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Comment, This short edit was made to distinguish between "science" wiki-pages and "arts" wiki-pages which are presently not separately discussed in this article. If you have the current stats file for the number of wiki-pages for each scale of classification (number of A-class articles, B-class, C-class, etc) then the edit could be completely rewritten. BillMoyers (talk) 20:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Recent edit at abortion

Just letting you know I reverted your addition of info from that 2013 article. As I explained in the edit summary, the page, and the section in question, discusses abortion incidence worldwide and should not include single-country data. I'm also not sure the source is very high quality. We are better off, where possible, relying on sources like high-quality medical journals such as The Lancet, or international health org stats such as produced by WHO. If you want to discuss further, i suggest you raise it on the article talk page. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 00:42, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't have approached this in that way, but i have set out my objections at the article talk page.hamiltonstone (talk) 01:24, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Abortion is under a one revert restriction. If you continue to revert you may loss your ability to edit. Please read WP:MEDRS regarding refs. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:32, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Updates from new manual.

1)Article as a whole appears to completely overlook the comparison and relationship of this diagnosis with "Personality Disorders" as presented in ICD10 and DSM5, the discussion is completely missing. 2)Lede does not mention relevance of associated personality disorders to Schiz. diagnosis and treatment. 3)"Schneiderian" classification should be discussed under "History" section. It is secondary to both the ICD10 and the DSM5 classification categories and the section should reflect this. It presently does not appear in discussion until section 4 here as "Diagnosis". 4)"Causes" subsection completely ignored personality disorders; possible correction may be with a new subsection, or as a subsection to present "Genetics" subsection; Or, possibly under "Developmental" 5) Very scant "Psychological" subsection under "Mechanisms" compared to "Neurological" subsection; Personality Disorders completely ignored in this subsection. 6) "Diagnosis" opening paragraph in subsection mentions only DSM4 and needs to be updated; no mention is made of disagreements and contrasts between DSM5 and ICD10 regarding "Schiz." diagnosis and assessment. 7)"Diagnosis" subsection on "Criteria" is outdated and does not mention DSM5 updates for schizophrenia. 8)"Diagnosis" subsection on "Subtypes" is outdated to DSM5 and needs to be re-drafted. ICD-10 classifies the DSM-5 schizotypal personality disorder as a form of schizophrenia rather than as a personality disorder.

Hello User:R and User:S, Yes we all know it is an FA article, and we all know that it is under the shadow of becoming increasingly obsolete if the DSM5 transition edits issues are left unaddressed. If you are somehow suggesting that FA articles should be artificially protected against the progress of time, then I am not sure that is as realistic as DSM5 editors would normally expect. Your comment on "high-quality journal reviews" cannot possibly refer to the use of the journal "Neuroimage" which is a journal of considerable academic standing. Your ascription that Dr. Glover and Dr. Menon are not of a high quality of research must be very carefully worded since these are living authors with significant standing in the medical community. The current edit by Rob Hurt is verified and worth restoring. BillMoyers (talk) 19:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Since forty to sixty percent of all psychiatric diagnosis, including schizophrenia, include a second co-diagnosis of at least one of the personality disorders, it is no longer practical to completely isolate the discussion of Schizophrenia from Personality Disorder as it may have been done in the past before DSM5. Both the differential diagnosis and direct diagnosis of schizophrenia have been influenced by the DSM-5 re-organization of personality disorders into "Clusters." In contrast to DSM-4, the updated DSM-5 published in 2013 now lists personality disorders in exactly the same way as other mental disorders such as schizophrenia, rather than on a separate 'axis' as previously. DSM-5 lists ten personality disorders, grouped into three clusters. Of the three clusters, "Cluster A" is directly relevant to the diagnosis and treatment of schizophrenia as ICD-10 indicates that the schizotypal personality disorder is a form of schizophrenia, and DSM-5 lists this personality disorder alongside schizophrenia in the section on "Schizophrenia Spectrum and Other Psychotic Disorders" along with a second listing of it in the separate section on "Personality Disorders." "Cluster A" includes the three personality disorders: Paranoid personality disorder, Schizoid personality disorder, and Schizotypal personality disorder.

Modern assessment and the ICD-10 definition

Historically, the discussion of schizophrenia dates back at least to Freud and Schneider, yet was substantially refined in 1990 by the ICD-10 definition of schizophrenia. In ICD-10, schizophrenia became defined as covering a range of specifications which included paranoid schizophrenia (F20.0), hebephrenic schizophrenia (F20.1), catatonic schizophrenia (F20.2), undifferentiated schizophrenia (F20.3), post-schizophrenic depression (F20.4), residual schizophrenia (F20.5), and simple schizophrenia (F20.6). In its most general form, ICD-10 states that, "The schizophrenic disorders are characterized in general by fundamental and characteristic distortions of thinking and perception, and by inappropriate or blunted affect. Clear consciousness and intellectual capacity are usually maintained, although certain cognitive deficits may evolve in the course of time. The disturbance involves the most basic functions that give the normal person a feeling of individuality, uniqueness, and self-direction." BillMoyers (talk) 18:41, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

FA work

Hi Bill, I saw you dropped a note on my User Talk regarding work on an FA article. What was the article and what did you have in mind? I can't say I can commit to a ton of work but there's a specific section you'd like input on I'd be happy to try to do that. I am watching your User Talk page so just go ahead and reply here. Zad68 18:01, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Zad; Appreciate your getting back to me on this topic. It is the "Schizophrenia" page which is an FA. The main topic now is that the central diagnostic manual DSM-5 has just been upgraded to replace the out-moded, ten year old DSM-4 manual. However, just about the entirety of the wikipage is still written with references almost only to the DSM-4. Therefore what makes sense now is to do a "search and identify" of all the references made to DSM-4 (the old version), enumerate them, and then let the general edit community do the upgrade transition edits to DSM-5 (the new and current version) by listing them sequentially as a group on an FA review. Your user page posted stars for 2 GA medical articles, and maybe an FA article upgrade star would look good next to them. What do you think? BillMoyers (talk) 14:12, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

OK Bill... although I'd love a FA gold star, updating Schizophrenia to use the new DSM-5 wouldn't get me one, unfortunately. I agree that the article needs to be updated to use DSM-5. I see you made some edits to the article along that line but got reverted, which can be frustrating. But, the good news is that the editors who reverted you, like Jmh649 (Doc James) and Casliber, are some of our most experienced and proficient medical and science article editors. I also see you started a section on the Talk page there but unfortunately haven't gotten anybody to join you in discussion there. Casliber has started making DSM-5 changes. I think the best thing to do would be to try get more engagement on the Talk page. I don't have access to DSM-5 at the moment but it looks like Casliber and Doc James will be getting it soon. Don't worry if the updates aren't made right away, there's no deadline on our articles. Zad68 03:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

User name

Your user name is the same as a well-known person, Bill Moyers. You need to follow the procedures under "real name" or request a change of user name. TFD (talk) 22:46, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

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This is a common name and has been validated following the Misplaced Pages filter test of names when issued. Misplaced Pages policy for common names has worked and works on a system of "first requested, first served." BillMoyers (talk) 06:55, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Your request on my talk page.

Hi BillMoyers! Look what I found here: http://faculty.psy.ohio-state.edu/bruno/PDF%20files/Schizophrenia%20and%20Other%20Psychotic%20Disorders%20pg297-315.pdf

3RR

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Refs

Hey Bill. Per WP:MEDRS this does not appear to be an appropriate reference source. Best. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 03:08, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

1. Saß, H. (2001). "Personality Disorders," pp. 11301-11308 in Smelser, N. J. & Baltes, P. B. (eds.) International encyclopedia of the social & behavioral sciences, Amsterdam: Elsevier doi:10.1016/B0-08-043076-7/03763-3 ISBN 978-0-08-043076-8
2. ^ American Psychiatric Association (2013). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Fifth ed.). Arlington, VA: American Psychiatric Publishing. pp. 645–684, 761–781. ISBN 978-0-89042-555-8.
3. ICD-10. http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-ps01.html