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| Non-notable stub article with little verifiable information ] ] 00:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | Non-notable stub article with little verifiable information ] ] 00:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| In the interests of disclosure, as suggested by AFD guidelines, you should know that WhisperToMe is the creator of the article and primary contributor. ] ] 17:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | In the interests of disclosure, as suggested by AFD guidelines, you should know that WhisperToMe is the creator of the article and primary contributor. ] ] 17:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| :'''Note:''' We deserve proper disclosure by DG that he has apparently been involved in an ongoing personal battle with WhisperToMe regarding other, related articles. I would expect to see WhisperToMe or any other creator of an article defending their work. It's entirely unjustified to see someone with an axe to grind create an AfD and blame the creator for "bad faith". Let's see full disclosure from the nominator. ] 18:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Keep''' - A stub can always be expanded. The information about the board of education is easily verifiable (just check the Cranbury School website), as is the other content of the article. Also, this is a ], not just any ordinary school. School district articles should be inherently kept. ] 00:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | * '''Keep''' - A stub can always be expanded. The information about the board of education is easily verifiable (just check the Cranbury School website), as is the other content of the article. Also, this is a ], not just any ordinary school. School district articles should be inherently kept. ] 00:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::A ''good'' stub can be expanded. This stub isn't really expandable. There is not really any information beyond the basic statistics, ie, how many students, who are the administrators, on the official website. It's a small 600 student elementary school in a rural town. ] ] 00:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | ::A ''good'' stub can be expanded. This stub isn't really expandable. There is not really any information beyond the basic statistics, ie, how many students, who are the administrators, on the official website. It's a small 600 student elementary school in a rural town. ] ] 00:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
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| *'''Keep''' - The nomination makes to claims re notability and verifiability. In response, 1) Schools and school districts are notable. This article is just as notable as any of the 300+ school districts listed in ], and the nominator provides no objective criteria that the article does not meet. 2) Every bit of information was verified and is verifiable using the sources provided. Given the fact that the reason for deletion are unsupported there seems to be no reason to justify deletion. If I read the contributions by ] correctly, it seems that this AfD may be in bad faith. Edits made by this user to ] removing a link to ] and presupposing a successful AfD demonstrate that this AfD is at best quite questionable. ] 02:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' - The nomination makes to claims re notability and verifiability. In response, 1) Schools and school districts are notable. This article is just as notable as any of the 300+ school districts listed in ], and the nominator provides no objective criteria that the article does not meet. 2) Every bit of information was verified and is verifiable using the sources provided. Given the fact that the reason for deletion are unsupported there seems to be no reason to justify deletion. If I read the contributions by ] correctly, it seems that this AfD may be in bad faith. Edits made by this user to ] removing a link to ] and presupposing a successful AfD demonstrate that this AfD is at best quite questionable. ] 02:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| :On the contrary, it was the creation of this article in the first place which was done very much in bad faith, if you'll read the record. ] ] 02:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | :On the contrary, it was the creation of this article in the first place which was done very much in bad faith, if you'll read the record. ] ] 02:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::DG's statement claiming that this article was created in bad faith demonstrates that this AfD was part of some petty personal battle and not a good faith effort to identify irreedambly bad articles. I'd suggest that we get a better explanation of why this is not bad faith. ] 18:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete'''. Just another elem/middle school. Nothing interesting, noteworthy or exceptional. Mere existence is not a criterion for inclusion in an encyclopedia. "All Schools are Encyclopedic" is like saying "All People are Encyclopedic" -- ] | *'''Delete'''. Just another elem/middle school. Nothing interesting, noteworthy or exceptional. Mere existence is not a criterion for inclusion in an encyclopedia. "All Schools are Encyclopedic" is like saying "All People are Encyclopedic" -- ] | ||
| *'''Delete''' as above. "All schools are notable" is a cop-out when articles like this prove the statement false. ] <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 10:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' as above. "All schools are notable" is a cop-out when articles like this prove the statement false. ] <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 10:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
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Cranbury School
Non-notable stub article with little verifiable information D. G. 00:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC) In the interests of disclosure, as suggested by AFD guidelines, you should know that WhisperToMe is the creator of the article and primary contributor. D. G. 17:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Note: We deserve proper disclosure by DG that he has apparently been involved in an ongoing personal battle with WhisperToMe regarding other, related articles. I would expect to see WhisperToMe or any other creator of an article defending their work. It's entirely unjustified to see someone with an axe to grind create an AfD and blame the creator for "bad faith". Let's see full disclosure from the nominator. Alansohn 18:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - A stub can always be expanded. The information about the board of education is easily verifiable (just check the Cranbury School website), as is the other content of the article. Also, this is a school district, not just any ordinary school. School district articles should be inherently kept. WhisperToMe 00:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- A good stub can be expanded. This stub isn't really expandable. There is not really any information beyond the basic statistics, ie, how many students, who are the administrators, on the official website. It's a small 600 student elementary school in a rural town. D. G. 00:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- It is possible to expand it - If one finds the history of the school (when it was established, if any major additions or overhauls were made), that would make a good addition. If the district served other municipalities and they broke away, that would be a good addition too. WhisperToMe 00:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- But no such history exists and you are being disingenous. You can claim all day that just about any article could be expanded to fill a fifty page article, in theory. But in practice, you and I know that it is certainly not possible and you are certainly not going to contribute to make more than a stub with a phone number directory. This is just another vanity school article, except with a stranger origin: namely, your violation of WP:POINT D. G. 00:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- No, I created this article because I wanted to get rid of the school-related category at Cranbury Township, not because of the PHS disputes. WhisperToMe 01:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- By the way, look what I found: http://www.cranbury.org/history/schools.htm - More material to supplement this article! WhisperToMe 02:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- No, I created this article because I wanted to get rid of the school-related category at Cranbury Township, not because of the PHS disputes. WhisperToMe 01:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- But no such history exists and you are being disingenous. You can claim all day that just about any article could be expanded to fill a fifty page article, in theory. But in practice, you and I know that it is certainly not possible and you are certainly not going to contribute to make more than a stub with a phone number directory. This is just another vanity school article, except with a stranger origin: namely, your violation of WP:POINT D. G. 00:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- It is possible to expand it - If one finds the history of the school (when it was established, if any major additions or overhauls were made), that would make a good addition. If the district served other municipalities and they broke away, that would be a good addition too. WhisperToMe 00:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- A good stub can be expanded. This stub isn't really expandable. There is not really any information beyond the basic statistics, ie, how many students, who are the administrators, on the official website. It's a small 600 student elementary school in a rural town. D. G. 00:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable --Xrblsnggt 02:06, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - The nomination makes to claims re notability and verifiability. In response, 1) Schools and school districts are notable. This article is just as notable as any of the 300+ school districts listed in Category:School districts in New Jersey, and the nominator provides no objective criteria that the article does not meet. 2) Every bit of information was verified and is verifiable using the sources provided. Given the fact that the reason for deletion are unsupported there seems to be no reason to justify deletion. If I read the contributions by User:DG correctly, it seems that this AfD may be in bad faith. Edits made by this user to Cranbury Township, New Jersey removing a link to Cranbury School and presupposing a successful AfD demonstrate that this AfD is at best quite questionable. Alansohn 02:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it was the creation of this article in the first place which was done very much in bad faith, if you'll read the record. D. G. 02:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- DG's statement claiming that this article was created in bad faith demonstrates that this AfD was part of some petty personal battle and not a good faith effort to identify irreedambly bad articles. I'd suggest that we get a better explanation of why this is not bad faith. Alansohn 18:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Just another elem/middle school. Nothing interesting, noteworthy or exceptional. Mere existence is not a criterion for inclusion in an encyclopedia. "All Schools are Encyclopedic" is like saying "All People are Encyclopedic" -- GWO
- Delete as above. "All schools are notable" is a cop-out when articles like this prove the statement false. doktorb words 10:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Which "statements"? And there is no parent district to merge in. This is a school district and a local government. Your statement fails because Texline, Texas is as notable as Cranbury School (a small Texas town) - this argument means that schools either get kept or merged into parent district articles. In the case of this school, there is no parent district. WhisperToMe 15:11, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- And, folks, I found even MORE data at http://www.cranburytownship.org/town_hall.html - I'm going to add all of this to the article. WhisperToMe 15:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- In fact, there is a consolidation history to this too. There were schools that closed, and those schools did feed into Cranbury School. WhisperToMe 15:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- And the old Cranbury School building is on the National Historic Sites list http://www.cranburytownship.org/town_hall.html - And the old building has an art gallery in it. Are you guys sure this isn't notable? WhisperToMe 15:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- It's also listed at http://www.state.nj.us/dep/hpo/1identify/lists/middlesex.pdf WhisperToMe 15:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Note: The article has changed since Doktorbuk's vote. WhisperToMe 16:36, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- On the contrary, WTM. I suggest that the information be merged into the Cranbury Township page. There is certainly a place to merge in to. D. G. 17:52, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- That would have been more feasible if Cranbury School served grades K through 12. But, it's K-8, and restoring the category to the Cranbury page would be misleading - The District Factor Group category applies to school systems, not the actual municipality. The Cranbury School is New Jersey District Factor Group J - Princeton Regional Schools (which serves high school students in Cranbury) is New Jersey District Factor Group I. Therefore two factor group categories apply to Cranbury's student body. As for listing both, the problem is that Cranbury doesn't have its own high school - it sends its kids to someone else's school district, which is listed anyway as Factor Group I. A school district is as much of a local government as a city, borough, etc. itself - Local government articles are notable. WhisperToMe 17:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- In fact, the trend now is to try to merge into the school district - When Clear Creek High School was up for deletion, at first merging into League City, Texas was considered, but later someone pointed out that it should actually be merged into Clear Creek ISD, since CCISD is the parent school district. CCHS was kept, but I'm showing the idea here. WhisperToMe 18:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep in this case because the school has a long history and the page is well-developed. But I wouldn't have an issue with a merge into a page on district schools. — RJH (talk) 18:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Cranbury School is the school district. The school district is literally made up of one school. If Cranbury school was part of a larger school district, I wouldn't have a problem with a merge. WhisperToMe 18:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)