreate Ayaan Chawla's article. AdamCharles89 (talk) 17:40, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I believe there was a lack of independent third party sources in reliable publications. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:50, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I have some info which can be added to Misplaced Pages as, I found some good resources. AdamCharles89 (talk) 19:38, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Really? Could you give me some examples? Also, have you edited Misplaced Pages under another username before? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:12, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I've edited some articles but I am reading Misplaced Pages from around 8 years. And What I know is that we can have only 1 username. What should I do now? AdamCharles89 (talk) 02:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

You should probably get some more experience writing Misplaced Pages articles before you work on Ayaan Chawla. Just my advice though, you can ask at WP:DRV for Chawla to be undeleted if you want. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:57, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I have done what you said for enable to create Ayaan Chawla article. AdamCharles89 (talk) 08:49, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Revdel

I noticed you revdel'd a revision on User talk:Bbb23, but you didn't revert the changes made in that revision, so his edit is now in all of the future revisions as well. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:29, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

My bad, fixed now. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:37, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

SPI script

Not sure if anyone pointed this out, but User:Timotheus Canens/spihelper.js. --Rschen7754 23:18, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Good point, I think I added it to my js page but I haven't remembered to use it yet! Mark Arsten (talk) 23:20, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

More vandalism from 209.65.48.3

This edit to Haines City High School shows the IP 209.65.48.3 at it again, after his block from a couple weeks ago. I thought I'd bring it to you, since you blocked him last time. Simple_butpowerful 03:50, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, blocked. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:40, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

AfD for Most weeks ranked number 1 (NCAA football)

Hi Mark, I think Most weeks ranked number 1 (NCAA football) is up for a decision, and I just wanted to point out that the reasons it was tagged in the first place (WP:OR, WP:NOTABILITY, etc) were all resolved in the discussion, even if the original assertions have not been recanted. This is the first time I've been part of this process, but I'd guess this is not an unusual situation (some editors making "proofs by assertion", and never returning.) There is a summary near the bottom where evidence is presented for these assertions. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.254.239.1 (talk) 16:54, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the update. I don't know if I'll be the one to close it or not, but I'll keep that in mind. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Mark Arsten, it seems that user Vahram Mekhitaryan who has been blocked for 2 weeks, used IP adresses and edit the same article in which he was engaged in edit war.--Δαβίδ (talk) 17:34, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Which article is this? I don't recall what he was editing. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

this, this or this. I think that it is the same user with different IPs.--Δαβίδ (talk) 18:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, semi-d the page. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I think that edit must be reverted.--Δαβίδ (talk) 18:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, go ahead. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:20, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Tumbleman

I've declined to unblock him - partly because he's claiming to have shared his password with some 'professional' to get some edits done to his sandbox. Do you want to up to an indef for compromised account or is he just trolling? Peridon (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

It looks like Reaper has weighed in there now, so I'll let him handle it. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:02, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi

First thanks for your attention to my report here. but I clearly reported that user is reverting my edits without giving a reason, and without answering me or giving a reason in his talk page. what you did ? you protected the page while his edit was the last one on the page. It's funny I think you just punished me with this, I'm ok with that but you didn't even warn him !! It just will courage him to continue his work. Mohsen1248 (talk) 18:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I didn't mean to punish you, no. I think his behavior is more of a problem than yours, since he isn't communicating. I suggest you post on the talk page of the article and explain your viewpoint. You could also ask for more input on the talk page of a relevant Wikiproject, to try and build consensus. Let me know if you have any more questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:19, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I know you didn't mean to punish me but if you look at the outcome, it looks like that (now I see your warning and thanks for that), after the 3-day period I will explain my viewpoint in article's talk page before reverting back those vandal edits even though I think it's already very clear (so I Have to explain I'm correcting the names and sorting them by alphabet ? OK I will) I will do that but I highly doubt it works with this user even though that warning might work, thanks for your attention. Mohsen1248 (talk) 18:32, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Block request

Hi, Mark, would you block Special:Contributions/82.35.218.9 with an expiry set of one year, because the user permanently and currently revert vandalism.

I'll keep my eye on that IP, but their recent contribs don't look like vandalism to me. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:58, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review for Ayaan Chawla

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ayaan Chawla. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. AdamCharles89 (talk) 08:47, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

For Mark Arsten

Hello Mark Arsten, you have deleted Ayaan C. article which was created by me as I informed you before creating article. So, what I have to do? AdamCharles89 (talk) 14:20, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

You need permission from DRV to create the article. Wait until the discussion ends and if it's closed as "overturn" then you can create it. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:21, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I didn't get where to request? AdamCharles89 (talk) 14:23, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean by that. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I want to know what is the process to create a deleted article as you said. AdamCharles89 (talk) 14:56, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

The process is: wait until the discussion at deletion review is closed. If the closer gives you permission, you can recreate it. Until then, just wait. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:58, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Where is this deletion review is going on? That I have to wait for. AdamCharles89 (talk) 16:32, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Hint: you've posted there twice today. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:35, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I go it where the deletion review is going on. AdamCharles89 (talk) 17:22, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

