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Proposed deletion of Articles I've written

• Santa Maria al Paradiso (Milan), Valerio Corte Basilica of San Savino, Piacenza Discalced Carmelitan Order, Vitale Sala and Ernesto Rigamonti

Santa Maria al Paradiso (Milan) I just tagged Basilica of San Savino, Piacenza for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

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Antonio Beccadelli

Hi. I fixed your page move of Antonio Beccadelli. When moving a page, it's best to include the complete page history rather than just copying the latest version. If you have questions, please ask. -- Mufka 13:27, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Category:Italian Vedutisti

Category:Italian Vedutisti, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Just a note

Ciao! Just a formatting note: please don't put centered captions in images. As you can see, they're always put normally. Ciao e buon lavoro! --'''Attilios''' (talk) 08:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Also reading "Francisco da Volterra" was really frightening... ;) --'''Attilios''' (talk) 18:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Other notes: please add the country of the entry (es. "in Pisa, Italy"), and do not use boldface in the book titles in the cite book template. Ciao!! --'''Attilios''' (talk) 19:41, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I see you're not checking advices at all, as your new articles are as poor as the previous ones. In general, I see they lack a bit of self-review, like when you left Ca'Rezzonico red link in Giorgio Massari (also, for complete birth and death dates, give a quick check to the Italian articles). Ciao e buon lavoro! --'''Attilios''' (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Panels

Ciao! Please stop adding such panels are they are highly intrusive and not standard. Add instead a footer, like for example that you can find in Titian, Raphael etc. works (i.e., you could add a footer "Venuses in western art" with just links to the separate articles. Putting image galleries with items not described by the articles itself is a bit out of place. Buon lavoro. --'''Attilios''' (talk) 06:52, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

I've just seen your very useful addition of Faenza Cathedral. Maybe my additions there should be useful for you to make new articles in Misplaced Pages format, categories etc. Ciao! --'''Attilios''' (talk) 07:03, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Translations

Thank you for translating Jacopo Guarana from the Italian Misplaced Pages. However, for future articles, please use {{translated page}} on the article talk page to indicate the source article you used for translating. With the appropriate input, this template provides a permanent to the source article which is important to keep the free license of the content. The template documentation is also very helpful. Regards, De728631 (talk) 22:05, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for the new article! Let me know if you ever have any questions!

—Theopolisme 02:08, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Ways to improve Carlo Murena

Hi, I'm Nixie9. Rococo1700, thanks for creating Carlo Murena!

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Nice addition

to the Franklin Simmons article. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:34, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

St Mary Major

You said "St Mary Major is not common use in English, by my examination of academic and non-academic sources in English, nor by the own church's english website." The first line of the churches own english website reads "Situated on the summit of the Esquiline Hill, St. Mary Major is the only patriarchal basilica of the four in Rome to have retained its paleo-Christian structures." My point is, what you said is the opposite of what is true. The church DOES officially refer to it as "St. Mary Major" in English. Start reading the paragraph here http://www.vatican.va/various/basiliche/sm_maggiore/en/storia/interno.htm Xkcdreader (talk) 06:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I will post this in the above talk site also.

• First, my comment on the examination of academic and non-academic sources in English stands.
• Second, the title of the page above is The Papal Basilica Santa Maria Maggiore
• Third if you take the Italian version of the paragraph you cite (from the same website):

(La Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore, situata sulla sommità del colle Esquilino, è una delle quattro Basiliche patriarcali di Roma ed è la sola che abbia conservato le strutture paleocristiane. Una nota tradizione vuole che sia stata la Vergine ad indicare ed ispirare la costruzione della sua dimora sull'Esquilino. Apparendo in sogno al patrizio Giovanni ed al papa Liberio, chiese la costruzione di una chiesa in suo onore, in un luogo che Essa avrebbe miracolosamente indicato. La mattina del 5 agosto, il colle Esquilino apparve ammantato di neve.)

and compare it to the same paragraph translated using google translate; you get:

The following is the translated version: The Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore, situated on the summit of the Esquiline Hill is one of the four patriarchal basilicas of Rome and is the only one which has preserved early Christian structures. A note tradition has it that the Virgin Mary herself and govern the construction of the Esquiline Hill. Appearing in a dream to the patrician John and Pope Liberius, she asked to build a church in his honor, in a place that she would miraculously indicated. On the morning of August 5, the Esquiline Hill was covered with snow.

