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• I understand you chided someone for their grammar and spelling, which I appreciate. That this owner may be run by its account is an interesting comment. I hope it's not true, but I thank you for the thought. And I will go and look at all these accounts I'm supposed to be. Who knows, they might show promise! Drmies (talk) 14:05, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

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Unblock request

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Blocking administrator: GoldenRing (talk)

Reviewing administrator: TonyBallioni (talk) 01:18, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Request reason:

After the blocking administrator has left a comment, do one of the following:

If you decline the unblock request, replace this template with the following, substituting {{subst:Decline reason here}} with any specific rationale. If you do not edit the text after "decline=", a default reason why the request was declined will be inserted.

{{unblock reviewed|1=An Arb has suggested that I follow the template for appealing that can be found at the en.wp guide to appealing blocks as closely as possible. So here we go: *State your reason for believing your block was incorrect or for requesting reconsideration. ::I do not believe I should still be blocked for WP:NOTHERE. My record of contributions at fr.wp , en.wikiversity , meta , and even simple.wp show that I've been able to improve WMF "knowledge" products while trying to contribute or just learn from meta-reflections and how-tos in more effective places. I have even contributed to en.wp occasionally through people who thought my proposed text was a reasonable improvement and added it in their own name. I have not violated any en.wp rules during the period of my block. Concerning the rest of the accusations in the block record, I will be frank. I do not believe I should have ever been blocked for "harassment and intimidation". That is simply smear. *Address the blocking administrator's concerns about your conduct (the reason given for your block). ::After over a year of being blocked I have still had no further explanation from @GoldenRing: concerning the "harassment and intimidation" claims (no reply to any email in fact, so I stopped trying long ago). If he still stands by his block, I would be happy to hear why. *Give evidence. :Let's stick to the basics of the affair I was blocked over: :# I commented at AN/I when Crossswords drew my attention to an incident they had filed (§). :# I followed a bot notification to an RfC on a page in American politics called "And you are lynching Negroes" which caught my attention. As a result, I was blocked by Dennis Brown on Sagecandor's request (§) for 6 months for "wiki-hounding". Dennis Brown has since defended his block as being "community-based", although I suspect they've realized the error of that (very small) "community" by now, since they've been a regular WO reader in the two years since. :# After being blocked I learned a fair bit about the history of the en.wp editing environment by reading the critical fora and continued to observe the political sphere. It was no secret that Sagecandor had begun writing a lot of book reports in the weeks before my return, and when I noticed them adding to the en.wp Bibliography of Donald Trump, I thought it wise to try to inform the readers what was going on. I was blocked indefinitely on Sagecandor's request (§) as a result of documenting this on the talk page. :# It has been suggested to me that a better approach would have been to start an SPI as was done when they returned to en.wp in 2018, after at least a half-dozen people had worked to compile the evidence adduced in that SPI. (§) :# I have remained interested in Misplaced Pages and its problems. I wrote an article and compiled a lot of data concerning Wikipedian sourcing § while blocked. :# In October 2018, the Arbitration Committee removed the second layer of block they had placed on me to solve the problem of the smear about "harrassment and intimidation" being broadcast to anyone who clicked on my user-name. :Again, if Goldenring (§) would like to defend the use of the words harassment & intimidation, I would listen to whatever they had to say, but I think the facts show otherwise. I remember reading in the guidelines not to leave out the background. Essential reading is Cirt's established MO of asking for action against so-called wikihounds on trumped-up charges. (§) :I would be touched if Goldenring would unblock me personally with an edit summary retracting his caricature of straightforward observation as "harassment and intimidation". :Thank you for taking the time to read this request for administrative review of the two blocks that Cirt requested be placed on my account. — 🍣 SashiRolls (talk) 00:38, 28 October 2018 (UTC)|decline={{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

If you accept the unblock request, replace this template with the following, substituting Accept reason here with your rationale:

