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you went against a 7:3 consensus here. I don't see how you can ignore the users who see the redirects as nonsense. ] (]) 04:33, 16 January 2016 (UTC) you went against a 7:3 consensus here. I don't see how you can ignore the users who see the redirects as nonsense. ] (]) 04:33, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
:{{yo|Legacypac}} Thanks for asking. I admit it wasn't an easy closure. I do think there's a genuine split of opinion with strong arguments for both outcomes. After one relist, I'm fairly confident that we'll continue to get a 1:1 or 1:2 keep:delete split from the wider community even if I opened that up for further discussion, so I think no consensus is the appropriate closure for now. On a side note, I think most agree that these are obscure / disused real words, so I'm surprised nobody suggested we should create Wiktionary entries and soft redirect there. ]] 10:05, 16 January 2016 (UTC) :{{yo|Legacypac}} Thanks for asking. I admit it wasn't an easy closure. I do think there's a genuine split of opinion with strong arguments for both outcomes. After one relist, I'm fairly confident that we'll continue to get a 1:1 or 1:2 keep:delete split from the wider community even if I opened that up for further discussion, so I think no consensus is the appropriate closure for now. On a side note, I think most agree that these are obscure / disused real words, so I'm surprised nobody suggested we should create Wiktionary entries and soft redirect there. ]] 10:05, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding your close for ] ==

I saw that you attempted to create an "edit notice" in your deletion summary for editors who may be looking up that title. I've actually tried to suggest that myself during another discussion: ]. However, it seems that what I was recommending either wasn't understood or just wasn't agreed upon, but I'm no sure. However, also, back then, I wasn't able to create edit notices. I wasn't sure if that would work for the close you made for ] since I assumed that edit notices only appeared on edit screen where the page exists. But, I thought I'd give it a shot and created ]. Turns out, even though the page doesn't exist, the edit notice appears on the edit screen below the deletion log and above the note stating that only auto confirmed editors can create the page. So, I just found out something today: Feel free to tweak the edit notice. ] (]) 18:49, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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Wikimania

Hi. It's nice to get a question about participating in Wikimania and not just organising a Wikimania!

The idea for Hong Kong to host a Wikimania has been suggested since we hosted the Chinese Wikimedia Conference 2006, and the intention for Hong Kong to bid for Wikimania 2013 was conceived at Wikimania 2011. Preparations for the bid began in late 2011 and the formal bidding process was in early 2012. Hong Kong was announced as the winning bid in May 2012, which gave us 15 months to organise the conference.

In terms of participation, it is not necessary at all to be "known to communities" before you attend Wikimania. Actually, attending Wikimania is the best way to make yourself known to the wider Wikimedia community. However, Wikimania is a very intense conference. In order to make the best out of Wikimania, I generally recommend new participants to have been editing a Wikimedia project for a year before attending Wikimania. If there's a local meetup nearby, it will be a good idea to attend it to get a general feel of offline Wikimedia events.

Don't let anything dissuade you though. Wikimania is an awesome conference, so the above are just some advice on how to prepare yourself so you can get the best out of Wikimania. If you want to go and have the time and money to travel there, just do it! Deryck C. 19:50, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

(Carrying on from email) I'm not sure what are your concerns. I agree that there is a significant threshold of entry for Wikimania organisers (and rightly so), but there is no barrier for anyone to become a participant. I was only trying to give some advice to help people enjoy Wikimania as much as they can. In fact, at every Wikimania there has been local people who had never edited Misplaced Pages and simply joined Wikimania because they were interested. Deryck C. 16:18, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
I'd prefer to have this conversation on-wiki so that other Wikimedians may benefit from it. Attending Wikimania is as simple as "apply, buy the flight tickets and go". Every year, there are CentralNotices (banners on every Wikimedia site) to encourage people to register for Wikimania. There's also a central page, m:Wikimania, where you can find information about Wikimanias in general. For local Wikimedia gatherings, see m:Meetup. Deryck C. 19:22, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
As you have decided to post on my talk page which is the talk page for discussing encyclopedic stuff, I would assume you are fine to receive a reply on your talk page on English Misplaced Pages. First of all, although getting a reply about past wikimania's from an attendee is good, you mistook my question(s), that were the time managements of a prospective attendee or organizer. As you are frank on answering questions overtly about wikimania, I just notice a bit of grammatical wording - 'I'm not sure what are your concerns' - that may be typical of a writer from an Asian background, therefore I assume you may not understand fully my questions. How early is the CentralNotice available online so prospective attendees can arrange their time ? Would attending local meetup provide quicker information about organizing and/or attending wikimania ? -- Ktsquare (talk) 19:46, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
@Ktsquare: Typically, the CentralNotice will be on for a few weeks as Wikimania registration opens. I think the Wikimania 2015 CentralNotice was up and is now taken down, but registration is still open. The quickest way to get information about Wikimania is to subscribe to mail:wikimania-l. Attending local meetups will give you a good idea of what offline Wikimedia events are like, because Wikimania is basically a very big meetup. Deryck C. 22:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Chan (2015) wrote, "The idea for Hong Kong to host a Wikimania has been suggested since we hosted the Chinese Wikimedia Conference 2006, and the intention for Hong Kong to bid for Wikimania 2013 was conceived at Wikimania 2011. Preparations for the bid began in late 2011 and the formal bidding process was in early 2012. Hong Kong was announced as the winning bid in May 2012, which gave us 15 months to organise the conference." and, "Attending local meetups will give you a good idea of what offline Wikimedia events are like, because Wikimania is basically a very big meetup." If I had known this perspective ahead of time in early 2005 which had already been three years after my registration at Wikipediae, I would not have waited until today to ask you about Wikimania. In retrospect, do you think " known to communities" (Ktsquare, 2015) is currently crucial to get up-to-date information about activities, projects and whatnots of wikimania and the Wikimedia Foundation ? -- Ktsquare (talk) 16:21, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