But what is the status and what is going on? AdamCharles89 (talk) 17:23, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

It's awaiting review from community members. I wouldn't count on people being very inclined to recreate it though. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:24, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Wrong version

You should have reverted to a consensus version, before edit-protecting the page. Apart from the fact that a warning not to edit-war would have been more logical than protection in this case. Debresser (talk) 16:56, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Which page are we talking about here? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:59, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I am so sorry. I was referring to Template_talk:Infobox_Jews#Protection. Debresser (talk) 08:48, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Let's talk about it there, please. I'll unfollow your talkpage. Debresser (talk) 08:50, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

You have visited that talkpage, but not yet answered my questions in the Protection section. Do you plan to do so? Debresser (talk) 16:15, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

IP block

I see you blocked the 186.159.112.126 IP user for a month. The last block of that IP was for three months and I have not seen a single edit from the IP that was not blatant vandalism. A much more lengthy block would be a good idea, I think.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 17:18, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:20, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Rousseau Metal deleted

Hi, You deleted the english version of Rousseau Metal's wikipedia. We would like it to be back online and are wondering what can we do to do so. Thanks for your help! RousseauM (talk) 19:02, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

If you can provide evidence that it meets the WP:CORP guideline it may be possible to have it restored. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:04, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I updated the links from the french version if you wanna take a look (most of the links are available in french only unfortunately. I found these in english that can be of interest: http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/ccc/srch/nvgt.do?prtl=1&estblmntNo=104585450000&profile=cmpltPrfl&profileId=1801&app=sold&lang=eng http://www.hydroquebec.com/business/energy-efficiency/hydro-affaires/rousseau-metal/

Thanks RousseauM (talk) 12:28, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Are you with the company? If so, you should really read our conflict of interest policy: WP:COI. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:59, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Sam Branson

Hi again. I just don't understand where exactly to bring up the fact that I think there should be a page for him, and try to get a new vote. I've read what you gave me but still don't understand. Can you please help?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:50, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Is there something specific you're having trouble with? I'm not really sure how I can help you at this point other than linking to the page with the DRV instructions: Misplaced Pages:Deletion review#Steps to list a new deletion review. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:00, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand the instructions. I don't know where exactly to bring up the issue. Is there a specific talkpage?Zigzig20s (talk) 01:00, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, click here, and then paste the below code in, replacing my text in the "reason field" with your own reasoning. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

{{subst:drv2
|page=Sam Branson
|xfd_page=Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sam Branson
|reason=I think this guy should have an article.
}} ~~~~

Thanks. I did it.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:02, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

ANI notice; input requested

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.. Please see here ANI

Nathaniel Raymond's vanity page

Hi,

I was under the impression that discussions such as these ] were to last seven days. Why is this one closed already? There are four comments that make sense, two in favor and three against.0Juan234 (talk) 21:38, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Usually they do run seven days, but it seemed like a strong consensus was developing, so I closed it early per the snowball rule. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:56, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Is this a joke? I mean, score one for the tyranny of the majority - and it's an uninformed majority at that, as it's clear in the remarks that all but three or four editors read the references. Did you read them?0Juan234 (talk) 22:10, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, if you feel the discussion was wrongly closed, you're free to open a deletion review of it, see WP:DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:39, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Did you read the references?0Juan234 (talk) 18:11, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they seem fine to me. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:20, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

They "seem fine" and they "are fine" are different concepts. Which sources "seem" to establish notability and why? 0Juan234 (talk) 18:03, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I think this was explained pretty well in the deletion discussion, and I see now reason to repeat what's already been said other than that I judged there to be a consensus that the references demonstrated notability by way of significant coverage. I believe I've explained my closure adequately, if you think it should be overturned you can open a discussion at DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:11, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, sorry, but this response only contributes to the ambiguity of what is going on with this Raymond page. The problem is, very little has been said about the page. Let's look at the "votes" one-by-one:

Blander Remove; says references weak
DavidinNJ Keep; notes which references establish notability; explains why.
Quadell Keep; does not mention sources
Colonell Henry - Keep; notes which references establish notability; explains why.
Green Cardamom - Keep; does not mention sources
NinjaRobotPirate - Keep; does not mention sources, says that his vote is influenced by dislike of my posts (not the sources)
Khazar - Keep; does not mention sources
Randykitty - keep; notes which references establish notability; explains why.
Juan - Remove; references weak

I'm sure you'll agree that an uninformed vote, or one from an editor who demonstrates that he/she does not understand notability, or one from an editor who states he/she is voting as such out of spite and not due to the actual topic, should be invalid.

