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FYI

Argumentum ad populum makes for a lousy reason to decide one way or the other in a content dispute. If many articles are wrong, changing another to match the wrongness isn't exactly a good thing. Now, that's if many articles are wrong. I'm always open to the possibility that I'm off base, and have started a discussion at WT:CYC to figure that out. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 03:21, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Cricket

To the lovely Softlavender, Re. Cricket and your kind advice and encouragement: I am at a loss as to how to cite a t.v segment. I have noticed that the particular one in question has been removed from Youtube, due to copyright issues. I happen to be aware of the Cricket segment in the programme because I had it recorded in 1986. I wish I knew a solution to this. I loved Ian Charleson, saw him in Guys and Dolls at the National. He was a very loved and treasured man amongst his cohorts, as you know. ~ Damien in Ireland. DamienSlattery 02:54, 3 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Damslattery (talk • contribs)

South Pacific

I don't have the script. Melanesia and Polynesia overlap, and both are in the south Pacific. I think the children in the current revival are darker than R&H intended, but maybe it helps the production make the point about racial prejudice to modern audiences who would not be very shocked at seeing half-polynesian children. Clearly they are supposed to be half-something. I wouldn't sweat it, although I would be in favor of using the word "half", as Emile is their father. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

South Pacific

Though the island where the story takes place is not specifically mentioned, it pretty much has to be New Caledonia or the New Hebrides (Vanuatu): French settlers, near the Solomon Islands. (French Polynesia is several thousand kilometers further east.)

New Caledonia and the New Hebrides are is definitely part of Melanesia. So De Becque's "native" wife would have been Melanesian.

OTOH New Caledonia has absorbed a large number of immigrants under French rule - today only about 44% of the population is Melanesian. There are some Polynesians.

My guess is that Hammerstein simply didn't know the difference.

The correction on my part was pedantic and unnecessary.

There are also some Vietnamese in New Caledonia. Note that "Bloody Mary" is "Tonkinese" - not a native of New Caledonia, but an immigrant from northern Vietnam, another French colony. --Rich Rostrom (Talk) 23:16, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Problems printing out Misplaced Pages pages

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I'm not able to print out more than one page of any given Misplaced Pages article. This has never happened before these last few days, and I'm not experiencing this problem on any other site. Can someone check this out, and advise? Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 13:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

My first impulse is to have you check the printer defaults - is it set to print all pages, or just "Current page" or a specific page number? Does it just print the first (or last) page, or something in the middle? If you have the "Download as PDF" option next to the "Printable version" link on the left, you might consider doing that - get a PDF of the page, then print it directly. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 13:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

The above seems good advice, plus the obvious - have you tried turning off and back on?

I will cancel this 'helpme' for now; if you are still having trouble after trying the above, please use another helpme, but please give more information - what operating system are you using, what browser and version, and what, exactly are you doing, ie which page, and how are you going about trying to print it, etc. Good luck,  Chzz  ►  16:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

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I'm not able to print out more than one page of any given Misplaced Pages article. This has never happened previous to these last few days, and I'm not experiencing this problem on any other site -- my printer prints all multiple pages of all other sites I print from. Printer defaults are fine; I've tried turning the printer on and off and "rebooting" the printer, etc. This is problem with printing out multiple Misplaced Pages pages has persisted for several days. Could someone verify that they can print out a multiple-page Misplaced Pages article today? Windows XP; IE8. I'm attempting to print in all the possible ways to print, and I still only get one page on any Misplaced Pages article. I wish to have this resolved, not use a PDF version, Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 23:34, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

When you say 'one page', do you literally mean just a single sheet of paper? Do you get any error message, or anything like that? What type of printer is it? And, if you do click 'download as PDF' on the left, then open and print that, what happens? Sorry to ask so many questions, but it does help narrow it down. I do not know of any known issues, currently; I am also asking around about it.  Chzz  ►  00:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

One more; can you log out of Misplaced Pages, and try to print it?  Chzz  ►  00:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

How many pages does the "print preview" show in IE8? FWIW, I've just tried a 6 page document and it prints fine in both IE8 and FF3.6.8, either as an IP or logged in. Maybe your IE8 is a little corrupted, not all sites use a different print layout to the screen, Misplaced Pages does - more than likely by using a different CSS style sheet, so it does not matter which "skin" you use to view, the printed version is always the same - also therefore try clearing your temp internet files, you may have a bad "printer.css" file stuck there.  Ronhjones  00:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Just dropping by to let you know I've tried printing a[REDACTED] page today (with multiple sheets) on Windows XP; IE8, worked fine, both for the[REDACTED] printable version and the normal browser version, couldn't see any settings that might cause your problem, either. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Good luck! Spitfire 00:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Final note: I'm just going to give up on it now, because today I ordered a new computer (Win 7) and will probably soon get a new printer as well. Maybe the situation will be fixed on them. Also, confusingly, just now I have been trying the various options of logged in, logged out, new features, old features, and oddly three times I have been able to get a multi-page printout from a Wiki article, but if I try again later wth the same configuration it doesn't work. I'll try the temp file clearing again (I tried that two days ago, didn't help) and see if it helps, but for the time being I'll just use PDF and then try again in a week or so with my new system. Thanks all -- I'll just take the help notice off for now. Softlavender (talk) 01:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

