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Invention

Given the sate of things and in order to save what could be salvaged; How about an article on the invention? Using the information and references, and reorganizing the lay out.

It's OK to remove this message.--DDupard (talk) 10:02, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

There's no need to hurry. Things may still change, as has happened before with other biographies and the same crew. Let us just keep improving the biography by supplying better references and citations. Also, it's best not to add further counter-productive comments to the page de suppression. --Elnon (talk) 11:54, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Should it be removed? I do think, though that there is a confusion between the 2 Pages Berton A and Y--DDupard (talk) 12:30, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Yves Berton's page is bound to be removed, judging by the number of votes against it. The sooner it is gone, the better for Alain Berton's page. I for one have voted against it.

The current ratio is 11 to 14, so there is still hope. And there may be surprises. --Elnon (talk) 13:29, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Rendlesham Forest Incident

Thanks for adding the Randles quote. If anyone queries the source you give, I can tell you that the quote actually comes from p.222 of a book titled The UFOs That Never Were by Randles, Andy Roberts and David Clarke, published by London House in 2000: http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-UFOs-That-Never-Were/dp/1902809351 This might be a more acceptable reference for Misplaced Pages, even if not as much fun. Skeptic2 (talk) 12:09, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lor for this most welcome reference. I have added it to the new section. In the future I may make a few more additions and changes to the page based on my rewriting of the French page. --Elnon (talk) 01:32, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your continuing support on the disruption of this entry by FilakiusWiki. Based on the similarity of name, and the style of his edits, I am pretty sure it is the same person who used to edit under the name DrFil. https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Dr_Fil. He was warned several times on his Talk page about disruptive editing and vanished at the end of 2014. Seems he is now back under another name, and is being warned again for the same thing on his current Talk page. Skeptic2 (talk) 23:20, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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Any request welcome

Or Hint, mind you Elnon, I like to work with this shadow -avatar- --DDupard (talk) 07:13, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

When you have time

@Elnon:, Hello Elnon, when you have time, could you please double check this , thanks--DDupard (talk) 13:15, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, DDupard, I have just had a look at the page. Nice work! I will come back to it in the next few days. --Elnon (talk) 01:29, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

@Elnon:, Thanks a million, your help has been very valuable, page patrolled and checked (fast!)--DDupard (talk) 12:35, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

@Elnon:, hello Elnon, if you enjoy the "exercise", I translated (a bit sloppily, I must say) this one as well: Georges Danion;)--DDupard (talk) 11:31, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

And (almost forgot), a bit on this one as well Jean-Marie Baumel--DDupard (talk) 11:43, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

PS: I hope some day, I'll meet those guys for a party in paradise (Berton and Sarre included)--DDupard (talk) 11:51, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

How about Latin?

Hello Elnon, for a change? / (if and when you have time)--DDupard (talk) 12:49, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

At school, Latin was my forte but unfortunately, with the passing of time it has becomme a distant memory (same with my Russian). I'll have a look at the second page though since it's in French. --Elnon (talk) 13:53, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Elnon I am certain you could help!! What I produced (in latin) is pitiful --DDupard (talk) 14:26, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

You did it!

@Elnon:, how about L'Équipe former CEO in :fr?--DDupard (talk) 10:22, 17 October 2015 (UTC) @Elnon:, really, am I completely wrong on that one? I am curious about your opinion.--DDupard (talk) 17:09, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid you're wasting your time on what is simply the resume (CV) of just another senior executive. I would give the page a wide berth if I were you. --Elnon (talk) 07:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok @Elnon:, thank you for your frank opinion, the first draft was a bit more interesting though, and I am talking from a French expatriate point of view, thinking about France global perception --DDupard (talk) 07:36, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

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Hello @Elnon:, I got this link, from some well meaning person , and checked the corresponding pages on both English and French WP, felt that some complementary information could be added to some of the French pages..... It came from an NPR interview . Pfuiff! Quite a job! ;)--DDupard (talk) 19:17, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Panchen Lama

You and me are both trying to improve the above article. But I am only on the talk page - in both french and english - since I do not write correct in either language. The greatest fault on both articles (french and english), that's the quotations the 10th Panchen Lama is supposed to have said in his last speech. The quotations are false and that is easy to prove since we have a link in the article to the speech in a good english translation. You have corrected other faults in the article but not this one. Maybe because you feel that this one is hopeless ? That there will so many to contradict you if you try? I have that feeling too, but I still encourage you to try. Cordialement --86.221.104.20 (talk) 10:49, 30 April 2016 (UTC)Mio Nielsen, Aveyron, France.

