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Adding a Sortable Table to a Page

I would like to add a bibliography or book list to the Shooting of Michael Brown page. I've set up the list with a sortable template, which I've added about thirty titles to, along with the authors, publication dates, topic, and descriptions. All the books are relevant to the Ferguson, MO incident. When I attempted to insert it into the category, the table I created didn't appear under the heading. It's appearing after the reference section. How can I fix that? B'H. 69.113.156.172 (talk) 01:28, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I can't see your edit in the history of that page, but when a table is displayed at the bottom of an article, it usually means the end-of-table marker |} is missing or damaged. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:53, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I edited the file (which I've saved to my computer in text format). I experimentally tried to re-insert it. Unfortunately with the same result. The heading appears. Everything under the heading is blank. The table appears after the 'references' section. Here is a truncated version (with only several books added) ... .

Go into the "edit" view of this page to see my text file. It is hidden, for I have avoided the addition of clutter to this page with this experimental table containing my bibliography. B'H 69.113.156.172 (talk) 22:44, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The end-of-table marker |} must be on a separate line. But tables are not used for this purpose. Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Layout#Further reading says "An optional bulleted list". See Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Lists#Bulleted lists. Thirty titles sounds like too much. Other editors are likely to remove many of them. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:17, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I agree with you. Is there any way to make this into a hidden, drop down, format, in order to avoid cluttering the body of the article? B'H. 69.113.156.172 (talk) 01:00, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

May 26

Meghan, Duchess of Sussex

SO SORRY - I accidentally removed a section. Please replace. My fault entirely. Srbernadette (talk) 01:11, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

 Fixed. If you look in the pages edit history you will see a little "undo" button next to the date stamp. Clicking that will revert the most recent edit. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 01:13, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

"Pass thru" citation

I have a citation in one WP article and I can to use it in another article. Unfortunately, the citation is a book which I don't have access to. I have no reason to believe that the specific information I want (or any of the book cited) is false. Can I just copy the citation from the first article to the other one and use it as a footnote? The reason I'm concerned about this is that I'll be using a piece of information in the second article for which I have not seen the specific reference; for example, the page number.

To be more specific, the article that I want to add the citation to is Resettlement policy of the Neo-Assyrian Empire, in particular, the CN in first sentence: "In the three centuries starting with the reign of Ashur-dan II (934-912 BCE), the Neo-Assyrian Empire...". My source is the article on Ashur-dan II which says "Ashur-Dan II (Aššur-dān) (934–912 BC), son of...". This is referenced by "Cambridge Ancient History. Cambridge University Press. 1924-01-01. ISBN 9780521224963."

I want to copy the entire reference into Resettlement policy of the Neo-Assyrian Empire and use it as an inline citation, replacing the citation needed: "In the three centuries starting with the reign of Ashur-dan II (934-912 BCE), the Neo-Assyrian Empire...". Can I do that in spite of the fact that I have never seen the exact passage in Cambridge Ancient History where the years of Ashur-dan's reign is mentioned? --RoyGoldsmith (talk) 03:28, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

• The proper answer is "no, you cannot do that". I fear that editors do it all the time, but your citation is an assertion that you have actually checked the reference. Your best approach is (probably) to see which editor inserted the citation in the first article, and ask them to add the citation to your article. You can put your information in your article but leave it unreferenced or add the reference and tag it somehow with the appropriate tag. You can also ask if someone at WP:REX can find the book and check it. -Arch dude (talk) 03:46, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Maybe append the {{Verify source}} template. -Arch dude (talk) 03:51, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

In practice, a plausible reference is unlikely to be challenged unless you are aiming for FA or GA status, where the absence of a page number might be an issue Jimfbleak - talk to me? 04:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

True, sadly. This means that "anyone can edit" a plausible-sounding article into existence if none of the references are online. For references published before 1923, we are OK because we can usually find a free online copy, and for recent stuff we can usually find news articles, but stuff that happened in the interim (1923-1990 or so) we are forced to go to a physical source or behind a paywall to verify. -Arch dude (talk) 07:05, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

• That particular book (actually a massive multi-volume work) is available online behind a paywall. However, it's apparently part of the "Cambridge core" and you can request access via the Misplaced Pages library card platform. see this page for specifics. I've never done this personally because I'm a dilettante, not a scholar. -Arch dude (talk) 07:23, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

The key to good referencing is to provide users with sufficient information that they can locate the original source with a minimum of fuss. In the absence of page numbers, readers might have to read an entire book before locating the relevant passage - and this is too much to expect of any casual user - and obviously should be avoided. However, I have noticed that e-book editions often don't provide pages numbers - which may not be a big headache because the text is usually searchable. However, if I cite an e-book, I always try to give other information that might assist users to validate the content e.g., Chapter 2 or Section x.x. or if an Encyclopedia then at least give the title of the article within the work and/or the name of the article author. Maybe this helps. BronHiggs (talk) 07:30, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion, it is completely wrong for any editor to add a reference to an article if that editor has not read and verified the relevant content. You do not need to read an entire book but you need to read the applicable pages. Cullen Let's discuss it 08:17, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Of course, you are right, it is a fundamental mistake to list a reference if you have not consulted it directly. But perhaps I did not make myself clear- my main point is that the key to referencing is to provide useful information (eg. page numbers) to those who might be reading your article or your writing, and want to investigate the subject further. And, very occasionally there are documents that for a variety of reasons, lack page numbers - in which case as a courtesy to readers, authors should provide whatever information might might be useful to assist readers in locating the relevant passage without going to a lot of trouble. BronHiggs (talk) 09:12, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

In this particular case, the article Ashur-dan II uses the ref five times and has no page numbers, but it's a 19-volume work. I added a link to our article on the work and a {{pages needed}} template to the ref. Using a ref to a massive work with no page number is like telling someone that your address is "Earth". -Arch dude (talk) 16:21, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

That is a bit hyperbolic. Such multi-volume works usually have indexes, and digital versions are often searchable. That being said, we should always encourage including detailed bibliographic information in references, including page numbers when applicable. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:30, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

OK. I have two other sources that I found using Google. One is a Wikia client here and the other is a history website here. Now they probably got their reign dates from Misplaced Pages's Ashur-dan II article, which leads to Cambridge Ancient History. But probably every online reference to Ashur-dan II's reign eventually leads back to the article in Misplaced Pages. WP is a tertiary source and we only require citations to go back to secondary sources like the two above, not primary sources as would be true in the volumes of Cambridge Ancient History. I think.

Unless someone has further objections, I will add the two sources as inline citations for Resettlement policy of the Neo-Assyrian Empire. --RoyGoldsmith (talk) 13:37, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

duplicate name?