So, we have:

Remove 2 (note references are weak)
Keep 3 (note which references establish notability; explains why)

Keep 2 (explain nothing; I requested clarification from both, none was provided)
Keep 1 (explains nothing and says he/she is voting "keep" due to spite)

I do not understand your last remark: "I think this was explained pretty well in the deletion discussion" - the question I asked twice was whether or not you (not the editors in the deletion discussion) had read the references, and, if so, I would like to know which you feel establish notability and why. Whether or not you had read the references was not covered in the deletion discussion. So, for a third time, have you read the references? If so, which do you feel establish notability and why? 0Juan234 (talk) 19:11, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I've reviewed the sources and found them sufficient, but I'm not inclined to provide a detailed summary of my feelings about each reference (nor am I obligated to). I disagree with your characterization of several of the Keep !voters, as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:21, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Stale

Mark, re your closing. Slow motion edit warring appears to continue, see diff. Do you think it is still stale? AgadaUrbanit (talk) 13:56, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, looks like it is continuing. Looks like User:Sepsis II has reverted about five times in five weeks. That could justify a block for slow motion edit warring, theoretically. I think WP:AE would be a better venue than WP:AN3 for this though. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

This is a clear case of battleground mentality by Agada, he continually complains about editors which stand up against Israeli extremists in hopes of getting these editors banned. Anyone who looks at the history of the article would see that most of the recent edits, and most of the recent accounts have been run by two banned editors, Soosim and NoCal100. The reverts are obviously covered under wp:3rrno as I have pointed out before to the willfully deaf Agada. I have made but a single revert of a non-banned editor; the edit was unexplained removal of sourced information, perhaps meatpuppetry. I would welcome a case at AE. Sepsis II (talk) 18:30, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Reverting banned editors is indeed an exception to our edit warring rules, so it's good to hear your explanation. Note that only one of the four editors you've reverted is currently blocked as a sock though. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:46, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Mark, do you think it might be beneficial to warn User:Sepsis II? It appears she/he believes there is nothing wrong in his actions, and this might not be the case. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 22:21, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I think my comments here should be enough warning. Use your best judgment about going to AE though. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:13, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Sure Mark, thank you. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 04:49, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Looks like another respectable acount has joined this edit war on the enemy's side; User:Blue Duck T, I vow to win, no matter how many editors try to revert me!!!!! LOL. Can you please protect the page from all these socks? Thanks, Sepsis II (talk) 10:52, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Don't say I never did anything for you ;) Mark Arsten (talk) 14:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

So you know how you never do anything for me right? Well apparently an admin finally came through for NoCal and put me under sanctions for battling his socks. If you could take part in the discussion at User talk:Magog the Ogre that would be great. Thanks, Sepsis II (talk) 19:34, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

You did wonderfully! Thanks! Sepsis II (talk) 20:04, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

TVCatchup

Thanks for responding to my request for semi protection, I am wondering how would I re-add the bit about forum posts being deleted, as I suspect when I re-add it, it will go into edit war from that new user, Fkmd (talk) 21:34, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I would suggest opening a discussion on the article's talk page to try to build consensus on the issue. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:14, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Sock question

Hi, an admin said the Tumbleman (talk · contribs) account has been WP:COMPROMISED due to his story about giving away his password, and "can therefore not be unblocked". So is the issue whether or when he'll come back as a new account? Also, FYI I added more evidence to the SPI. vzaak (talk) 23:30, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit new to this, I suggest checking with Reaper. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:06, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

In case you didn't notice it, a sock walked into its own AE case, which is now closed with indef block. This active sock seems like a loose end in the affair. vzaak (talk) 14:58, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Robert B. Rheault

I was notified by a fraternal organization, to which I belong, of Colonel Rheault's passing on Oct 16, 2013. COL Rheault was a member of the organization as well. I believe the obituary will come out Oct 17 or Oct 18 at which time somebody may perhaps take up the task of updating the page. - pk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.236.22.34 (talk) 11:22, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

—cyberpower _Offline 19:08, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Syrian Emergency Task Force

Hey there Mark, my name is Evan and I work for the Syrian Emergency Task Force. Over the past few weeks, I had been editing and questioning the neutrality of an article on our organization, as some of the information is incorrect, while other facts are simply outdated. I edited the page in an effort to make it more accurate, but now the page has been locked. I understand we are a controversial political organization, and I understand the use of having a page that reflects our history accurately.

I would like to work with the creator of the page, user BlueSalix, to clarify a few points, and perhaps arrive at a consensus about what information should be included. For example, there is a reference to an employee who has not worked here for some time, and the fact that she used to work at a restaurant is listed in a sort of insulting manner. Perhaps some of us deserve to be mocked, but I would hope it would be limited to actual SETF employees!

In any event, I've tried to reach out to BlueSalix to hash some of this out, but I'm not sure I'm using the talk pages correctly, as I'm new to all this. If you could work with me on this I'd greatly appreciate it.