RfD

You seem to be repeatedly placing an RfD tag on Greg Pritchard without a corresponding discussion so that, when one clicks on the link, one is left bemused. Please see WP:RFD#HOWTO. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Not my error. The September 12 RfD discussions are not showing up yet on the roster, but they are there. See Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 September 12. Please leave the RfD tag -- it was properly placed, as was the discussion, and must stay on the redirect per Misplaced Pages policy. Softlavender (talk) 10:44, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

After Aida:

Please see my comments on the "talk page": Talk:After Aida. Viva-Verdi (talk) 04:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

RMK

Thanks for your expansion of Reichsmusikkammer - I don't have the background knowledge to expand it as much as I'd like (or the time to gain such knowledge), but I think the relationship of music and politics is really important, so I was glad to see someone else take it. :) Roscelese (talk) 19:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Opera related cats

I'm concerned about some of the changes you have been making to the cats in opera related articles. For example, it's our policy at WP:WikiProject Opera to include Category:Operas on all articles on operas, reguardless of opera genre (i.e. singspiel, dramma giocoso, opera-comique, operetta, etc.) This way we have a cat which includes all of these pages together. I am not necessarily beholden to this practice, but you are now creating inconsistancies within the opera categorization scheme that everyone else is following. I would suggest un-doing what you have done for now, and bringing up any changes you feel would be better at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Opera. That way we will all be on the same page again. Cheers.4meter4 (talk) 08:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I hear you, however I'm not going to personally re-add Opera and Operetta to the 150 articles I have subcategorized, because it took hours to subcategorize them, and to add the supercategories along with subcategories violates the principles of WP:CAT as I understand them. Besides, as you say, that convention is not followed consistently — none of the Yiddish operettas followed that, and lots of operas and operettas fall through the cracks — and consistency, logic, and following general Misplaced Pages policy is always better than inconsistency in my mind. Also, it makes it look like all or some (impossible to tell which, which is a major part of the problem) of the operettas in the Operetta Category have not been subcategorized. Softlavender (talk) 09:05, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Baron Golosh

You asked: What language is Baron Golosh in?

English. The piece is loosely adaptated from L'Oncle Celestin by Edmond Audran, a French piece. But Baron Golosh appears to be so loosely adapted that I think it's fair to say that it is a new work with some music by Audran. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Sir George Greenwood was not an Oxfordian. Is there a page listing the notable anti-Stratfordians? If so I suppose he should go there. Someday I think I'll create List of notable Stratfordians, but I'm waiting until they give me a dedicated server. Tom Reedy (talk) 16:52, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Operetta

I added some references. I also removed some material that was not only unreferenced but, IMO, either very dubious or just tangential, like the rather long and random list of musicals that was there. That article is terribly under-referenced, and I think it is better to say nothing at all than to keep so much unreferenced stuff in it. I think the English language section and "Definitions" sections are tighter now (and certainly better referenced), and less is more, unless there is some really relevant, well-referenced stuff out there. I hope you had a nice break. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind if you delete the Bernstein quote. Sonheim has also said silly stuff about opera/operetta/musicals. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Chart of classical composers

I'm watching Kleinzach's talk page and noticed your question – take your pick from Category:Classical composers timeline templates. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:34, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Heine

You are very wrong about Heine not being a music critic, his writings on music for the journals of the time are extensive. His comments on M's 'naivete' are about over-sophistication, not about his faith - I therefore took out the quote you added re Mendelssohn and Judaism because that belongs to a discussion of M.'s religion, not his music. Could be reinserted when I expand the section on his religion. Best, --Smerus (talk) 19:33, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Smerus, I was going by the chapter in Larry Todd's book, where Leon Botstein states "Heine was neither a musician nor a music critic ..." (p. 352). More to the point -- whether Heine had any skill as a music critic or not -- is his objectivity, or rather lack thereof; as my edit summary states: "is Heine really even a valid disinterested music critic here? He seems to have had a lot of agendas of his own".

