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Well, I think I found it. I searched the archives for "Neither funny or appropriate" and found this discussion, which was completely unrelated to my request to have an admin evaluate another editor's conduct. In fact, that other editor wasn't mentioned in this discussion and did not comment in it. Yet you closed my request saying that I was forum shopping. I had asked for help on Callanecc's page, but when the only feedback that I got there was the other editor's and yours, I went to ANI, per ]. Now rumors of "forum shopping" have started following me around. ] (]) 00:58, 3 August 2014 (UTC) Well, I think I found it. I searched the archives for "Neither funny or appropriate" and found this discussion, which was completely unrelated to my request to have an admin evaluate another editor's conduct. In fact, that other editor wasn't mentioned in this discussion and did not comment in it. Yet you closed my request saying that I was forum shopping. I had asked for help on Callanecc's page, but when the only feedback that I got there was the other editor's and yours, I went to ANI, per ]. Now rumors of "forum shopping" have started following me around. ] (]) 00:58, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

:] I'm sorry for the late reply, I was unavailable and away from home. That's the problem with places like ANI, AN, and Jimbo's page that I was trying to impress on you. This won't get solved there, literally nothing ever does unless it's egregious and blockable. The way to think of that place is an unruly mob which will just as likely turn on you then support you. While i think what you are doing is a fine thing, ultimately it will fail. Not because of a lack of effort but a lack of consensus. There's several times it's been attempted, I truly believe to be here you will have to tolerate massive amounts of idiocy. I've taken wiki breaks because of that idiocy. The problem is you started so many threads that were similar but varied everytime you'd start a new one. I counted an AN, ANI and various peoples pages. It may not have been intended that way but when we do that people start rejecting the argument..I'm not saying it's the right course but from my perception we went from the use of the word "cunt" to a person that you thought followed you to the gender gap and now it's a overall civility issue. It's why we have ] as a suggestion because sometimes what we want to happen never will. I am going to apologize for one thing though, I didn't realize you only started regularly editing[REDACTED] last September. It's a huge learning curve and you may not have been aware you were doing what we consider "forum shopping" which does actually change my perception about your actions a little bit. I think your bell was a little rung and you were frustrated with behavior that came across as uncouth or mean or that you maybe misunderstood. I'm sure it wasn't all your fault either, it never is purely one sided, if you notice in that conversation I closed at ANI there are more then just me noting you were going to a lot of different pages regarding the issue (which seemed singular and has morphed a bit). I don't have enough dealings to know if that's a pattern of behavior that Scal thought it was but that's what a bunch of editors saw. I really do encourage you to do something else more productive because I think this will be a time-sink that will end up running you off the pedia..then no one wins, not you or the encyclopedia. The best revenge you can have against someone short sighted enough to think he's superior because he is man is be a better contributor and person. I'm only 30 but I've stopped trying to control what others do because I can't, you ask for help with things you can't control and control the things you can. You can choose to look at all of my comments in any light you wish, I chose them for a reason when I wrote that and surprisingly it wasn't upset you or other peoples but sometimes a LOUD wake up calls works better then a quiet one, this whole situation is and will continue getting worse until finally everyone just gives it up. As for your comment am I admin, holy hell no, nor will I ever be one (yup I just heard your sigh of relief ;) ) that doesn't mean the closure was inappropriate, at that point not one, two but more then three administrators had heard what you said. ], ], ], ] and ] are all admin. There may have been one or two more I didn't unearth but each of this admin told you in varying degrees there isn't much they can do with the issue. This also stretched across multiple pages, that's why I and others are stating you were forum shopping. After looking at some of your history if I assume slightly more good faith then I was you might have just been unsure what we were saying and was unaware how those behaviors were effecting the perceptions of other editors including myself. Sadly those boards cause more problems then they actually solve unless it's a clear cut blockable offense. This may be too long and if so oh well i had a few things to clarify so it's up to you if you read it or not. ] (]) 08:08, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Your comment at Jimbo's talk page

Your edit here could be construed as "demeaning fellow editors, an article subject, or any other person, on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sex or gender, sexual orientation, and gender identity or expression" and as a result could be deemed to be "offensive and damaging to the editing environment". You need to remove the comment. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 23:36, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I think it's intent is clear, that you want to twist it to suit the needs of that thread is up to you. I'd be curious who I was demeaning? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 23:40, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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Please stay off my talk page, thank you. Carrite (talk) 18:03, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

If you don't refactor my comments deal. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 18:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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Please stay off my talk page. —Neotarf (talk) 19:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

If you don't refactor my comments deal. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 19:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikibreak?