Evan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Setfevan (talk • contribs) 19:44, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Evan, the first thing you should do is explain your concerns with the article here. There are a couple other things you can do, but that should be the first step. Let me know when you've done so. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:39, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Mises ANI

Hello Mark. I'm writing to suggest you reconsider this remark: which appears to condemn User:MilesMoney and can be expected to encourage various other editors to join in doing the same. It seems to be problematic to discuss editors' behavior without diffs or very specific evidence, because there are all too many editors waiting to pile on others whom they dislike. With respect to MM, although his tone is often curt and occasionally snide, he is one of the brightest and most knowledgeable editors in these contentious Mises/Libertarian articles. He has the virtue of being very direct and straightforward, so everyone knows where he stands on content and editorial issues. The same could be said of Steeletrap and a few others. Anyway, just a note to suggest you not light up next to the gasoline pump. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 21:18, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I didn't mean to condemn MM at all, I was just trying to say that site bans are a last resort and all options should be considered before that. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:32, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mark. No, I know that was not your intention. That's why I wrote it "appears to.." -- I just feared that certain others would take that mention of Miles as a dog whistle to pile on. Sure enough the lynchmob is forming. Anyway... Thanks for your efforts. SPECIFICO talk 21:35, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Hemmebrand17

Are you going to ban 166.82.70.107 as well? Hauntingwhisper admitted to using that IP on my talk page and you have banned him for being a sock of Hemmebrand17.LM2000 (talk) 22:53, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

If that's the IP he's been editing from it will be blocked automatically by the software if he tries to edit with it logged out. See Misplaced Pages:Autoblock for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:14, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Reprotect Convert subtemplates

Some of us, with template-editor right, diagnose 2,000 subtemplates of Template:Convert. Recently, I have noted problems in:

• Template:Convert/3 - convert 3 amounts needs updates to match {Convert/4}.
• Template:Convert/°R, Template:Convert/°C, Template:Convert/K
• Template:Convert/kn, Template:Convert/mi, Template:Convert/km
• Template:Convert/kg, Template:Convert/oz, Template:Convert/g
• Template:Convert/cm, Template:Convert/mm, Template:Convert/nm
• Template:Convert/LonAonSon, Template:Convert/LonAonSoff - fix for acres
• Template:Convert/Dual/LoffAoffDxSoffT - improve range of temperatures, as people want minus signs (not hyphens) in {convert|-5|to|-9|F|C}} → −5 to −9 °F (−21 to −23 °C).

Those, so far, will keep me busy 2 weeks to discuss consensus to update them. Can wait a few days, reply here. Thanks. -Wikid77 (talk) 07:27, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I think all of those are set to "protected template" now. There may still be issues with cascading protection on some of them though. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Still Template:Convert/LonAonSon is locked as a redirect; no hurry, while updating others. -Wikid77 19:15, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

TE

I admit it has been a while since I made some but probably WikiProject templates amongst others. I don't have any specific requests at the moment but I will inform you or any other admin on any I may want to edit in the future when needed. I will honestly just use this tool for maintenance and hopefully non-controversial edits (WikiGnoming is a large part of my edits). I hope this is okay and thank you. Simply south...... cooking letters for just 7 years 10:01, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi again

Hi again Mark, if you remember we had a short discussion here, I edited the page once again and explained my reason in talk page but that user still just reverted my edit without giving a reason, and without communicating. all I gave from him was a personal attack in my talk page you unfortunately can't understand because it's in another language. what I have to in this case with ? Mohsen1248 (talk) 10:52, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, if personal attacks are involved, I suggest posting on WP:ANI about him. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:50, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

It's not in English, it's in Fingilish and no online translator can translate it. so I think it's useless to report it. OK I will edit the page once again even though this user won't change his behavior. Mohsen1248 (talk) 16:04, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mark once again, I did a little research on this user and apparently he has a long history of making troubles. I have no doubt he is the same person as User:پارسا آملی who had a history of making multiple accounts, he also had other multiple accounts still active like User:Asianleag and User:Elisaeslami and User:Elham.Esmaili and probably much more. This user previously had at least 19 accounts in Persian[REDACTED] and all of them are blocked now and still most of his edits are sourceless. he is still breaking copyright rules by repeatedly adding copyrighted pictures in wikicommons. I don't know if your talk page is a good place or not but I thought I had to report him somewhere. 11:11, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, it may be best to report them to WP:ANI. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:04, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Could you please page protect List of Mayday episodes?

IP editors are putting in things that are either totally unreferenced or made up....William 18:47, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Bill Green (hammer thrower)

I don't understand your edit today.

Are you confirming I am correct in this ongoing dispute with editor "NielN" who appears to have a bias regarding my editing content? I have read the prohibition discussion on Yahoo Contributor Network, but the section used as a reference for "Bill Green (hammer thrower)" is itself bibliographied with six actual book publication sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.6.126.88 (talk) 19:39, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

I haven't taken a side in the dispute, actually. It's important that you avoid edit warring though, please discuss on the talk page instead. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:41, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

I have engaged in extensive talking with "NielN", who ignores my position and forces me to reverse his edits which are made with a clear bias. His opening comments in editing this page a few months ago cited "inflated' and "bloated" "grand" commentary, and he has not let up since using technicalities to quash my content. This current dispute is a classic example, he cites the Misplaced Pages prohibition on the use of Yahoo Contributor Network, while ignoring that the contributor lists six published sources for his listing of the Olympic Games results back to 1900. This is not editorial opinion, it is undisputed historical fact-these are simply the Track and Field results from the Olympic Games! Please advise me as to mechanism for redress of editor bias, and how to reverse the mechanics which make my editing now subject to "submission for approval" (I am fairly new to Misplaced Pages)