To quote Heine on Mendelssohn:

I feel malice against him because of the way he pretends to Christianity. I cannot forgive this man, whose independence is assured by financial circumstances, for serving the Pietists with his great, enormous talent. The more acutely I become aware of the significance of the latter, the angrier I become at its vile misuse. If I had the good fortune to be a grandson of Moses Mendelssohn, I would truly not devote my talent to setting the piss of the Lamb of God to music! ... I write all this to you with premeditation and in detail, so that later you can understand the grounds for my quarrel with Mendelssohn .... ~~ Todd, p. 356. (Botstein goes into six pages worth of detail; this is just one small part of it.)

From such heated vituperations, I would hardly call Heine an unbiased critic on Mendelssohn in general, and on anything Christian-related he composed in particular. Thus my footnote had nothing to do with Mendelssohn's religion, but rather everything to do with Heine's hatred of Mendelssohn and his lack of objectivity, much less disinterestedness, as a critic.

Anyway, I kind of overspent myself on the Mendelssohn article and, having taken a two-week Wiki-break, I don't know that I wish to participate further with it at the moment. I see you seem to be giving it an expansion, so I'll let you do your thing unless there is some input you would like from me (better post it here: I probably won't visit the Mendelssohn Talk page). I'm kind of in the middle of some other stuff right now. Cheers and best wishes, Softlavender (talk) 07:00, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for this post. It is correct that Heine's feelings were ambivalent vis-a-vis Mendlessohn, and your quote is apposite. However, Botstein (and Todd) are wrong in asserting that Heine was not a music critic. He may not have been the sort of music critic that they would have liked or approved, but his journalistic writings on music were voluminous. But whether you can say that one particular citation of Heine (in this case, the sentence about 'naivete') must therefore have been informed by his personal feelings about Mendelssohn is rather different. The one does not follow from the other. Indeed in the very citation you give above, Heine talks of Mendelssohn's 'great, enormous talent'. I am very cautious indeed about attributing any disparaging comment about a Jew to the context of attitudes towards his Jewishness, unless this is explicit. (See (if you can contain your impatience) my book 'Jewry in Music', being published next year by Cambridge).

I certainly agree however that the issues you raise need to be handled in the artticle, which I am trying piecemeal to get up to GA standard, and I am 100% in favour of raising them in a full context. Thank you for your thoughts, your interest and your pursuit of this point and do please continue any work you have in mind on Mendelssohn. Best regards --Smerus (talk) 09:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, Smerus; thanks for the reply. In my opinion, of course Heine isn't going to reveal his motivations in a printed piece (who would?). As far as "explicit", I don't know how much more explicit than "setting the piss of the Lamb of God to music" one could get. The musical review we're discussing is of St. Paul, the only explicitly Christian work (or 'piss of the Lamb of God', to use Heine's words) Mendelssohn wrote (or at least completed).

If it were me, I'd relegate Heine's review of St. Paul to the "Reputation" section of the article, and, if the section is expanded enough to warrant it, note Heine's unspoken antipathy (hatred, really) towards Mendelssohn and his Christian posturing, either in the article or in a footnote.

Congrats on the upcoming book publication! Sounds interesting, and I hope it's a good compilation. You've already let me know (above on this talk page) of your ethnicity and religion; and just because the whole subject of Mendelssohn and Heine and anti-Semitism and so forth can get "tetchy", I hope you did not feel that my initial footnote re: Heine seemed anti-Semitic. I have no religious affiliation (interest in some holiday films notwithstanding), and a brief review of my interests and some articles I wrote most of (Reichsmusikkammer, Leon Jessel, etc.), should assure you that my sympathies lie with exposing or eliminating prejudice of any kind. Heine simply seems to me to have, in addition to his sour grapes, some internalized anti-Semitism towards Mendelssohn. But whatever you want to call it, he certainly, in my view, is not disinterested about St. Paul (a piece I've never heard and don't really care about). :) What I do care about is avoiding overemphasizing criticisms of Mendelssohn's supposed musical "failings", especially so early in the article, and especially when from someone so wildly prejudiced on the matter as Heine. OK, I'm done; I've said my peace and will let the matter lie. ;-) Softlavender (talk) 10:11, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

all noted, and thanks again :-} --Smerus (talk) 15:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

BTW I have now done a lot of frenzied tinkering with the Mendelssohn article and for want of knowing what to do next I have put it up for review as a Good Article. Best regards, --Smerus (talk) 07:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Opera parent categories

Re Les mousquetaires au couvent (and maybe others), there are special reasons for retaining parent cats for operas, as explained in the Opera Project archives. It's a fairly complex matter so we'd appreciate it if you can leave the cats as they are. Thanks. --Kleinzach 04:49, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. As you know, I don't like all these operetta categories and think that they should be deleted. Did you really want me to go to the page? -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

LOL, I didn't think so. Happy Holidays! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:20, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Em dashes

Regarding your edit at After Aida: please read WP:DASHES on the use of em dashes and en dashes. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:59, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Image problems

I am confused - see my talk ! GrahamHardy (talk) 19:03, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it's my syntax see Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)#Image server problem? GrahamHardy (talk) 19:17, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Need someone to edit an IMAGE for me

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Could someone please edit this image file to remove the bordering (left and right) white space? Thank you. I am unable to do it, even after having read the MediaWiki information. If no one who reads this is able to do this, please direct me to someone who can. Thank you! Softlavender (talk) 05:20, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Done - I hope that is OK?  Chzz  ►  05:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Kewl. You rock. Thanks so much. Softlavender (talk) 05:44, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Pottle

Thanks for the message. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Balieff/ Wooden Soliders/ Tsar Paul I

Hi - Glad to hear you enjoyed the article. That's going back a ways. The reference to Balieff using the legend about Tsar Paul I's soldiers as inspiration can be found in a 1927 Time Magazine here: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,731097-4,00.html .

Hope that helps. J. Van Meter (talk) 20:59, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Punctuation

Hi. I noticed that you changed all the punctuation at South Pacific to be inside the quotes, calling this "American". In fact, WP:MOS#Punctuation inside or outside requires that punctuation always go outside the quotes, unless the punctuation is inside the quote in the actual original quote. I know that this is not what some other style guides say, but it is what our style guide says (I'm American, btw). Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:33, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I do think we should comply with the MOS, because if the article is promoted to GA or FA, the reviewers will likely insist on it. But it's not an emergency. I personally do not like the serial comma (MOS says it's optional), because it adds characters that you don't need, and because some sentences end up having a million commas. No big deal, though. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:59, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Quote

Let's see what Jean's feeling is about this tomorrow, or whenever she is able to reply. No rush here. I don't mind using the quote without his name, since we can cite BWW. On the other hand, as you demonstrated, there are lots of other sources to mine for a suitable quote. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:31, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, no rush, I just wanted to make sure it the case wasn't closed, and that you two saw my later post. Thanks. Softlavender (talk)

Re:OTRS problem

The worry is that the photo probably belongs to the photographer rather than the subject. Your best bet would be to talk to Adrignola (talk · contribs) (probably on Commons). J Milburn (talk) 15:31, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

You're going to have to explain all this to Adrignola- I only suggested contacting him/her on Commons as their userpage implied that (s)he is more active there. Sorry, I don't really feel comfortable just taking over someone else's ticket like that. J Milburn (talk) 15:43, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Lyric (South Pacific)

I stand corrected. As a pianist and singer of 35 years, you have hit my only pet peeve: Misquoting lyrics and especially SONG TITLES. This is done constantly, even in reveiews (like this one), by a "journalist" who should know better.

Re:No colour on diffs

I agree and the lack of an edit toolbar is starting to get annoying. I concur with your idea that a bug report should be filed but to be honest I don't have a clue about how to report it as I've never had a problem before. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 10:07, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Liri Blues Festival

Hi Softlavender! Thanks a lot for your contribution at the Liri Blues page! I'm not an expert on wikipedia.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardognunu (talk • contribs) 15:47, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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Swiss Family Robinson (1940 film)

Hey there, Softlavender, I am sorry to hear that TCM is no longer offering that DVD and no, I didn't get around to getting one (wish I had now)! I will correct the Wiki page to show that it was previously available. However, you can get one here - (this guy has a lot of SFR stuff) or here , but of course it would have been better to get the TCM package - even though my understanding is that the TCM version was not remastered - it was the same quality as what you see on these DVDs and the Disney version's DVD bonus features. Dutchmonkey9000 (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

La Grande-Duchesse de Gérolstein

This might be right up your alley: Someone has apparently thrown in a plot synopsis that is a copyvio. Do you have time to rewrite it (and hopefully to shorten it) to avoid the copyright problem and make a notation on the talk page to indicate that you have done so? I thought this might interest you, since you have edited the page before. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:25, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I missed the Tonys, unfortunately, as I was at a Marathon G&S Sing-out this weekend near Boston hosted by NEGASS: all 13 G&S operas in a row over 2 days. Crazy fun! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:54, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Haha! No, I just stole your excellent idea and said it on the talk page. I could have said: "Softlavender suggested this on my talk page", but I figured it was better to just cut to the chase. Feel free to take credit for it!  :-) I'm going to do a real show with orchestra, sets, costumes, etc. (Pirates - I'm Major-General Stanley) on July 2 at the International Gilbert and Sullivan Festival at the Gettysburg week. Hope you're having a nice summer! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:15, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

The Wicked Lady (1983 film)

I have looked at the Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (film) section and I cannot find where it says that only the first-billed should be listed, as you stated. I may have just missed it though, but in spite of that, given the extraordinary list of currently well-known actors who had small parts in this atrocious film, I would argue that it is worthy of the full list (from IMDb) being included. Manxwoman (talk) 12:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Hans Brinker

Dear Softlavender,

You recently removed an item added to film adaptations of Hans Brinker by me. Could you please clarify why you labeled it as spam? Thank you,

Dustin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.83.75.124 (talk) 06:06, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your timely reply, I can understand why those restrictions are in place :] Once the film is listed on IMDB may I contact you regarding the proper way to list it on Misplaced Pages? As it stands the film will be scored then submitted to a few festivals from which it will probably be listed on IMDB.

