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History merge

My god, I just did a history merge! You know, the "delete B, move A, delete A, undelete A, move A." There's a special procedure for admins, but it looks frankly even worse. Drinks are on me! Carry me on your shoulders through the gates of the city! Bishonen | talk 18:06, 23 June 2015 (UTC).

(watching:) I would if I could! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Um... I don't know how to say this, Bish, without raining on your parade. Do you want some constructive criticism now? Or would you prefer I wait for a day or two so you can enjoy the (usually well-deserved) smugness?

Also, when I saw the orange bar, I thought maybe you or Gerda were leaving a message to congratulate me for one or two mildly amusing things I've said in the last 3-4 days, but which (*sigh*) no one has noticed, leaving my self image as mildly witty on occasion in doubt. :( --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:01, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

You saying "No foul, play on" was so great, it's for life! Where would I have met you saying something new? I try to avoid the dramah boards ;) - (Bish, don't listen.) You meet me in infobox discussions again after I was released a bit. In teh case, I thought if I only show them (arbs) how useful they (the little boxes, harmless like images) are, they would win. Instead I was told to better "conduct themselves". I try, - please review my conduct ;) (#1, #2). I spend little time on it because (following Bach's cantata cycles) I set myself a goal of a GA per week, celebrating my initials, #3 will go for FA next year or later, #4 is ready for nomination, - it's St. John's day today ;)

ps pssst: I confess --- to be proud that Beethoven made it from suggestion in teh case to real, - I play on and enjoy it --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Übergrump

You recently described someone as an übergrump. I'm seriously thinking now of visiting CHUS with a request! I'm pretty sure that the person you so described went to the same Cambridge college as me, based on things they said about William Stone Building prior to and immediately after I created that article. The college only takes around 70-80 new undergraduate students each year and, since I am also an übergrump, perhaps causation really is correlation in this case ;) - Sitush (talk) 12:04, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

@Sitush: Which caused what? Did the college instill grumpiness in until-then normal people? Or did they recruit already-grumpy people? --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:00, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Ha, the old chicken and egg! I doubt anyone who attends Cambridge is truly "normal". They're either like me - people without privilege but bright and very independent of mind - or they're the more stereotypical Hooray Henry's whose life began with a silver spoon and ends with silver mountings on their coffin. (I knew a chap there called Pine-Coffin, btw: what a great name!) In fairness, my grumpiness was probably pre-Cambridge: I got extremely pissed off with what I perceived to be the naivety of Hugh Trevor-Roper at my entrance interview and called him a fool, amongst other things. He bought me a bottle of scotch when he next saw me, as a new member of the college. I think the likes of Michael Axworthy, Andrew Roberts and Guy Black will probably attest to a grumpiness in me that at least began on Day One in their experience, and that they are all much less so. Probably why they have got somewhere in the world and I have not, come to think of it! - Sitush (talk) 19:15, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

AIV (209.26.80.19)

Hi Floquenbeam, I don't believe you intended to remove my report with the other, unless I am mistaken. (). I won't restore it, I am sufficiently terrorized by your edit summary. Thanks! 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 18:45, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I already noticed I removed too many, restored it, and then blocked the IP. Sorry. But I'm glad to know the edit summary instilled terror, that was my goal. Just you weren't my target. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:46, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I rather figured! Thanks for all the hard work. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 18:47, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

You do the hard work, I just occasionally push the block button. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:51, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the other half of that, so much for avoiding the depressing. Facepalm Perhaps should switch to decaffeinated. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 20:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

You...

...are not in the clique. On the contrary, if you are not a content creator, then you are one of the targets of Blowfeld's blanket attack. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 23:39, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Floquenbeam is a reasonable guy I think, even if he thinks I'm abrasive at times ;-) If you don't contribute to content and all you do is relish in drama at the notice boards, making negative comments, then you're not exactly of value to the site.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:58, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, he is. I used to contribute a lot of content, but I got tired of fighting the vandals. But still believing in Misplaced Pages as a concept and as a first-look for information, I found the ref desks, where I hoped vandalism would be less of a problem. That was overly optimistic, but at least there is a good-sized group of "regulars" who are equipped to deal with the vandals. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 12:40, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

If you starting creating some stubs on Gabonese rivers or East Timorese villages I'm sure you won't have to worry about vandals! ;-).♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:28, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Don't be too sure. You would be amazed at what vandals will target. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 01:43, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Excuse me?