I have no bias against the subject but I am biased toward following one of our core guidelines, using reliable sources. These "technicalities" prevent editors with a conflict of interest such as yourself from inserting unreferenced information like "Some of these were formal product endorsement agreements, unprecedented for American hammer throwers at the time." and misrepresenting what sources actually say (Talk:Bill_Green_(hammer_thrower)#Track_and_Field_appeal). As to the latest dispute, instead of edit warring, you need to make your case that you are indeed using a reliable source (not the source you're linking to merely lists reliable sources). --NeilN 22:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, in a situation where we have accurate text sourced to unreliable sources, we must remove it or add reliable sources in its place. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:31, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Imtitanium

Hi Mark. Do you think you might have a minute to do some quick duck culling at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Imtitanium? The most recently reported sock is at this very moment causing trouble again at Bigg Boss 7. —Psychonaut (talk) 19:45, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, sure, I took them both out. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:48, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Hopefully he'll lose interest soon. —Psychonaut (talk) 19:51, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, we can only hope! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Problem with Photos

Hi Mark! I want to upload a photo of Mr. McMahon in the article which I've written for him in my own language. But for uploading photos of a person I think I should have a license for it which I am not able to do it from where I am, I mean I can't get license from WWE! What can I do?Wikitranser (talk) 19:52, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

It all depends, did you personally take the picture you want to add? Mark Arsten (talk) 19:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

No, It's impossible for me. I looked for his photos in Commons but photos were not new and not like his now-old face! Is there any way except what you said? I can't upload it any way?Wikitranser (talk) 20:02, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

You could e-mail the WWE and ask them to release an image under a license that fits with our image use policy. Kind of a longshot, but some people have had it work in the past. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:40, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok! I'm going to take my chance! Could you please tell me which license I should exactly use for photo of a person if I'm successful getting the license from them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikitranser (talk • contribs) 20:50, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

I'd request {{cc-by-3.0}}, but I'm hardly an expert about image licenses. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:55, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Wikitranser (talk) 21:01, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you so much for unblocking me! This means a lot! Do you need anything from me? I owe you one. Just name it and it will be done. I am dead serious. I am so grateful!  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 01:38, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, you must now revert 10 vandals and vote in five article for deletion discussions (just kidding!) Mark Arsten (talk) 01:40, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Lol that's a nice one. Thanks again! By the way, I am kid but not that young.  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 01:45, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

You really shouldn't tell people which grade you're in, if I may give some more advice. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:51, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Ooops, Thanks!  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 02:35, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Probable Tumbleman socks

• 99.113.251.19 (talk · contribs)
• 67.164.137.8 (talk · contribs)

Adding disruptive nonsense at User talk:Tumbleman. 67.164.137.8 highlights usernames before the text of their comment in exactly the same manner as Tumbleman's habitual practice . My guess is it's being done via proxy IP's. Should I file a new report at SPI, or reopen the old one? LuckyLouie (talk) 02:26, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

I think semi protecting their targets might be a better idea here. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:29, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Declines

Just so you know, a decline only refers to the CU request, not to the SPI itself. If there's no CU being requested, you don't need to decline. --Rschen7754 03:56, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:31, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Latrelle

Could you take another look at your close here? The nominators argument was basically that no coverage exists, which the three delete !votes simply agreed with, but then I provided evidence that coverage does exist, which prompted the nominator to apparently agree that it should be kept: "but a page in Vibe (magazine) is generally sufficient for me". Given that the delete arguments have been shown to be incorrect, I don't see how this can be closed as delete without explanation. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 05:37, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

I guess I could let it run another week. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:40, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. --Michig (talk) 05:43, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

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Question re: AIV

Hi Mark, and thanks for all your good work at AIV and NPP, its really appreciated. In recent months I have been doing a lot of reviewing and some vandal patrol. I have brought several IP accounts to AIV. At first most of my 'nominations' were acted upon by Admins but on my last three submissions no action was taken. I believe the last case was examined by you and your feedback was something like 'not enough recent vandalism'. I don't want to waste anyone's time so I thought to ask you what criteria I should use before bringing an IP (or account) to AIV. The criteria I've been using is that the IP had long history of vandalism and had received progressively more stern warnings including a final warning. But it seems there is more that I should be considering in the process. Can you advance my understanding a bit? Thanks.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 13:56, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for working on AIV, we really appreciate it. Basically, the criteria to use is: 1. they've been engaged in obvious vandalism, obvious enough that an admin patrolling AIV can tell it's vandalism just by looking at it. 2. They've been warned, usually we prefer them to have two warnings at minimum, if not more. We can relax that rule if it's really blatant obnoxious vandalism though. 3. Usually, we only block IPs if they have been recently active. How recent is usually a judgment call, but within a few hours is best. In cases of schools or shared IPs that put up a lot of vandalism over time, it may be worth blocking even if it's been a day or two since the last edit.

