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"...Béla I the Champion was crowned king of Hungary." King should be capitalized. Primergrey (talk) 01:08, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

No. AP Stylebook: "In general, confine capitalization to formal titles used directly before an individual's name" (my italics).

Example: "Capitalize president only as a formal title before one or more names." Sca (talk) 02:36, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes. From our style manual: When the correct formal title is treated as a proper name (e.g. King of France; it is correct to write Louis XVI was King of France. Primergrey (talk) 07:45, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

I will continue to challenge this policy. There is no logical expository reason to capitalize common nouns such as king, president, etc., unless referring to a specific person. (No more than with organizational titles, such as chairman, director, general, etc.) If we were writing in German, yes, but not in English. (In German, oddly, all nouns are capitalized.) Sca (talk) 14:14, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Challenge it at the MOS page then. Primergrey (talk) 14:27, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

How about this, then? Sca (talk) 14:36, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure how that challenges what Primergrey wrote. If you read the first line it points to the exact same thing written above. I raised a similar concern two weeks ago and you gave the exact same irrelevant reasoning. Please stop using this page to force through your own personal stylistic preference. If you want to change it, feel free to discuss it over at WT:MOSCAPS. Fuebaey (talk) 21:01, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

And please correct the error. Primergrey (talk) 14:34, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm curious: In Canada, do you capitalize prime minister when not referring to a specific person? Sca (talk) 14:39, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

How it is done in Canada has no bearing on this. How they do it in Hungary would be the question to ask (if we weren't clear how to do it on Misplaced Pages). Primergrey (talk) 14:52, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

It says "Canadian male" on your user page. Sca (talk)

Seriously, the MOS is very clear: King of Hungary, Hungarian king, Prime Minister of Canada, Canada's prime minister. It's not my preferred way of writing, personally, but it's our house style. Primergrey (talk) 14:59, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

So I guess this has turned into a stump for you to stand on and learn us all real good on about how the MOS is wrong? No better place than the main page, I guess. Primergrey (talk) 15:37, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Primergrey, can you offer a rationale for capitalizing selected 'glorious' titles when not referring to a specific person – other than this is the way we've been doing it? Sca (talk) 15:53, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Changed to King per our own MOS. That we don't comply with certain other manuals of style doesn't mean we should ignore our own WP:MOS. For any individuals who wish to seek to align Misplaced Pages's MOS to a particular external MOS, this isn't the venue to do it. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:09, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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