@Ktsquare: No, it's not crucial. However, I agree that it helps to have connections. The more meetups you go to and the more people you know, the more likely you'll be informed of future meetups... Deryck C. 10:43, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
@Deryck Chan: Given all you have mentioned above, one important aspect that I want to know for sure is do I need consent from senior community member from a wikimedia project, say the Chinese Misplaced Pages project or even a representative of wikimedia project in the wikimedia foundation or at wikimania to participate in any[REDACTED] project ? I have not received any idea of this aspect from at Chinese Misplaced Pages from their zh:Misplaced Pages:Bureaucrats -- Ktsquare (talk) 14:42, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
@Ktsquare: No. Be bold! Deryck C. 15:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

(Carrying on from email) I'm not sure what are your concerns. I agree that there is a significant threshold of entry for Wikimania organisers (and rightly so), but there is no barrier for anyone to become a participant. I was only trying to give some advice to help people enjoy Wikimania as much as they can. In fact, at every Wikimania there has been local people who had never edited Misplaced Pages and simply joined Wikimania because they were interested.

— Deryck C., User talk:Deryck Chan, 16:18, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

What can prospective organisers do if they want to help organise a Wikimania at their localities ? Say Hong Kong, Taiwan, or Mainland Chinese could do or have done to organise one from scratch ? A brief history will suffice. -- Ktsquare (talk) 02:47, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

@Ktsquare: See meta:Wikimania Handbook and wm2013:User:Deryck Chan. Deryck C. 11:52, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

St John's Blackheath

Hi. Having reviewed various sources I'm undecided on this one: independent sources seem to be split about 50/50 for either name. I wouldn't object to a rename to the shorter name, or to an alteration to the lead such as St John the Evangelist's Church (commonly known as St John's Blackheath) or St John's Blackheath (formally known as St John the Evangelist's Church). Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:02, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

@Hassocks5489: The church calls itself by the short name "St John's Blackheath" in most of its publications. So if independent sources are split for either name, I think we should move the article back to the short name and adopt the second proposed lead text you've given above. (COI declaration: I used to live in that area and attended that church regularly.) Deryck C. 13:40, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

You've been reverted.

Your 2011 edit to the Hamilton C shell article, removing a COI tag, has been reverted . There is some related discussion on the article talk page. Msnicki (talk) 20:33, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for your work on RfD! sst✈ 15:13, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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how did you possibly keep this page when it was a blatent puff piece and the only voters for keep were himself and his friends? wiki guidelines call for considering arguments and facts not majority. its a horribly sourced article and i disagee. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.194.149.117 (talk) 21:33, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


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Ferguson Plarre Bakehouses

Hi Deryck Chan, thank you for protecting the article. However, in choosing a 2014 version to revert to, the copyright violations on sustainability were restored--I think I removed it at least three times last night. Again, your assistance is much appreciated. Cheers, 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 12:43, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Cairo derby

You blocked Cairo derby from editing, but there is a mess, go and revert, or correct, scroll down and see the mess. thank you.--Fanatic of Football (talk) 22:51, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

@Fanatic of Football: With my limited knowledge about the subject, I'm not sure I can find a past version that is substantially better than what we have now. You may want to contact User:Ben5218, who requested the protection, for advice. Deryck C. 00:21, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for amability of replying, "Honours" section is modified (vandalised), try to revert it to the last version. (just the Honours) Anything is better that what is now ! Check ! I will also contact Ben. Thanks !--Fanatic of Football (talk) 00:24, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

@Fanatic of Football: I went all the way back to this edition and found a version of that table with sensible numbers. I've restored that. Deryck C. 00:31, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