If you can show me your reports that were declined I can probably explain in more detail why they were declined. Or it could have been a mistake on my part, actually. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:02, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mark, thanks for your willingness to walk through this with me. Here are the ones I'd like feedback on:

• 10/13My report IP’s talk page
• 9/18 My report IP talk page This one is a school so maybe there’s special rules here, that I should know about.
• 9/4 My report IP talk page This is also a school account.

-- — Keithbob • Talk • 21:22, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Looks like only the first one wasn't blocked. It doesn't seem like it engaged in any vandalism after getting your final warning on the 14th, so the report probably was declined as it appears the IP heeded the message. As to why the others were blocked, I guess you'd have to ask the blocking admins to be sure, but I suppose they probably felt it was very likely that disruption would increase since it was a school account. When there are only one recent problematic edit it's possible to block the IP, but a lot of admins, such as myself, are generally hesitant to do so. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:26, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Indiasummer95

Thanks. I don't know why I forgot to actually block the sock puppet account. Reaper Eternal (talk) 19:22, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:28, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

October 2013

No, it's all right. Thank you for reverting it back. I may be an anonymous user here on Misplaced Pages, but I'm quite experienced in editing, I assure you. I defiantly know what I'm doing, so please don't worry.--70.171.81.8 (talk) 01:32, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Alright, sounds good. I would recommend you use edit summaries in the future though. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:34, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

All right. I don't edit a lot on Misplaced Pages, and I never expected that someone was going to revert my edits since the article was pretty much deserted.--70.171.81.8 (talk) 02:09, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Apparent sock

The editor you just blocked may well be back. Figured you'd want to know. MilesMoney (talk) 03:23, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, ping me if he comes back again. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:53, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Noelia

Hello Mark, This is Marcela I want take the opportunity to thank for the contribution by placing a Lock on Noelia's page, I wanted to ask you if possible to Place a Lock again at less for another 15 days, I was review the Article that many people we been working on, and definitely the user " lulusi9" Change and edit several articles, I did as much as could to restore general important information, but is needed please that you can Lock and protect the page again before the vandalize this. Many thanks, ~~Marcela~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicexpert1970 (talk • contribs) 07:28, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't think further protection is warranted for now, let me know if disruption continues. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:56, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Julius Caesar

Hi Mark look like Julius Caesar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) does not semi-protection. It's only one edit, but since it's right after the protection was lifted it shows that semi is probably going to be the best option. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know, we might give it some more time on PC and see how it goes. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:57, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Suhani Pittie

Hello, Mark. I have noticed that you deleted the article about Suhani Pittie, a popular jewellery designer from India. I love her works. She is a definitely notable person according to Misplaced Pages:Notable_people, so I would like to write and publish a good article about her. Could you send me the deleted content of this page. I hope it will be useful for me. I want to check whether it is possible to rewrite it in compliance with the Misplaced Pages guideline. Alexandra Goncharik 13:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't deleted because of notability, but because a blocked or banned editor had created it in violation of their restriction. Since you'd like to work on it, I've restored the article for you. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:52, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit War at The Avengers: Age of Ultron

Hello Mark, I was wondering if you could look into a situation involving the addition of Jeremy Renner at The Avengers: Age of Ultron. The page was recently locked due a edit war between Locke Cole (talk · contribs) and myself. Discussion seems to have result in a consensus not to add Renner at this time. However since the lock has been lifted, Cole has resumed trying to add the disputed content. If not WP:3RR, this seems like violation of WP:1RR due to previous warnings and edit war. Thank you.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:54, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

WP:1RR is not a policy, one does not "violate" it. Having said that, since the page lock and the debate, I'm going to try and hold myself to a WP:1RR on that page (note that on one day I tried adding it three different ways to appease those opposing it, and all three times instead of collaboratively editing, you guys chose reverting instead). Since then I've decided to back off a bit and stick to the talk page, where you guys insist on telling me "it's over" and I've "lost". —Locke Cole • t • c 19:07, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

So far most uninvolved editors seem to be split on the issue when they read the arguments. The regulars on that article though are unanimously against the addition, but on grounds that violate WP:NOR. There are plenty of sources supporting the case that this actor is cast in this role, and so far there are zero sources saying he is not cast (with only a few sources, all gossip/rumor sources, saying the actor had a falling out with the studio). Some of the sources supporting the addition are already in use in the article for other cast members. —Locke Cole • t • c 19:07, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, while you technically didn't break 3RR I would suggest you stay further from the line in the future. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I didn't revert at all, IMO. I tried to appease other editors by providing different ways of stating the situation, and each time I was reverted by a group of regulars at the page (in one edit I even tried moving it down into the production section, so it would be clear that it wasn't being reported by every source). How is simple reversion conducive to resolving the issue (which is all TriiipleThreat (talk · contribs) has brought to the table so far, besides stonewalling the issue on the talk page)? —Locke Cole • t • c 04:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

missing sock notices

Hi, per this SPI it seems that User:Oh boy chicken again and User talk:Oh boy chicken again should have notices like User:KateGompert and User talk:KateGompert. (It may not be appropriate for a non-admin to do this.) vzaak (talk) 17:03, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I've added them, but you were free to do so, actually. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:48, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I just noticed Tumbleman's pages also lack tags. I guess Template:sockpuppeteer is for User:Tumbleman, but I'm not sure what goes in the talk page -- or maybe nothing should go there? (Feel free to do this one too :) vzaak (talk) 13:04, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure the tags are needed because he wasn't indefed just for socking. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:45, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Zahran