{{unblock reviewed|1=An Arb has suggested that I follow the template for appealing that can be found at the en.wp guide to appealing blocks as closely as possible. So here we go: *State your reason for believing your block was incorrect or for requesting reconsideration. ::I do not believe I should still be blocked for WP:NOTHERE. My record of contributions at fr.wp , en.wikiversity , meta , and even simple.wp show that I've been able to improve WMF "knowledge" products while trying to contribute or just learn from meta-reflections and how-tos in more effective places. I have even contributed to en.wp occasionally through people who thought my proposed text was a reasonable improvement and added it in their own name. I have not violated any en.wp rules during the period of my block. Concerning the rest of the accusations in the block record, I will be frank. I do not believe I should have ever been blocked for "harassment and intimidation". That is simply smear. *Address the blocking administrator's concerns about your conduct (the reason given for your block). ::After over a year of being blocked I have still had no further explanation from @GoldenRing: concerning the "harassment and intimidation" claims (no reply to any email in fact, so I stopped trying long ago). If he still stands by his block, I would be happy to hear why. *Give evidence. :Let's stick to the basics of the affair I was blocked over: :# I commented at AN/I when Crossswords drew my attention to an incident they had filed (§). :# I followed a bot notification to an RfC on a page in American politics called "And you are lynching Negroes" which caught my attention. As a result, I was blocked by Dennis Brown on Sagecandor's request (§) for 6 months for "wiki-hounding". Dennis Brown has since defended his block as being "community-based", although I suspect they've realized the error of that (very small) "community" by now, since they've been a regular WO reader in the two years since. :# After being blocked I learned a fair bit about the history of the en.wp editing environment by reading the critical fora and continued to observe the political sphere. It was no secret that Sagecandor had begun writing a lot of book reports in the weeks before my return, and when I noticed them adding to the en.wp Bibliography of Donald Trump, I thought it wise to try to inform the readers what was going on. I was blocked indefinitely on Sagecandor's request (§) as a result of documenting this on the talk page. :# It has been suggested to me that a better approach would have been to start an SPI as was done when they returned to en.wp in 2018, after at least a half-dozen people had worked to compile the evidence adduced in that SPI. (§) :# I have remained interested in Misplaced Pages and its problems. I wrote an article and compiled a lot of data concerning Wikipedian sourcing § while blocked. :# In October 2018, the Arbitration Committee removed the second layer of block they had placed on me to solve the problem of the smear about "harrassment and intimidation" being broadcast to anyone who clicked on my user-name. :Again, if Goldenring (§) would like to defend the use of the words harassment & intimidation, I would listen to whatever they had to say, but I think the facts show otherwise. I remember reading in the guidelines not to leave out the background. Essential reading is Cirt's established MO of asking for action against so-called wikihounds on trumped-up charges. (§) :I would be touched if Goldenring would unblock me personally with an edit summary retracting his caricature of straightforward observation as "harassment and intimidation". :Thank you for taking the time to read this request for administrative review of the two blocks that Cirt requested be placed on my account. — 🍣 SashiRolls (talk) 00:38, 28 October 2018 (UTC)|accept=Accept reason here ~~~~}}

• I'm willing to copy this to AN as the original blocking admin is currently inactive and the blocklog specifies appeal to the community/it just came off an arb block. If you're fine with that, let me know. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:56, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

If that's the normal protocol, I have no objection. Thanks. SashiRolls (talk) 01:03, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Copied to AN. On hold until it closes. If another admin closes it, they're free to unblock/decline without consulting me even though my name is in the template. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:18, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Unsurprisingly, some old "friends" have shown up to say things like: "I'm gonna have to go with decline just because I don't see any acknowledgement of the behavior that led to the block". It is interesting to note that after I've spent several hours compiling all the necessary links for people to study the case fairly, one fellow who was just today reprimanded concerning chronic incivility can't even be bothered to write out all of his words properly in order to try to sway the crowd, and another copies a link that I'd already provided, trying to give it more importance than the very clear evidence that Sagecandor/Cirt has, for years, chased after people with false claims of wikihounding and harassment (§). As a point of fact, I did in fact acknowledge that the behavior that led to my block was: a former sysop violating their topic ban by socking and clamoring for those who realized it to be blocked. I'm not sure that anything further needs to be added. Meanwhile no evidence of harrassment or of intimidation has been provided by either of the "first responders". — 🍣 SashiRolls (talk) 02:43, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Actually, something does need to be added. I have no possibility of replying to the involved non-admins (Calton, Mpants, & Johnuniq) getting re-involved at the Administrator's Noticeboard. As such, I would request, @TonyBallioni:, that you copy the following to AN, allowing me to respond just once to four people:

I would like to explain the logic to Johnuniq: Sagecandor was a sock of Cirt. Cirt's appeal of their topic ban prohibiting them from editing about politicians and political culture was declined 13-1 the last time it was appealed to ArbCom . Cirt , therefore, had no right to be socking to avoid scrutiny given that there were active sanctions against their account, which they were violating. By extension, they did not have the standing to prosecute anyone for noticing their highly abnormal editing patterns which -- as it turns out, again -- violated active sanctions.