Hello. I am worried about how things are going. You have admitted that you are frustrated and feeling combative and I don't blame you. The tone of your discussion is going from defensible to less defensible.

Your are caught up in a shit fest being carried on by many people who should know better and while your call for sanity was called for you need to be careful not to be dragged into it.

With respect perhaps a nice walk or other form of off wiki relaxation is needed. When the whole issue is less upsetting to you come back fresh. I may be off base so feel free to ignore or refute this suggestion. Chillum 20:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

User:Chillum NO I agree with what you are saying. It was a call to sanity, I did it in a way that I understand some wouldn't understand. I took a few hours break and i do not plan on removing it but a way forward could be they can just hat it...Their solution sucked to say see ANI it's like a 300 page archive lol and I just got frustrated, this way they can go on pretending like all things are right in the world and can pat themselves on their back. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 06:53, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

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Link please

In all the brouhaha, I have been reviewing discussions of the past week. When you closed my "Request for administrator to evaluate the conduct of user" you gave this link but it's not taking me anywhere helpful. There is no discussion on that page headed "Neither funny or appropriate," and in fact, my name doesn't appear on that page. Also, are you an admin? I don't see anything on your user page that says so, and I haven't mastered how to figure out who is what otherwise. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 00:35, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I think I found it. I searched the archives for "Neither funny or appropriate" and found this discussion, which was completely unrelated to my request to have an admin evaluate another editor's conduct. In fact, that other editor wasn't mentioned in this discussion and did not comment in it. Yet you closed my request saying that I was forum shopping. I had asked for help on Callanecc's page, but when the only feedback that I got there was the other editor's and yours, I went to ANI, per WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE. Now rumors of "forum shopping" have started following me around. Lightbreather (talk) 00:58, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

User:Lightbreather I'm sorry for the late reply, I was unavailable and away from home. That's the problem with places like ANI, AN, and Jimbo's page that I was trying to impress on you. This won't get solved there, literally nothing ever does unless it's egregious and blockable. The way to think of that place is an unruly mob which will just as likely turn on you then support you. While i think what you are doing is a fine thing, ultimately it will fail. Not because of a lack of effort but a lack of consensus. There's several times it's been attempted, I truly believe to be here you will have to tolerate massive amounts of idiocy. I've taken wiki breaks because of that idiocy. The problem is you started so many threads that were similar but varied everytime you'd start a new one. I counted an AN, ANI and various peoples pages. It may not have been intended that way but when we do that people start rejecting the argument..I'm not saying it's the right course but from my perception we went from the use of the word "cunt" to a person that you thought followed you to the gender gap and now it's a overall civility issue. It's why we have WP:STICK as a suggestion because sometimes what we want to happen never will. I am going to apologize for one thing though, I didn't realize you only started regularly editing[REDACTED] last September. It's a huge learning curve and you may not have been aware you were doing what we consider "forum shopping" which does actually change my perception about your actions a little bit. I think your bell was a little rung and you were frustrated with behavior that came across as uncouth or mean or that you maybe misunderstood. I'm sure it wasn't all your fault either, it never is purely one sided, if you notice in that conversation I closed at ANI there are more then just me noting you were going to a lot of different pages regarding the issue (which seemed singular and has morphed a bit). I don't have enough dealings to know if that's a pattern of behavior that Scal thought it was but that's what a bunch of editors saw. I really do encourage you to do something else more productive because I think this will be a time-sink that will end up running you off the pedia..then no one wins, not you or the encyclopedia. The best revenge you can have against someone short sighted enough to think he's superior because he is man is be a better contributor and person. I'm only 30 but I've stopped trying to control what others do because I can't, you ask for help with things you can't control and control the things you can. You can choose to look at all of my comments in any light you wish, I chose them for a reason when I wrote that and surprisingly it wasn't upset you or other peoples but sometimes a LOUD wake up calls works better then a quiet one, this whole situation is and will continue getting worse until finally everyone just gives it up. As for your comment am I admin, holy hell no, nor will I ever be one (yup I just heard your sigh of relief ;) ) that doesn't mean the closure was inappropriate, at that point not one, two but more then three administrators had heard what you said.
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