1. See the sock puppetry between anon & Zahran80 - are you supporting it? 2. Read WP:MOSDAB and explain how the proposed edits comply with it? I will unprotect it, if you request, but if edits are made such as were before that are not compliant with WP:MOSDAB, I will hold you responsible for them; OK?? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:08, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I see you've gone ahead and taken the resposibility youself; good luck. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:20, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Indefinite full protection was, and still is, grossly inappropriate there, and I strongly suggest you don't protect pages like that in the future. We aren't supposed to protect articles to keep unhelpful edits from ever being made unless there is a history of problems. I'm only seeing a five IP edits this year before your protection, and while they may have violated the MOS, they weren't vandalism either. So even semi-protection seems like a bit of a stretch given that the dab page is rarely edited and hasn't been vandalized recently. Nor do I see any evidence of sockpuppetry, but if you know of any, please do file a report at WP:SPI. As to accusing me of supporting sockpuppetry and threatening to hold me responsible, I suggest you adjust your attitude. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:10, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Page reviewing help

Does this page USB Data Link Cable API meet criteria for speedy deletion or one of the things at WP:ISNOT? I'm confused. ///EuroCarGT 01:12, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, it definitely should be deleted, but I'm not sure that it falls under any of the CSD criteria. There's a chance someone would delete it under G11, but I think PRODing would be the way to do it "by the book". Mark Arsten (talk) 01:16, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Another user already placed a PROD tag, so it's fine now. Thanks! ///EuroCarGT 01:22, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Ahh, it was deleted as copyvio. That's funny, because I plugged a line into google and didn't show any other hits. Guess I need to sharpen my skills there. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:12, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Eleking

Hi.

You closed an RfD on the above article. There was a single vote, to merge. The article is rather large, The character appears in a large number of episodes across various different shows. Merging it while retaining mention of these shows would be quite awkward, and in truth merit separating out again. Please reconsider the closure and repost. I suggest these deletion/merger discussions would garner a lot more attention had there been a notice at the main articles. I certainly would have known of this andcommented a lot sooner.

Thanksμηδείς (talk) 01:30, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, an article being closed as merge doesn't mean the whole article has to be merged. Whoever is maintaining the merge target still gets to exercise editorial judgment. So selective/limited merges are fine. Or I could re-open the Afd so you can comment there, I suppose. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:34, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

My assumption is reopening the AfD without wider notification will end up as my keep versus the existing merge. Given the especial prominence of this monster in various different TV shows over quite a period of time I think a merger is a mistake, since that will associate it with only one show. I would like this re-opened, but I think all the shows in which the creature appears should be templated for the discussion, and I do not know how to do that. μηδείς (talk) 01:46, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I've re-opened it and relisted it so it will run another week. If you like, you can post messages about the Afd on relevant talk pages, as long as your message is neutrally worded. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:51, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there a way actually to template the target page of a merger? I.e., not the talk, but the article itself? μηδείς (talk) 02:08, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, {{Merge from}} exists for that reason, but it's usually just used in merge discussions, not Afds. You could IAR and add it in this case though, I suppose. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:11, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll explain on the various talk pages the overall situation. I appreciate the help. μηδείς (talk) 02:55, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

No prob, let me know if anything else comes up. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:42, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Gauntlett‎ Deletion

Hi Mark,

Would it be allowed for me to gain access to the info in the deleted article Daniel Gauntlett‎ so I can merge some of it with the LASPO article, as discussed in Afd? Perhaps the article could be restored on my user page? Thanks PhilMacD (talk) 12:54, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I've restored the history. You can merge any of it over if you want, just note what you're doing in your edit summary. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:44, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks muchly. PhilMacD (talk) 15:20, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Jeeva Samadhi

Can you take another look at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jeeva Samadhi, for which you suggested more discussion to reach a clearer consensus? It seems there is more consensus now. Dazedbythebell (talk) 14:52, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'll take a look at it next time I go through Afds. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:00, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Janoris Jenkins

But Janoris Jenkins' father IS Steve Smith and he DID get beat like a red-headed step child on 10/20/2013. Why is this locked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mleezy53 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Please try to gain consensus for your proposed changes on the article's talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Why did you delete my post on the International Journal of Learning

Hi Mark. Can you tell me why you deleted the entry on The International Journal of Learning on 22 August 2013? I didn't author the page, but I went to update it and couldn't find it anymore. Thanks, Jamie — Preceding unsigned comment added by JBCGP (talk • contribs) 20:51, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, you can see the reasons for the deletion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The International Journal of Learning. Let me know if you have any questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:55, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Infobox: Jews

