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Let's be blunt: it is likely that white supremacists constantly make subtle edits this article to keep it from describing the KKK in any sort of negative light, gradually whittling away at edits that don't sound "historical". Again, I think ] urges us to not be so protective of the status quo, especially in situations such as these.] (]) 02:58, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Let's be blunt: it is likely that white supremacists constantly make subtle edits this article to keep it from describing the KKK in any sort of negative light, gradually whittling away at edits that don't sound "historical". Again, I think ] urges us to not be so protective of the status quo, especially in situations such as these.] (]) 02:58, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
:"The Ku Klux Klan (KKK), or simply "the Klan", is the name of '''a terrorist organization guilty of starting''' three distinct movements in the ]."
:I reverted on two grounds:
:1) ''Without regard for whether it is correct or not'', calling the Klan a "terrorist organization" in the lede is a substantial change that will need to be discussed to withstand the scrutiny it will no doubt attract. Now is as good a time as any to have that discussion. My gut feeling is that it is an accurate description. However, I would prefer that the description be sourced.
:2) Saying they are "guilty of starting" three movements is very odd wording. "Guilty"? Is starting the movements a crime? Have they denied starting the movements? I would suggest less loaded language about establishing the movements (incarnations of the KKK) while perhaps punching up the descriptions of those "movements". - ] (]) 03:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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Bad Grammar
There's a grammatical failure in the 'First Ku Klux Klan' section. There's a full-stop followed by a lowercase 'by' which doesn't make sense.
I don't seem to have the rights to edit this. Feel free to have a look at it or grant me rights to edit.
Similar change--the Greek word kyklos is misspelled.
thank you. :)
Back to FA?
I noticed this article is a former featured article, and doesn't seem to be too far away from that status. It might also be nice to try for Today's Featured Article on October 16 of this year, the centennial of the rebirth of the Klan on Stone Mountain. If this sounds good, I'll request a peer review and probably a Good Article status before FAC. Tonystewart14 (talk) 21:41, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
3 or 4 Klans?
The info box has the 3rd Klan going till 2000, then the 4th from 2006-onwards, but the text of the article only talks of 3 iterations of the Klan, the 3rd being ongoing, and mentions events in 2004, which according to the infobox couldn't be by the Klan (no Klan between 2001-05). No idea which is correct. 109.149.66.141 (talk) 10:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
The RS identify three clans. The fourth in the info box is based on a self published essay by an undergraduate, so I deleted it. The info box must reflect the article, and must be based on reliable secondary sources. Rjensen (talk) 10:53, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2015
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Not a "please change X to Y" request. Given that Hitler and the Nazis are not the same group as the Klan (they are only really known to share opinions on race) and therefore could have entirely different opinions about economics, you'll need a reliable source for the Klan not being extremely conservative or left-wing or socialist or anything like that. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 14:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Read the unabridged version of "A short history of Reconstruction, 1863-1877" by Eric Foner.
The Knights of The Ku Klux Klan is a terrorist hate group that started as a social club for confederate soldiers, that coincidentally (feigning shock) hated Northerners and blacks, after "The War of Northern Oppression". It evolved quickly. They were accused, rightly so, of attacking and killing blacks and Republicans both in the former Union and the former Confederacy. AFAIK they don't have a Socialist or Conservative message No matter what the politics of the writer... calling the Klan a Right-Wing-Extremist group is not any more correct than labeling the John Birch Society a Left-Wing-Extremist organization.
The Klan are most assuredly Democrats even though many in that party wouldn't like to admit that fact. The Democrat party is often associated with Left wing causes but the Klan itself is neither Right or Left wing. What they are is a terrorist hate organization that claims superiority of the "White Race" and hates blacks, Jews, and "mud races" and the people that support them.
Why do they identify with the Democrat party and not Republican? The Republican party was established for the express purpose of abolishing slavery. The Republican party was blamed, rightly so, for the war between the states and the freedom of Blacks and "mud races" the Klan hates. The Republican party was held responsible for winning the War of Northern Oppression, freeing "Inferior black and mud race" slaves, and worse yet (to the Klan) passing legislation to codify blacks civil rights after the war. Even more distastefully, for the Klan, was the acceptance of black men as Republican Senators and Congressmen as well as state legislators starting immediately after the war. The Republican president went so far as to press for and sign laws to completely outlaw the Klan but the Supreme Court eventually struck that legislation down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.230.43 (talk) 20:33, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Please review the talk page archives. Yes, the KKK was established by Democrats. It was and is, however, right wing -- as repeatedly established and discussed to death in the archives. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:41, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
I have reviewed the talk archives. The placement of political affiliation in the headline of the article is a calculated effort to paint this group as one "wing" or the other. Your reliable sources are hopelessly mired in their own political bias. My assumption that this was an attempt at being scholarly and as unbiased as possible is obviously mistaken. I will leave you to your transparently obvious bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.230.43 (talk) 00:03, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
It's my belief that the intro to Ku Klux Klan is sanitized to the point of being inaccurate. Per WP:Bold, I support the changes made by User:Runikmehrotra. Similarly, I had to add the word "racism" a few weeks ago, as it was nowhere to be found in the intro section of the article (and is currently only found elsewhere once in the article). Take a look at Encyclopedia Britannica. Or take a look at encyclopedia.com. I realize we're not EB, but they both provide a valid frame of reference and the disparity is objectively quite apparent.
Let's be blunt: it is likely that white supremacists constantly make subtle edits this article to keep it from describing the KKK in any sort of negative light, gradually whittling away at edits that don't sound "historical". Again, I think WP:Bold urges us to not be so protective of the status quo, especially in situations such as these.Strom (talk) 02:58, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
"The Ku Klux Klan (KKK), or simply "the Klan", is the name of a terrorist organization guilty of starting three distinct movements in the United States."
I reverted on two grounds:
1) Without regard for whether it is correct or not, calling the Klan a "terrorist organization" in the lede is a substantial change that will need to be discussed to withstand the scrutiny it will no doubt attract. Now is as good a time as any to have that discussion. My gut feeling is that it is an accurate description. However, I would prefer that the description be sourced.
2) Saying they are "guilty of starting" three movements is very odd wording. "Guilty"? Is starting the movements a crime? Have they denied starting the movements? I would suggest less loaded language about establishing the movements (incarnations of the KKK) while perhaps punching up the descriptions of those "movements". - SummerPhD (talk) 03:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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