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--WillMak050389 19:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I am always glad to greet new users, and if you have any problems I will always be here to help. --WillMak050389 01:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Nice username.

--SB | T 07:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Excellent guess, and thank you for the pointer to the interesting article, but wrong nonetheless. :) Kickaha Ota 18:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks RE: 3O

Thank you for taking the time to render your 3rd opinion on the Jaguar XK link dispute. --AbsolutDan 22:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Kickaha Ota 00:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm very sorry that things got so messy there for you, and that there is now the question of 3RR. As I mentioned at the noticeboard, however, I am convinced that the editor in question was spamming the link. He seemed quite intent on promoting it, and it was an inappropriate link - the definition of spam vandalism. As such, I believe your edits were to remove simple vandalism, which doesn't count towards 3RR. I hope that the admins agree, and that your "record" remains spotless. Please let me know if there's anything I can do --AbsolutDan 22:08, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I feel bad about the whole incident, but it seems to have been settled. Thank you very much for the kind words. Kickaha Ota 19:42, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

They were well deserved, your edits in this matter have been nothing but good-faith. Take care --AbsolutDan 19:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Minor edits

Thanks for bringing a sense of neutrality to that nearly unbearable page. Regarding the edit I marked as minor, I didn't see it as major because all I did was move the three references from the first sentence of the intro to the bottom of the intro. Then, I did what you had suggested on the talk page: mention that those references describe the fact that some believe ACIM is authored by satan. I suppose it was the fact that you had mentioned this already on the talk page that made me consider it a non-major edit. And it is certainly the case that I wasn't trying to slip anything by anyone. How could I, seeing that you had already mentioned this topic in the talk page, and the article about satan as a potential source was already available on the page long before I moved it? -- Andrew Parodi 04:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

re WP:30

Thanks for your attention. Intangible 04:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Authorship of A Course In Miracles

Thank you for pledging to call him/her on it when he/she makes unfounded accusations with regard to my interest in those articles. I sincerely did not view it as a personal attack that he/she has too much free time. I'd remove it if I could, but I fear that to remove that statement at this point would only lead to more accusations of me "tampering" with things. -- Andrew Parodi 00:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Categories, etc.

Hi there. Just so you know, if you want to reference a Category without placing the page into said Category, you can place a colon after the square brackets and before the word "Category", like this: ], which displays as Category:User Misplaced Pages. You can do the same thing too images to prevent them from displaying, eg. ] displays as Image:WikiThanks.png. Happy wiki-ing, --Rockero 17:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the tip! It's appreciated. Kickaha Ota 17:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

What is all you needed to know?

If there is some secret connection between WP and ACIM then I will be more than happy to butt out of this article. Ste4k 17:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I needed to know whether you were willing to put aside your grievances and try to work out a way to make productive changes to the Authorship of A Course in Miracles article. Unfortunately, based on your responses, it appears that you're still too preoccupied with your past grievances for any sort of amicable resolution of the current problem to work. So all I can do is step back and let the process take its course. I have no idea why you think there's some secret connection between WP and ACIM, or why I would be privy to it if there were one, or why you think this issue is relevant to my questions in the first place. Sorry about that. Kickaha Ota 17:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

You mentioned that if this problem went to arbitration that I would end up blocked from the articles. You did not mention anything regarding him. What possible reason am I unaware of that would account for arbitrators to allow for his abuse and block me from making edits that were supported directly by policy? Ste4k 18:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I didn't mention him because I was talking to you, not to him. Kickaha Ota 18:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

What you said was: "This article has been nominated for deletion. That nomination failed. It was then nominated again. That nomination is in the process of failing again. It seems fairly obvious that the article is going to stick around, regardless of your opinion.". Did you intend to insinuate that I had bad faith about this article? It was not me that nominated the article either of the previous times. And the manner in which you express this, to me says that you consider my opinion unimportant. Is that what you had intended? You repeat it again here as you predict the outcome of arbitration saying, "which will probably wind up in an arbitration that will probably wind up with you getting blocked from the articles." Well thank you for your opinion. It took me nearly a week to get a firm grip on policy and how it relates to guidlines, and so forth. If they are only a bunch of words that don't mean anything, though, then who cares? What a waste of time this was. Ste4k 00:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

No, I most certainly did not say--or imply, or even secretly believe--that you had bad faith about the article. You obviously have a sincere, heartfelt opinion that the subject of the article is not notable and should be deleted. Nor did I say--or imply, or even secretly believe--that your opinion is not important. But Misplaced Pages is a product of consensus; there are other people with opinions of their own, and their opinions are also important. And if your belief that an article should be deleted does not reflect consensus, then it will not be carried out, no matter how heartfelt or sincere it is. It is simply impossible for a project like Misplaced Pages to fully and completely reflect the opinions of all of its contributors, especially when it comes to what material should be included in the first place. If one person deeply and sincerely believes that an article should exist, and one person deeply and sincerely believes that it should not, then someone has to lose; the article cannot simultaneously exist and not exist. And on Misplaced Pages, ties are broken in favor of inclusion; that's why a result of "No consensus" in a debate on deletion means that the article is kept. That's simply the way the project has been set up. And as far as my predictions about the outcome of an arbitration go, I'm not saying that I wish for that to happen; it's simply my prediction of a likely outcome. And if and when an arbitration does occur, I will have no vote and no particular say in the outcome; so my prediction has no force whatsoever. I very much hope that you can find a way to resolve the dispute and avoid arbitration altogether; I would encourage you to take part in formal mediation, where your dispute will be heard by a skilled mediator who's much more familiar with Misplaced Pages than I am and who can help you solve the problem. If you feel frustrated by your unfamiliarity with Misplaced Pages policy, then I would also highly encourage you to contact the Misplaced Pages:Association of Members' Advocates, a group of volunteers who will help you navigate the process and achieve your goals. Kickaha Ota 01:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Why?

I noticed that you added another proposed issue to the RfM for The Great Authorship of A Course in Miracles Kerfluffle. It's a worthwhile issue, but is it appropriate to modify an RfM after the parties have already agreed to it? It certainly seems appropriate to suggest additional issues to the parties involved, but actually modifying the RfM at that point seems like something that might best be left to the parties and the mediator. (And I admit to being a bit surprised that the parties agreed to the RfM as it was. :) ) Kickaha Ota 14:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I just want you to know, that I have only been here maybe two weeks. I can easily forgive not signing a message, but deliberately starting an argument with me about topics I did not wish to discuss, and then point out the conversation afterwards to whomever which simply invited more hateful tripe from Andrew; it was rude, it upset me, it affected my real life. I am not as young as you perhaps, but I can respect my youngers, and in the position that you had assumed to be filling, there was no excuse for what you did. And now I read above that you consider this some sort of game. How the heck am I supposed to know anything about RfM?!? While you were pestering me with all of that you had planned, I was working on what had been agreed on trying to ignore for at least a full day anything to do with ACIM. Ste4k 14:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)