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Hi, several people from the baseball wikiproject are getting together after Wizardman's sudden retirement to figure out a better way to organize the Wikiproject. One of the ideas we came up with is having our own IRC channel to help each other, as well as new users with collaboration and content. If you need help connecting to IRC join #wikipedia-coffeehouse . The IRC channel for Wikiproject Baseball is #wiki-baseball . Thanks Secret 22:59, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for the offer, but I'm afraid I'm not planning to use IRC. Northern Antarctica (talk) 03:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Me or User:Go Phightins! can help you out in connecting. IRC isn't as bad as it once were. Secret 17:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'd prefer to not join. Northern Antarctica (talk) 17:10, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Speak with you!?

I'm registering this complaint about your thoughtless uncivil accusation of "hypocrisy". I have no desire to conduct conversation with anyone so thoughtless and falsely accusing as you. (Don't flatter yourself.) My point at Hahc21's RfA is that a person wanting admin should do better than chronic and frequent spelling errors, since that can leave negative impression on a new user. And to a new user, an admin virtually represents WP. I'm not running for RfA, Hahc21 is. (What? Did you think I'm ready to condemn anyone who ever makes a spell error?! So you come down on a spell error of mine and claim I am therefore "hypocritical"!? If I'd take a position that spelling errors are verboten by anyone, and if I see a misspelling by someone I will jump on them for it, that would be the position of a kook -- and you know that. So you made a misreading of the point I made at that RfA, and the only thing I'm wondering was whether it was intentional on your part, or, just a sample of sloppy thinking and lack of civility on your part to go off and accuse someone of "hypocrisy" because you consider RfA just as much as an irresponsible cesspool as ANI, so no-holds barred, you can say any *shit* you please there about anyone, and there are no repercusions. Well I'm here chiding your ass, so that is at least some repercusion. (Don't worry though -- you can continue to send insults and false uncivil accusations my way to your heart's content ... knowing that I despise the cesspool quality of ANI and have stated numerous times that I will never open a thread there. So you're safe and in the clear to continue what you're doing, Mr. Civility Enforcer!) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 17:51, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

I think that if you would stop over-dramatizing everything I say, you might realize that it's quite reasonable to suggest that when calling someone out for spelling mistakes, you should probably make a bit more effort than usual to verify that your own spelling is accurate. After all, you didn't mind lecturing Hahc21 about proofreading. Northern Antarctica (talk) 18:13, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Are you that dense? That you can't understand my point after reading it several times? (I have no obligation or expectation from others to spell correctly outside of article space. He as admin-wannabe, does. I am not running for admin. So the expectation of better spelling doesn't fall on me, as you would have it. Then you use the false and misapplied obligation/expectation, as evidence of my "hypocrisy". You don't think properly apparently, and it isn't my job to correct your thinking process. But it is my right to come to your Talk and complain of your baseless insults and incivility through your sloppiness or inability to think or whatever accounts for it. You have no right to insult me because your thinking or reading is dysfunctional. Your willingness to insult baselessly and sloppily as you do, reveals to me that your concept of CIV sucks. And your enforcement efforts of same on the WP are a sham. That's my opinion. You should "shut up your face" if you can't be responsible and civil. (Or, has the general incivility of this place caught your fancy, and you just like being uncivil in ways not corralled by straight, incomplete, dyfunctional dumbed-down WP CIV policy based only on name-calls!?) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 18:33, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

In retrospect, I shouldn't have said what I said. I can admit that. You have made some very valid points that I should have taken into account before my original comment. Still, you don't need to freak out every time someone says something you don't like. It's become extremely hard to take anything you write seriously because you fly off the handle at the slightest provocation. Also, I do not appreciate having my 25,000+ contributions to Misplaced Pages ignored while I am accused of trolling by someone who's yelling at me. I also find your insults to be quite unwelcome. Yes, perhaps I interpreted your posts differently than you wanted. That doesn't mean I am unable to think. It could mean that you didn't thoroughly think through what you wrote before you wrote it (and I'll admit that I'm guilty of the same thing sometimes). If you don't want to be called a hypocrite, don't go around posting angry rants (which you've been doing for a while) — while simultaneously lecturing on civility — and don't be unnecessarily negative (i.e. calling Hahc21 an 'admin-wannabe' – that's generally a pejorative remark). You have no right to judge my ideas on civility while you refuse to even treat me like a human being.

