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		The Jordan Barnstar of National Merit
		Excellent and noteworthy work improving Amman, Jordan to GA-status. LavaBaron (talk) 20:51, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

@LavaBaron: Thank you! --Makeandtoss (talk) 21:01, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Amman

On 15 October 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Amman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Amman, the capital of Jordan, is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Amman. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 13:47, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Al-Maghtas

On 6 January 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Al-Maghtas, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Al-Maghtas (pictured) on the east bank of the Jordan River is considered by Christians as the location for the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Jordan Air Ambulance Center

On 15 January 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jordan Air Ambulance Center, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that King Abdullah II donated two helicopters to Jordan's newly established Air Ambulance Center? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jordan Air Ambulance Center. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Palestinians

Hi Makeandtoss:

I'm afraid I don't understand this edit summary: "With the Syrians, that statement is no longer true. And no thats not original research".

By deleting information sourced to multiple reliable sources and not providing alternate reliable sources that support your version, you are engaging in original research.

Please explain. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 00:19, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

@Malik Shabazz: The information I deleted is quite outdated. 1.4 million Syrians, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, Yemenis, and Libyans have made a substantial change in Jordanian demographics. Well I didn't really add a 'version', I just deleted information that is no longer accurate. Next month, the official Jordanian 2016 census results will be released, you will see what I mean... Makeandtoss (talk) 00:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, but deleting sourced material because you "know" it's wrong is not permitted. See WP:Verifiability and WP:No original research. Please provide a source that says Palestinians no longer make up half the population or restore the information and wait until the next Jordanian census is published to delete the material you believe it will prove incorrect. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 00:41, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

@Malik Shabazz: Here's the census initial report . Makeandtoss (talk) 00:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Makeandtoss, for providing a source. While I have no doubt the census will vastly undercount the number of Palestinians—according to one initial report, the census will say there are only 634,000 Palestinians in Jordan—it is clear that if there are 9.5 million people in Jordan, 3.24 million Palestinians cannot make up half the population. Thanks again. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 01:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

@Malik Shabazz: That article is very biased, it neglects, accidentally or on purpose, the fact that some Palestinians have Jordanian citizenship. If they considered this very basic fact, their entire article and therefore argument is void and filled with non sense. Makeandtoss (talk) 01:51, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, much of the Israeli media parrots the far-right government ministers who believe that Jordan is the Palestinians' state (what the source disingenuously called "the 'alternative homeland' idea which has arisen several times among certain circles in Israel"). However, they claim to cite a Jordanian news article for their news that the census will include 634,000 Palestinians. In any event, I agree with you that including the assertion in Palestinians that Palestinians make up half the population of Jordan is not appropriate. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 02:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

@Malik Shabazz: Yes well, that statement that Palestinians make more than half the population is literally an advertisement for their right wing propaganda. Thanks anyway Makeandtoss (talk) 12:22, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Reply

It is there, buried in the article and not mentioned in the lead.... See for example the various conflicting studies mentioned at Genetic_studies_of_Jewish_origins#Mt-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews and Genetic_studies_of_Jewish_origins#Autosomal_DNA. Also, see Genetic_studies_of_Jewish_origins#Further_reading - the Nadia Abu El Haj book. Oncenawhile (talk) 16:46, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

January 2016

Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Mudar Zahran. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Misplaced Pages. This edit summary is unacceptable. Drmies (talk) 17:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Drmies: I did assume good faith for Smartse, 3 months ago. After having several discussions with him, it became quite obvious that he has no good faith in editing. His last edit was done now because he wants to benefit from the period where the article would be protected. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm glad you did, and it would behoove you to continue doing so. This nonsense about a Facebook group is ridiculous. "Last edit" makes no sense anyway since protection ran out on 29 December, and Smartse's last edit was 31 January; even if it did I don't understand what you are trying to argue. But it's immaterial anyway: your accusation is unacceptable and I urge you not to repeat it, or make similar remarks. BTW, I am about to semi-protect the article anyway: there is too much trolling and socking going on. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Drmies: Don't worry. I dont make baseless accusations. If you insist, I can send you the EXACT facebook profile of the german IP!!! I know these gang, they think they are smart. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, that would mean Smartse gets around a bit. See User:Smartse#Alternative_accounts. I don't insist on anything except that you don't make such accusations; if you think there is something that needs to be looked into and it involves linking IPs to accounts, you better keep that off-wiki. Drmies (talk) 17:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Drmies: Don't worry I know I am not allowed to link a name to an IP. Here you go, here's a tiny example. This is very very clear, both on December 1st., . I even know who the Canadian IP belongs to!! Makeandtoss (talk) 17:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

No, it is not clear. I don't know which Canadian IP you mean, and I don't really care. What you have is a tweet by the subject and a revert by Smartse--a revert that comes after this edit, which removed content removed much earlier already as a BLP violation, if memory serves, and which you then undo with a false claim of vandalism. Smartse's edit comes after you and that other editor go back and forth: it is Smartse's job to prevent BLP violations.

So you have given an incomplete account of what happened, and your suggestion of causation, that the tweet and Smartse's edit have something to do with each other, is untenable. Who knows, maybe the subject has friends or whatever, but you have no proof whatsoever that Smartse is one of the--to put it mildly. I really, really suggest you stop. I am sure you are aware of the discretionary sanctions authorized by ArbCom for that article (under WP:ARBPIA--specifically Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Final_decision), and I will not hesitate to topic-ban you from this and perhaps other articles. At this moment, I think you are at least guilty of playing fast and loose with the BLP, if you're not in outright violation of it; you've been edit-warring on that article for quite some time; you are failing to assume good faith; and you are threatening to out other editors. Please don't think this is not serious. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 18:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Drmies: As I said, that is a tiny example. I underwent several discussions over the period of months in order to get things correct, in alot of examples; Smartse suddenly refused to continue discussion on talk page, he also rejected participating in an dispute resolution that I initiated. Smartse is doing absolutely nothing to solve this conflict, he just prefers to revert. His latest revert, he claimed that the sources are primary and that the content doesn't have weight. I reverted him because he did not even care to check the sources, the last two were not primary. You accusing me of edit warring is obscene and I suggest that you turn this accusation to someone else. Someone perhaps like the ones operating a sockpuppetry network or the ones rejecting discussion.Makeandtoss (talk) 20:01, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

• Ah, I wish you had stopped before the last sentence. I mean, claiming you weren't edit warring is silly, but that claim isn't disruptive, but then you had to go and make the same accusation you did before--an accusation I have warned you to stop repeating. I am hereby banning you from editing Mudar Zahran and its talk page, and from the topic of this person in any other article, broadly construed, for the next six months. You can see what options for an appeal you have in Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions#Appeals_and_modifications. To be clear: continuing to edit this article means you will be blocked. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 04:26, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

@Drmies: What! I didn't accuse anyone in my last sentence, especially not Smartse of sockpuppetry.Makeandtoss (talk) 10:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. You made a blanket accusation that in the context cannot be read differently. Drmies (talk) 15:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Theeb

On 1 February 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Theeb, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Theeb is Jordan's first nomination ever to the Academy Awards? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Theeb. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC)