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David

Hello Jane955,

I didn't want to move to far off topic over on the David talk page, so I thought I'd ask here. You say that "Uriah" means "ruler" or "leader" in the Yevusi language. But where does this idea come from. As far as I know, nothing written in Yevusi (if there ever was a Yevusi language) has been preserved. So how could we know what the names mean? Is this based on some kind of theory about Uriah being related to the Hurrian ewir? Alephb (talk) 13:58, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Alephb, Moshe Yahalom majored in archaeology & biblical studies. He wrote a series of books called "The secular bible". I took this from Yahalom's book that is titled: "King David myth or History?". He also explains the meaning of important names such as Uriah. It is important to see the words spelled in Hebrew. Basically to answer your question, the biblical writers (years later) made a mistake with the nikud (punctuation), but the letters mean "Leader" in Yevusit.--Jane955 (talk) 18:39, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

I found the answer to your second question on page13. Yevusit* was a “lost language” at the time when the scribes added punctuation to the text.

According to archaeology, it is known that the meaning of the word Evri* or Ervai in Yevusit is ruler, King or leader. So, even though it is a lost language the meaning of this word is known to archaeologists.

כאן הוא קורה לשפה חורית במקום יבוסית*

אֶוְרִי או אִרְוִי*

--Jane955 (talk) 23:57, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

TransJordan

"Under the terms of the McMahon-Hussein correspondence and Sykes-Picot agreements, Transjordan was to be part of an Arab state or confederation of Arab states. In 1918, the British military retreated from Trans-Jordan, in an indication of their political ideas about the future of the territory, which according to their position was designated to be part of the Arab Syrian state."

This is about transjordan (today's Jordan), the region East of the Jordan river. The British were to oversee the transition from Ottoman control to Jewish control in the region west of the Jordan river. MAP --Jane955 (talk) 17:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

You aren't bothered by a page that says only Christians are open to the facts? Zero 14:26, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I didn't notice that. I added the link for the maps.--Jane955 (talk) 15:09, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Canvassing

"I asked editors from the Hebrew page to help here" — this sort of thing is not allowed. You expect editors of the Hebrew wiki to be more sympathetic to your point of view, so you asked them for help. Please read WP:CANVAS for the type of notifications that are acceptable. Zero 02:37, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. I am asking people who understand the topic. There are also Muslim Israelis. I never said that I want Jewish people to write on this page. The editors here haven't heard about the fires, how will they write about it? and what exactly is my point of view that I am trying to support? Al Jazera said the same things that I did. The reason I want other editors is because I am tired of you and this constant attack. I will not invest hours of my time, and then go through this.--Jane955 (talk) 14:13, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

So if someone asked for help only on the Arabic page, that would not be a problem for you? Zero 14:43, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Go for it, ask someone in Gaza to help. That would be great.--Jane955 (talk) 17:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Stop deleting talk page comments

Per WP:ARCHIVENOTDELETE " do not delete the content, even your own". You have done this more than once, even after being reverted and informed of this. - Galatz גאליץ 13:07, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

It does not contribute to the page. I feel like I am talking to myself since I am the only person working on this page. Its ridiculous. At this point it might be better to delete the page, unless some Israeli editors join. Galatz, who hired you to be the Misplaced Pages police?--Jane955 (talk) 14:04, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

If you want to be around here for long, you really need to stop arguing and start listening when experienced editors inform you about our rules and procedures. The only things that should be deleted from talk pages are things that are severe violations of talk page policy. Like vandalism. Don't write anything to talk pages that you aren't willing to have kept as a permanent record of discussion. Your personal talk page (this one) is the only exception. (And by the way, as an administrator explaining the rules to new editors, and enforcing them if necessary, is part of my duties.) Zero 14:42, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Zero, well then go ahead and delete the page Israel-Gaza 2018. I can not be the only one working on this page. There is no one to talk to and I can't stand being constantly criticized when I am trying to contribute. --Jane955 (talk) 14:51, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

There is a procedure for deleting articles. But you would be wasting your time as there is no chance whatever in this case. Zero 15:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, you know, I looked at the article and changed my mind. It is a piece of crap and should be deleted. There is nothing in it that can be usefully merged anywhere either. As for your editing, imagine moaning about one editor who didn't know about the fires, while not even mentioning the 136 people, mostly unarmed civilians, who have been shot dead and hundreds more maimed for life on the Gazan side of the border. That is exactly the sort of extreme bias that we don't want around here. Go away. Zero 15:13, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@Zero0000: This article was only created since they couldn't edit the main Gaza-Israel article due to not being auto-confirmed. Something they were informed of here . - Galatz גאליץ 15:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

I have 500 edits. I can edit any page. I want to work on this page but there is no way that I will invest my time while constantly being criticized. Not sure where all this anger comes from. Its not like you live in Shderot, under rocket fire and with fires all around you. Now that I have 500 edits, do you see me editing the other pages? Sorry Galaz, but you are just assuming things. Fire balloons don't fall under the category of border protests, but what ever, I don't care. I'm moving this month and have other things to do. --Jane955 (talk) 17:12, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Zero, I am sure the death of the Palestinians was mentioned in the protest page. I was talking about the fire kites and until recently the IDF was not allowed to kill the youth that was launching them. I did name the 2 Palestinians that were killed, during the strike on Gaza. Believe it or not, Israelis do not compete as to who has more casualties. Israelis try to protect their civilians and build shelters. The Canadian news reports on the fires in Greece but not in Israel. That is a bias. What do you mean by “Go away”? That is very unprofessional, if you actually work for Misplaced Pages. --Jane955 (talk) 17:12, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Zero, almost certainly doesn't work for Misplaced Pages. He or she is probably just an experienced editor here, familiar with the way that things get done. And, in general, experienced editors are useful. If you keep bumping up against people criticizing you everywhere, that's a hint. You should either learn to take advice, or leave Misplaced Pages. If you keep insisting on deleting your comments even after being warned not to you, you'll be shown the door sooner or later anyhow. Alephb (talk) 22:01, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Alephb, At this point deleting my comments is not the issue but the bullying behavior of the editors. That will be dealt with else where. It seemed to me like the ridiculous interaction with the editors should be removed from such a serious page, but like I said, that is not important anymore since the page will get removed.--Jane955 (talk) 22:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Forum shopping

Your forum shopping (ie, raising the exact same case on several boards), as you did on Misplaced Pages talk:Civility, Misplaced Pages talk:Please do not bite the newcomers, and on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, is not helpful, and is generally frowned upon. Please don't do that again, Huldra (talk) 20:50, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

I am not "shopping". Because I wrote it in these forums, one of the editors pointed me to the right direction: to write to the administration. and yes, it was helpful. You can even read the discussion where he points me in the right direction. And if I go back and delete the comments I will get scolded for that as well. --Jane955 (talk) 23:00, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Jane is referring to this conversation, where I recommended she not go to AP:ANI: . She was talking about getting someone removed, and I told her where such things happen, while pointing out that it likely wouldn't go well for her. Alephb (talk) 23:33, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Alephb.--Jane955 (talk) 02:30, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Modesty guard

I suggest you self-revert your recent edit to the article. It is a simple incontrovertible fact that the status of Jerusalem (and of the Old City in particular) is contested, and accordingly a section heading asserting that the Western Wall is in Israel (as opposed to say under Israeli control) is a violation of Misplaced Pages NPOV policy. There is no reason whatsoever why the article should need to make such assertions anyway, and including such claims would arguably place the article under the remit of the Arab–Israeli conflict discretionary sanctions you have already been informed of. This is totally pointless for an article which is otherwise entirely beyond the scope of such sanctions, and in my opinion not only contrary to policy but needlessly confrontational. You are fully entitled to hold whatever opinions you like regarding the status of the Western Wall, but Misplaced Pages isn't the place to promote them. WP:NPOV policy is entirely clear, and if you fail to revert the edit, or at least come up with a policy based reason (on the article talk page, not here) as to why the article should be making such an assertion, I shall raise the matter at WP:ANI. 86.147.197.31 (talk) 14:36, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Who are you? what is your user name? Misplaced Pages is about facts and not conspiracies. In this century, at this time the Western Wall is under Israeli sovereignty. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. (This page is not about East Jerusalem.) and by the way the Arab party is the third largest party in the Knesset, that is located in Israel's capital: Jerusalem.--Jane955 (talk) 15:15, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Since it is apparent you are unwilling or unable to provide a policy-based explanation for your edit, and have instead resorted to further soapoxing and personal attacks (i.e. you post on User talk:Alephb) I have raised the matter at WP:ANI, as a continuation of the thread you started there. I would strongly advise you to read up on Misplaced Pages NPOV policy, and on the appropriate use of talk pages, before responding. 86.147.197.31 (talk) 16:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, good luck and by the way you need 500 edits to edit on Middle East related subjects.--Jane955 (talk) 16:59, 28 July 2018 (UTC)