In the future, I am going to try and refrain from making stupid remarks like the one that started this entire brouhaha. Regardless of if you're willing to accept it, I apologize for misdiagnosing the situation and needlessly inflaming it. Northern Antarctica (talk) 19:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Northern, from my POV, I entered a !vote at an RfA, I got questioned by Status on relevancy, I answered. I got explanation from the candidate about their frequency of misspellings, which I found wanting, and explained how the response from the candidate really was not satisfactory. Then you come in, and start calling me "hypocritical" without basis. (So, you got some flak back.) I really do not think it a good idea that you & I should discuss things further, after looking at the points you are attempting to make above. (It will go nowhere. Want some little examples? You are clearly stating above, that it is justifiable to call me "hypocrite" in future, if I make "angry rants". Ignoring for the moment whether my blow-back has been "angry", or qualifies as "rant" ... since when does definition of hypocrite incorporate "making angry rants"? Your facts and logic are bullshit to me, as is much of your other stuff; so I don't think it's productive that you and I discuss things in detail. The fact you characterize accusing someone of "hypocrisy" as "something don't like" and a "slight provocation" shows that you & I have completely different value systems -- for example, you do not get to value-judge how I feel about someone calling me "hypocrite" as "slight" -- that is my call and you have no right to insist your opinion about the severity should override mine.) In the end what you do is your business ... I'm not trying to change you or the hostile and abusive culture of WP that to me you have clearly adopted unquestioningly as so many here have who use templated ethics like TL;DR and BOOMERANG which amount to simple ad hominmen. How you treat others is none of my business. But if you falsely accuse this editor, and/or accuse me of "hypocrisy" ... it is something more for me than "not liking it" ... I'll be here to ask you to back it up, ripping you a new one intellectually if that is what you insist. Cheers, and good luck. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 21:07, 9 March 2014 (UTC) p.s. If you really want to discuss further, OK. But how to proceed? You have a laundry list of complaints about me, and, you are the aggressor at that RfA, you initiated the trouble, not me. You're picking on me with the "admin-wannabe" complaint, when that isn't necessarily any insult and I personally would never construe that as an insult, only colloquial, but I just think you like to find something to pick on, while minimizing calling me a hypocrite, because you are defensive and don't like to get blow-back. (Indeed, your behavior at that RfA is perfectly consistent with the shit-culture that WP has crusted long before I ever signed up as editor. So normally you would never get any blow-back for your irresponsible comments, and, I guess, that makes you think that your behavior is fine, since it is consistent with the culture here. I simply reject that culture of abuse and hostility regarded as "norm". So blow-back. And it surprised you. And you get defensive. Because what you did is "accepted" here. But it is thoughtless. Yet you have accused me further, characterizing my !vote as "thoughtless". So you see ... you & I are just coming from two very different spaces. I demand responsibility for your words. You demand freedom to say whatever crap you want to. Then you stop and apologize when the lone editor comes your way and gives you flak for it. And promise to change. You won't change. You are part of the sick culture here. You fit in what is considered "the norm" here. I just reject that. I'm a "shock" to your "system". Simple!) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 21:25, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Look, here's the deal from my vantage point: I said something stupid. I was wrong. You overreacted significantly and harshly. You were wrong. Both of us could have handled this situation better. Considering that this started over a typo, it's reached a fairly ridiculous level. Prior hostilities between the two of us certainly contributed to this incident, helping it get blown out of proportion. I don't think it's necessary to draw such overarching conclusions, but you are free to disagree on that. I'd prefer to be able to talk to you in a civil manner in the future (I don't think we will agree on everything or even on most things, but let's both make the effort to disagree in a more collegial manner). Hopefully that is agreeable to you. This entire incident has been regrettable and I hope the arguing is over. Northern Antarctica (talk) 02:06, 10 March 2014 (UTC)