The following is the English version as found on the page you cite: Situated on the summit of the Esquiline Hill, St. Mary Major is the only patriarchal basilica of the four in Rome to have retained its paleo-Christian structures.

Tradition has it that the Virgin Mary herself inspired the choice of the Esquiline Hill for the church's construction. Appearing in a dream to both the Patrician John and Pope Liberius, she asked that a church be built in her honor on a site she would miraculously indicate.

The morning of August 5th, the Esquiline Hill was covered with a blanket of snow.

Ultimately I get the sense, that the sentence order of the English and Italian versions are identical; one is a translation of the other. Ultimately, I think the Italian preceded the English. I get a sense that the English is a translated version, bcause the sentence starting with Appearing has an akward structure; it is somewhat run on and ends in a somewhat dangling phrase. My question, to which I do not have the answer is whether the translator in this exercise tried to translate Santa Maria Maggiore to make an effort to have all the words in English for the paragraph. He obviously did not translate the title. However, how did he come up then with Mary Major, since most of the translation engines I tried (Babelfish, Google, Bing) did not make that leap. I don't know. As I said before looking at literature sources, there are a few sources that use St Mary Major, but they are clearly a minority, and some of them have an anglophile disdain of Italian use, calling Livorno, Leghorn, etc. I still don't think it translates to common use. Again, I stand by the title of the website you cite: The Papal Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore.Rococo1700 (talk) 02:12, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

A page you started has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Napoleone Boni, Rococo1700! Misplaced Pages editor Uncletomwood just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

its a good article.keep up the good work!

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• an important note

Although you are certainly allowed to base an article on content taken from the Italian Misplaced Pages, you must not use Misplaced Pages articles themselves as references. Instead of citing (article X), cite the references listed within (article X).

I've removed that error from two articles which you recently created, but you've created many articles and I don't have time to verify all of them today. DS (talk) 14:16, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I saw your note on Dragonfly's talk page. Let me try to explain further. Misplaced Pages is not a primary or secondary source, and it shouldn't be used as an authority for information like someone's date of birth. If you are uncomfortable citing books that you haven't currently seen, that's ok, and you can use the Citation Needed template or leave them unsourced for someone to fix later. But please don't cite Misplaced Pages itself as a source. There is a policy that addresses this point at Misplaced Pages:Source#Misplaced Pages and sources that mirror or use it. --Pine 20:31, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

"Italian" painters

Hello. I came here after noticing you often edit some pages I've also recently been editing. And I see that you are quite a prolific contributor. Could I perhaps just suggest that to avoid anachronisms when introducing earlier Italian artists in the lead it may be preferable to link to Italians rather than the current geopolitical entity of Italy? (For example, "Pinco Pallino was an Italian artist of the High Renaissance...") Saluti, 86.151.103.208 (talk) 17:54, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Adding: I realize you may not agree with this... I gather there was a big discussion on Misplaced Pages about quite what the page for Italy should refer to. It just seems to me that we're often talking about Italian people rather than citizens of Italy in the modern sense. I'm not sure if there's anything about this in Misplaced Pages's voluminous virtual style manuals. Cheers, 86.151.103.208 (talk) 18:17, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

No objection.Rococo1700 (talk) 19:07, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Emanuele Caggiano (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

added links pointing to Pliny, Capodimonte

Giuseppe Bortignoni the Younger (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

added a link pointing to Vatican

Emanuele Mollica Tommaso Conca, and Pietro Antonio Avanzini

Hi Rococo, a doubt, it's Emanuele Mollica (like the title of your article) or "Emmanuele Mollica" (as written in the article)? One of the two things should be fixed... --Cavarrone 07:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for getting involved in Tommaso Conca. It's nice to know someone who cares about this field laid eyes on it. For one thing, I didn't know how to unorphan the article. trespassers william (talk) 19:29, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

• Pietro Antonio Avanzini

Hi. I liked your article about Pietro Antonio Avanzini. Do you have photos of his paintings to add to the article. That would make the article even better.

Cheers!

(Dreambeaver(talk) 05:50, 21 January 2014 (UTC))

Fresco painters

Hi Roccoco, I saw your note at the category page. My original reasoning for creating this category is not to separate these painters from any other category, but to use this category as a basis for (eventually) geolocating frescoes. Most frescoes are in churches and public buildings, and knowing which artists worked where is a great way to discover artworks that are not on Wikimedia Commons yet. So my reasoning has less to do with the use of plaster in the genre per sé, but more to do with the integration of the projects with local progenitors, Breugel, Piet and Boccio - bothe close to the Italian Renaissance. Gallery Uffizi in Florence would be the place. The date is 1750 (considered at this point in time, as later Romantic.

Featuring your work on Misplaced Pages's front page: DYKs

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WikiProject assessment tags for talk pages

Thank you for your recent articles, including Luigi Rubio (1795 - 1882), which I read with interest. When you create a new article, can you add the WikiProject assessment templates to the talk of that article? See the talk page of the article I mentioned for an example of what I mean. Usually it is very simple, you just add something like {{WikiProject Keyword}} to the article's talk, with keyword replaced by the associated WikiProject (ex. if it's a biography article, you would use WikiProject Biography; if it's a United States article, you would use WikiProject United States, and so on). You do not have to rate the article if you do not want to, others will do it eventually. Those templates are very useful, as they bring the articles to a WikiProject attention, and allow them to start tracking the articles through Misplaced Pages:Article alerts and other tools. This can help you too, as the WikiProject members will often defend your work from deletion and try to improve it further. Feel free to ask me any questions if you'd like more information. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:49, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

Whiteguru (talk) 20:48, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

~ Anastasia (talk) 00:56, 3 March 2014 (UTC) :)

~ Anastasia (talk) 17:35, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Scenic designers as painters and Francesco Tortoli

Thanks for your note on my page. I had assumed that this category was leftover from the original stub article which got him confused with a painter born with the same name. When it was updated by Voiceditenore, I just assumed that the category had remained.

Given you comments, I've no great objection to the category being re-added, especially as you have that reference - which maybe you can link into the text somewhere? All the best, Viva-Verdi (talk) 14:10, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Greetings. Since you started the article today, I've been digging into more of my sources and have raised the question on the Talk:Francesco Tortoli page as to whether we are really writing about the same person. William Ashbrook, the more-or-less definitive Donizetti source (and whose book I have), only mentions him by surname as having authority to sign contracts with composers, especially after Barbaja gave up as Intendant in April 1824 (Donizetti and His Operas, page 606). Looking further, I find that he is referred to in Herbert Winestock's bio as the "Intendant" who could sign contracts(p. 40), so it is not the same "young man" who died in prison.......

Your Grossi source supports the idea of someone named Francesco Tortoli as a Florentine painter born in 1760..... Any help you can provide would be useful. Please leave any response on my talk page: Talk:Viva-Verdi. Thanks. Viva-Verdi (talk) 20:32, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

A page you started (Andrea de Litio) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Andrea de Litio, Rococo1700!

Misplaced Pages editor Polyglot just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

I reviewed your page and connected it to its Italian and French counterpart via wikidata. There is a lot more information in both French and Italian which could be translated and added here.

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Hi, I'm Polyglot. Rococo1700, thanks for creating Andrea de Litio!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Thanks for creating Andrea de Litio, you could improve the page with the wealth of information found on the French and Italian articles.

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Some baklava for you!