You may not like my view of Bishonen's bad faith actions, but that doesn't give you the right to revert without comment. If you have a problem with my view, have the basic courtesy to comment and state your disagreement. Resolute 14:56, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

(watching:) Talking about good faith: have you never hit the rollback button inadvertently? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

you have an unlimited amount of good faith, Gerda, but in this case it is misplaced. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:12, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Today's Sunday sermon is about mercy, - shamelessly inviting to a GA review, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Gerda, I have. And my very next edit is invariably to self-revert such a mistake. In this case, Floq is deliberately hiding an opinion he doesn't like and mislabeling it as "vandalism". Which is itself disappointing, because a former arbitrator should know better. Resolute 15:18, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Floq I'm sure my opinion matters squat to you but I do agree with Resolute, it isn't the sort that needed removed or classified as vandalism. If it bothers you consider hatting it? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 15:36, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

It's not that it doesn't matter to me, but I disagree. I have a deep seated hatred of smug hypocrisy like this. Editors wandering around demanding editors be banned because they aren't "civil" to others, but feeling free to make offensive personal attacks, with no basis in reality, themselves. "Vandalism" isn't accurate, of course, but if it annoys Resolute, then yay, that was the intent. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:46, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Let's not get all abrasive now Floquen, be nice ;-).♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:30, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Speaking of hypocrisy, suppose someone made a comment, and you ignored it? Resolute 16:03, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

WTF?

How dare you use revert on my edit? You think it was vandalism?! Doc talk 00:50, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

No, more like being an ass. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:52, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Please stop reverting. --NeilN 00:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

You should be stripped of your tools. You can't tell vandalism from personal attacks from dissenting comments. Doc talk 00:58, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Everybody calm down. I do think you need to explain why you have reverted a half dozen times Floq. This isn't a good hill to die on. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:01, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Dennis. I'm bone-wearyingly tired of the hypocrisy of people pretending to be so concerned about how important civility is, but the second they see an opening, they feel free to do the same thing back. Worse, really; in real life, that accusation, based on nothing, is worse than name calling. Anyone restoring that comment has no class; I'll trade a block for identifying as many of those people as possible. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:03, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't give a rat's ass if you think I have "class" or not. Follow teh rulez, "Floq". Doc talk 01:05, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Objectively speaking, I do see plenty of snark, but I regularly see worse and wouldn't, and don't, revert it myself. I have to put on the admin hat here and say that while the comment wasn't particularly constructive, the same could be said of many of the comments in that and other threads, and I can't see a rationale for redacting/reverting. I understand your frustration, but you need to keep your powder dry and pick your battles. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:08, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Nothing but bad faith in that remark, so personal insult, yes. 66.168.253.87 (talk) 01:13, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

The comment was a) not vandalism, and it was b) not a personal attack. This admin reverted it multiple times beyond 3RR, and he really should be blocked for edit-warring. Any other editor would be blocked for those reverts! I may have to make a big deal out of this one. Totally unacceptable behavior for an administrator, really. Doc talk 01:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

It would better if you didn't. Nothing worthwhile will come it, it was arguably snark, and if no reason that I'm asking you to please just not. I'm trying to get things cooled down, adding gas to the fire isn't what is really best for Misplaced Pages. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:19, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I am not going to restore it. You know me, Dennis! But he had zero right to remove it once, let alone however many times he did. And you know what I'm saying is right. Doc talk 01:22, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Get hold of yourself and stop edit warring. You're over 3RR. It's certainly rude and in bad faith but not a personal attack. Ed  03:13, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. DrKiernan (talk) 09:00, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Please accept this as a compromise. ~Adjwilley (talk) 18:33, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Not really thrilled with that compromise, but (a) I suppose, as a token of respect for your previous attempt to find some kind of compromise on the overall mess (even if it didn't pan out), I'll defer to your judgement, and (b) I'm not really in a position to do anything about it right now. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

You have reverted once again, after concerns were raised about your behavior and while the issue was under discussion at ANI. There is nothing at Misplaced Pages:Edit warring#3RR exemptions that exempts you from 3RR on this basis. You dared someone to block you . Consequently, you are blocked. DrKiernan (talk) 19:53, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

OK, 3RR is more important to you than smearing another editor's reputation. Noted. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Ouch, welcome to persona non grata. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

At least, unlike you, I was actually edit warring. "BLP" and "NPA" and "Civility" sure are interpreted weirdly around here. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

• I'd prefer that no one unblock me. Mostly because I see poor Sitush (just about the only person acting like a grownup), seems genuinely distressed about all the admins acting like idiots. I'm worried that he'd quit if someone started screaming "wheelwar" or something. Si, sorry for any distress my obstinacy caused you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

  Honourable. But none of the yelling mass will care. Sorry about that. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:43, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I like you obstinacy, - didn't I write already today that correct is not equal to right, and how they counted my comments to 3 in Talk:Laurence Olivier#a discussion but ignored the spirit of the others, and that not logic is the key word of the cantata title but heart? - Getting tired. - I also recommended a book and a stroll in an arb case request - perhaps you have time for it. You could also check if this is comprehensible? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:50, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Floq, got your ping and, well, no worries. I am incredibly fed up but that may be in part for medical reasons unrelated to WP. Although it almost certainly doesn't alter the fact that a significant tier of people involved with this place have basically imploded these last few days and it has been particularly frustrating to witness. Almost all of it seems to stem from a combination of someone "running to teacher" in the most stalker-ish manner and a series of (often involved) actions by people who should know better but obviously are also human and therefore trending towards their prejudices. Then there are people who, wittingly or otherwise, have used it to pursue long-held vendettas.

There are lessons to be learned but I have little hope that it will happen, for reasons that I would rather not specify right now but which possibly fall under the "sjw" category. I'm taking a break: I don't expect people to get on with each other all the time but I'm disappointed and demoralised at the moment. It looks like you are unblocked but that doesn't stop you from taking some time out from this madness if you so choose. - Sitush (talk) 00:25, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

• Oh what the fuck? I interrupt the drinking of Westmalle and the cooking of dinner so I can unblock you to find that Nisus's male companion already did that? For the record: it was a personal attack, since it suggests that actions are taking based on personal thingies, not on proper judgment or policy. Also, Doc, you have no business screwing around in here. Fight the power, sure, but fight it somewhere else: an admin does something on an admin's noticeboard, stay away. I could state it more strongly than that, but I think you know English well enough. Floq, I appreciate you sticking your neck out to do what's right. Now, I believe Eric got hisself unblocked to by someone who's bound to get soaked in shit too and that will give the Judge Moore's of Misplaced Pages plenty of reason to complain about how the letter of the law blah blah blah; but I really don't give a rat's ass. I'm logging off again--this is just to say to the good guys and gals, thanks. Floq, Bish, Reaper, Sitush, and a host of others, thanks. Drmies (talk) 23:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

• Wow Floq - you deserve a barnstar for conviction to put yourself on the line to make WP a little less indecent. Very impressive especially you are an admin & former arb. (But WP is too-far gone to be saved w/o radical reform - you know that, right?) BMK's public-board conjecture was a slur on Bish's ethics, so I agree it was PA. (I've noticed BMK somehow believes he's entitled to say any personal shit he pleases against others. And he always gets away with it. What's up with that?) IHTS (talk) 03:24, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Jesus. I go away for a family reunion and hell breaks loose. I've looked through the backstory and come to the conclusion that Misplaced Pages has too many assholes (not that I didn't know already). Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Arbitration enforcement

By motion, the Arbitration Committee authorises the following injunction effective immediately:

1. The case is to be opened forthwith and entitled "Arbitration enforcement";
2. During the case, no user who has commented about this matter on the AN page, the AE page or the Case Requests page, may take or initiate administrative action involving any of the named parties in this case.
3. Reports of alleged breaches of (2) are to be made only by email to the Arbitration Committee, via the main contact page.

You are receiving this message because you have commented about this matter on the AN page, the AE page or the Case Requests page and are therefore restricted as specified in (2). For the Arbitration Committee, L235 (t / c / ping in reply) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:30, 29 June 2015 (UTC)