That is perfect ! Also in Top goalscorers Abdel-Karim Sakr is vandalised, El Ahly (0) El Zamalek (9999) That is not correct, maybe you can also find it. Thanks !--Fanatic of Football (talk) 00:34, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

And if you allow me, I can improve a bit the article, to create a bit more of bluelinks !--Fanatic of Football (talk) 00:34, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Here you have some references to add please:

@Fanatic of Football: In two days time, the article's protection will expire, so you can do it yourself! Misplaced Pages:Be bold. Deryck C. 00:38, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

The problem is this article will be constant vandalised ! So in this situation we have to update it, and after permanent block ?--Fanatic of Football (talk) 00:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

@Fanatic of Football: You now have 244 edits. (How did you do so much on your first day as a logged-in user? How much time do you spend on Misplaced Pages?) In 4 days' time, you can edit semi-protected articles, so you'll be able to edit it even if I extended the protection. Deryck C. 00:45, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

I am in love with Misplaced Pages ! I will just do day night edits if I could do it. I spend all my free time here ! it is so much to do here, many many articles are low quality, but soon I want to create my own Misplaced Pages Football ! I need a team, they will work because they will be paid, not for free, add advertising, we will have a sponsor, and many others ideas I have, are you in ?--Fanatic of Football (talk) 00:50, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

We will have the football articles from this wikipedia, and take everything and improve it and add more and more.

Differences from current Misplaced Pages : we will allow the own research, because is football and anyone can make charts and statistics, tables, if you already have other informations about it ! (teams, players, scores, etc)--Fanatic of Football (talk) 00:53, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

We will add advertising, bet companies will be our sponsors, we will allow chats between users, we will have all time charts of the teams results, maybe a live score after ? what do you think ? I have so many ideas... can you create a different[REDACTED] working in a team, and be the boss from behind this future business ? We can make a complete site for football ! (and the difference is that we will allow people to edit or report errors) - there is no football website which allow people to add information or report errors !--Fanatic of Football (talk) 00:58, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

We will be famous like Mark Zuckerberg who invented facebook, but our site will be 5 in 1 ! facebook (chat for people),[REDACTED] (lots of information), google (with a search engine), live score (live time football scores and matches) and after even live matches and also a bet page, where people can choose what they want to bet, and our sponsors will be a sportsbook, with sure we will find with so nice webiste. Are you good enough to do it or to find a team to create something like this ?? i will do my best with the football part, and statistics, I already have a team with some of the best knowledge people about football.--Fanatic of Football (talk) 01:04, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

There's Football Wikia already :) Deryck C. 10:47, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Help decide the future of Wikimania

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The Wikimedia Foundation is currently running a consultation on the value and planning process of Wikimania, and is open until 18 January 2016. The goals are to (1) build a shared understanding of the value of Wikimania to help guide conference planning and evaluation, and (2) gather broad community input on what new form(s) Wikimania could take (starting in 2018).

After reviewing the consultation, we'd like to hear your feedback on on this survey.

In addition, feel free to share any personal experiences you have had at at a Wikimedia movement conference, including Wikimania. We plan to compile and share back outcomes from this consultation in February.

With thanks,

I JethroBT (WMF) (talk), from Community Resources 22:01, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Tossing votes calling the redirects nonsense?

you went against a 7:3 consensus here. I don't see how you can ignore the users who see the redirects as nonsense. Legacypac (talk) 04:33, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

@Legacypac: Thanks for asking. I admit it wasn't an easy closure. I do think there's a genuine split of opinion with strong arguments for both outcomes. After one relist, I'm fairly confident that we'll continue to get a 1:1 or 1:2 keep:delete split from the wider community even if I opened that up for further discussion, so I think no consensus is the appropriate closure for now. On a side note, I think most agree that these are obscure / disused real words, so I'm surprised nobody suggested we should create Wiktionary entries and soft redirect there. Deryck C. 10:05, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Regarding your close for 沙盒

I saw that you attempted to create an "edit notice" in your deletion summary for editors who may be looking up that title. I've actually tried to suggest that myself during another discussion: Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 May 16#Template:Other uses-section. However, it seems that what I was recommending either wasn't understood or just wasn't agreed upon, but I'm no sure. However, also, back then, I wasn't able to create edit notices. I wasn't sure if that would work for the close you made for 沙盒 since I assumed that edit notices only appeared on edit screen where the page exists. But, I thought I'd give it a shot and created Template:Editnotices/Page/沙盒. Turns out, even though the page doesn't exist, the edit notice appears on the edit screen below the deletion log and above the note stating that only auto confirmed editors can create the page. So, I just found out something today: Feel free to tweak the edit notice. Steel1943 (talk) 18:49, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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