Thanks for creating the article Polyglot (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Oscar Lopez Rivera Issues

• Your complaint about edit warring at Oscar López Rivera

Most likely your complaint at WP:AN3 will close with no action unless you have more data to provide. See the comments there. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

In the article's talk page you proposed deleting the "nationality" field from this article's infobox, "either the nationality entry is deleted or made into..." and I went ahead and did it. However, I don't think that either of you is likely to find a consensus on the issue since this is sort of a circular argument. Perhaps keeping the field blank would solve the matter? - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:29, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Greetings, we have similar problems at Filiberto Ojeda Ríos. Glancing at the talk discussion some clear similarities jump out at me. Factual inaccuracy: Lopez was convicted under the federal armed robbery statute (18 U.S.C. § 1951). It is called "Interference with Commerce by Extortion Consisting of Threats, Violence or Fear" because interstate commerce is what makes it federal. Use of a firearm added 10 years to his sentence. This is a violent crime. Poor Sourcing: Reference to "political prisoner" in the lead is not a WP:RS but a press release for the book by Luis Nieves Falcón. Falcón wasn't a journalist; he was a socialist, nationalist professor who "has been at the intellectual and activist forefront of every major modern campaign for Puerto Rican sovereignty." Most of the sourcing is poor or absent entirely. I think given the extent of the issues in the articles use of a third opinion WP:3O might help. Strictly speaking there are more than 2 editors involved but an independent seasoned outsider, very familiar with wiki policy, could resolve the POV issues in short order if Mercy11 and company will consent to it. I floated the idea on the Ríos talk page and he changed the subject without shooting it down completely. Eudemis (talk) 14:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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• Oscar Lopez Rivera, FALN, and Terrorist label

Hello Rococo1700. I am going to suggest that instead of including the statement as such "a Stalinist terrorist group which fought to transform Puerto Rico into a communist state during the 1970s", which as I stated would be POV, is that instead it be written as " considered a Stalinist terrorist group by the United States which fought to transform Puerto Rico into a communist state during the 1970s" with a source and that way it will not seem as a POV statement. Tony the Marine (talk) 21:01, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Aside from Oscar López Rivera, I would appreciate some help in making references to the FALN stick in the ledes of Filiberto Ojeda Ríos and Alejandrina Torres (among others on the Clinton pardon list). Per Misplaced Pages notability requirements, these people have no demonstrable notability outside of their roles in the FALN.--Froglich (talk) 01:29, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Ways to improve Onofrio Palumbo

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House of Caracciolo

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House of Vendramin

Two points here: 1) It is rather bad manners of you to move without consulting the talk page an article of some size which has at least one main author who is still very active, and 2) Vendramin family is much more idiomatic and less pompous. I think "House of.." should be reserved for the princely families of Germany and Central Europe. I will move it there if I can. Johnbod (talk) 13:48, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Please read WP:AFD

Hi, Please read WP:AFD and how to vote, Simply sticking a gallery in to an AFD page with no explanation isn't very helful!,
Thank you. –Davey2010 • (talk) 01:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I apologize for the "ridiculous" comment - Inserting galleries into afds is generally unhelpful but I guess you wasn't to know that so I perhaps should've AGF better!
I've removed yours and my comments on the afd as I would rather discuss it then argue, Anyway yeah I apologize for the comment,
Have a nice day, Regards, –Davey2010 • (talk) 13:52, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Italian painters

Hi, I was looking at a couple of the articles that you have been creating on Italian painters, and I noticed a couple of things.

1. According to the Manual of Style (WP:OPENPARAGRAPH) the place of birth should be mentioned, but not together with (date of birth – date of death). See where it says: "Birth and death places should be mentioned in the body if known, and in the lead if they are relevant to the person's notability; they should not be mentioned within the opening brackets."
2. Also, some of the pipe links had the order backwards. If you want to link to the page on "Italian people" but display "Italian", the order should be like this: ]. This is easy to get backwards, so when I finish an article I always click each link to make sure it displays the page I wanted.
   