As for assurances / pact of non-aggression: I have no intention of tracking down any more socking sysops, nor do I intend to lay down evidence of any further wrong-doings by anyone in the inner cabal, not to worry. I'm just giving en.wp a chance to fix an embarrassing mistake it has had made for it by an absentee sysop/clerk.

So far, this thread includes no DIFFs showing any harassment or intimidation of Sagecandor whatsoever and plenty of DIFFs showing Sagecandor/Cirt falsely crying "wiki-hounding/harassment/intimidation" (the link provided above leads to dozens of examples of it). I look forward to this request being studied in depth by an uninvolved administrator here at the Administrator's Noticeboard, because I would really like someone to reply with evidence rather than just per Haps -- who provided no DIFFS -- or from half-forgotten memories of a case they never understood had been brought by a scrutiny-evading sock with quite a reputation... (i.e. quite a way to be welcomed to Misplaced Pages). By the way, Calton, MPants & Johnuniq, nice to see you again. ^^ — 🍣 SashiRolls (talk) 06:14, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate you giving me this opportunity to respond to the comments made and to clarify the logic of my appeal and to clarify that I have no intention of rupturing anything (promise). Sorry I had to get you involved again, I didn't expect the discussion at AN to be dominated by folks who have never passed an RfA. SashiRolls (talk) 06:14, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

(copied over) GorillaWarfare (talk) 08:07, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Your anagrams are just so much cooler than mine! Thanks. Also, reading what you just wrote about the Twitter harassment you've endured does irritate me, and not just for the selfish reason that I'm being thrown into the same boat as people who actually *do* harass. SashiRolls (talk) 08:57, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

If I ever get blocked, the admins can look out for users named "Aria Feral Growl", "Rage Flail Arrow", "Earwig Fall Roar", and "A Feral Air Growl". GorillaWarfare (talk) 09:16, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, GW for copying this. I was asleep. Sashi, feel free to ping me in the future if you need anything copied. If I’m online, I’ll do it. TonyBallioni (talk) 11:50, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @TonyBallioni:. Sleep is good. I've had some too, though less than perhaps I should have since I'm finally appealing and that is a little exciting, though it really shouldn't be. :) At some point, I think it would be good to reassure Ivan Vector (who doesn't know me) that I am neither a crusader nor a creep. Would you be willing to copy this over to respond to his comments?

I would like to reassure Ivan Vector that I have no intention of going on any crusades and bear no grudges against anyone. Contrary to what you said, I do not think I have some mission to "save" Misplaced Pages or that it would even be possible for one person to do such a thing. I'm not a hasten-the-day agent trying to get myself embedded in plain sight into Misplaced Pages. I've already told ArbCom that I have learned that the high-conflict political pages are probably best avoided entirely (not only for the peace of the project, but for my own peace of mind). There are just too many people with too many divergent viewpoints to act efficiently in that area. Some people I respect would probably consider this laziness, but such is life. I've had more than enough of wiki-drama.

On the other hand, I do have an avid interest in learning, and en.wp is a place from which I've learned a lot, on many levels. It is a tool I've used regularly for over a decade -- entirely unnoticed for about 10 years (§: the first account I lost my password to) -- prior to recent events in US politics. Not really having had the time or the competence/expertise to edit well during that period (which was much more permissive of OR than en.wp is today), it was only in 2016 that I dipped into the conflictual areas and began rigorously learning the citation templates. I sometimes have been known to just lurk in the background and help people who like to move more quickly by helping them format references properly. I generally am most interested in the reference sections of articles (since that's where all the facts come from) and like to give scholars / journalists credit by including their names in the citation templates. It's important to give credit where it is due.

I can also help the project by copy-editing (in two languages) and note that there is a lot of fr -> en.wp translation work that I could dig into. In terms of writing: I have been working on improving my synthetic skills, because I have an annoying tendency of trying to pack too much into a sentence. As a general rule, I like to think of the reader. I have not created 1000s of articles, just one in fact (in both French and English), as well as an unpretentious English phonology page at wikiversity. I am here offering to help improve en.wp in a minor way. I look forward to continuing to learn in that process.

For reference here are some of my last content edits to en.wp, written in the hours before being indefinitely blocked as WP:NOTHERE . Some other long-standing contributions can be found in this section. I appreciated the research I found on that page. I find it fascinating that Choctaw, Mobilian Jargon, Yoruba, and the Bostonian press were all probably involved in the spread of the new word OK, and had no idea of that before I started looking through the assembled documents in that en.wp entry (some of which had been deleted, others not). So, OK. I'll try not to soapbox, but I did want to acknowledge that I'd heard your concerns, I.V., and to respond to them. I am neither a crusader trying to convert "infidels", nor a creep. SashiRolls (talk) 17:39, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done TonyBallioni (talk) 19:07, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm sorry to bother you again, @TonyBallioni:, I hadn't even thanked you for the last transfer yet, and already MPants is quite adamant that he wants attention. What do you think of this reply Tony? My difficulty is that I know there is a small group that nothing I write will convince. Should I just leave the response here as a talkpage comment or do you think it should be copied over there to satisfy his demands? I could also just send a private message to his account at WPO containing the same words, but he seems to want me to perform a public ritual...

