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Non-notable organization failing WP:ORG and WP:GNG. Previously deleted via an AfD, and no evidence that things have changed. Article is created by an account with a WP:COI, and is very heavily promotional to boot ("Aims and Objective" being an obvious example). Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 23:44, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

• Previous AfD located at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Muslim Students' Organization of India. If consensus is to delete, then I suggest this, and all possible alternative titles, are salted. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 23:46, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:26, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• Delete and salt as another repost based on unreliable sources. In fact, the same unreliable sources that were an issue last time - the last AfD doesn't tell the whole story as the version of the article at that time was weeks after I removed the unreliable sources, tagged the article for citation needed and scoured the web for anything I can find. All these "sources" here are the same as the ones before. Seriously, take a look...TwoCircles which isn't reliable as discussed at the RS noticeboard here, the organization's own website, SunniCity and Siasat (which was also brought up and shot down at the RS noticeboard multiple times), a one-sentence mention in The Hindu...actually this was already discussed at the old article's talk page and the last AfD, I almost feel silly going into this much detail. Burn it down like Carthage and salt the earth. MezzoMezzo (talk) 17:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• And regarding the COI...let's just come out with it. This article was created by User:Msoamu, who just came off a six month topic ban from this very topic for POV pushing and edit warring. This organization's nickname is MSO, and it was founded at Aliargh Muslim University, often abbreviated AMU. In fact this organization, on some press releases on its website, refers to itself as "MSO AMU." I mean...seriously, this is just blatant advertising for an org with no proven notability, the guy behind this account could be the only active member. We don't know because there simply isn't any extensive coverage as required by WP:GNG. MezzoMezzo (talk) 17:14, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• Redirect to Syed Muhammad Amin Miya Quadri Barkaati, and mention in that article as one sentence. Professor Syed Muhammad Amin Miya Quadri Barkaati is apparently patron-in-chief and president of the national executive council. When I searched for Muslim Students Organization of India on Google, I got huge numbers of hits - lots of false positives. When I searched for "Muslim Students Organization of India" in inverted commas, I got 3 hits with the "s" spelling, and 15 with the "z" spelling. But even then some were false positives. If the article becomes a redirect, it will be easy to monitor whether someone is recreating the article.--Toddy1 (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• The thing is... with such a non-notable organization being so eager to promote itself, I'm not even sure I trust their own website on a claim like that. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 22:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• I just found a Facebook group for this org...can't say much without respecting privacy, but there are at least four members in the group and this new Misplaced Pages article was being promoted on there December 21st, the same day User:Msoamu created it. I really don't trust anything from their site, it could just be a handful of guys trying to start a student group and using Misplaced Pages as a springboard. MezzoMezzo (talk) 15:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

• Delete and salt Mainly copyvio most of which I've deleted (as is another article he created recently. Dougweller (talk) 08:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

• Strong keep-This Page was on[REDACTED] for many years and was deleted when Mezzomezzo removed its content ,and tagged it for Deletion.The official website might not be working at that time but I have found it www.msoofindia.net is very much active.

Mezzomezzo in the past has nominated almost all of the Article of Barelvi category for deletion but was unsuccessful.The MSO of India Page was deleted with the following last comment from a neutral editor that

• If the organization is so moribund, and WP:RS so impossible to find, why does Google News reveal this hit from August 17 of this year? Wait, I see the news item is actually attributed to "Shujaat Ali Quadri ,National Secretary , MSO of India" at the bottom. So this is in fact some kind of news release? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:27, 14 September 2013 (UTC) and the

Mezzomezzo who had nominated the page for deletion had claimed that There is only one reliable sourced on this organization, consisting of only four sentences. I spent more than a week trying to findanything else and couldn't..... MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:15, 14 September 2013 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Muslim_Students%27_Organization_of_India

Now With all due regards to neutral Wikipedians I would like to submit that this article belongs to a prominent organisation of the country which gets regular Media coverage in National Papers and TV channels and in Regional,Local Media.I would like to tell two Important points to readers that this organisation belongs to Indian Muslims who though great in numbers but are in minority here,they don't have news channels,news papers and magazines which can be said truly main stream.They get coverage by mainstream media only on controversial issues.Only results of Three websites comes under Google News like Twocircles.net,www.ummid.com ,www.milligazette.com while others like Muslimmorrir.com,Indiatomorrow.com www.sunnicity.com etc are not shown on google news.The community gets its voice covered in only Urdu language papers.The Milligazette is a only English language fortnightly and Two circle is only famous and prominent News site run by Indian Muslims.MSO which has organised mega rallies and conferences all over India,got extensive Media coverage,having strong network of its cadre,strong relationship with other bodies of Sufi community.I have tried to solve the copyright and POV issues and added many reliable and third party sources.Other neutral editors can also improve the Article accordingly.Msoamu (talk) 11:16, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

• User:Msoamu, all you did was add some more blog links and citations to the organization's own website. You're also in violation of Misplaced Pages:Canvassing with all the people you're tagging for this AfD. This is exactly the kind of behavior that got you topic banned in the first place. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:18, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• Actually, if you look at this AfD's history, s/he isn't canvassing; s/he instead appears to be copypasting other people's comments into this discussion, complete with signatures (that's a new one). Anyway, redirect to Mawlid. Erpert 05:58, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

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