Dear Mark Arsten,

I hope you are doing well. Do you have any advice for me as this edit dispute continues? I do not want to engage in an edit war or violate Misplaced Pages rules or policies. However, I am finding it increasingly difficult to engage in meaningful discussion with User:Debresser. While I understand many of my comments were long, I kept them all to the point of discussion--either addressing the content or addressing an editor's concern--and continued to add reliable sources. On the other hand, Debresser kept responding to me with original research and personal experiences. As this continued, it became more frustrating. Is there a better way for me to engage in discussion so that this dispute can be resolved? I appreciate your advice and remind you that I am a new editor still looking for ways to improve. --Precision123 (talk) 21:07, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, the important thing is to discuss the matter and use reliable sources (and stop reverting). You could open an WP:RFC on the talk page to get more input, as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

WeldNeck/No Gun Ri Massacre at Edit War Noticeboard

Thank you, Mark, for your quick attention to this complaint (Declined: This type of dispute is better suited to WP:ANI. Mark Arsten.) But I'm afraid I don't understand how WeldNeck's flood of edits rejecting efforts to restore accuracy to what he has changed, and reverting repeatedly to his error-filled new text, doesn't amount to an edit war. As I read it, an edit war can be something other than a violation of the three-revert-in-24-hours rule. It would seem that scores of edits suddenly done rapid-fire on a well-established article, and that then resist every attempt to correct errors, would qualify.Charles J. Hanley 21:47, 21 October 2013 (UTC) Cjhanley (talk • contribs)

Well, we're dealing with a flurry of edits in August and then a flurry of edits in October. I may have misjudged the issue. Could you make this a little more clear to me which edits were reverts of which edits? Kind of like how I laid out Ryulong's edits here would be great. And of course I invite User:WeldNeck to do the same. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:39, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Surprised

Hello again. I was surprised by your quick closing of my edit warring complaint in this edit. Your conclusion says, "If we're dealing with slow edit warring on multiple pages". You seem to have missed the point that since the template was merged into the article, this is one and the same. Also you mention that "I don't see a 3RR violation", which completely ignores that WP:3RR/N is for any edit warring, including such that does not involve the 3RR rule. Your conclusion that "it seems WP:ANI would be a better place for this discussion" seems in view of all this quite the opposite of the purpose of this noticeboard.

This is the second time in a short time span that you have taken action in a way that in my humble opinion shows a lack of knowledge of the pertaining Misplaced Pages rules. The first time I wrote you here at #Wrong_version, and at Jews/infobox#Protection. I may be wrong completely, so as an editor to an admin, in the spirit of your well chosen words, I would like to ask you to explain your decisions. I admit that I am biased in my own favor in these two cases, so please be so kind to explain to me the things I might not be seeing correctly because of my bias. Debresser (talk) 22:37, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Disregarding 3RR, I'm still not sure I see the edit warring. In your report you listed five diffs, but only three of them were from the editor you were reporting. Were you suggesting that he's engaged in sockpuppetry? If not, looking at both pages as one I only see 3 reverts over 11 days. I don't think that's enough to justify an edit warring block. But if you disagree with my judgment, feel free to open a report on ANI to ask for another admin or admins to evaluate the situation. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

I apologize for making errors in the diffs. Please see the fixed diffs on WP:3RR/N. In light of that mistake of mine (in part a copy&paste error), please reopen the complaint. Debresser (talk) 01:39, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Disengagement

I had and still have no intention of saying anything further on that talk page, from which the owner has banned at least four people in recent weeks. The consequence is that they have yet again got away with shoddy behaviour based on a misreading of others' comments and a misunderstanding of policy. This is something that will eventually be added to the indefinite block proposal. Because that is the way it is going with that person unless someone can get a grip: their attitude has been almost consistently appalling and it has to stop. - Sitush (talk) 02:57, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I just didn't want to see more arguing on his talk page, I wasn't trying to interaction ban you from him. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:39, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Practically all they seem to do is argue: there's some sort of kneejerk "must support my mates" thing going on. That's how they got involved with me at User_talk:Srich32977#Behaviour_at_ANI, butting in with a completely screwed-up and combative comment and then having another go at me when I pointed out that they had the wrong end of the stick. I think that was my first interaction with them and they initiated it. Thankfully, I've no great interest in libertarianism or economics but unless they gain some clue fairly quickly I doubt that this will be the last that they see of me, even though I'll keep off their talk page. (At the rate that they are progressing, everyone will be banned from it before too much longer). - Sitush (talk) 03:52, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, this whole situation is a real mess. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:31, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

ANI revdel

Hey, thanks for cleaning up--don't know why I didn't do the other two. Listen, have a look at the editor's talk page, please; note their response and my edit. Perhaps that needs to be scrubbed as well. And while you're at it, read the article, if you will, and tell me if I'm missing something. Appreciate it, Drmies (talk) 04:46, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I've posted on his talk page. From what I understand of the saga, this individual was basically known for posting highly offensive, yet legal, content. I don't think it's fair to describe him as a pedophile. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:01, 22 October 2013 (UTC)