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britannica said : one of the greatest masters of a form of classical Arabic and Persian lyric poetry .

please see this link this page is not about turkish poetry of saib —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.182.37.43 (talk) 19:36, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:35, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Mirzā Muḥammad ali Sāib → Saib Tabrizi per WP:COMMONNAME

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-- Takabeg (talk) 09:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Claims with no sources.

Urməvi has recently begun to claim him as an Azerbaijani with no sources, if you take a look on the article you can see that all sources state that he was Persian. And the source which states that he wrote in his native Azeri, states that he was a Persian if you take a look here --HistoryofIran (talk) 09:48, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, he was a Persian, what means that he was from Persia, not that he was ethnic Persian. In iranica there are nothing about "Persian people". If it were so his native language would be Persian, not Azeri. Let's think a little bit logically. --Interfase (talk) 16:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Err.. what? the source clearly says that his was Persian, not Azeri. If he wasn't Persian, then they wouldn't call him that, now that's logically. You edit on Nizami Ganjavi has already been reverted by others, and so will this probably too. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:01, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Did I say he wasn't Persian? No. Read the article again. It's written there that he is Persian poet. But in this case "Persian poet" means "poet from Persia", not that "he is an ethnic Persian". Sources doesn't say that he was an ethnic Persian. So stop wasting my time and yours as well. --Interfase (talk) 06:52, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Sigh.. how can i discuss this with someone who can't even understand a simple sentence? --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:41, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about me. I understand everything very well. You cannot understand that the term "Perisan" not always means "ethnic Persian". --Interfase (talk) 11:54, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

What do you think?

Can someone please come and help us with this little problem? it seems that Interfase don't understand the meaning of Persian poet, so i would be glad if someone told him. No sources state this person was Azeri, all the sources state that he was Persian. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:28, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

I think user HistoryofIran doesn't understand the meaning of Persian poet. He thinks that Persian poet means poet, who is an "ethnic Persian". But there no sources saying that. --Interfase (talk) 10:58, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Sigh.. that makes no sense, oh well, let's see what the people decide. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:45, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

No, that makes sense, because you want to give the link to the Persian people article, which is about ethnic Persians. --Interfase (talk) 15:41, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can see, the references only mention that he is Persian, i.e. from Persia. Since Persia in this context refers to Iran, from the listed references we can state that he is Iranian. Consequently, I suggest we link him to Iranian poets. Borek 9 (talk) 21:42, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I think it's okay to use the Persian people link. -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 04:05, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

@Kouhi: per talkpage. Persian is country not ethinity. IRANICA: Saib was known to have written 17 ghazals and molammaʿs in his native Azeri--Samək 20:26, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: In your opinion He said Azeri poetry according to the source Iranica?-Samək 20:47, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Both Britanica and Iranica support his Persian ethnicity. "celebrated Persian poet of the later Safavid period" and "Ṣāʾib, in full Mīrzā Muḥammad ʿalī Ṣāʾib, also called Ṣāʾib Of Tabriz, or Ṣāʾib Of Eṣfahān (born 1601/02, Tabrīz, Iran—died c. 1677), Persian poet,..." if you read. It is clear enough. The country is Persia, not Persian, Persian is the name of an ethnic group, that "Turkish dialect of his native Tabriz" means that Tabriz was his "native" city and the dialectic of Tabriz was Turkish, it does not mean that he was an Azeri, and "Persia poet" is grammatically incorrect, so I have to revert your edit as the sources support my claim, please don't engage yourself in an edit-war, or I would report you to an administrator. -- Kouhi (talk) 20:54, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: I'm waiting for answer!!

@Kouhi: Here is not Persian Misplaced Pages. Instead of threatening words try to calmly discuss. If the order is Persia, placed in a sentence that would be (Persia+n Poet). Never can write Persia poet because it does not mean.

According Iranica, according to opinion Pan-Farsism/Iranism is the most reliable source in history of Iran. according to the same source Saeb Tabrizi has poems native Azerbaijani language.--Samək 21:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Sources

1. PAUL E. LOSENSKY, "Sa'eb Tabrizi" in Encyclopedia Iranica "ṢĀʾEB of TABRIZ, Mirzā Moḥammad ʿAli (b. Tabriz, ca. 1000/1592; d. Isfahan, 1086-87/1676), celebrated Persian poet of the later Safavid period. "
2. Safavid Iran, p 91.
3. Maapri Publication of Rajastan, India, (Retrieved on: 2 January 2009)
4. "Ṣāʾib." Encyclopædia Britannica from Encyclopædia Britannica 2007 Ultimate Reference Suite .(2008)

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