Thank you,

Dustin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.83.75.124 (talk) 07:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Gerolstein

Hi. Great work on the article. One small thing: I don't think that it's appropriate to state, in the plot summary, that Gerolstein is a fictional place. That is "meta" information that should be in a "background" section about the opera (which is now the article's biggest missing section). In the plot summary, we are always describing a fictional work, so we don't say that it is fictional. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:41, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm satisfied with the way it looks now. But in a musicals project article, the information would go elsewhere. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Completely new abortion proposal and mediation

In light of the seemingly endless disputes over their respective titles, a neutral mediator has crafted a proposal to rename the two major abortion articles (pro-life/anti-abortion movement, and pro-choice/abortion rights movement) to completely new names. The idea, which is located here, is currently open for opinions. As you have been a contributor in the past to at least one of the articles, your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

The hope is that, if a consensus can be reached on the article titles, the energy that has been spent debating the titles of the articles here and here can be better spent giving both articles some much needed improvement to their content. Please take some time to read the proposal and weigh in on the matter. Even if your opinion is simple indifference, that opinion would be valuable to have posted.

To avoid accusations that this posting violates WP:CANVASS, this posting is being made to every non-anon editor who has edited either page since 1 July 2010, irrespective of possible previous participation at the mediation page. HuskyHuskie (talk) 19:46, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

References section of opera-related article

Would you please leave the "Ref" section as it is. Based on a consensus of editors from the WikiProject Opera, we have come up with two or three separate sections under the main heading.

The first is "Notes", the second is "Sources" (or, if there are "Cited Sources", especially books - see WPO on that - the full name of the book with ISBN, etc can appear under that heading of "Citated Sources" and a simple "Author's last name, p. X" appear in the "Notes".

Here's where you can look up the guidelines: Misplaced Pages: WikiProject Opera/Article styles and formats.

And here is the discussion on it: Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Opera/Article styles and formats

Viva-Verdi (talk) 23:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

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Help with Reliable Sources

Could you help me with http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk%3aOxfordian_theory_of_Shakespeare_authorship#Enlighten_Me please? Trying to ascertain whether or not Brief Chronicles would be a RS. Thank you for your help! Knitwitted (talk) 20:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous

Thanks for your kind note. I have seen many situations where a film or show was cast, but before it actually was released or opened, the situation totally changed, often without any reason being given. Sometimes the fact that a casting change was made remains of encyclopedic interest, but usually not, especially in the case of marginally notable actors. Believe me, I have had this conversation with many editors in the past - it's hard to resist the temptation to jump on new information. Misplaced Pages has some very wise policies that work well together, like WP:RS, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:UNDUE - so, if something hasn't been reported by a major news source, then reporting the information early is likely to result in its being given too much weight, and maybe even being just plain wrong. We have the luxury, if there is any doubt, of being able to wait and verify the facts. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:19, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Chariots of Fire

Hi. Regarding this edit, "excess detail" may be a fair criticism, as I'm not very familiar with the guidelines for movie plot summaries. However, I don't see how your edit "restores sermon quote" when in fact it only removes the extra line I had added. Nor do I see how the text I had added was "opinionizing", as it seems a very straightforward description of the quoted passage.

My thought was that the first part of the passage (about the "nations") is highly relevant to the sacrifice Liddell is making at that moment, and that the juxtaposition of what Abrahams and Montague are doing while Liddell is in church reading this passage is important to the effect of this scene, which is arguably the climax of the movie (I certainly wouldn't suggest every scene in the movie be described in this amount of detail). Again, I am willing to defer to a reasonable argument from an editor such as yourself who is more experienced in this area, but I would appreciate a bit of clarification on these points. Thanks, --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 03:03, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Thank you for visiting the Teahouse!

Teahouseness

A pie for you!

Request

By the way, could you please also edit my article for submission USeP - College of Development Management to make it more encyclopedic? thanks and GOD bless you...--Michael Padada (talk) 05:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Silly me (?)

Hi there Miss Lavender, VASCO from Portugal here,

regarding this situation here (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:66.87.7.19), i just saw today that person seems up to no good. Cannot believe i was gullible enough to have replied, especially after finding 99,99999999% of their edits was only that, giving barnstars away...