I am a published playwright but there is already a Misplaced Pages page with the same name for a 17th century American. How do start a new page with same name for my own work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:2C1D:1800:20FF:CFFF:62D7:5F6D (talk) 11:47, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I would very strongly recommend against creating an autobiography, or an article on something you have a personal connection to (see WP:COI). ƒirefly ( t · c · who? ) 12:34, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

• When you become NOTABLE (by our specific definition) then someone else will write the article. This ordinarily happens without you needing to do anything, but if you are notable and no article has spontaneously appeared, then you can request one (Misplaced Pages:Requested articles). Whoever writes it will use our "disambiguation" scheme (Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation) to distinguish you from the other guy. -Arch dude (talk) 15:02, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Macro to automatically add ]

Hey there,

I can't help but think that there might be a macro or browser addon out there to help with editing/authoring. Is there a way to let a macro parse to a whole lot of article-to-be-text and add ] automatically (and only for the first occurrence) where a wikilink actually lands somewhere? Especially for a longer technical article this could be helpful. --AufdieSocks (talk) 12:42, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

@AufdieSocks: Unfortunately, this might add many links leading to articles that were not relevant to the text's topic! -- John of Reading (talk) 12:51, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I see! But if it were to choose from a limited catalogue of 2-300 terms? Writing within the same themes, I often find myself linking to articles I frequently use, so a bit of time is lost while checking whether I did or didn't link to it previously already etc. This seems such an elementary time-saver that I'm not easy to convince that someone on the www didn't program it yet!--AufdieSocks (talk) 13:17, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

User:Nickj/Can We Link It did it but was shut down. I don't know a current tool. User:Edward/Find link does the opposite: Look for other articles which could add a link to a given article. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:37, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

At least you can use User:Ucucha/duplinks to highlight duplicate links that are already present in a page: Noyster (talk), 14:40, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you good sirs and madams!--AufdieSocks (talk) 15:23, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

How does one appeal an administrator's decision?

Is there a hierarchy of admins such that one can appeal to an admin's "manager?" soibangla (talk) 17:23, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

• The answer depends on the type of the decision. There is not a hierarchy of admins, so the general process does not depend on finding somebody's boss. Please point us to the decision, and we can find the proper process for you. -Arch dude (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Rollback/lockdown on Second Amendment article soibangla (talk) 17:56, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

• OK, that's the result of a content dispute and should go through the steps of Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution. I'm not competent to help much as I simply walk away from those. -Arch dude (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

The handling by an admin of the content dispute is what I want to appeal, not the content dispute itself. The content dispute could/should have been resolved on Talk, but the admin chose to "go nuclear" and obliterate my very presence in the article by rolling back edits that were never in dispute. soibangla (talk) 21:53, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

You have already taken the first step in the process, which is discussing the reversion with the editor (who happens in this case to be an admin) who performed it. Since you have not yet received a reply and it has not even been 24 hours since you posted on that editor's Talk page, no request for dispute resolution will be entertained at this time. General Ization 21:59, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

This was handled in a wholly inappropriate and unacceptable manner. If this was anywhere but WP, I would express my disappointment using considerably less polite terms. soibangla (talk) 22:11, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Also it is clear from the editor's edit summary that what they were doing was reverting to the most recent version supported by consensus prior to what they determined was an edit war between you and another editor. This is standard procedure; an intervening editor or admin cannot always evaluate each and every edit made during an edit war to determine which should stay or which should go. General Ization 22:05, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

In fact, the rollback removed edits of mine from prior days that had never been challenged and had nothing to do with the current dispute, thus obliterating my entire history in the article. A reasonable person might wonder if a message was being sent: "get off our page." soibangla (talk) 22:13, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

You also have the option of bringing up the issue at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. However, beware the boomerang. Your posting there will by necessity trigger a thorough review of your editing behavior, and unless you are absolutely certain it is sterling (I make no judgment here), you may want to wait until you have thoroughly discussed the matter with the other editor on their Talk page. General Ization 22:17, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Ah yes, yet another "gotcha." It's fascinating how one editor can effectively throw another editor into a iron cage on a whim, then demand that editor leap backwards through rings of fire to prove his innocence, only to discover that their appeal can also be denied on a whim and/or bring retribution. I've been online for 35 years and I've encountered every known trolling technique, but this one is particularly amusing given the venue. soibangla (talk) 22:36, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

If you have been online for 35 years, you have no doubt during that time observed others shoot themselves in the foot. This has nothing to do with iron cages, whims, and trolling. Take the advice or don't. General Ization 22:44, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Sadly, there are trolls on WP. Cheers. soibangla (talk) 22:49, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Also note that you must notify the other editor(s) involved if you take an issue to WP:ANI. General Ization 22:20, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Soibangla, your edits are still present in the edit history of the article. I suggest that you present your edits and your references on the article talk, page, with a request that they be added back to the article. In my opinion, your indignation is misplaced, and your characterization of the actions of an administrator is unfair. A calmer, more collaboratiive attitude is likely to lead to success. Cullen Let's discuss it 22:34, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

My response to this event is entirely proportionate: My entire edit history in the article was obliterated, including edits that were never challenged and were not part of the dispute in question, and it was an absurdly disproportionate reaction to a routine dispute that could've been settled on Talk. soibangla (talk) 22:42, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Where to go to ask for someone to take a 2nd look

Hi.

I mainly do RC patrol, and occasionally I find something that looks suspicious or maybe problematic (I know where to ask for help if something looks serious0 and want a more experienced set of eyes to look at, is there a place to post a quick "hey can someone take a peak at this?" request

I have wondered this for awhile, and some recent edits on McMartin preschool trial are what is prompting this. please ping in replyTantraYum (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

TantraYum Right where we are isn't a bad place for gaining attention, for matters where none of the editorial noticeboards seem to cover it. In this particular case I can see little of value in the activities of the other editor, who has been removing sourced content, adding unsourced content and editorial comment, and frequently using misleading edit summaries. If this pattern continues standard practice would be a post on the editor's talk page expressing your concerns. If this doesn't resolve it you may need to take the matter to ANI: Noyster (talk), 08:45, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Noyster thanks! TantraYum (talk) 14:11, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Bad-faith editor

What should I do regarding an editor with whom I am in a content dispute, but who refuses to engage meaningful discussion on the matter? At Talk:Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, I am engaged in two discussions regarding some of the changes another editor wants to make to the article. I want to resolve the disputes, but the other editor now only makes mocking comments to whatever I say. Any suggestions are welcome. SMP0328. (talk) 22:56, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I am the editor to whom you refer. I have previously extensively engaged you in a sincere effort to resolve our dispute. I concluded that you were not acting in good faith, and I have good reason to wonder if your bringing this topic up here, only minutes after I had an extensive discussion about appealing the decision of a certain admin whom you had asked to lock the article, is a continued demonstration that you are not acting in good faith. It smacks of trolling. You and I have obviously reached an impasse in our negotiations, and I suggest that we both stand down until the article lock clears on June 1st. soibangla (talk) 23:05, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Actually, the fact that the article is protected for the next several days presents you and the other editor the perfect opportunity to discuss your differences of opinion about it on the article's Talk page without edit warring. Waiting until the protection expires and then resuming right where you both left off is not going to improve the situation in the least. General Ization 23:14, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

The immediate solution for "normalized relations" and continued negotiations is to restore my edits that were nuked for no reason, and to restore the edit that SMP0328 and I already reached agreement on. Do you actually think it's a coincidence he brought this topic up on this page just minutes after the previous thread? Do you think that's a "good faith" action? It reeks of trolling, just like I told you. He just proved it. That does not give me confidence that he is acting in good faith in this dispute, in addition to a number of other things he's said on Talk, and now he's actually here whining (trolling!) that I'm being a meanie. This is all just too funny. soibangla (talk) 23:25, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I did not know you were talking to that admin. BTW, I didn't ask that specific admin. I asked for full protection and that admin is who responded. I'm not trolling you. I don't even disagree with all of your edit to the 2A article. I want to reach a compromise, but you have stopped giving me constructive feedback (e.g., "HA HA HA"). My worry is that once the full protection expires, you will restore the disputed edits and we will be back at square one. SMP0328. (talk) 23:23, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't know what else to do but HAHAHA! to someone who asserts s/he's only being reasonable after I provided 12 reliable sources that overwhelmingly establish that Warren Burger was a conservative, yet you blithely shrug it off and say it still seems subjective to you. And that was after you asserted that I was injecting bias into the article when in reality I was removing pre-existing bias that perhaps you preferred. And now you're here pulling this stunt. I mean, come on, do you actually expect me to take you seriously at this point? soibangla (talk) 23:31, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Your question here, and it's timing, gives me very good reason to suspect you are attempting to bait me into a violation to get me blocked. soibangla (talk) 23:34, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Please note my comment above: on the article's Talk page . This discussion belongs there or on one or the other of your Talk pages, or you (either of you) can take other actions that have been suggested above. But this Help Desk is definitely not the the place for mutual airing of grievances. Please move it to one place or the other. General Ization 23:36, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I absolutely agree, this thread was a trolling stunt. soibangla (talk) 23:39, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

May 27

Thomas Markle

Can the photo please be made smaller - thanks175.33.22.145 (talk) 00:47, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it can be. The question is, how much smaller do you wish it to be (a ballpark percentage figure would help; or a similar image in another article could be given as example). My view is that the photo looks pretty decently sized. But no harm in trying to service your query here. Warmly, 04:39, 27 May 2018 (UTC) Lourdes

A Query regarding thumbnail of a page

Whenever I type for a page in the search box, an image appears on the left side. The page has got many pictures but only a particular image is displayed while searching for the page. How is that determined? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Strumoccur (talk • contribs) 03:19, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

When I type for a page in the search box, I don't get any image, so I am a bit in the dark about what you're referring to. I do get an image pop-up when I hover over an article name; I expect that that image would probably be the first image the software sees linked in the article (for example, in Meghan, Duchess of Sussex). But don't take my word for it; other editors might be able to fill you in on this query much better I suspect. 04:43, 27 May 2018 (UTC) Lourdes

Does image attribution have to be shown on Misplaced Pages as well as source image in Wikimedia?

I have just uploaded an image for my article on Captain Sir William Bolton. I obtained permission first, and uploaded it to Wikimedia under CC licence 4 with attribution, but I'm not sure how to indicate attribution on the actual article, or indeed whether it needs to be there. I've tried adding attribution as a parameter to the image when posting, but it doesn't show there. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:59, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

• We consider the attribution associated with the image file itself to be sufficient. If a reader is interested in the attribution, we assume that the reader will click on the image and look at the details. -Arch dude (talk) 04:04, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

• I just looked at the attribution for this image. It consists mostly of a reference to an OTRS e-mail, which is about the legality of your copyright assertion. I think an interested reader will prefer a brief description of the provenance of the image: who took it, when it was taken, and the circumstances. I cannot tell you that this is policy because I don't know that, but it is in keeping with the general policy of verifiability. This is a separate issue from the copyright issue. Please consider editing the description. -Arch dude (talk) 04:16, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks, Arch dude. Okay, I've just found my way to editing that info, and did as you suggested. (Originally, I actually started filling in fields provided for uploading onto Misplaced Pages, then when it asked if I wanted it added to Wikimedia, it just took everything onto the Wikimedia page, and the comment displays in a "raw" format (not sure if that is usual?). It was all intended to provide an explanation to the admins about how I obtained permission.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:30, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

The object shown in that image looks like a medal, not a coin; it has no indication of a currency value. Why do you describe it as a coin? Maproom (talk) 07:16, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Good point, Maproom! Mainly because the auction catalogue described it as an "engraved coin". But you're right. I have now changed the description - but not sure if the name of the image is able to be changed now? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:18, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

See Commons:commons:File renaming, Laterthanyouthink. --ColinFine (talk) 08:47, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Great, thanks ColinFine. I have just requested the change. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:02, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Christine Sally Wilson/formally Grant/formally Kemp

My mother is the Sally Kemp who was in Carry on Camping. I am the daughter of Bob Grant, British actor, who my mum was married to. My mother is British, was a LAMDA trained actress, who re-trained as a teacher, and is very much alive and lives in Plymouth,Devon, UK. She is fed up of being told she is dead on Misplaced Pages. She is currently a local writer/poet, with some published material. She has her birth certificate, marriage license to my father Bob Grant, as well as photos of herself in Carry on Camping leading the cow and in conversation with a famous British actor. She was born in 1939 and is 78 years old. Her DOB is 12/04/39. The actress who is stated in Misplaced Pages is not my mother, was not in Carry on Camping, and was not the second wife of Bob Grant as my mother was. My brother Rupert was his only son. I am his daughter from his second marriage. He also had a daughter from his first marriage. We were all estranged from our father when he died which was his choice. Please update your records accordingly. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlotte Grant (talk • contribs) 10:59, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

The Misplaced Pages article states only the name of Bob's second wife. Is there another article that makes an inaccurate claim, or are you looking at a Google result that has made a false connection? Is it the Internet Movie database where the error occurs? They've even got her punchline wrong! Dbfirs 11:20, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Note for other Editors: in our article on Carry on Camping, the only matter relevant to the OP's is the Cast list entry "Sally Kemp as Girl with cow". There is no other information given there, or any link to an article on the OP's mother or another actress of that name. We have no article on anyone called Sally Kemp (which is why that attempted link shows in red).

However, the Infobox of the article on Bob Grant (actor) refers to his second spouse being "Christine Sally Kemp (1962-????, divorced)" and its main text includes "In 1962 he married for the second time, to Christine Sally Kemp; they later divorced." This is apparently unreferenced (none of the article's references mention Kemp), but the article's one External link is to Bob Grant's IMDb entry: this lists "Sally Kemp" (no "Christine") as his second spouse (with his third not mentioned) and links to IMDb's entry for "Sally Kemp", who is credited with Carry on Camping and shown as deceased (also with a different birth year).

Per the OP's information above, it appears that IMDb is in error (and as we all know, IMDb can be reader-edited and is not accepted as a Reliable Source).

While it is extremely likely that the OP is who she says she is and is entirely correct as to all facts, we cannot assume that, and need to find alternative published RSs for the information in question. This is not my area of expertise, and I shortly have to leave to travel to a family event – hopefully others can pick up this ball and run with it :-). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.221.82.140 (talk) 11:43, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes it would be good to find a WP:Reliable source, but I didn't find any information in Misplaced Pages that needs changing. How does one edit IMDb? I suppose we could have an article on Sally Kemp if she has been written about in detail in independent sources, but I think this is unlikely. Dbfirs 15:59, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Wrong age

I am born December 15, 2949 That means I am 68 not 69 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:B12E:D284:E537:47DF:D9CC:77AD (talk) 11:50, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, assuming you mean 1949, that would be correct ;). However, if you are seeing an error on a Misplaced Pages page, please provide a link so volunteers here can address the issue. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 11:53, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Help with unsourced defamatory edits

I found some unsourced defamatory edits on Bishop Moore Vidyapith, Kayamkulam by 117.246.211.219 (talk · contribs) (). They have only made those two edits. I have reverted them, but does anything more need to be done? I understand there is a warning system, but I am relatively new here myself so I didn't want to mess anything up. Thanks TeraTIX 12:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Teratix A warning message to the IP editor will do no harm and may put them on the right path, although some editors don't bother for one-off IPs. {{uw-unsourced1}} or {{uw-npov1}} may be appropriate – don't forget to SUBST them. All the templated warnings are in sections 1 & 2 of Misplaced Pages:Template messages/User talk namespace, and a good selection can be sent through Twinkle if you have that installed. Or you may prefer to type out your own message to the IP, explaining specifically why that edit was not acceptable: Noyster (talk), 15:49, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Claws TV show page

I just watched the first three episodes of the show and figured I’d look up the cast members to see what else they have been in, only to find several spoilers for season 1 in the descriptions of the characters (Roller being alive, quiet Anne beginning a relationship with a cop, etc). Character descriptions don’t need to be long paragraphs and they certainly shouldn’t ruin the first season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.203.10.233 (talk) 21:26, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

You just left this message without naming the series; correct it yourself is my answer! WhatsUpWorld (talk) 22:54, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

We have a content guideline Misplaced Pages:Spoiler that makes it clear that what some people call "spoilers" are actually appropriate encyclopedic content. If you do not want to read so-called "spoilers", then do not read Misplaced Pages articles about movies, TV shows and the like. We accurately summarize plots here. Cullen Let's discuss it 23:49, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

French presidential election, 2017

Hi,

On French presidential election, 2017, there are links directing to En Marche! although the article (and political party) is named La République En Marche! When I tried to correct this I was revoked because another user claims that the redirect is correct; why does he not let me fix this. I don't see how his opinion works. An idea? Is he right or wrong?

Thanks WhatsUpWorld (talk) 22:53, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

• This a what we call a "content dispute" we try not to intervene in those here at the help desk. Instead, please discuss the dispute on the talk page of the article. Note that the displayed link does not need to be the name of the article, so if you do not disagree with the displayed test, but do wish to skip the redirect, then edit the link to add a "pipe", like this ], which yields En Marche!. In any event the other user's conduct is in keeping with the way we are supposed to work around here. We call it "Bold, Revert, Discuss". see WP:BRD. Please start by assuming the the other editor wants to improve the article just as much as you do and discuss it in that light. See WP:AGF. And thanks for your efforts. -Arch dude (talk) 23:48, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
• @WhatsUpWorld: En Marche! is currently a redirect to La République En Marche!. I believe Arch dude's advice above is incorrect; per WP:NOTBROKEN, one should not "fix" links to redirecting pages. So, you would have to argue that LREM rather than EM is the correct target for those links. However, if I believe the fr-wp page, the party changed its name on May 8th, 2017, immediately after the presidential election; hence, during the election period the topical name was EM. (To take an over-the-top comparison, Lutetia should be mentioned as part of Gaul, not France.) Tigraan 08:38, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Tigraan is of course correct: The guideline is to leave redirects alone in most cases. Not everyone follows this guideline, and not everyone agrees with this guideline. but it is nevertheless the consensus guideline. So: if you are arguing against the guideline, go to the talk page of the guideline. If you are discussing the merits of one displayed text or the other, then use the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 17:44, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

May 28

Help with categories and assessment

Can anyone suggest other categories for my article? William Bolton (post-captain) I have added a few since it first went up, and skim-read many pages on categories, but not sure what else to add to this one. And at what point does that template at the top of the article get removed?

• When some random editor decides the categories look good. I just removed it. -Arch dude (talk) 02:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Also, according to the criteria listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_assessment, I think that this article must be at least C-Class by now? It might not be perfect, but I've assembled and summarised pretty much all info about this man that's available online. I could go into yet more detail about his earlier career, what was written about him in the long obit., etc. but then surely that would be heading towards "too much information for a minor historical figure"? At what point do articles get reassessed? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:24, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

• I'm not sure, but I think you can ask for an assessment at the project pages of each of the projects listed at the top of the Bolton article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 02:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks again, Arch dude. I was also wondering whether I should create a small article about the other Captain William Bolton, active around the same time and often confused (see disambiguation page William Bolton) - or do you think the disambiguation page is enough? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:29, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

That's a tough call. If you can find enough sources, I think you should, even if he would not otherwise deserve an article. This applies the rule of reason (WP:IAR) instead of rigid adherence to policy. You might wish to justify this on the article's talk page, and if other editors disagree, ask them for a better way to handle the disambiguation. -Arch dude (talk) 06:42, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Okay - thanks once again, Arch dude. I'll have a go at it when I have time. (I don't know how you ever get on top of all of these rules and the various templates that lead to them!) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:21, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Undid an edit

Someone named Melcous undid an edit in error: My edits updated entries to Albert Podell's bio info on https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_people_by_number_of_countries_visited

Podell just wrote to me: "albert podell <alpodell@email address To: David Smith May 27 at 9:01 PM (EDT) D I have no idea how Misplaced Pages works, although I do know they like sources so they can verify claims.

