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Welcome to my talk page. I have been editing Misplaced Pages since 2007. If you want to know more about me, see my user page. My work, like a lot of others, has been complimented and criticized. And in March 2012, I was even blocked. See the block cases. And it's during that first block case that I learned a lot about WP:Assume good faith and who you can count on to be there for you; that experience has made me more acrimonious towards Misplaced Pages, and this feeling was intensified with my second block case (again, refer to the block cases link). Still, I believe that it's best that I help this site, seeing as many people come here for information (it's almost always ranking highest in search engines, and that type of thing is always going to bring in a lot of readers) and a lot of those people trust what they read here. So it's my job to make sure that any topic I am heavily editing is as accurate as possible.

Especially see User:Flyer22#Main type of editing style for why what you consider neutral, or what you consider needed with regard to images, likely differs from my view; don't know about you, but I'm following Misplaced Pages policies and/or guidelines in that regard. Any questions, compliments or criticism of my Misplaced Pages work, feel free to leave me a message here on my talk page or email me. If you leave me a message here, I will usually reply here.

Archive

• Archive 1 (from May 8, 2007 - June 20, 2007)
• Archive 2 (from June 24, 2007 - November 3, 2007
• Archive 3 (from December 20, 2007 - November 4, 2008)
• Archive 4 (from November 10, 2008 - June 6, 2009)
• Archive 5 (from June 10, 2009 - October 9, 2009)
• Archive 6 (from October 9, 2009 - March/April 2010)
• Archive 7 (from April 2, 2010 - January 20, 2011)
• Archive 8 (from January 21, 2011 - July 27, 2011)
• Archive 9 (from July 27, 2011 - March 20, 2012 )
• Archive 10/block cases (from March 21, 2012 - July 24, 2012, for block case 1; December 12, 2012 - December 19, 2012, and to December 24 concerning extra comments, for block case 2; 2014 for block case 3)
• Archive 10 in general (April 25, 2012- August 31, 2012)
• Archive 11 (September 4, 2012 - April 3, 2013)
• Archive 12 (April 5, 2013 - September 10, 2013)
• Archive 13 (September 14, 2013 - December 29, 2013)
• Archive 14 (December 30, 2013 - May 5, 2014)
• Archive 15 (May 6, 2014 - )

WP:WTA

I'm bold, I don't ask permission before posting good information about writing styles to avoid. Its a fairly straightforward thing, taught in many writing courses, and it is not covered elsewhere on the page, which is why I added it. You reverted, now you own it. Your job to move discussion to Talk. Also, don't use extra edit summaries to plead your case or go into in-depth discussion, that's what Talk pages are for. -- Netoholic @ 09:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Netoholic, yes, you were WP:BOLD. You were WP:BOLD with a guideline that should have WP:Consensus for such a big edit, as reflected by what that guideline states at the top of its page. WP:Consensus is a policy and can be achieved through silence as well. But I was not silent; I reverted you. Being WP:BOLD obviously does not mean that you cannot be reverted, no matter how good you think your information is. Your addition used authoritative language for what is a guideline, and you even suggested that editors should avoid use of the word several, despite it often being quite appropriate to use the word several, such as when avoiding a WP:Linkfarm of names. The WP:BOLD guideline and WP:BRD essay make the following clear: You were reverted, so now it is you who should take the matter to the guideline talk page if you wanted it restored; I don't want it restored, so it's not up to me to take the matter to the guideline talk page. I don't own it at all. I made it very clear why I reverted you. And, yeah, I followed that up with this commentary. That's my right. It's not up to you to tell me not to do that. I'm not going to take a thing to the talk page that I can state just as easily in an edit summary. And, by the way, WP:Dummy edits, which I didn't use in this case, are for the very purpose of stating something in an edit summary that does not need to be taken to the talk page. I also suggest you tone down the inappropriate attitude if you want me to consider any proposal you make to that guideline seriously. Flyer22 (talk) 10:16, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and as I clearly stated in that followup commentary, the "several, some, many, few" topic you added is very much already covered by the WP:Weasel words portion of that guideline. So, if your elaboration on that aspect belongs anywhere on that page, it's in that section. And like Template:Who states: "Use good judgment when deciding whether greater specificity is actually in the best interests of the article. Words like some or most are not banned and can be useful and appropriate. If greater specificity would result in a tedious laundry list of items with no real importance, then Misplaced Pages should remain concise, even if it means being vague. If the reliable sources are not specific—if the reliable sources say only 'Some people...'—then Misplaced Pages must remain vague." Flyer22 (talk) 10:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