Anyway, those articles were great. Thanks for creating them. --Margin1522 (talk) 18:44, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Achille Salata for deletion and Antonio Paticchi article as Stub

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Thanks for all your articles

Hello Rococo. Almost every day I look through all the new articles related to architecture and am always impressed by how many interesting additions you manage to make, sometimes several in just one day. I suppose you realize you have created over 1,700 new articles since 2011, most of them about Italian churches, buildings and architects. I have not taken the trouble to add many of them to WikiProject Architecture but I would invite you to add those you think might benefit from the work of other editors, especially the more notable ones. It might be fun to work some of them up to GA or more. You may of course also contact me if ever you feel you are in need of assistance as I am fluent in Italian and am interested in architecture. Otherwise just keep up the excellent work.--Ipigott (talk) 14:32, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

The Barnstar of National Merit

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Cathedrals / Duomi

"Duomo" is not the same as "cathedral", as for example at Lendinara. Please leave me a message if you would like more explanation. Eustachiusz (talk) 20:14, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

I sort of agree that they are not identical: to me Duomo always has the overtones of a dome.

However the first-line of the Misplaced Pages entry for Duomo states:

Duomo is a term for an Italian cathedral church. then it goes on to say it could be former or present, etc. I am not certain if the Lendinara church is the present cathedral.Rococo1700 (talk) 23:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

The article does indeed say that - but it doesn't say that all duomi are cathedrals. Compare it to the Italian article, which starts: "Il duomo è la chiesa principale di un centro urbano. È spesso anche la cattedrale della diocesi", which makes it much clearer. A cathedral is (nearly) always also a duomo, but a duomo isn't necessarily a cathedral. In English, a church is either the seat (or former seat) of a bishop, in which case it's a cathedral; or it isn't, in which case it's a church. Lendinara, for example, has never had a bishop, so its church - whether or not it's a duomo in Italian - cannot be a cathedral, and never has been, so the English article can't refer to it as one. Does that help? Eustachiusz (talk) 01:16, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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I didn't expect such a quick response! The Russian Tonci did spend some time at a place in Rome called the "Accademia di Fonti", but it's not clear if he was a student or a teacher...and the academy itself doesn't come up on Google, so I think your solution is a good one. (PS: There was a "Sigismondo Tonci" from Siena who was about the right age to be Salvatore's father, but he was a doctor.) WQUlrich (talk) 17:20, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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I noticed that ".. in Georgia" and "... in New Jersey" are empty and have been nominated for speedy deletion. I had a brief hunt for NJ paintings with articles but with no success. I think the Georgia category should be disambiguated with (US state), so probably wise to let that one go anyway.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:09, 20 January 2016 (UTC).

I created a stub... All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:32, 20 January 2016 (UTC).

Borghese Collection

What's going on here? We need Category:Borghese Collection, which has now been deleted. Were you responsible for emptying it? Johnbod (talk) 13:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

I am not sure of what you mean. I recall altering the categorizations, but do not recall if I changed the categories from Borghese Collection to Collections of the Galleria Borghese. I tend to agree with the recategorization however. I suspect your concern is that some of the works collected by the Borghese have ended up in other museums, such as the Louvre. Many of these works are antiquities, now categorized as Borghese antiquities, under the category of "Collections of the Gall....", which in effect they are not. However others would argue that those works are not part of a "Borghese Collection" any longer and would be best categorized as "Formerly part of the Borghese Collection". I think it is too complicated to categorize objects according to provenance, since such inventories can be quite complicated.

If your complaint is only that we changed from Borghese Collection to Collections of the Galleria Borghese, then I disagree with your concern. I would urge you to look at the category of Category:Collections of museums in Italy (or any other country) and see that the grammatical construction of the entries fits the latter. Within the Collection of the Galleria Borghese are three subcategories of painting, sculptures, and antiquities. The latter still contains the works from the Louvre. I think that is a minor inconsistency, and which I would overlook because they were once in the Borghese. Bottom line, as you can see , I do not see why we need the Borghese Collection, unless you are embarking on a project of categorizing former accumulated collections. Rococo1700 (talk) 18:39, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Huh??!!! You say "I think it is too complicated to categorize objects according to provenance" but this is exactly what you are doing! You did indeed do these edits, only a few days ago, on the 15th. . and added "collections of the Louvre" to "Galleria Borghese"! Crazy. Please stop doing these manic, ill-thought out category changes. Johnbod (talk) 19:00, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