If you can reply to him or her, the reply should be that my book cites 196 because those are all the recognized countries in the world.and that is what the book was about.  I have also visited eleven de facto (but unrecognized) countries, same as the other people near the top of the  list, and can document this with photos, passport entries, and/or affidavits from people who accompanied me to  those entities."

I wish to cancel the undo and to revert to what I entered originally, all, of course, according to your rules and protocol. Please advise.

I am a first time editor.

Thank you, David Smith U/N Sippewissett 01:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sippewissett (talk • contribs)

Sorry Sippewissett, we are not a court of law and we don't accept personal statements or private documents in support of article content. The only "evidence" we recognize is what's been published in "reliable sources". Debates about what counts as a "country" for the purpose of that article should take place on the article's talk page: Noyster (talk), 10:56, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Jack Mundey

Jack Mundey is currently the Patron of The Historic Houses Association of Australia. www.hha.net.au — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.18.95.103 (talk) 03:28, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Information added to our article on Jack Mundey, thank you: Noyster (talk), 11:06, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Request for help with article

ZYN! (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Could someone please help in moving an article to the section 'Article for Deletion'? It is way too long ago since I wrote on Wiki (and have probs with all these lots of changes and no time for looking up each single editing-command). Request for deletion concerns the article /ZYN! that was an translated text from the German Wiki. The page is irrelevant, not well written and should be deleted. Thanks for help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whoever99 (talk • contribs) 11:39, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Whoever99:, I should first link yo to the Deletion policy. Within the deletion policy there is a provision for removing pages only edited by one editor after they make a request (called a Speedy Deletion), but 21 editors have contributed to that article, so your request would not be accepted. You can still nominate the page for a deletion discussion. If you want to proceed with that, consider these points and then follow the instructions given here. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Eggishorn:,Thank you for the instructions and effort. I will try out the steps you have described the next days.

AT command ............

iam working on a project.. that related to AT command .

Iam stuck in recording, i have used many of the At command for recording

Example : AT+QAUDRD and many of them i am getting an error — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.118.248.89 (talk) 12:20, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

If this is about the modem AT command, you might find something useful at Hayes command set, or failing that you could ask at the Computing section of the Reference Desk. If it is not, I have no idea what you are talking about. Either way, this question does not belong on this page, which is about editing Misplaced Pages. --ColinFine (talk) 17:21, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

How to have an existing page properly edited - https://en.wikipedia.org/Ian_Holding

Hello Misplaced Pages

I am a Zimbabwean novelist who writes under the name Ian Holding. A Misplaced Pages page on me exists (https://en.wikipedia.org/Ian_Holding) but there is a message on it which says "This biographical article is written like a résumé. Please help improve it by revising it to be neutral and encyclopedic. (January 2012)"

Is there any way someone could correct this page so that it is more in keeping with the standards and expectations of other official Misplaced Pages pages? I would obviously like the page to be as correct and as objective as possible.

With thanks, Ian Holding — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2C0F:F8F0:F252:0:9C86:2A41:8428:2807 (talk) 14:38, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for asking your question. I should first point you to the Conflict of Interest Policy, which applies here. While I have no reason to doubt you are who you say you are, anyone on the Internet can claim to be one of the subjects of a Misplaced Pages article and we would have few ways of knowing if that's correct. My best advice is to create an account to facilitate communication and then use the Talk:Ian Holding talk page to propose any changes you feel are necessary. This prevents many issues that can cause difficulty for real-life subjects of one of our articles. Good luck. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:07, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

How do I add a photo?

I created the page "fractional currency shield" and would like to add a photo of a shield to the page. I would take the photo myself, and so there will be no copyright (and I waive such restrictions). How do I proceed? Lee Davis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lelandbclimber (talk • contribs) 14:40, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Lelandbclimber: You can upload your own work image from Common Upload Wizard. But make sure that your image must not be copyrighted. Thank you, Siddiqsazzad001 <Talk/> 15:33, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

There are already three pictures of fractional currency shields at Wikimedia Commons, see https://commons.wikimedia.org/search/?search=fractional+currency+shield . You could use any of those. Maproom (talk) 15:38, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

list of countries visited

claimants to most countries visited begin with the 193 UN member states and then are permitted to add dubious entities such as Antarctica, Wales, Palestine, Western Sahara, etc. What are the criteria, where is the cutoff? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sippewissett (talk • contribs) 15:43, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Assuming we’re talking about the article List of people by number of countries visited, it speaks at some length about the difficulties in determining such statistics. I would suggest that the talk page would be a good place to further discuss this with those who have an interest in this topic. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:54, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

A "bot" that is not working correctly.

This question refers to the following Misplaced Pages article: Murder of Pam Basu. You can see the "View History of Edits" page (which I do not know how to link to). I have listed that article with the Category "murdered doctors". There is a "bot" that keeps changing it to "murdered physicians". I keep reverting the change. But, it keeps getting changed back. I assume that this is a "bot" and that these actions are being done automatically by the computer, without a real person doing them. (But I am not sure, since I don't really know how "bots" work.) In any event, the person in the article (Pam Basu) was a doctor, but not a physician. She was the "PhD" type of doctor, not the "medical/MD" type of doctor. So, the category "murdered doctors" is appropriate for that article, but the category "murdered physicians" is not. How does this problem get fixed? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:47, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Category:Murdered doctors is a redirect to Category:Murdered physicians, so the bot is correct and the article does not belong in either category. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 15:53, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Pppery: Thanks. But, I have two questions. First: why does this article belong in neither category? I don't follow. Second: For the reasons I stated above, the word "doctor" and the word "physician" are not interchangeable. As I explained in my above example, a person can be a "doctor", yet not a "physician". So, the redirect is inappropriate and inaccurate, Thus, the "bot" is not working correctly. It may be working correctly from a computer/technical stand point. But, what I am saying is that the category "murdered doctors" should not be redirected to the category "murdered physicians" (for the reasons stated above). They are not one and the same. So, how does this problem get fixed? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:09, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