reinter

You changed "reinter" to "rebury" at 10th Panchen Lama claiming the former is not a word, but it certainly is even if they spelled it wrong by including a spurious hyphen. As there's nothing wrong with "rebury" either, I left it that way, but I thought you'd like to know. Mathglot (talk) 09:27, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know that "re-inter" / "reinter" does exist. The online bilingual dictionaries I use ignore the word. I should have looked it up in the Online Etymology Dictionary. --Elnon (talk) 10:18, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Etymonline is great and I use it all the time, but it's the labor of love of a single individual, and I wouldn't rely on it for searching for words which may have prefixes or be uncommon. Stick to the large, monolingual dictionaries instead, like Oxford's, Merriam-Webster, American Heritage, and the like or the websites derived from them and you will have better luck. Mathglot (talk) 10:52, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

10th Panchen Lama

I noticed that you pasted a paragraph of text from 70,000 Character Petition to 10th Panchen Lama. What's your objective here? The original article already has all this information about criticism, as well as five times as much about #Praise but we don't want to copy all of that into the article, too. The section on the Petition on the Panchen Lama page is merely intended to be a brief summary summarizing the longer 70,000 Character Petition article and doesn't need an entire paragraph about criticism from the main article. There's already a {{Main}} link at the top of the section where anyone looking for more detailed information can find it. Can you please revert or find another solution?

Also, don't forget when you do copy text between articles that you should credit it in the edit summary. Mathglot (talk) 10:46, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

I have added the paragraph as a counterpoint to Isabel Hilton's questionable opinion on the Petition ("It remains the most detailed and informed attack on China's policies in Tibet that would ever be written.") --Elnon (talk) 02:11, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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@Elnon:, do you think a bottom of the page template would be appropriate? Like here Pamela Kyle Crossley--DDupard (talk) 18:18, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the tip. That template is a valuable addition to the page. --Elnon (talk) 00:42, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

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Danielle Bleitrach

Hi and thanks for all your work on the Bleitrach article! It's a perplexing AfD to me. If I may offer one suggestion, if you have time to keep working on entry (I'm sorry I don't have time to do more right now)--I'd recommend that instead of having a list of sociological critiques, you incorporate that commentary into the descriptions of the book in question, so that there's more prose with citations. So they'd read something like, " is about , and thought it was good in while criticized ." With citations for each reference of course. I'm hoping that would make it clearer how much of the entry is substantiated with strong secondary sources. No worries if you don't have time or don't like this idea, just a thought! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:25, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

PS, I should be clear I don't think this is more "correct", only that it's more familiar to en-wiki editors, and so might help clear up the AfD. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:28, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Innisfree987. Need I tell you how much I appreciate your support in this AfD and your help in improving the Bleitrach article. I too have considered merging the critique of Bleitrach's journal articles with that of her books, but it is so much work that I prefer to leave the text in its current form. If eventually the English article is deleted, its French counterpart will still be available (I have already started adding to it). Thanks again for your helpful edits and suggestions. --Elnon (talk) 19:28, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

I understand completely, it's a great deal of work and honestly it shouldn't be necessary for the AfD--the existence of sources is supposed to be what matters, so how they're presented shouldn't matter. It's frustrating to feel like it is having an effect. Well in better news, I'm glad the French article will be there, in the worst case scenario, but I think the AfD will likely close as no consensus, which at least will allow more time to work on it (and hopefully prevent re-nomination later on). Thanks for all the work you've done already! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:42, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

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Tell something

At the end of the Qing empire, Tibet became the protector of Britain. After the establishment of the Republic of China began to compete with the British Tibet as a protectorate. There is a saying that Tibet has always been the protection of the Qing empire until the Qing empire directly to officials to Tibet, the formal completion of the annexation, so that Tibet into the territory of the Qing Dynasty. There is also a saying that the Dalai Lama is a symbol of the Tibetan state, this position is like the emperor of Japan or the British queen, as long as the Dalai Lama still exists, Tibet has been the status of the country, the state is maintained until the Dalai Lama in India . Because you are not the Chinese people so that only some of the Chinese people to check and see the understanding of the information in my own way to explain to you. Because of the modern politics, history will always be rewritten to reinterpret, I as much as possible to provide information before the 1953-1997 AD to explain the literature to you, but after all, it is difficult to obtain online version of the paper version of the material, so the simple description of the text , In the Tibet (1912-51) trying to make difficult to obtain the online book information to add the past, fix the first page of the wrong content and views. And hope that you will not repeatedly propagate the wrong information, until the British and the Republic of China forces to leave Tibet, Tibet has lost the identity of his protection of the country.--1.170.18.230 (talk) 16:41, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Surely you mean Britain became the "protector" of Tibet, not the other way round. I am afraid I cannot grasp the message that is conveyed in the rest of your post. --Elnon (talk) 18:02, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

I can do all the way that the view will change because of the times and the government's position.

Can not say that this is neutral, but as much as possible to pass the earlier view to you, rather than in recent years.

May be mixed with the views of the Tibetan government, but if you look at the Chinese information,you will find that the Chinese information I have provided is the early official view of the Republic of China.

Finally, if the editing errors please amend directly, I will not UNDO, because I can do all done, the rest is to let other people confirm that there is no error--1.170.18.230 (talk) 18:45, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

I tried to simplify the description.If you have information on the Chinese version of the treaty signed by the United Kingdom and the Republic of China, you will see the Republic of China claim to become the "宗主國(Sovereign country)" of Tibet.--1.170.18.230 (talk) 18:56, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

As for the later territorial claims, the Republic of China regarded the identity of the sovereign state as possession of Tibet's sovereignty, but the view of the Republic of China is a problem, after all, there are sovereign states have protection. At that time the Republic of China was with the British agreement which part of the British, which part of the Republic of China.

That is, there is control of Tibet but not complete, even in World War II is completely lost control of Tibet.

So in that era, there are two major problems, one is the diplomatic understanding of different, first, the real state of Tibet is not stable, which,that is due to the Republic of China's political instability and cultural differences with other countries.

With the Republic of China's point of view to explain the relationship between Tibet, the Republic of China is the sovereign state of Tibet, so Tibet is the territory of the Republic of China, rather than as a protectorate. But the British perception is that Tibet is the protectorate of the Republic of China.

In addition, the regime of the Republic of China is too confusing, so the policy of Tibet is inconsistent and can even be said to be chaotic. The local government and the central government have signed agreements with Tibet. Also played several wars. But Tibet has always refused to become China's territory. If not because it has been unable to become a territory, after the stability of the People's Republic of China do not have to invade Tibet.

This link can be used for reference. Because there is included in the original regime, be written quite detailed, although this book strongly explained that Tibet is China's territory, but the evidence is too rough. If you read the book included in the first-hand and second-hand information will be more understanding why I said rough. As a person who can understand the Chinese, read too much of this distortion of historical books of Chinese books. In the past when the high school, the class teacher is a history teacher, I learned from his side only history and culture can be made, field visits and the search for first-hand and second-hand information to understand the roots is very important.--1.170.18.230 (talk) 20:01, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

I have a feeling you're none other than Tr56tr. Am I mistaken ? --Elnon (talk) 09:15, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Auroville

Hi, this is about my edits on Auroville, a national fossil park Auroville (National Fossil Wood Park)) and an ancient temple (Chandramouleeswar temple - this is not just about Hindu temple but about 10th century history architecture (Auroviulle buildings have been inspired from local Indian architecture) has take of area around auroville and the larger in-situ context within which Auroville sits in the area) of historic importance are in the vicinity of Aurovile, they have relevance specially when the residents of Auroville are involved in their stated objective of community development, environment and ecology preservation and sustainability, etc. Must consider every edit in GOOD FAITH and keep an open mind to understand that Auroville, though a standalone entity, it does not exist alone as it sits within the local community with which it aims and undertakes programs to integrate with. You reverted my edits at twice, first with reason that my edits are not in alphabetical order. I recreated the edits in alphabetical order, you reverted the edits again with a different reason that why they other wiki articles of importance in the vicinity should be there as external link. First of all, please specify all you objections in first revert itself so that they can be addressed, otherwise repeated insertions by me to address each objection by you and reverts by you with a new reason just wastes too much of my time and it even wastes your time but much less, mine is wasted lot more and it discourages cooperative edits. I understand overtime some editors become obsessed with certain articles as if only they own it, to the extent that they become opposite of cooperative evolution of the articles, please cooperate with me in a way that is least disruptive, least time wasting for both, specify all objections in one go, and OFFER ALTERNATIVE to include what I wish to include. Secondly, when you reverted second time your objection was that why should my changes be in the external links, well they are NOT IN THE EXTERNAL LINKS. you are WRONG, check again, my edits are in the SEE ALSO section where important thing nearby can be inserted. For that reason you made an incorrect observation (the my edits in SEE ALSO are in EXTERNAL LINKS section), please restore my edits. Lastly, if for reason you do not want to see my edits in the SEE ALSO section (please explain why not? and explain alternative place they can be inserted into Auroville article) then how about inserting those in a new section "NEARBY ATTRACTIONS" etc? With so much time wasted could have been utilized to edit 3 or 4 articles elsewhere. All these disruptive revert of "same edits" with "repeated" "yet new excuses" no is very disruptive and avoidable, and discourages others editors from being at wiki. Thanks Being.human (talk)