The problem with the BRD essay is that it doesn't cover an equally valid way to handle things... BDR. You could have asked me questions like "don't you think its covered in WEASEL already (No, it doesn't. WEASEL is about bias, LAZY is about precision. They are closely related and perhaps overlap in some examples, but that's all.) You could have made a post on the talk page asking what others think. You know, sometimes the sky won't fall if a fresh idea sits on the page and stews, allowing many people to get a chance to read it (Hell, you could have marked it with a {{Brainstorming}} tag or something). Deleting it within moments is aggressive, and if you're going to do that, you owe it to the other editors to be the one to raise the issue on the Talk page. ADDED: I also see you haven't mentioned a complaint about the intensifiers "very" and "really" (though, you yourself misuse them very much often)... you could have edited my guideline section to just those, and left the "Several" talk for later. --Netoholic @ 11:09, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Netoholic, unless you want to see how long we can go before one of us wins WP:The last word, we are not going to have this discussion in two different places. And if you try to have it in two different places, I'll likely simply revert you here at my talk page, with an edit summary. Since it's my talk page, I can have WP:The last word. The thing is this: I was completely in the right to revert you, especially regarding a guideline page, and there is no Misplaced Pages policy or guideline stating that I was in the wrong to revert you. It is your opinion that I was in the wrong to revert you. But the Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines are supposed to have WP:Consensus. You had no WP:Consensus for that addition, as evidenced by my reverting you because I disagreed with your addition. Not that it's simply a matter of what I state. But to assess what other editors think on such a matter, the matter should be taken to the policy or guideline talk page. It's there now. I stated before that I don't like it when editors come to a policy or guideline looking to impose their view on that policy or guideline because of a recent dispute they had somewhere on Misplaced Pages or simply because of their personal tastes. Yes, in my opinion, the "several, some, many, few" topic you added is very much covered by WP:WEASEL. Above, you stated that "WEASEL is about bias, LAZY is about precision." But, um, the LAZY bit you added is also about bias; it mentions POV. And POV naturally and often comes with bias in such cases. Deleting a non-WP:Consensus addition to a guideline "within moments" is not aggressive, and I find it odd that any significantly (like my intensifier there?) experienced Misplaced Pages editor would think so. Not just for a guideline, but for editing in general. Misplaced Pages editors don't have to let an edit stand because it's polite to do so; we revert when we disagree with something. We are then supposed to discuss the matter if it is worth discussing, instead of repeatedly reverting each other. I don't owe it to you or anyone else to be the one to take a matter to the talk page if I'm not the one intent on including the information. The WP:Burden policy, for example, was created for that type of thing.

As for your grammar lesson: No, keep it to yourself. Almost every "grammar expert" I encounter on Misplaced Pages needs quite a few grammar lessons before attempting to teach anyone on the topic. I'll use the words very and really the way that I want to in discussion. And contrary to your assertion, I don't use them often. Nor do I use them in Misplaced Pages articles, unless they are a part of a quote. That, other than not every word you added needing to be mentioned, is why I avoided mentioning them to you -- because I'm not fond of their use, and have been known to remove "very" from Misplaced Pages articles and reword the matter. I don't see "really" much on Misplaced Pages; must be our tastes in Misplaced Pages articles that makes the difference there. Flyer22 (talk) 11:42, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I feel like you've made a personal attack on that talk page. I think phrasing viewpoints using "I" statements rather than "You" statements, and ensuring comments are about the edits/ideas not the editor are beneficial and avoid escalation. Lastly, if I ever cited WP:DICK to someone else, I'd feel like I was the one being a dick. --Netoholic @ 12:34, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

