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15 September 2014

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E4024 is banned from all topics related to Turkey, Greece, and Armenia. The user has been recently blocked for sockpuppetry under multiple IP accounts (see 7 April 2014 report here). Recent edits by this user appears to be strikingly similar. Few diffs:

Turkifying Armenian identity:

• E4024:
• Why should I have a User Name?:

Obsession to remove ethnicity per WP:OPENPARA:

• E4024:
• Why should I have a User Name?:

Similar edit-summaries:

1. "CN":

• E4024:
• Why should I have a username?:

1. "Rm redundant...":

• E4024:
• Why should I have a username?:

1. "Was redundant.":

• E4024:
• Why should I have a username?:

AfDs of Greek/Armenian articles per WP:IDONTLIKEIT

• E4024:
• Why should I have a username?:

Persistent changing of English orthography to Turkish orthography:

• E4024:
• Why should I have a username?:

Obsession over having things placed in alphabetical order

• E4024:
• Why should I have a username?:

Other tidbits:

1. Both accounts almost always use a period at the end of their edit-summaries:

• See E4024 contribution's here.
• See Why should I have a username? contribution's here.

1. Both accounts are highly interested in Turkish women in sports (or any other profession for that matter):

• E4024:
• Why should I have a username?:

1. Drive-by removals of whole sentences per long-awaited CN tags:

• E4024:
• Why should I have a username?:

Étienne Dolet (talk) 07:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

@Tiptoethrutheminefield: I feel compelled to clear things up for you. Please see the "Drive-by removals of whole sentences per long-awaited CN tags" section. It is entirely devoted to highlighting mass deletion of information in articles under the pretext of long-awaited CN tags ("fact tags"). And to your second point, though E4024 was a new user at the time, he was well-aware of Misplaced Pages procedure and policy. He, as is Why should I have a username?, was familiar with WP:OPENPARA, WP:NPOV, WP:OR, WP:WEASEL, AfDs, Speedy Deletions, SPIs, and etc. Furthermore, E4024 often threatened to have users blocked as well (). With that said, I also feel that Why should I have a username? is further informed about AE policy since, under E4024, he learned it the hard way by receiving an indefinite AA2 ban and an eventual indefinite block. Such an experience will only help familiarize the user with those policies. Hence the reason why he is throwing around warnings so much. Meanwhile, don't forget that he garnered even more experience with the IP addresses he's been editing with for several months.

@TU-nor: I'm quite puzzled as to how you failed to notice the incivility of Why should I have a username? For one, his threats are almost identical to the ones employed by E4024. See some examples here:

• E4024: "A user is destroying WP with dishonest acts."
• Why should I have a username?: "Thanks for trying to destroy Misplaced Pages."

• E4024: "If I do not remove it that is because I do not want to look like I am edit fighting with a user very enthusiastic about some issues."
• Why should I have a username?: "Typical POV qualifications from a certain enthusiast removed."

I pointed these two out because accusations such as "destroying" Misplaced Pages or calling others enthusiasts are very peculiar. I will add more later if need-be. Étienne Dolet (talk) 09:17, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Comments by other users

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I agree with the assertion that the editing aims are strikingly similar - looking through the edit history of E4024 I was struck by how similar they were to edits and opinions made by Why should I have a User Name? There are many more examples that could be cited. For example, here E4024 complains about the use of the word "invasion" to describe Turkish actions, and here Why should I have a User Name? also complains about the use of the word "invasion" to describe Turkish actions. Here E4024 advocates using the pov word terrorist, and here Why should I have a User Name?'s edit summary uses the word terrorism . Here E4024 claims Cyprus was still Ottoman territory in WW1 1917 period and here Why should I have a User Name? claims Baghdad and Iraq was still Ottoman Territory in the WW1 1918 period . (Both territories were actually firmly under British control by then - so to consider them still under Ottoman jurisdiction would mean an identical and rather peculiar pov). But that said, there are also major differences in their editing style. Why should I have a User Name? does a lot of deleting, using fact tags as a reason, E4024 does not seem to do this anything like as much. Why should I have a User Name? likes citing Misplaced Pages procedures or threatening other editors with Misplaced Pages sanctions to protect his edits, often using edit summaries as delivery notes for this. E4024 does not seem to do this. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I have also seen the similarities between "Why should I ..." and E4024. I am, however, a bit doubtful about if they can be the same. Two reasons: Firstly E4024 used to be much more uncivil in their remarks. And secondly: E4024 seemed to have a grudge against IP editors (which I experienced in my IP period), so I find it strange that they should choose a user name like "Why should I have a user name?" I may be wrong, but my feeling is that they are just two related souls. --T*U (talk) 21:21, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

@EtienneDolet:: Yes, I have certainly noticed impoliteness also from the new(?) editor, but it is still far from the outbursts from E4024. However, it is possible that there has been a sequence of learning here, as the doctor suggests (below). I will not be very surprised if they are the same, but on the other hand, experience shows that lookalikes have a tendency to turn up wherever Balkan/Anatolia/Middle East issues and similar themes occur. It seems like an endless quest. Regards! --T*U (talk) 20:41, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• I have checked the editor interaction utility and I have seen that their edits intersect in rather obscure articles such as Kemenche, Homshetsi dialect, Ivo Andrić and Crypto-Armenians. In addition they intersect in food articles to a large degree, right down to visiting the same Greek editor who is also a food expert. Also both visited Daniel Case discussing problem IPs. My findings, in addition to Etienne's, lead me to conclude that this is a case of WP:DUCK. I regret this is the case because I met this editor during the Giannis Poulopoulos AfD and I thought he had a sense of humour. For sure he is more mellow and agreeable than E4024, so he is learning. But he still uses edit-summaries, the same way as E4024 did, to attack his opponents, although not as badly as before. Δρ.Κ.  01:10, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
• I can't accept injustice. I was decided not to get involved in this discussion but unjust accusations disturb, such as the one that I try to delete 'Greek and Armenian' articles in Misplaced Pages. This accusation is made on 15 September here, only a few days after I helped save an article about a Greek in Articles for Deletion and added a source to the article itself, on 11 September so that it could stay, although I understand not many users find the person so very notable. As for the Armenians one may look at my edits in Turkish American article about Daron Acemoğlu (I gave -as an example- only my edit on 7 September, much before this vaudeville). My only wish is please do not claim nationalist extremism on me. I took to AfD all the four members of a Korean girl group and three out of four got deleted but not even one Korean accused me of anything against the Koreans. I think if there is a nationalist around that is concerned only about certain nations. I PROD or AfD anybody whose article is undersourced and make no distinction about their nationalities or anything else. I am sure it is not difficult to make a list of my PRODs and AfDs to see if there is a pattern against any nation but that would not support the peculiar impression that is being tried to impose on me.

On the other hand, and not in my defence, but because I find it interesting, accusing people for putting a period at the end of sentences (I wish everybody does so, although when it's a question I use the question mark) or for saying 'Rm redundant' -just as many others here do- could even prove that I am a sockpocket of the user who accuses me or of the checkuser who will do something on this. Regards. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 15:50, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

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