My technical question is: could my computer be in harms way for having sent that troll info when i replied their message? One can never know, and i'm an absolute duffer when it comes to computers :( Question 2: do those IPs and User:Commander v99 have any relation? It seems like it, i could be just "seeing things".

Attentively, keep up the good work - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:47, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

AN/I IP Editor

Hello, Softlavender! I just wanted to clue you in on this, as I (along with many, many others) have encountered this editor before. I used to give him a ration of shit, thinking he was an "IP-hopper", and he is: but he's a very skilled editor that enjoys being anonymous for whatever reason. Well, "semi-anonymous", as most people who've seen him know who it is when he opines on an issue. He has made many assurances that he's not a blocked or banned editor, and I have no reason to think he is, especially seeing how others recognize him when they encounter him. He's been around a long time and has used countless IPs, which is not against policy. Just thought I'd explain a little more here rather than AN/I. Cheers :> Doc talk 09:39, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Huh? Do you think I am making this up? I'm trying to clue you in. You do not recognize the editor, and I've already explained the situation. You can ignore it if you want to, but it's best that you listen to me. If they are in hiding, as you say, they do a really terrible job of it, because... we know who it is. Drop by WP:Reference desk/Computing sometime, and see how quickly the editor is chased away. And your statement, "Anyone remaining anonymous has something to hide and is indulging in de facto IP sockpuppetry." is 100% wrong. You may need to seriously rethink your opinion of anonymous editors as a "group". I know I did. Food for thought! Cheers... Doc talk 10:45, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I want to second Doc9871's comment about IP editors. There's nothing wrong with editing from an IP, and you should not think any different of them. Snowolf 16:29, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

• Noted, but I disagree. He's edit-tracking and passing judgments on the editing patterns of an editor who has the courage to use an account and has edited widely and fruitfully for many years, while he himself is using an account he has never edited on. I'm not interested in discussing this further. Softlavender (talk) 21:48, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
  • For the record, claiming a user with a dynamic ip address "has never edited" is not the safest bet. Also, using an account does not take "courage," and is arguably more anonymous than editing from an IP that can be looked up easily by anyone. — The Hand That Feeds You: 22:18, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I said he's never edited on that account, the account he's cowardly hiding on. Softlavender (talk) 00:12, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

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Seamus AfD

I read your comments regarding the deletion of the Seamus article, and I fully agree. I believe that if people actually read the article, and looked at the accompanying references, they would be more inclined to keep the article. Thank you. Debbie W. 18:31, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

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This is something you should take up with User:Star-one, not me. Softlavender (talk) 03:08, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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David Gaines - radio person

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Hello

Hello! I noticed you editing a few articles on Nichiren Buddhism and I was wondering if I could ask you for some help. I was just cleaning up the references on Risshō Kōsei Kai and they are overwhelming the organization itself. Do you happen to have anything we could add to that article that might be more neutral? I know little to nothing about Nichiren and various associated movements and I thought that if that was more in your wheel house then this might be something you could assist with. If not no worries! Helpsome (talk) 22:44, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

The Black Count

Hey there. I don't think we've every crossed paths before. While I enjoy working collaboratively with other editors, I can't honestly say that I understand your rationale here. Going to someone's work in progress in their userspace and moving it to the mainspace is not only inappropriate, but disruptive. Honestly, I am stunned. From a personal perspective, I just had major surgery on April 15th, the same day the Pulitzers were announced. As part of my recovery process, I chose this article to focus on, only to discover that another editor usurped the work in progress. Stunned. In the future, if you have a question about another editor's draft work, please take the time to make a simple inquiry on their talk page. Please note that I have userfied the draft to my subpage for continued work. When I create an article, I don't move it prematurely. While I am certainly aware that the book was honored with the Pulitzer, keep in mind that there's no rush on Misplaced Pages. I will continue drafting the article and most likely move it back to the mainspace within a couple of days. If you have questions, feel free to contact me. With all due respect, best regards, Cindy(talk) 05:26, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Cindy(talk) 03:08, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Citation templates on editing bar not working

Hi, I can't get the "Templates" drop-down menu of the Misplaced Pages editing bar at the top of the page to do anything. I keep clicking on any of them ("cite web", "cite newspaper", etc.), but nothing at all happens. What to do? Softlavender (talk) 09:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello,

If you are too confused, you can always manually add the parameters and the template. See {{cite web}} or {{cite news}} to check for the parameters.

But I suggest using either ProveIt or cite tool on your edit window.

• To use ProveIt, enable it first . Then click on the fourth (yellow and black P) button in your editing window, and select "Add a reference". The rest is easy.
• If you don't want to use Prove-It, you can also use the editing window. Just click on that Template menu you are talking of, and click on any of them. A pop up window should appear (If it does not, you might want to check some settings. I'm not sure but javascript might be disabled for you.) Then you simply fill the fields, and insert it.