BTW, you have nice summary of useful things related to wiki edits on your own page, I have copied it to my page as a handy reference guide. Many thanks. :) Being.human (talk) 12:44, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Washington Monument

Please provide the specific reference on the NPS website that indicates the Washington Monument is of morter construction. https://www.nps.gov/wamo/learn/historyculture/index.htm Knowmoore (talk) 05:58, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Please see the Washington Monument page on the National Park Service website :

"Using a steam-powered elevator that could lift six tons of stone up to a movable 20-foot-tall iron frame replete with a boom and block and tackle systems for setting the stones, the masons inched their way up the monument, building twenty feet of stone and mortar, then moving the iron framework up twenty feet, repeating as they went upward".

"At 1:51 p.m. on August 23, 2011, a magnitude 5.8 earthquake struck 90 miles southwest of Washington, D.C. Visitors inside the Washington Monument's observation deck were thrown about by the force of the shaking; falling mortar and pieces of stone caused minor injuries, though all the people inside exited safely".

Need I go any further? --Elnon (talk) 12:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Boris Taslitzky

Hello, Elnon, any time for a review/check of (short) article Boris Taslitzky? Thanks--DDupard (talk) 15:38, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for taking so long in answering but I have been very busy in real life. (I have also grown rather tired of dealing with vandals, activists and ignoramuses in the project.)

I have had a look at the French page first. It looks like it has been copied straight from the author's biography in the IMEC website. It certainly could do with some expanding. In this age of non-figurative "tarte à la crème", Taslitzy with his socialist realism seems to have been almost completely forgotten. I will go over your translation in the coming days. --Elnon (talk) 18:33, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

OK Elnon, Thanks , no hurry.--DDupard (talk) 08:34, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Elnon. In intro, terminology in English (and on WP) is somewhat confusing Socialist realism (soviet) and Social realism (social concerns) .....Also, my understanding is that during WWII, he was caught by the French Special Brigades --DDupard (talk) 07:41, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Merci-Donnant

A thouhght your way on this day--DDupard (talk) 15:01, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

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Objet trouvé

Hi Elnon,

About the contribution you undid by saying:

"Objet trouvé" seems to have evolved and taken a different meaning in English. Is that a valid reason to remove it?

I didn’t remove it, I moved it — with additional comments — to the section “Not used as such in French”, whose head paragraph states:

Through the evolution of the language, many words and phrases are no longer used in modern French. Also there are expressions that, even though grammatically correct, do not have the same meaning in French as the English words derived from them.

As I understood it, it is precisely the situation here. Did I misunderstood something?

Thanks,

Maëlan 15:21, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Well, it seems I failed to see you had moved - not removed - the paragraph. Sorry for the oversight.

By the way, "Objet trouvé" is sometimes encountered with its past participle in the feminine form : "objet trouvée". --Elnon (talk) 17:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Indeed. For the results in French at least, they are all due to poor spelling (or to coincidental juxtaposition). I can’t say this with as much certainty for English, but I would bet that the occurences in English are either typos or mistakes.

Thanks for your clarification and happy Christmas! Maëlan 17:31, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

I noticed that your edits may be often related to the sock puppet of User-4488. I hope my suspicion is not true.--O1lI0 (talk) 02:59, 13 May 2018 (UTC)