If you feel like this is a WP:Personal attack, then go ahead and report me; see how far you get with that. Judging by how you approached this entire matter, including this latest revert, it's clear that either you don't know how Misplaced Pages is supposed to work, despite your several years editing this site, or you don't care. It's that, or you simply are not as experienced editing this site as one would think by assessing the age of your Netoholic Misplaced Pages account. You were reverted by another editor anyway, like I knew you would be. Flyer22 (talk) 12:45, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

That editor has never edited that page before, so its unlikely it was on their watchlist. I think devoting so much time to making snap decisions and combating vandalism would make me very aggressive and impatient, but at least I'd probably be in touch with other editors to help me out in difficult moments. Eh, but I don't want things to always be a battle... very stressful and unenjoyable... so I'd avoid that sort of thing. -- Netoholic @ 12:55, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Given that the "Contributors" option in the page's edit history is currently not working, how do you know that editor has never edited that page before? Whatever your belief, that editor commonly contributes to discussions on that guideline's talk page, as shown in its edit history. It is on his WP:Watchlist. As for my reverting vandalism: Similar to what I stated of your grammar lessons, save the psychological analysis for someone else. I told you before that I don't tolerate passive-aggressive nonsense; so I suggest you stop replying on my talk page from here on out. Flyer22 (talk) 13:14, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

What was wrong with this edit?

I think you should've provided edit summary. Tool/software pretty much distracts from the subject. OccultZone (Talk) 12:54, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I reverted because of improper formatting (the heading) and because it doesn't seem to me that those See also links are needed; in addition to appearing to be something a guy added to emphasize a POV about man-hating, they appear random, especially the non-existent Lifetime Movie of the Week link. But feel free to add them back if you want. Flyer22 (talk) 13:01, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Sounds much better. Thanks. OccultZone (Talk) 13:05, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I see that the IP had already added them back anyway, except for the aforementioned non-existent link. The heading still needs fixing; per MOS:HEAD, we go by sentence case and not title case. Flyer22 (talk) 13:22, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Negroni cocktail

Hello Flyer22 I'm a newspaper reporter who's researching an article on the Negroni cocktail. I see that you've edited the Negroni Misplaced Pages entry several times recently. Specifically, it looks as if you have deleted the alternate version of the creation of the Negroni cocktail. Could you tell me why? MrkHay302 (talk) 17:24, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, MrkHay302 (talk · contribs). I reverted you for the same reasons that others reverted you, as seen here, here, here and here. Did you not read their reasons for reverting you? To sum up, your additions go against WP:NOT; do read that policy. Also, why have you moved from the Hanegroni (talk · contribs) account to the MrkHay302 account? Per WP:Sockpuppetry, you should generally stick to one registered account. And, yes, I got the two emails you sent me (haven't yet read them in their entirety). But, like my user page states, "Keep in mind, however, that, concerning Misplaced Pages, I only regularly email with a select few (and I do mean a very small group of people from this site). So for others, if you email me, make sure that it is about something that makes my user talk page less than ideal to use for that message. Otherwise, I may very well ignore you, especially since replying back will provide you with my email address (one of them anyway)." Flyer22 (talk) 14:30, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Need your input

On the article, Rape in India. Reason is simple, main contributors have been either indeffed or topic banned from editing this article. I am alone for months, on the verge of 3rr. Recently, I had thoroughly checked at least one section of the article, had figured a number of errors in summaries. So you may also want to check rest of the article, other than the recent changes. Thank you, regards. OccultZone (Talk) 01:17, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll help out with that later. In the meantime, any backstory you can give me on this? Flyer22 (talk) 02:11, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes I had, before I would write here, check. OccultZone (Talk) 02:55, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay, OccultZone, I see that the editor has not yet revered again. I've put the article on my WP:Watchlist, but I'm not sure that I'll leave it on there. If that editor adds back the material, I'll revert and advise him (via edit summary) to take the matter to the talk page, if you don't beat me to that first. You should also consider leaving a message on his talk page about the matter if he reverts again. Flyer22 (talk) 11:30, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey

Hey, how you been? Mind giving me your input on something soap related? livelikemusic 00:17, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Late to replying because I was busy with other Misplaced Pages matters, but, sure, go ahead and ask me. Is it related to this? When checking up on this WP:ANI matter, I saw that an editor has reported you there. Flyer22 (talk) 15:01, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

It is in response the talk page of Theresa Donovan, actually. The ANI unfortunately followed; an action I did not see being made. livelikemusic 17:11, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Livelikemusic, there are currently two very recent discussions at that talk page (the Child Actresses and Removal of content sections); which discussion do you want me to weigh in on. Or is it both? Flyer22 (talk) 16:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Both, plus at WP:SOAPS. Sorry for late response. Kind of taking a back seat on Misplaced Pages lately. livelikemusic 15:58, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay. And I just weighed in here. A break from Misplaced Pages is understandable, especially if you are not getting the Misplaced Pages help that you need and feel too stressed out as a result. I'll comment in those sections now. Flyer22 (talk) 12:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Glad you understand, and thank you for your comments and opinions. livelikemusic 21:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Rahil Gupta

Hi ,

This is the first work of mine . And i did it for Rahil Gupta because He has done something substantial in militant hit state and provided job opportunities to so many people. I don not know much about editing but what you people feel good like you can edit accordingly . Thanks,

Arjun — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arjun7007 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Orphan Black

Hi, I know the review of the second season only consisted of one line, but I was planning on adding to it later on. I was also hoping that another editor would add to the section.

SpiritedMichelle (talk) 21:41, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello again, SpiritedMichelle (talk · contribs). Regarding this matter, I still don't think that there is much you can add about the critical reception for seasons 1 and 2 that would not be redundant and would require that the section be split into subsections for that material. In this case, I see it as best to expand first and then divide into subsections if needed. But I will remove subheadings if I feel that they are unneeded.

On a side note: When conversing with me at least, I ask that you consider keeping the discussion on the page that it first started on (unless it needs to be taken to a different talk page); this keeps the discussion centralized. I'm not a fan of disjointed discussion. You can simply use WP:Echo to ping me back to the discussion if you don't think I'm watching the talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 21:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Pet psychic

Hello. I think the problem in this article is that critics like:

"In 2008, a study using neuroimaging provides the strongest evidence yet obtained against the existence of paranormal mental phenomena. Using the assumption that psychic ability originates in the brain, the authors used fMRI scanning of participants' brains during the use of psi and non psi stimuli. Participants were either emotionally or biologically related to one another. The experiment was designed to create positive results if psi phenomena occurred. While the participants' reactions to non psi stimuli were as expected from previous studies, the psi inducing stimuli showed indistinguishable difference to non psi stimuli."

are NOT related to the article, these critics should be on the paranormal article. Also works of neuroscientist Persinger show contrary results compared to this studie.Thundergodz (talk) 02:37, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Theresa Donovan

Uhmm... The removal of the quote was not "silly." It was discussed on the talk page and agreed upon. Perhaps some looking around before commenting in the future. Cebr1979 (talk) 20:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Um, Cebr1979 (talk · contribs), yes, removal of the quote was silly and, since I did look around and explained on the talk page why the removal was silly, I stand by my statement that the removal was silly. I am quite familiar with what it takes to create a WP:Good or WP:Featured character, television or film article. Removing the role commentary you removed is silly to me; my opinion on that won't be changing. And since I barely edit soap opera articles anymore, I likely won't have to deal with the WP:Disruptive and WP:Battleground behavior you are known for. Not that I'd tolerate it anyway.

Oh, if you start a section on my talk page in the future, make sure that you start it in the appropriate place -- at the bottom, per Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines#Layout. Flyer22 (talk) 23:21, 13 June 2014 (UTC)