Hope this helped,

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:36, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

• To reiterate, I can't get the Cite "Templates" drop-down menu of the Misplaced Pages editing bar at the top of the page to do anything. I keep clicking on any of them ("cite web", "cite newspaper", etc.), but nothing at all happens. Why is this happening? All of the other editing-bar buttons are working but the Cite Templates are not working at all. Please help. Softlavender (talk) 02:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

It should work when you click it. Might be a problem with your browser. Mkdw 04:30, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• To reiterate, I can't get the Cite "Templates" drop-down menu of the Misplaced Pages editing bar at the top of the page to do anything. I keep clicking on any of them ("cite web", "cite newspaper", etc.), but nothing at all happens. Why is this happening? All of the other editing-bar buttons are working but the Cite Templates are not working at all. Please help. Softlavender (talk) 02:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Works when I do it. Click the cite button in the edit screen and it should expand the bar below with a bunch of fields. If it's not working for you, it's likely a problem on your end. You could try reinstalling your browser on your computer. Asking the same question repeatedly won't necessarily change the outcome of why your own browser is not working when others are. Would you like me to record a video of my desktop using the ref tool to show you it's properly working? Mkdw 04:35, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Mkdw, please don't respond further. You are not even understanding the question, much less responding to it helpfully. Softlavender (talk) 04:41, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• To reiterate, I can't get the Cite "Templates" drop-down menu of the Misplaced Pages editing bar at the top of the page to do anything. I keep clicking on any of them ("cite web", "cite newspaper", etc.), but nothing at all happens. Why is this happening? All of the other editing-bar buttons are working but the Cite Templates are not working at all. Please help. Softlavender (talk) 04:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Jason Quinn (talk) 07:12, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Grammy Award for Best Hawaiian Music Album

The see also section should be in alphabetical order, per Misplaced Pages:See also#See also section, so I ahead and made the edit to the article again. Thanks for adding the link to the section--I was not familiar with this award! --Another Believer _(Talk) 22:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks for your edit at Eckhart Tolle anything else that you think needs to be tweaked? Also would you mind taking a look at The Power of Now and giving some feedback on the talk page. I think it needs a major reworking and would like to collaborate with other editors in the process. Best, -- — Keithbob • Talk • 23:09, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

PS I've done a rewrite of The Power of Now if you any further feedback or want to make changes or tweaks, all contributions are welcome! Cheers!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 19:51, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Epiphany Eyewear

Softlavender: Thank you for your help. Removed images and edited captions. 301man (talk) 01:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

TB

A New Earth

Hi Soft, if you have a few minutes sometime could you take a look at this other book article by Tolle and give any recommendations you might have on the talk page? Right now I'm the only one active on the talk page and I'd like some additional input before I revamp this article in a way similar to the other Tolle book. This one, does have some secondary sources but there are still whole sections which are unsourced and appear to have been made up by an editor based on personal opinion. Thanks so much, -- — Keithbob • Talk • 15:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for I Surrender All

Favor

Hi SoftLavender, You are a good writer and editor and if you have any time I would value your edits and comments on an essay I've just published called WP:POV RAILROAD. Thanks!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 15:29, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the compliment. :) That's a good topic -- I've definitely been on the end of that. I'll take a look at it when I have time, OK? Thanks for thinking of me, and great job doing this to help Misplaced Pages! Softlavender (talk) 00:30, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Keithbob, I took a look at that. Very nice of you to create that essay. I made some copyedits, for clarity of reading (you can revert or ignore any of them). Two things stood out for me to mention: (1) I think you need to wikilink the following (do not assume that anyone reading the essay will automatically know what you mean or the policy referred to): canvassing, game (gaming the system), COI, and possibly even POV. (2) The "Traits" (or perhaps it should be called "Characteristics") section is a little jumpy because the elements are not parallel. In a parallel list, all of the items are the same part of speech: verb clauses, or noun clauses, or adjective clauses, etc.; and even within those categories, the subcategories of clauses are the same: e.g. all gerunds (if that is the choice) for verbs. You may actually want to either change them all to the same kind of clause (if that's even possible), or subdivide that section, adding subheadings or intros to each subsection, so that you group all similar grammatic clauses together. Hope that makes sense. Keep up the good work! Softlavender (talk) 05:37, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Softlavender! Thanks for helping with my little pet project. The original version of the essay was much longer and more complete. then CorporateM, who I had invited to review it, really took a hatchet to it. I admit it was too verbose so his direction was good but he didn't have an accurate understanding of what the essay was about (the fault of the writer, no doubt) and he cut out things that were germane. So I went back and added some things, re-establishing the focus of the essay while maintaining his succint, point by point style. If you have any time, please have another look and make edits as needed and/or make comments on the talk page. I'm sorry to hear you have been the victim of this kind of bullying but the upside is that it makes your input on the essay even more valuable as you know what are the important points to get across. Thanks again for your help and WP camaraderie!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:13, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