I've restored the category as I think it was. Can I remind you that deliberately emptying a category will normally lead to its deletion, as here, and so needs to be raised in a deletion discussion at CFD. Johnbod (talk) 19:33, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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Drive-by tagging

I note by doing some comparison work on various versions of "Bentavenga de Bentivengis" and "Nonantola abbey" that you have been tagging numbers of proper names, creating red empty links thereby. Please, either look up the correct links, or do nothing. Just bracketing every proper name is no help to anybody. --Vicedomino (talk) 08:11, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

I believe Vicedomino is referring to WP:REDNO. Drive-by tagging is something else. Ibadibam (talk) 20:43, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Not sure I agree all the time. I created hundreds of redlinks for articles on painters, that were subsequently filled with article. I am also working through hundreds of links to places, mainly churches. We have to keep in mind that redlinks can be a way of tagging articles for completion. Also I did link an Orsini name to a pope. It might help someone someday searching through names to reach the pope. Many of the concerns of REDNO do not apply in that case. Rococo1700 (talk) 05:09, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Re tagging and Bentivenga de Bentivengis

In regard to your stubborn comment, I can only hope that this exchanges prods YOU to greater efforts, not just with the bracket keys, but also with looking afterwards, and making some effort to fix the problems you create. You could easily have used the search function to figure out Nonantola. --Vicedomino (talk) 05:29, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Always try, but again, I am not sure it is always a problem. So I am not likely to change. My view of Misplaced Pages has been that the entries are still heuristic, rather than only settled review. For certain areas, for certain entries, the latter should predominate now. For others, it remains a work in progress. Sorry if it bothers you.Rococo1700 (talk) 16:18, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

The phrase "heuristic, rather than only settled review" doesn't make total sense to me. Do you mean that article names are decided by trial and error, rather than review by multiple editors? That's sort of true, but the consensus process overrules any individual contributions, where applicable. Creating redlinks isn't inherently disruptive, and I myself don't have a problem with it, but Rococo1700, I think we'd all appreciate it if you checked your links a little more thoroughly before creating them. If you'd be a little more careful, then other editors wouldn't have to take as much time to fix your links. For example, you link to disambiguation pages when there is a more precise link that should be used (you may find it easier to check links if you use a tool like linkclassifier). And the case of linking to Monastery of Nonantola when there is already Nonantola Abbey is another good example where a little more care from you will make less work for everyone else. We're all trying to make Misplaced Pages better for readers; let's make it easier for each other to do so! Ibadibam (talk) 18:24, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Again, if that is your concern, I still disagree. This argument is beginning to get weird. You should take more care to look at my contributions before making such an assessment. First of all, my previous understanding is that it is not wrong to create links for that redirect to the same topic. It will make it easier for people seeking Nonantola Abbey if there is a redirect from the Monastery of Nonatola. I have made that redirect clear. I think you are wrong to not do so. By doing so, you make Misplaced Pages better for readers. Finally, I do not apologize for populating Misplaced Pages with a few thousand entries regarding painters. I have to say that when I started, most of the entries had redlinks for masters and pupils of many painters. Part of my efforts have been to make those redlinks refer to an article, and now that process became easier. Sometimes it is hard because a painter can have names spelled differently, or nicknames. Part of the goal has been to make it easier for someone to link a name to an entry. You should spend time doing that rather than arguing against that. Again, a few years ago, I felt the Italian painter category was highly incomplete, and my entries were chockfull of redlinks. At present, there are likely some 5000 entries for Italian painters. The most comprehensive encyclopedia of Italian painters has over 100,000 names, but many of the entries are just or nearly only that, names with an era. I would imagine entries with more meat are likely 20,000. That would be an ambitious goal. One way of determining what is left to be completed is to keep a list of names without an entry. I prefer to redlink many of the names, and hope they are filled overtime. It has been quite successful, thank you. For example look at my goal of trying to create links for all the pupils of Pietro da Cortona or Federico Barocci. Again, if your concern is disambiguation pages, that is something I periodically try to dig through. I do not know why you claim that always has to involve time for others, since the messages on my discussion page are robot-generated. Different editors will have different styles. Also I have never claimed that I disagree with consensus process, that is a strange claim by you. I have written thousands of entries that have been further edited by thousands of other editors, and I welcome it.

