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Point-y subsections
Hi, you've been asked before not to insert point-y subsection headings at various venues - WP:RSN was one that I can still recall. Specifico was similarly requested (not by me). Any chance you can avoid doing this sort of thing, which nearly always seems to serve to draw emphasis to your opening statements? There may indeed sometimes be a need to break up a long section - the so-called "arbitrary break" - but neither of these sections were long at the point where you inserted the subheading. Ta. - Sitush (talk) 14:36, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- When one veers off to another topic, one needs another section. When it starts as a reply to something in a section, I assumed it needs to be a subsection. Does it need to be it's own section? I have no problem with that. But if issues need discussing, they do and dismissing them as pointy is just silly. But please bring these matters up on talk pages where I can find out what others think. Thanks. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:16, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- No worries. I can't be arsed arguing. The issue is without doubt going to Arbcom. I'll come out of that ok: your mud simply will not stick because it is flying in the face of my widely-accepted "net positive" behaviour. On the other hand, I doubt very much that you or any of the other regulars - Srich and Bink aside - will come out of it without at least topic bans and probably worse. It is likely to be a tricky holiday period, for those taking holidays, and I'd suggest that you start compiling your diffs now because ArbCom simply will not accept the sort of stuff you have been saying without them. - Sitush (talk) 17:44, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- Given that this is not a primary area of interest for you and you haven't been involved long, I don't think you really understood all the history and all the debates that have been had and need to be had. So your standing seems to more as a person who feels they've been dissed by some editors on a few issues. However, the issues really are clear and I am very confidant of my diffs on a variety of policies since I've been collecting them for months and have them nicely organized. You have 7-8 months of catching up to do on on 20 odd articles, tens of thousands of words and couple of thousand diffs. If you really have a problem with the narrower issues you've gotten upset about, take it to WP:ANI again. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 20:57, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- If you have the diffs then that is great. At ArbCom you get 500 words for your presentation, only occasionally with some leeway given. But, please, do not suggest things such as that I do not know all the history because that would be another example of broad-brush assumption on your part and you'll likely get roasted. One does not have to participate in order to have knowledge and to use it. You are a whining, drama-laden bully, Carol, let's face it. The saving grace is that you are a whining etc bully among a group of whining etc bullies from various perspectives and thus to a large extent cancel each other out. Want the diffs? - Sitush (talk) 01:09, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- Why are you in such a hurry to short circuit mediation in an issue you are not even involved in, as I just wrote on Adjwilley's survey page: Also, in mediation it's helpful to focus on issues and not personalities, so this format may have been doomed from the start. If AdjWilly wants to try again, let's list the non-behavioral policy issues that may be aggravating personality issues. As I started to do here in suggesting the dispute resolution noticeboard 5 weeks ago. For example, editors as "experts" and non-academic purpose of Misplaced Pages; real meaning of fringe" and mainstream; how to look at sources that are experts in their fields but all associated loosely through one or more organizations; meaning of WP:Balance and WP:Undue, etc. etc.
- If you started an Arbitration, I think that my main contribution would be to ask ArbCom to send it back to mediation since real mediation hasn't really been given a chance and it seems strange that editors uninvolved in the actual substantive issues in the articles are trying to short-circuit attempts by going to ArbCom. It's sad there isn't more of a focus on mediation in Misplaced Pages, it can be hard to find mediators, etc. I should have pushed harder myself. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- If you have the diffs then that is great. At ArbCom you get 500 words for your presentation, only occasionally with some leeway given. But, please, do not suggest things such as that I do not know all the history because that would be another example of broad-brush assumption on your part and you'll likely get roasted. One does not have to participate in order to have knowledge and to use it. You are a whining, drama-laden bully, Carol, let's face it. The saving grace is that you are a whining etc bully among a group of whining etc bullies from various perspectives and thus to a large extent cancel each other out. Want the diffs? - Sitush (talk) 01:09, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- Given that this is not a primary area of interest for you and you haven't been involved long, I don't think you really understood all the history and all the debates that have been had and need to be had. So your standing seems to more as a person who feels they've been dissed by some editors on a few issues. However, the issues really are clear and I am very confidant of my diffs on a variety of policies since I've been collecting them for months and have them nicely organized. You have 7-8 months of catching up to do on on 20 odd articles, tens of thousands of words and couple of thousand diffs. If you really have a problem with the narrower issues you've gotten upset about, take it to WP:ANI again. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 20:57, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Don't post on my talk page anymore
Your postings have been consistently negative, hostile and, yes, bullying and I experience them as harassing. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:20, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
- For my records response. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 17:31, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
S---------, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship
Reserving a space for a future edit. – S. Rich (talk) 03:43, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- One can never tell, with proper mediation :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 04:28, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- There is a half-barnstar waiting, so don't blow the chance. A more positive and proactive response is needed. – S. Rich (talk) 04:59, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- i.e., someone has to do a Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation? Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 05:09, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- No. Steeletrap is reaching out (even now) for a discussion which does not involve personalities. Reply, "yes, Steeletrap, I think we can discuss these issues without involving personalities, agendas, etc. Every comment will be stridently confined to the four-corners of the particular edit (because I think you are so lovable)." – S. Rich (talk) 05:17, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- Personalities is not the #1 problem. Until policy issues are settled I have NO idea what % of problem is personalities. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:48, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- No. Steeletrap is reaching out (even now) for a discussion which does not involve personalities. Reply, "yes, Steeletrap, I think we can discuss these issues without involving personalities, agendas, etc. Every comment will be stridently confined to the four-corners of the particular edit (because I think you are so lovable)." – S. Rich (talk) 05:17, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- i.e., someone has to do a Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation? Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 05:09, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- There is a half-barnstar waiting, so don't blow the chance. A more positive and proactive response is needed. – S. Rich (talk) 04:59, 13 December 2013 (UTC)