RFC at The Departed

As a recent participation at Talk:The Departed#Whitey Bulger and The Departed this is just a note to let you know that there is now an RFC regarding the issues discussed at Talk:The Departed#RfC: Discussion of Lead Section comment on film sources neglectfully or inadequately discussed in main article. Betty Logan (talk) 08:39, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Thanks, J, glad to help! Softlavender (talk) 03:42, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Edits, not editor

I would like to ask you to strike comments 2, 3, and 4 from your post to the Raging Bull RfC. To be honest, they're somewhere between completely inappropriate and a personal attack. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the question, which is whether or not those sentences belong in the article. Furthermore, by taking such a stance yet not actually looking at the sources involved, you've essentially made it impossible for Auto Marmet to ever contribute to Misplaced Pages. You've basically decided he is and always will be doing nothing more than OR, and thus you never need to read what he's written to see if the newest incarnation is OR. Note that the user is no longer edit warring to keep the material, and opening an RfC on it is the complete opposite of disruptive editing. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I hear and understand your request; however, I am going to leave them up because none of the other editors have given detailed substantive reasoning behind their opposition, and any newcomers to the page will not know the extensive and disruptive and confused and prevaricative patterns this editor has. I meant what I typed. You yourself have seen the numerous untruths he has posted on your own Talk page, and you have not objected to my calling him out on them. After carefully following this editor and his disruptive, self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, prevaricative editing/commenting over several articles and numerous Talk pages, I do not believe he has the competence to edit here. If you disagree, you are welcome to say so or to rebut my post. You've been mainly on the outside looking in on this matter; those of us who have had to clean up after him and read his interminable, repetitive, disruptive, unheeding and prevaricative replies have a bit more knowledge of his patterns I think. I do appreciate where you're coming from, though, and it was kind of you to make this request. Softlavender (talk) 06:05, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that the talk page of an article is not the correct place to raise those concerns--you need to do that on a behavioral noticeboard, like WP:ANI. I wouldn't recommend doing so right now, though, because his behavior has fundamentally changed, in that he is no longer editing or disrupting the encyclopedia. So long as that continues, and he accepts the likely result of the RfCs, then we have no problem, and we have the potential to help educate and retain an editor with obvious passion for certain topics. If the problems restart, of course, action can be taken. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I personally disagree that posting and reposting and reposting and again reposting interminable requests and accusations on article Talk pages is not disrupting the encyclopedia. In fact, WP:disruptive editing appears to me to clearly state that it is. Also, his behavior has not fundamentally changed in my opinion, as evidenced by his continuing to do so and his continuing to misrepresent the truth. The only thing he is doing differently is that he has apparently not edit warred since September 10, because after a month of doing so he got two Talk page warnings on September 11 from both Betty Logan and you. He then figured out (possibly through the WP:DR link you provided then), or someone told him, that his only way forward would be RfCs. But all his other behaviors (including lack of competence) are exactly the same. Believe me, I probably would have filed an ANI by now, had I not had a disinclination, and lack of time, to gather and organize the hundreds of disruptive diffs from him and his various IP socks, and the comments/edits of his respondents. I understand your viewpoint about the RfC, but I'm letting it stand. Softlavender (talk) 09:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

A Rescue Barnstar for you!

Thanks so much, Shirt! Softlavender (talk) 22:47, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Edits relating to Diane Harper

Softlavender, I would like to ask you to refrain from deleting edits by others to Diane Harper's page. Edits that improve the content are welcome but arbitrarily removing content that you don't like are not in the spirit of Misplaced Pages. Thanks. user: popcorn66 —Preceding undated comment added 15:57, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

TB again

A bowl of strawberries for you!

List of film noir titles

Hello Softlavender, in your recent edit you rightfully mentioned that the standard TOC causes a ton of wasted space here. I've therefore tried to hide the unnecessary subsections with the {{TOC limit}} template but this doesn't seem to work or I'm doing something wrong. Could you help please? --Croscher (talk) 07:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Croscher, I wasn't that well-versed in TOCs myself, but reading through WP:TOC just now, it seemed that the key was (1) putting the {{TOC limit}} after the lead, and (2) adding a number to denote the subheading level cut-off desired. Seems to have worked OK now. Thanks for the prod! Softlavender (talk) 08:01, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! My fault was that I thought I had to set a limit of "1" instead of "2". Because of this my trial edits always generated the default template. --Croscher (talk) 09:08, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

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