If you disagree on a category-level, WP:CFD is the place to discuss this. The bot is correct to change a category as long as the category is only a redirect and you should never manually undo such edits because it bloats the edit history without adding anything useful. Iff the category redirect is found to be faulty, the redirect can be removed and the category populated. Not before. Regards SoWhy 16:15, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Correction: Don't category redirects go to RFD not CFD? {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 16:18, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Depends. RFD makes sense if retargeting or deleting is the point. If one wants to turn a redirect into a category, imho it falls into the scope of WP:CFD. Either is fine probably. Regards SoWhy 16:23, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It belongs in neither category because (a) Articles shouldn't be categorized in redirects and (b) The subject is not a murdered physician. Consider RFDing Category:Murdered doctors if you think that redirect shouldn't exist. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 16:17, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Addendum: In this case, though, Pppery is correct. We usually do not sort people by degree but by occupation (hence PhD = doctor is not the right characteristic to sort by). Since she was a chemist, Category:Murdered scientists is the right fit. I changed the article accordingly. Regards SoWhy 16:20, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! But she indeed (and in fact) was a doctor. That's the whole point here. Not a medical doctor. But, still, she was a doctor. And the category is called "murdered doctors" ... it is not called "murdered medical doctors". In any event, this issue needs to be fixed, somehow. So, I brought it here. I have no idea how to do an "RFD" or a "CFD" or such. I have no idea what those even mean. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:43, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

CFD stands for categories for discussion, the noticeboard to discuss changes to categories. She had a doctorate (PhD), yes, but per MOS:HON we don't include those in articles. As you might have noticed, there is no Category:People with PhD degrees or similar. That's because degrees are not a useful way to categorize people. If a reader is looking for chemists, they usually don't care whether the subject had/has a PhD or not since the defining characteristic is not the degree but the profession. See Misplaced Pages:Categorization of people for more details. Regards SoWhy 16:56, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:52, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Ottoman Empire

Dear Sir ... We have noticed that the employees in your Arabic section have no neutrality at all in the articles they publish, as they move away from the scientific method and the truth by subtracting the subjects. For example, one of the articles about the Ottoman Empire, which clearly showed the writer's desire to defend one of the worst countries Throughout history, the radical Islamic ideas of the editor of the article have also emerged, in which he distanced himself from the most basic principles of Misplaced Pages, namely, the commitment to complete neutrality, not to attempt to put the writer's personal opinion or to promote any extremist political ideas. When we tried to draw their attention, They delated our comments with all bravery ... Please re-evaluate the performance of the staff in your Arab section — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.47.3.124 (talk) 17:49, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, Ip user, but I'm afraid you seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding this site. Misplaced Pages has no "employees in the Arabic section". The owner of this site, the Wikimedia Foundation, has a small staff of about 300 people but none of them are responsible for creating the content on the Ottoman Empire or any other such article. The creators of content are volunteer editors and you can be one yourself. The project on the Arab world is also run by volunteers and you can join them. I suggest reading the Getting Started page if you want to contribute further. Unfortunately, I don't see any recent edits to the main Ottoman empire article or any other edits from this IP address that can tell me what problem you are having so I can't offer specific recommendations. Good luck. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:19, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I read it that the IP user is talking about the Arabic Misplaced Pages, and specifically the article ar:الدولة العثمانية, which has indeed had recent edits. I'm afraid that different language Wikipedias are entirely separate projects, with no kind of influence or control over each other. You need to take your concerns to ar:نقاش:الدولة العثمانية, and if you can't get satisfaction there, to ar:ويكيبيديا:بوابة المشاركة. --ColinFine (talk) 19:00, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@ColinFine:, I'm impressed you were able to find that. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:46, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Eggishorn:, I just went to Ottoman Empire and picked Arabic from the sidebar. --ColinFine (talk) 16:31, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

page formatting error

I have been editing/updating the episode descriptions on the following page: https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_The_Affair_episodes#Episodes

Something has gone wrong in the formatting of this page and I cannot figure out what. The Season 1 episodes are now showing in Season 2 and episode 10 for Season 1 is not visible at all - but all information is there when you go into EDIT mode. I need help with fixing it. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kihill33 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Fixed.Naraht (talk) 18:25, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The scientist Coldplay

Yes Martinevans123 I have a question why did you delete the genre this song was Alternative rock, soft rock and country rock because in the song the guitar riff was similar by Johnny Cash and George Harrison and give me a chance for you to put it back and I won’t changing things bad again thank you for your time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ser-rod-7 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Ser-rod-7. You have edited The Scientist (song) at least six times to add a genre, and two different editors (Bowling is life and Martinevans123 have repeatedly removed it, and explained to you in edit summaries, in a comment in the source, and on your user talk page, that you need a published source for the information. All of you are edit warring, and need to stop and discuss it on the article's talk page. (I am making no statement about whether you are right or wrong, just about your behaviour).

However, as a matter of Misplaced Pages policy, Bowling and Martinevans are correct. Please understand that Misplaced Pages has no interest at all in what you, or I, or any random person on the Internet, knows or thinks or believes. Whatever it is it doesn't belong in a Misplaced Pages article unless somebody has said it in a reliable published source. Please see verifiability. Your arguments why the particular genre applies are an example of WP:original research, which is strictly forbidden in Misplaced Pages.

If you can find a published reference that classifies that song into a genre, then it can go into the article. Otherwise it should not. --ColinFine (talk) 19:19, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

No Martinevans123 I’m not wrong I’m right I’m not in the mood of being wrong I wasn’t behaving wrong or bad I was trying to fix everything back the way it was but you won’t understand and listen the way I explain it’s the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ser-rod-7 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm assuming you're talking about this? As was stated in the article source, and in the edit summaries of the reversions, you need reliable sources to back up the addition of genres. ƒirefly ( t · c · who? )

<ec>@Ser-rod-7:, first, ColinFine replied to you here, not Martinevans123. Second, do not start a new section to reply to an ongoing discussion. Third, sign your posts, which you can do just by typing a row of four tilde characters (~~~~) at the end of your posts. Fourth, you should know that no-one cares if you think you're right, read the No Original Research policy for the reasons why. Fifth, others editors will find it hard take you seriously in discussions if everything you type is a garbled mass as if you are texting or tweeting to us. I hope this helps explain some things. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:44, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

• Following merged from later thread
• Well sir with all due respect you think I was the one who violated the edit I was not violating bad I was fixing it my perfect song of Coldplay the scientist I was putting the genre Alternative rock, soft rock and country rock because it had a same guitar riff as Johnny Cash and George Harrison.

• But I’m not doing things bad or wrong I’m doing things good not violated or something else just doing things good I see everyone else just edit theirs except me.

