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:::::We have already done so, over, and over, and over. (I still have the mental scars...) And he sticks with interpeting it literally, and I stick with that I respect and used to like the character, but that there were matter-of-fact contradictions. I would prefer if you or some other neutral party made a decision to put a stop to this. Thank you. ] (]) 12:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC) :::::We have already done so, over, and over, and over. (I still have the mental scars...) And he sticks with interpeting it literally, and I stick with that I respect and used to like the character, but that there were matter-of-fact contradictions. I would prefer if you or some other neutral party made a decision to put a stop to this. Thank you. ] (]) 12:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::So if it's already said we don't need to keep talking about it. BeyonderGod, if you have explicit proof of anything to the contrary provide it here and now or do not suggest a different set of information.—] (]) 12:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC) ::::::So if it's already said we don't need to keep talking about it. BeyonderGod, if you have explicit proof of anything to the contrary provide it here and now or do not suggest a different set of information.—] (]) 12:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Don't listen to David A. He is a known person who can't prove what he claims I have proof he is omnipotent but they are in pictures now given the sources David A. Has no proof as BEYONDER stated he set his own limitations in the comics so ill post them. ] (]) 12:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)BeyonderGod

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I'm definitely not up to it right now, but this article is so far from NPOV that it's ridiculous.

And 'learnt' is not a word.

-- Dodger

learnt (lûrnt) v. A past tense and a past participle of learn.

Could someone please explain why the article "Beyond-Realm" is gone? Scorpionman 22:18, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is there anything that could be said about the Beyond-Realm that couldn't be said in the Beyonder's own article? -Sean Curtin 00:16, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Beyonder and Molecule Man

Is the Beyonder still merged to the Molecule Man?

New Universe

I removed the reference to the end of Secret Wars II creating the New Universe. Officially, my reason is that there was no reference for the statement, although I can unofficially add that I was an avid NU fan, and I remember vehement denials in the letters columns of NU books that this was the origin of the NU. (Of course, they also vehemently said that there would never be a NU/616 crossover, but, hey.... ) CatherS 02:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

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The wording is confusing, please clarify

  • The Beyonder then fights the Puma, believing that the only purpose left in his life is to help the Puma find his by allowing Puma to become one with the universe and slay him- having been convinced of the Beyonder's nature as a malicious threat-, but a casual comment by Spider-Man about the Beyonder's manipulations causes Puma to lose faith in himself at the crucial moment, and the Beyonder survives unscratched.
To help the Puma find his.. what? His purpose? His purpose was to merge with the universe and get killed? Or his purpose is to be slain by the Puma after helping him become one with the universe, so he was strong enough to do so? Someone who read this please clarify the meaning. Dream Focus 21:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
  • However, he immediately sensed a strange mental presence and attempted to mind-scan the Beyonder, revealing him as one of the Inhumans previously ruled over by fellow Illuminati member Black Bolt. The apparent secret behind the Beyonder's seemingly godlike abilities was also deduced by Xavier, who recognized that the Beyonder had been a mutant Inhuman...
The first sentence is referring to Xavier, the strongest telepath there is. He sensed who he was, and then it says it was deduced by him also, as though he was a second person. Was there someone other than Xavier who sensed this, perhaps Mr. Fantastic using some sort of device? Dream Focus 21:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Moved Spider Ham portion

  • The Spider Ham reference to the Beyonder was listed under the multiple universes. Whether or not the Spider Ham universe is actually claimed as a cannon alternate Marvel universe is irrelevant (and probably not true) since it is most certainly a parody comic. Arrow of Thyme (talk) 22:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Errors in The Maker section

"At some unknown point, Kosmos goes mad and assumes a mortal form, now calling itself the Maker" is wrong; Thanos explains that Kosmos goes mad because he assumes human form, not being able to cope with it. And "is finally subdued by the nihilist Thanos and several of his allies among the prisoners" again, not true: Thanos does all the work by himself, he has no allies and no one ever try to attack Kosmos; only interaction between the inmates and him is when Kosmos destroy most of the Kylm after arguing with the mad titan.

Unsourced Material

Below information was tagged for needing sources since 2008. Please feel free to re-add to the article with appropriate citations. Doniago (talk) 15:29, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Publication history
==Publication history==

The Beyonder was a controversial character among creators. Creators felt that Jim Shooter had abused his role as editor-in-chief, and forced the use of the omnipotent character upon other writers and editors. Some critics felt the crossovers did not always mesh well with the main book. One of the most vocal critics was John Byrne.

Apparently, Steve Englehart wanted to tie in the Beyonder to older characters known as the Beyonders (first mentioned in the team-up comic Marvel Two-in-One #63, beings powerful enough to collect planets) for his "Secret Wars III' story in Fantastic Four #318-319. According to Englehart, an editor hated the character and ordered the Beyonder "removed" from the Marvel Universe. Englehart did as asked but has stated that he tried to exile the character with dignity. The character was subjected to a retcon making him less potent than originally determined, and explanations of his omnipotence have been written off as the more powerful beings "playing along" to ease the Beyonder's transition into self-awareness. It was explained in Secret Wars III that the Beyonder was in fact a Cosmic Cube. During the first Secret War, the Beyonder claimed to be the embodiment of an entire universe. As he became self-aware, he recognized himself as the only person in his universe. Secret Wars III revealed that the Beyonder is in fact a wayward Cosmic Cube, at one time inhabiting his own "dimension" because there was no matrix to hold his energy. The Beyonder took his name from the powerful Beyonders who were manipulating his destiny.

Requested move

The Beyonder (comics) → Beyonder – This article should be moved back to its original title, per the arguments at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Comics#Beyonder, good move? 68.57.233.34 (talk) 20:45, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Beyonder Is Omnipotent

Ok Lets start this off. Beyonder (talk) 18:56, 16 December 2014 (UTC)BeyonderGod

Who cares?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:05, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Apparently I do. Beyonder (talk) 10:46, 17 December 2014 (UTC)Beyonder

Do you have a reliable source that explicitly states your claim that this fictional character is omnipotent or is it just your personal interpretation of the work of fiction?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 11:56, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Marvel Comics/Jim Shooter have stated the claims and your earlier comment makes me assumed you aren't really able to debate with me but that just my assumption. Beyonder (talk) 12:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)BeyonderGod
There have been repeated claims of the Beyonder being omnipotent in the comics, but there have also been other (referenced within the article) instances when he has shown limitations, or been stated to be nearly omnipotent (in the Avengers issue right after the Second Secret Wars), and Marvel Comics has a history of calling lots of characters omnipotent, including Odin, who is outclassed by many other entities. The inconsistency of the Beyonder character is the problem here, so to me it seemed sensible to list him as almost but not quite omnipotent based on the sum total picture. David A (talk) 12:04, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
If he is described as omnipotent in reliable sources then use those reliable sources to discuss it. Otherwise it is a violation of WP:OR to post one's own personal interpretation of a story.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 12:07, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
We have already done so, over, and over, and over. (I still have the mental scars...) And he sticks with interpeting it literally, and I stick with that I respect and used to like the character, but that there were matter-of-fact contradictions. I would prefer if you or some other neutral party made a decision to put a stop to this. Thank you. David A (talk) 12:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
So if it's already said we don't need to keep talking about it. BeyonderGod, if you have explicit proof of anything to the contrary provide it here and now or do not suggest a different set of information.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 12:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Don't listen to David A. He is a known person who can't prove what he claims I have proof he is omnipotent but they are in pictures now given the sources David A. Has no proof as BEYONDER stated he set his own limitations in the comics so ill post them. Beyonder (talk) 12:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)BeyonderGod

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