@MjolnirPants:: you seem to be signifying rather adamantly that I need to respond to you, so I will. Still, I don't think there's any context of violent disagreement here to lead you into such strong language use. I would ask you to consider listening to the community's repeated requests that you tone your "absolute freedom to curse" line down. This is probably a lost battle, but at least permit me not to join in your fun.

It would also help me to know what it is exactly that you want me to identify as blameworthy in my contribution history. Would I be correct in assuming you would like me to mention that I noted some information about how much a particular donor/contractor was paid during the election? That is a matter of public record. Juxtaposing that story with the AE railroad line I'd just been pushed into by Mr. Cirt and saying the two stories might "even be loosely related based on political affiliation and strategy" (§)?

Perhaps, looking backwards rather than forwards, it would have been wiser not to suggest such things to the Signpost. At the time, I didn't know that Bishonen's dragons eat that paper as soon as it comes. Housepets with such fire in their bellies probably would just be belching and cursing and otherwise making a nuisance of themselves should unexpected strangers pop in.

Back then, I tried to be graceful under pressure and carefully state that the two stories were only very loosely related, but I fear that by juxtaposing them, I annoyed a lot of people anyway. In order to vow never to do that again, I have had to repeat the facts above by stating that I once did that. Very backwards-looking, don't you think, MPants? I hope this answers your question sufficiently and I wish you luck in moving on, for you part, with renewed vigor in your continued efforts towards toning down your language. You might consider taking a break from commenting on noticeboards if it is stressing you out. I know I intend to take a good long break from them. SashiRolls (talk) 02:05, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I think I really should just let MPants reply here if he wants to engage further, no need to copy this over. As far as what Cullen has added, sure, I can agree that looking back I have seen that I was not always as graceful under pressure as I had once thought, especially during the earliest days of editing in July-Sept. 2016. That was more than two years ago. I have indeed learned quite a bit since then, which would have helped me better understand what is indeed a very singular internet environment with very particular rules (with special forbidden words ("spin") & discouraged practices (like exchanging PMs to resolve/de-escalate disagreements rather than always everywhere being "on stage"). SashiRolls (talk) 02:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I was doing some CU stuff and then got distracted by something at home. Yeah, I think letting MPants respond here likely makes the most sense. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:07, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Really, the problem you would have needed to address was your tendency to over-personalize discussions and go on the attack against other user who disagree with you. I mean, you basically alleged that everyone who opposed you at the AE case held a grudge against you, and that's just obviously not true. And had you responded to admitting to that and promising to work on it, I'd have responded by posting a diff to me striking my oppose !vote.

• MPants is quite adamant that he wants attention I never even hinted that you needed to respond to me directly.
• do you think it should be copied over there to satisfy his demands? I never made such a demand.
• you seem to be signifying rather adamantly that I need to respond to you See the top response.
• Still, I don't think there's any context of violent disagreement here to lead you into such strong language use. My use of the word "shit" was not even remotely parsable as anything resembling aggression towards you. Hell, the context in which I used it was to say "if Sashi does this, I'll support their unblock" which you might recognize as the opposite of "violent disagreement".
• I would ask you to consider listening to the community's repeated requests that you tone your "absolute freedom to curse" line down. You have not only grossly (and, given the context, almost certainly intentionally) misrepresented my stance, you have also very badly misread the community's stance.
• This is probably a lost battle, but at least permit me not to join in your fun. I think it's funny that an indeffed user is trying to offer me advice on how to avoid sanctions. Ironic, even. It's certainly condescending in a particular way.
• I wish you luck in moving on, for you part, with renewed vigor in your continued efforts towards toning down your language. I can see literally no point in you saying this. It's just incredibly stupid. You could have responded to me with civility and gotten a civil response back, but instead, you chose to personalize and to go on the attack.

But that's not how you responded. Instead, you responded with a number of (poorly) veiled attacks against me, the last of which serves no purpose except to try and offend me (lol good luck). So yeah, I'm gonna go change my !vote from "oppose" to "strong oppose" and link to this diff as explanation. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 04:13, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

• Unblock on hold