• Give me a chance so if you have any questions about my band of Coldplay and my song the scientist just go to Misplaced Pages help desk if you had any questions

• Thank you for your time I’ll be waiting to put it back — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ser-rod-7 (talk • contribs) 22:42, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ser-rod-7: Again, do not start a new section to post a reply and please sign your posts. Due to problems with editors disagreeing over genres, all such things have to be referenced to a reliable source. What you think about a song is of no import to Misplaced Pages. Any additions without a source or which are an opinion are very likely to be removed. What do you mean by "my band" and "my song"? Eagleash (talk) 23:13, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The scientist Coldplay

You know what how about I can just answer to the ceo of Misplaced Pages to tell him that you won’t believe me about what I said it right about fixing the genre of Coldplay the scientist their song and now I’m just gonna answer it right now because this was my first day first time signing this Misplaced Pages website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ser-rod-7 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• I responded on your talk page, which is at User talk:Ser-rod-7. -Arch dude (talk) 01:34, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Prevent edit source auto launch

I posted this on Village pump's technical page, but never received any assistance. During the Twinkle rollback bug issue I reset all my settings. Now when I rollback and go to warn the User, the User TalkPage automatically launches in edit source mode and not the static (read) mode I am used to. This also happens when I click on non-existant pages/redlinks. Any way to prevent this? Thanks in advance for any help. Please ping me as I don't watch pages. Best, Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:08, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Classicwiki, I'm not sure but it sounds like a bug. Have you tried Misplaced Pages:Bug reports and feature requests? Thinker78 (talk) 19:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Thinker78, I thought about it but it doesn't seem like anyone else is having this problem so I thought it might be unique to my settings? Like I accidentally checked a preference after resetting. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 21:05, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Classicwiki It doesn't matter if no one else has the problem. In Phabricator you are even supposed to check if someone else has reported the same problem before posting it. So if you think it's a bug report it there. Thinker78 (talk) 23:20, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Classicwiki, I haven't had that exact problem, but recently I've frequently had the annoyance that when I return to a tab with Misplaced Pages open in my browser, and hit F5, it reloads the page in edit mode. It hasn't been quite annoying enough for me to investigate it or even go to VPT, but it sounds as if it might be related to your problem. --ColinFine (talk) 08:39, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

ColinFine and Thinker78, I have posted the issue to Phabricator. I couldn't find anyone reporting the same problem, although my keywords could have been off target. I'll update if I hear anything. Thanks again. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 20:14, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Helpful Changes Are Being Reverted

Hello there. So a few minutes ago I was trying to update the draft for Descendants 3. Their was an announcement made a week ago about the final additions to the cast. So I was trying to add that information to the article and even cite a reference to the announcement. But people keep telling me my additions are disruptive and vandalism. What do I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZoeeTalksALot (talk • contribs) 20:47, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

• Discuss this on the article's talk page and try to reach consensus. Please assume that the other editors are trying as hard as your are to improve the article and be civil and colaborative there (WP:AGF). If you cannot reach consensus, proceed to Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution. -Arch dude (talk) 21:11, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

May 29

Gledhow Hall

Could this page have this category added at the bottom please - "List of British artists". Thanks 110.147.205.88 (talk) 00:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Can you explain why you think this would be appropriate? Gledhow Hall is a building, not an artist, so why should it be included in a list of artists? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.26.63 (talk) 06:08, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I think that because the painting by Turner of Gledhow Hall is well- known. Therefore, the category should be at the bottom of the pages. Certainly the category Peers and/or The Peerage should be added ad a category. Thanks 175.33.22.145 (talk) 06:37, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

No, if you look at our page about Categorization you will see that articles are put in categories according to the essential—defining—characteristics of topic – not according to anything mentioned in the article that has some sort of association with the topic of the article. So Gledhow Hall belongs only in categories about buildings, not categories about people who used to own it or paintings that hang there. Readers wanting to know more about Turner may follow the wikilink to our article about Turner, and that article is categorized into Category:English landscape painters, Category:British marine artists, and others: Noyster (talk), 10:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Can't find problematic displaytitle

The bottom of our Blenden Hall article has a routine red warning:

Warning: Display title "<i>Blenden Hall</i>" overrides earlier display title "Blenden Hall".

Problem is, the article has no {{DISPLAYTITLE}} coding. I suppose an infobox provides DISPLAYTITLE, but the name appears only once in the infobox coding, and it's seemingly identical to what the page title should be. And finally, un-italicising Blenden Hall in the first infobox doesn't work; if you preview, you see that the name is wrongly romanised in the infobox, and the warning's still visible at the bottom of the page. So, how does this get fixed?

Nyttend (talk) 02:37, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I guess Trappist the monk corrected it in this diff. 04:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC) Lourdes

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

I was a close friend of Grace McNeil's Daughter all is personal observations and talking to the family. while some of the information can be found in references. The other needs to be passed on to responsible researchers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhbbooks (talk • contribs) 03:46, May 29, 2018 (UTC)

Hello. If your query is about the article Scarlett O'Hara where you may be trying to insert personal observations, please note that content in Misplaced Pages articles should be based on verifiable content than on personal observations. Please give a read to our editing policy to understand this better. Write back if you need more assistance. Thanks, 04:45, 29 May 2018 (UTC) Lourdes

• Sadly, Misplaced Pages has no way to pass your observations on to researchers. We don't have researchers of our own, and we have no mechanism for incorporation of original research into Misplaced Pages. It would be great if we could establish a research sister project, or an information exchange to which researchers can subscribe, but that is not what we are or what we do. I find this frustrating, and so do many well-meaning newcomers such as yourself. -Arch dude (talk) 05:10, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

My edit was reverted despite references provided.

Please help me with the contributions I made yesterday to the Personal life section in the profile of Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson. My edit and updating of information was allowed yesterday, whereas upon checking right now I noticed the section has gone back to being what it was before the edit. I have not received any notification of any problems. What has happened? Please let me know? UditaCh (talk) 05:13, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

UditaCh, perhaps you missed the edit summary to the reverting edit? Hrodvarsson reverted because you used primary sources, which amounts to original research and violates the biographies of living persons policy. Please read the links to avoid future errors Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:29, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

If you go to the article and click on the "View history" tab at top right, you will see at or near the top of the (long) list of all edits ever made to the page (since its creation on 12 August 2010) that, late last night, User:Hrodvarsson reverted the article to a previous version (before your numerous and sizeable additions) for the reason he gave in his edit summary – "Reverted to revision 842447064 by 150.116.121.173: A lot of this is unacceptable due to primary sourcing and violations of the biographies of living persons policy.", but goes on to say "I will restore the relevant information and sources in a short while."

Your edits were initially "allowed" because they go live as soon as you click the "Publish Change" button. Now another editor has had time to look at them and has (partially) disagreed with them because (he asserts, doubtless correctly) that they violated certain rules and policies that we follow, and need to be brought in line with them as far as possible, which he has said that he will do. (Please remember that we are all volunteers who edit Misplaced Pages as a hobby from our own individual premises, not a co-ordinated team of professionals!) If he had been strictly punctilious, he might have "pinged" you or posted on your User talk page about this, but he may have been pressed for time (or in need of sleep!) after his urgent action (violations of BLP policy require speedy rectification), and in any case you have quickly noticed the situation.

