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Title?

I believe that a more appropriate title would be "Attempts on Mahatma Gandhi's life" or Dr. Sushila Nayyar testified to this effect before the Kapoor Commission and she considered this an attempt at assasination. This incident has also been portrayed in the film Gandhi by Sir Richard Attenborough.

I checked the screenplay of Gandhi for the mention of this incident. The script can indian dragger

Dr. Sushila Nayyar testified at the Kapoor Cmmission Enquiry that Nathuram Godse was stopped and detained by Ashramites as he tried to reach the Mahatma and a dagger was found on his person. The police report of the assault also placed before the Kapoor Commission says that a Jambiya (Indian Curved half Sword) akin to the Machete was confiscated from one of the group consisting of Nathuram Godse, L. G. Thatte and other unnamed protestors arrested while trying to prevent the Mahatma leaving the Ashram. The police report says it wasn’t certain that they meant to harm the Mahatma but they were armed and determined to stop the Mahatma from meeting Jinha at any cost as evident from their recorded statements.`

"Controversy over Hai Ram"

The section Controversy over Hai Ram doesn't contain the text "Hai Ram", but "Ram Ram". Neither "Hai Ram" nor "Ram Ram" are defined. Tempshill (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

The heading is now "Controversy over last words". The reports cited are those from eye-witnesses, which are not in agreement; leaving aside the movie scripts which dramatize the events.Fconaway (talk) 22:28, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Nathuram Godse?

Was this person really involved in the second, third and fifth assassination attempts as well?

Please review. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Catofgrey (talk • contribs) 23:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

What's with the pretentious use of his middle name?

Why is Gandhi's middle name used in the title of this article and repeatedly in the text? I mean, is there any confusion about whom we're talking about here? "Assassination of Gandhi" would be just as precise and far less pretentious, but I'd settle for "Assassination of Mohandes Gandhi." But all this use of the Karamchand name, a name more or less totally unknown to history, is just breathless and silly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.98.24 (talk) 14:05, 11 October 2009 (UTC) Assassiantion of Gandhi could also mean Indira Gandhi]or Rajiv Gandhi]that said,Karamchand is also used in the main article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.164.19.156 (talk) 04:56, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Article should talk more about WHY Gandhi was killed

This article talks about WHO killed or tried to kill Gandhi; but it doesn't explain WHY so many people wanted to kill him. This article should be expanded to include mention of why people wanted to kill him. --SJK (talk) 09:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I found this weird too. The wiki page for Gandhi touches on it at least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.228.145.220 (talk) 13:16, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

@ SJK - Added a section on reasons with citations Notthebestusername (talk) 06:42, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

And I have reverted it because the cites are completely inappropriate -- e.g. Dalvi's play is not a credible source. —SpacemanSpiff 09:02, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

@ Spaceman - In that case, can you please delete only the Dalvi play reference, and retain the rest (which was taken from the Godse trials proceedings and the books written by his relatives)? Notthebestusername (talk) 11:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

PS - I am referring to Tushar Gandhi's book, Nathuram's court testimony in the trial and Gopal Godse's book in which he ahs added his own comments. The references given for the edits can be seen on the article page. If one, am a great admirer of Gandhi. However, I also feel that it is good to know the other side of the coin Notthebestusername (talk) 11:14, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

The problem with using trial references is that it isn't a secondary source (see WP:RS). I haven't read Tushar Gandhi's book, so I'm not commenting on that. And if we use Gopal Godse's words, then it should be on an attribution basis only. —SpacemanSpiff 15:47, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

@ SpacemanSpiff - I agree - hence I have commenced the section with "according to... and the trial ... "(the trial statements forms a large bulk of Gopal Godse's book too). Tushar Gandhi's book is available to read on the above link, wherein he also focusses on what Nathuram said during the trial. Gopal Godse's book is also available to read on the links in the references section. The Godse family also maintains a website where these have been discussed (I have used the latter with care, as it tends to be over zealous in trying to justify Nathuram's stand. - I think the wiki article should only state his reasons, not try to justify them) Notthebestusername (talk) 08:42, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Jonathan Ascton quote

"Fanatics have been killing Intellectuals since time immemorial. You have Christ, Socrates, Mansoor...but what happened on 30th January was diametrically opposite ! An intellectual killed a fanatic. This is unique in history of mankind : Jonathan Ascton"

This is the first time I've ever been tempted to put a "citation needed" in an article. Just where did this quote come from and what the hell is it about?

Influences of his death on the Indian society?

Moin moin!/Hello! Could someone add a part/section about the influences of his death on the Indian society?
On the one hand there is a national holiday on his birthday, on the other (hand) …
Thank you very much in advance! Best regards Jens Liebenau (talk) 17:02, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Matyrs Day is on Jan. 30th, the day of his assasination... is this what you are asking about? Avenzhang (talk) 23:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Aftermath section

The third sentence of the first paragraph doesn't make any sense. "More than 6,000 brahmin set to fire" Originally, it read, "more then 6,000 brahmin set to fire." I changed the grammatical errors, but it's still a fragment and needs some work to complete the thought. I'd do it, but I don't know what the original author was trying to convey. It probably also needs a citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gestroud (talk • contribs) 03:51, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Captions?

Could someone please translate the captions of the photos? 132.162.170.18 (talk) 15:21, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

which photos are you referring to? Notthebestusername (talk) 08:44, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Mercy asked by Gandhi's family

Hi guys. I'm not any expert on the issue nor English native speaker... but anyway: what about a section here commenting the fact that the family of the Mahatma asked the judges to pardon the assassins (killers) and not the send them to hanging. Once I read about it, you know. I think this also shows the high spiritual level Gandhi was and his friends... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.188.165.66 (talk) 12:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Died immediatly or died later?

Two sections of this page contradict each other: "Gandhi died almost immediately. Godse himself shouted "police" and surrendered himself." vs. "There has been no explanation of why he was not rushed to the hospital and was instead taken to Birla House, where he later died."

Which is it? Bojo1498 (talk) 15:18, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Writing style

It looks as though this article was written by a high school student trying to pass a history class their freshman year. I'm sure the article could be revised to look more professional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.236.195.34 (talk) 12:47, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Reactions?

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=4cU-AAAAIBAJ&sjid=nkwMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3992%2C2795814 is The Indian Express report that carried the reactions of other world leaders on Gandhiji's death. How about a news section on that? Any other material / sources too? — Editor5454 (talk) 12:33, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Unreliable websites

Notthebestusername: I reverted some of your edits as they rely on unreliable sources such as advocacy websites. This is a historic event, described in better quality, peer reviewed HISTRS sources, which is what we must rely on for this[REDACTED] article per the content policies. Further, some of the content you added repeats what is already in the article sourced from RS. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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Godse's statement on the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi

It is very relevant to the subject of this article and is summarized from WP:RS. The lead needs to be based on WP:RS and WP:LEAD guidelines, and not be about someone's former neighbor. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 12:54, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Please don't perfunctorily repeat Misplaced Pages banalities. It is not about my neighbor, but about sourced text reported by dozens of sources which I am in the process of adding to the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fowler&fowler (talk • contribs)

Dial down your strange irrelevant "my former neighbor" style edit summaries, please make them more relevant. This talk page is not a private forum, but one that is public and citing[REDACTED] guidelines is helpful to others in understanding revert/restore actions. I will give you time to edit and add sources. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:23, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@Ms Sarah Welch:, I am not done, but need to sleep. Have changed to underconstruction. Please do not edit. I will return tomorrow and finish. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:25, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok. Roy Olin Stratton etc seem like eccentric source(s)! Why do you consider them WP:RS? Till tomorrow, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:54, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done yet. Will need three or four more days. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:59, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

F&f: This is a live article...... what I fixed were gross errors such as an incomplete sentence "Godse and his assassination accomplices were residents of .", harv errors, etc. Nothing major. If you need to, why not copy the whole article and work in your sandbox? Take your time, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:55, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Sarah Welch: I was trying to fix your bizarre: "were residents of the Deccan." They were residents of Peninsular India as well, as well as residents of the Indo-Australian tectonic plate. (Those are all primarily geographical or geophysical characterizations). Incomplete is better than howlers such as the one you had introduced. That article has a banner up top. People understand there will be mistakes here and there. I gave you plenty time and plenty length of rope when you were mangling, not to mention strangling, the article with nonsense such as Godse offering "civil disobedience" in Hyderabad state. You took a week, or was it two weeks? Did I interfere and edit war? I did not. Please return a small fraction of that same courtesy and back off for a few days. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:04, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Allow me to ignore your unconstructive remarks. If you object to ""Godse and his assassination accomplices were residents of the Deccan region", the solution isn't to leave the following in a live article: "Godse and his assassination accomplices were residents of ." in a live article! You can improve it with "Godse and most of his assassination accomplices were residents of the region now known as Maharashtra.", or whatever you believe is best supported by multiple RS. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Nandy's comments on anti-statist etc in the lead

I removed Ashis Nandy's comment "openly anti-statist, anti-Brahmanic, disaggregating, emasculating" from the lead. How is this due and relevant to the subject: assassination of Gandhi? I have replaced it with Godse's comment from Mallot source. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:13, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I added them, temporarily, to explicate the bit you had already added, "Godse's motivations and courtroom testimony on the assassination has been appraised, states Markovits, in the most contradictory fashion." to separate to strands of incomplete attribution and to make the point that "contradictory" was implied only in style and approach, not in content, as both examples given by Mallot are critical of Godse: one taking him to be irrational, the other taking him to be deeply, insidiously, and biasedly, rational. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:19, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Sarah Welch: I gave you plenty time to turn this into a third rate article. Please let me finish improving the article. You've taken on the wrong editor. I have forgotten more about Gandhi than you will ever know. Please back off. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:02, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Sources and sourced content

Fowler&fowler: I have recovered the sources and sourced content. You had all of last week, there is no tags anymore, no evidence that you are working on it. I have not removed your content, re-arranged it per WP:OVERCITE. Please see WP:OWN. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:05, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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