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:No, of course it does not but this article has now become a promotional vehicle for the vegan movement. ] (]) 10:18, 27 June 2015 (UTC) | :No, of course it does not but this article has now become a promotional vehicle for the vegan movement. ] (]) 10:18, 27 June 2015 (UTC) | ||
::Yes, because every time anyone wants to advertize food, what's the go-to thing? Close-ups of astronomical bodies, everyone knows that! ] continues to demonstrate he has an unusually broad idea of "promotional" when it comes to this topic. I just think it's an irrelevant image, and I raised that point before. --] (]) 12:53, 27 June 2015 (UTC) | ::Yes, because every time anyone wants to advertize food, what's the go-to thing? Close-ups of astronomical bodies, everyone knows that! ] continues to demonstrate he has an unusually broad idea of "promotional" when it comes to this topic. I just think it's an irrelevant image, and I raised that point before. --] (]) 12:53, 27 June 2015 (UTC) | ||
== Commodity status of animals == | |||
Referring to the 'commodity status of animals' in the lead treats vegan rhetoric as fact. Animals are bought and sold but they are not treated as pure commodities. In addition to being bought and sold, many animals are treated with care and compassion, unlike genuine commodities. ] (]) 21:42, 28 June 2015 (UTC) |
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Possible contradiction
Doesn't saying, "As well as following an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of sentient animals." contradict with the 'dietary vegan'? I could be wrong.
External link in image and farming picture
A link to the video of a speech of Gary Francione was present in the caption of his picture. I believe that a video like that can definitely be used within the references of the page, but definitely does not belong to an image caption, which should describe what is the subject matter of the picture.
In the case at hand, a picture of Gary Francione should say that the person in the picture is Gary Francione, and should definitely not be "Gary Francione speaking about veganism, 2009".
I also removed the picture of the pigs, which was later reverted. Fair enough that vegans may claim that farming infringes animals' rights (and I would have rather chosen a picture of chickens in a high density battery). The reason why I removed it is because that picture is illustrating a section titled "Animals killed in crop harvesting". If such a picture is to figure in this page, there should be a relative section/subsection somewhere in the page that deals with vegans' views on animal farming.
In general, I think this page is a bit too biased in favour of veganism, and definitely lacks references on criticism of the practice.
--Japs 88 (talk) 09:46, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
- Good to see someone here who wants to present an encyclopedic article on the subject rather than a promotional vehicle for vegans. I had not noticed the video link or I would have removed it myself. Such links are clearly against WP policy. Martin Hogbin (talk) 10:22, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Picture of THE SUN
Does the article on veganism really need a giant picture of the sun showcasing a coronal mass ejection? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.117.14.5 (talk) 14:28, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
- No, of course it does not but this article has now become a promotional vehicle for the vegan movement. Martin Hogbin (talk) 10:18, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, because every time anyone wants to advertize food, what's the go-to thing? Close-ups of astronomical bodies, everyone knows that! Martin Hogbin continues to demonstrate he has an unusually broad idea of "promotional" when it comes to this topic. I just think it's an irrelevant image, and I raised that point before. --Sammy1339 (talk) 12:53, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Commodity status of animals
Referring to the 'commodity status of animals' in the lead treats vegan rhetoric as fact. Animals are bought and sold but they are not treated as pure commodities. In addition to being bought and sold, many animals are treated with care and compassion, unlike genuine commodities. Martin Hogbin (talk) 21:42, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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