The appropriate place to continue discussion of these edits is the "Talk" tab of the article: you could also query Hrodvarsson on his own talk page, or he could post on yours, but this would tend to exclude any other editors who might wish to contribute to the discussions.

All this is the normal process of collaborative editing by which articles are modified (or not). As to Hrodvarsson's initial objections to the form of your edits, you might like to read Misplaced Pages:BLP and Misplaced Pages:Primary. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195}

Hi UditaCh I believe Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson is the targeted page you mentioned above. You have added many primary source from Instagram, Facebook, YouTube regarding an allegation of domestic violent complained by Björnsson's ex partner. Please note that content added a page regarding biography of a living person needs to support by independent, reliable source. Secondly, a living person accused of a crime is presumed not guilty unless a conviction is secure by a court, for such it would be best to leave out the content when no conviction is made by court.Thank you. CASSIOPEIA 06:58, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Firefox becomes slow and unresponsive when I edit some articles

It usually happens when I edit large articles but could happen for medium and small articles too. Any solution? --Wario-Man (talk) 07:56, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Does it happen if you log out and edit the same article? Do you have other open tabs in Firefox? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:14, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Pinging @Wario-Man: for response. JTP 14:51, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

It's random but when I have multiple tabs with opened WP pages and then I decide to edit one of them, the mentioned problem occurs more than the other times. Could be related to my FF add-ons or WP scripts? --Wario-Man (talk) 19:26, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: I don't think it is the problem of WP scripts. Maybe firefox browser. Please give me your pc information. Sometime its happen for Ram uses too many CPU resources or Unresponsive script prompt. You can see Firefox Help support. Thank you, Siddiqsazzad001 <Talk/> 20:02, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

2018 United States child abduction scandal

I'm sure if this were going on in any other country, Misplaced Pages would have an article with a title similar to that one, but I can't for the life of me find any information about this ongoing event on Misplaced Pages. I assume there is an article, given the amount of media coverage. Can someone enlighten me as to what euphemism is being used to refer to it? Thanks 185.24.236.18 (talk) 08:29, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Immigration policy of Donald Trump or List of federal political scandals in the United States? TeraTIX 08:46, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Library technician

2 Problems - Are the subheadings the correct size font and is reference number 2 done correctly? Please assist me if you can. Thankyou. 175.33.22.145 (talk) 09:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Main section headings should be shown as "Level 2" headings, like this ==Section heading== and subsections within the sections as Level 3, like this ===Subsection===. Our Cheatsheet is a handy guide to the most frequently used forms of Wiki markup. The book ref looks fine to me, though the article as a whole could do with a few more references. Oh, and we didn't need "Librarian" in the See also section, as the word is already linked in the text of the article: Noyster (talk), 10:35, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

It might also be an idea to create a lead section, providing a brief summary of the topic. If you do this and add some level 2 section headings, it will also create a table of contents which makes the page easier to read or navigate. As It stands there is quite a large amount of text before the first 'natural break'. Eagleash (talk) 10:41, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Gledhow Hall

I am embarassed. I am on a small phone and tried to edit but wiped out the top of the above page. Please fix sorry175.33.22.145 (talk) 11:28, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I have reverted the edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:33, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Changing an Image

Hello,

I'd like to change the image of "Ovum". Here is the Page - https://en.wikipedia.org/Ovum_Ltd.

The image indicated on this page is the old Ovum logo. I'd like to replace it with the actual logo but I am unable to do so.

Here is the Ovum Ltd home page - https://ovum.informa.com/

As you can see, the Logo is different.

Could the image please be changed to the actual Logo?

Kind regards, Gabriel Gabraad (talk) 14:45, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done I uploaded it to File:Ovum Logo.png. I'm not sure if it still meets to qualifications for "simple shapes" for Commons, so I uploaded it on Misplaced Pages. CTF83! 16:41, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Notability question

Hi, I was wondering if there is a place to go where I can ask if a topic is notable enough before creating the article. I don't exactly want to put effort into writing an article if it will simply be deleted. <RetroCraft314 talk/> 21:02, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• Each contributor makes a notability decision based on the guidelines at WP:NOTABLE. Basically, you need to find "multiple reliable sources" as we define them at WP:RS. If you have found sources but are unsure if they suffice, create a draft with a one-line assertion of notability and add your references, then go ask for an assessment of this "hyper-stub" article before actually filling out the article. (Now, I will wander away and figure out where you should ask, but if all else fails come back here...)-Arch dude (talk) 22:42, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Hugo Grenier

Can anyone help me I feel like im losing my mind, haha. I was editing the page of Hugo Grenier and the doubles finals he’s won appear on the preview and can be edited but then they seem to have disappeared now the page is saved. Have I done something silly? Hildreth gazzard (talk) 20:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• Note: The above copied from the talk page. Eagleash (talk) 22:35, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Wrong photo on my[REDACTED] page

How do I change the head shot on my[REDACTED] page? Here's the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/Kathleen_Gallagher

I uploaded my head shot:

But can't figure out how to get my real head shot on my pageKathleengall (talk) 23:31, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

The page is using a tformat for the infobox I’ve not seen myself before either, but I took a shot at adding an image parameter and linking to the new image and that seems to have done it. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:36, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@Kathleengall: At the time of your post the article automatically used the image in the Wikidata item Kathleen Gallagher (Q20020503). I have changed that image to the one you uploaded. But Beeblebrox had already changed the article to override Wikidata and use the new image anyway. I have also added your image to commons:Category:Kathleen Gallagher to help others find it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:50, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

RE - the info box at the top of the page - should it have the title "Capt." for Peter Middleton - we are not sure and it is hard to change from our device. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 00:08, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Company informational article

Hi, I would like to know if I can write an informational article about a startup — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cnrmadureira (talk • contribs) 00:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

• Sorry, but no, for several reasons. 1) your company is not notable yet. See WP:NOTABLE. 2) you have a conflict of interest. See WP:COI. 3) you are almost certanly a paid editor. See WP:PAID. Once you company becomes notable, someone else will write the articl.-Arch dude (talk) 01:41, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

I need assistance aligning a barnstar on my userpage

It seems I have difficulty finding the exact coding to make an award I received, horizontally to fit correctly on my user page. Any assistance in "verticalizing" it

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	In appreciation of all your high quality work on Pakistan-related articles on Misplaced Pages that I have come across since 2012. I realize you are an experienced editor and have been active for many years. I have nothing but respect for all your work. Thanks and Best Regards Ngrewal1 (talk) 22:25, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

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