Arrivederci.Rococo1700 (talk) 04:07, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

I absolutely welcome your contributions, and I meant no offense! And as I said, I have no issue with your redlinks, for the most part (It was Vicedomino who raised that issue). Redlinks have an important purpose, per WP:REDYES, and the vast majority of your edits fall well within that purpose. Also, thank you for creating a redirect at Monastery of Nonatola. Had you created that redirect at the time you created the redlink, it would have been much better. Since you have some expertise in the subjects you edit, you are the best person to create suitable redirects, or link to the correct page instead of a disambiguation page. Leaving this work for other editors means that 1) they may be more likely to direct the link to the wrong page, and 2) until those other editors do that work, which may take weeks or months, our readers don't have a useful link to follow. The best time to address disambiguation links is not periodically digging through, as you say, but immediately after you create them. The bot-generated disambiguation link notifications are not informational; they are a request for your immediate action. As the one who has addressed most of the disambiguation link notifications that have been left above at this talk page, I would certainly appreciate your taking just a little extra time to improve the quality of your links. I'm not suggesting you change your approach, only be a bit more thorough.

Last, I want to request clarification again. I don't claim that you disagree with consensus; I don't understand what you meant by "heuristic, rather than only settled review", and was asking whether "settled review" was referring to consensus. Could you restate this phrase, so I may understand you better? Ibadibam (talk) 18:57, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Rapolla Cathedral

So far, it has not decided to eliminate the category, so it is valid to use the more specific category--Warairarepano&Guaicaipuro (talk) 15:21, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

that's not the point, the point is if a person wants to search for "Cathedrals by country" the category "Cathedrals in Italy" is needed, and if you want to search "Roman Catholic cathedrals by country" category "Roman Catholic cathedrals in Italy" is needed. Not only is Italy, it is to maintain order in the categories. As I told you as a category is not eliminated, it is valid and correct use it.--Warairarepano&Guaicaipuro (talk) 21:08, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

According to Misplaced Pages in Italian https://it.wikipedia.org/Cattedrali_in_Italia#Chiesa_ortodossa and English https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_cathedrals_in_Italy most of the cathedrals in Italy are Roman Catholic, but there are also two Greek Orthodox (Greek Orthodox Church; San Giorgio dei Greci and tempio della Santissima Madre di Dio e San Nicola di Mira ). and 2 cathedrals Italian Albanian Italo-Albanian Catholic Church (St. Nicholas Cathedral in Lungro and Cathedral of St Demetrius the Martyr in Piana degli Albanesi), if we follow your theory these are all Roman Catholic cathedrals and is not. So as I said, until it is deleted by voting this category, it is valid to use it ... not only because there are many similar categories in many other countries, but to separate them by religious denomination, So if I can answer your question perfectly and easily.--Warairarepano&Guaicaipuro (talk) 20:32, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

No my theory is have one category: Cathedrals in Italy, and then two sub-categories with the churches above.

Much simpler and easier. Does that counter your argument, perfectly and easily?Rococo1700 (talk) 23:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Really I do not understand why this is a problem, so much anguish for a single category. The category does not affect you at all, just this allows organized Catholic cathedrals by countries, it is very simple to understand. It is not something I invented, is a common practice to organize buildings by religious denomination. When the category is removed, then I'll let of using it--Warairarepano&Guaicaipuro (talk) 16:30, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

I have explained why I object, when your create a category for 395 of the entries out of 400 (I am assuming that is the number of Cathedrals in Italy), it makes for more clutter. rather than when you make one a subcategory for the 5 that do not fitRococo1700 (talk) 02:38, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

the categories if made with a logical and standardized order, do not have to create disorder, opposite, They can facilitate the search for something. Check other similar categories, and you can see that it is a common practice, There is no minimum or maximum number of pages that can be included in a category--Warairarepano&Guaicaipuro (talk) 19:05, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

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