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How is it possible that an article about a figure this notable does not have a more accurate birthday? -- ] (]) 23:03, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
How is it possible that an article about a figure this notable does not have a more accurate birthday? -- ] (]) 23:03, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:Because nobody has cited a ] for it. Such a source must be from a reliable outlet and cannot be a primary document, per ]. Without a good source, this information cannot be added to the article. ] (]) 23:11, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
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Claim that Sarkeesian "improves gender inclusivity"
I find myself sceptical of the line "and improving gender inclusivity in gaming culture and the media" at the end of the second paragraph. This is a claim that does not appear to have any basis or reference. How do we know she is actually improving gender inclusivity? By what metric? Certainly I am sure that she hopes and tries to improve gender inclusivity, but saying that she actually does so without any sources takes things a bit further. I realise this is hardly a major issue and is one of syntax rather than substance, but changing it may nevertheless help with WP:NPOV. I am apparently too inexperienced/untrusted to edit what is clearly a controversial page, but perhaps it could instead read "and appeared on The Colbert Report discussing her experiences of harassment whilst attempting to improve gender inclusivity in gaming culture and the media". Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbe46 (talk • contribs) 01:24, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps surprisingly, I do think there's something to this and I've removed the last part of that sentence for now. Cbe46, the lead section is really just a summary of the article itself. It doesn't necessarily need sources because everything should be referenced properly below. The fifth paragraph of the "Reception and public appearances" goes into her Colbert Report appearance in greater detail, and it's sourced to The Verge. So, we should be good, right? Except I don't think we are. The Verge doesn't really say anything about her "improving gender inclusivity in gaming culture and the media". It verges (sorry) on that topic but only in the context of what Colbert said ("separate but equal games"), not Sarkeesian. I bet she does say this in the video itself, but I feel that we should let third-party sources show us what to highlight, especially in the lead section. Anyways, anyone should feel free to revert me with another source that talks about these specific claims. Or just revert me because reasons. Woodroar (talk) 01:56, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
It should have read something like "and appeared on The Colbert Report discussing her experiences of harassment and the challenge of attempting to improve gender inclusivity in gaming culture and the media". I somewhat object to the complete removal of the quote by Woodroar. The specific words do not need to appear in the reliable source for the statement of her intent to be addressed (a full transcript is available). For additional sources in any case: Kotaku, , WashingtonPost, LA Times , MotherJones referring to the sentence from the show "I think women are perceived as threatening because we are asking for games to be more inclusive,” Sarkeesian said. “We’re asking for games to acknowledge that we exist and that we love games.". Koncorde (talk) 17:35, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
I've reverted but changed it to your verbiage, I like that much better. I also added what I think are the 2 strongest sources, but (of course) I don't mind at all if we add the others. Cheers! Woodroar (talk) 23:54, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
I find myself marveling at how rarely these days we have controversy on this talk page, how clearly constructive the suggestion by User:Cbe46 was, and how quickly this modest request led to page improvement. This IS the article about the lady gamer who's trying to burn the entire male-dominated gaming community down right? Can't anyone dredge up some old YouTube comments or archival Reddit threads which say something offensive? Is it possible the imposition of discretionary sanctions coupled with the semi-protection have allowed this place to cool down? We may be forced to allow this article to get even better if someone doesn't start a scene here... BusterD (talk) 06:34, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Define "willing", and then question why that word is being used in a disingenuous way. When there are news sources proudly declaring that putting children in detention camps is moral, or justifying the shooting of medics during protests, or standing with right wing nationalists, what suggests that they would be un-"willing" to go speak out about Sarkeesian? Then define "truth", and then question why you don't think the content is true and what is being missed that would be more true. Koncorde (talk) 10:36, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
It's a reliable source for the opinions of the author of the post; those opinions are about Feminist Frequency, not Anita Sarkeesian, and so should not be placed in this article. PeterTheFourth (talk) 22:32, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Chmielarz himself might be notable enough an opinion in its own self published right (he is a well known designer, and Indie game developers tend not to have the media traction someone at a larger organisation has, which may mean this is an underrepresented opinion within Misplaced Pages). But in any case it should be on the Tropes wiki, and should be in context without UNDUE. Whether he is loved or hated by Vice or others is basically irrelevant. Koncorde (talk) 09:56, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Not an appropriate source for either article. Medium.com is (in this case as with similar ones) a blog host and thus falls afoul of WP:SPS. The author isn't an expert source on media criticism or video game criticism, unless he's got some other expertise on video game criticism beyond being an indie developer.--Cúchullain/c14:07, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
"If you Google my name on YouTube you get shitheads like this dude who are making these dumb-assed videos," she says. "They just say the same shit over and over again. I hate to give you attention because you're a garbage human. These dudes just making endless videos that go after every feminist over and over again is a part of the issue of why we have to have these conversations."
So what you have given us here is what we call a primary source; that is, words purported to be by the article subject herself. We are careful with these! Please see WP:RSPRIMARY. It would be best if you could point us to a secondary source's interpretation. But, even failing that, I'm not quite sure what you're proposing here. Cheers! Dumuzid (talk) 13:17, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
@Skyrant: So Benjamin (who repeatedly and persistently harassed Sarkeesian) was subjected to a one-off verbal rebuke and that makes him the victim of harassment? If you want to discuss this absolute nonsense further, bring a reliable secondary source calling her actions harassment. --ChiveFungi (talk) 15:38, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
@Wumbolo: Thank you for reminding me of WP:BLPTALK. Here are some citations: "many are wondering how this seemingly progressive gathering dropped the ball and let a YouTuber’s harasser into the front row" "Benjamin, who regularly makes videos criticizing Sarkeesian and her views, organized a targeted harassment campaign" --ChiveFungi (talk) 18:11, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
How is it possible that an article about a figure this notable does not have a more accurate birthday? -- Sleyece (talk) 23:03, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Because nobody has cited a reliable source for it. Such a source must be from a reliable outlet and cannot be a primary document, per WP:BLPPRIMARY. Without a good source, this information cannot be added to the article. Grayfell (talk) 23:11, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
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