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Please note The reason I don't name any specific editors in my farewell message is to avoid people saying "This is about user X and needs to go". A certain editor recently assumed "the whole hounding thing" was about them, but this is clearly incorrect.

Sorry to see you go

Hope you'll find the interest in coming back sometime. I stopped editing for two years after an upsetting incident, and eventually did find some joy here again. valereee (talk) 12:05, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Also sorry to see this, and I hope you do return. You do a lot of good here. Dekimasuよ! 22:28, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

So we never grabbed that beer you promised while I was living in Japan, and now you leave here without telling me? I understand though, take care and come back when you feel like it. Alex Shih (talk) 08:08, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Sad to see you go. Hope you'll change your mind in the future! -Zanhe (talk) 20:24, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Interaction ban

Following this ANI thread, you are indefinitely banned from interacting with Darkknight2149, subject to the usual exceptions. The restriction has been logged here. GiantSnowman 14:27, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

requesting a two way interaction ban

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Dream Focus 05:36, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Socking

Please see ].Slatersteven (talk) 16:02, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Restoring tpa

As you know, Hijiri, you're on a self-requested block until February 2; a type of block that includes revoking tpa access and wikimail when I set it. But after our e-mail discussion and some consideration, I have decided to restore tpa and e-mail Bishonen | talk 09:45, 24 January 2019 (UTC).

@Bishonen: THANK YOU! First off, I should apologize again for not thoroughly familiarizing myself with your standard self-requested block rules beforehand, and for being too proud to walk it back once you told me. That was my bad, and I am terribly sorry.

For everyone else: I should also clarify that, if the community feels that my editing via an IP was disruptive block evasion, I am prepared to accept the consequences. I thought that if I clarified up-front that "I am Hijiri, my block was self-requested, and I hadn't fully thought through the consequences, but I need to respond because I feel I am being hounded" my problem would be understood and it would not be seen as sockpuppetry or the like; apparently, I was wrong, and for this too I apologize.

It has actually come to my attention that a bunch of other events occurred roughly simultaneously with my posting my retirement message. Not only did an editor I conflicted with last year, who had been blocked multiple times for harassing me, return to editing, but another editor who was site-banned last summer partly for conflicting with me was also apparently quite aware of it, apparently because someone has been going around emailing people about me, and another editor I conflicted with back in 2015, who was site-banned in 2017, appealed their site ban within minutes of my most recent logged-in edit before this one.

All of this has me feeling quite distressed, and while I do, now, intend to return to working on Misplaced Pages from next month, I ... really do not know what is going to be done about whatever has been going on. I hope someone will be willing to help me, but ... well, I'm just afraid. This whole affair has had me feeling utterly miserable, and I don't know what I can do to make it go away; shortly before my block, I emailed an admin with a sincere apology for all the trouble I had caused in the day or so leading up to my retirement, and yet people continued to push for me to be sanctioned specifically because I was supposedly refusing to acknowledge any wrongdoing.

So I'm going to say this one more time, here, publicly: I AM SORRY. I'm sorry I have brought disputes to ANI and caused trouble to the community. I'm sorry I didn't familiarize myself with the terms of the block I requested. I'm sorry I edited logged out in because I felt buyer's remorse once I realized I was still being hounded, rather than simply waiting out the block. I'm sorry for using for ... everything. Please, just accept my apology.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:11, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Hijiri, forget all about the past. After the expiration of the block, edit Misplaced Pages as usual. Wiki-community needs your outstanding knowledge on literature.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 10:25, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm going to give you some advice, Hijiri, as I do not like seeing people distressed or miserable. If you want all this stuff to go away, you really do need stop bringing it up. That includes mentioning past disputes, perceived hounding, even if you don't name editors and refer to them instead with terms like "a certain editor", "an editor I conflicted with", or "some people", and so on. Each time, you know who you are talking about, they know who you are talking about, it's just carrying on a cycle of feuds. Please use this as an opportunity to let it all go. I'm sure you don't enjoy all this feuding, and while I completely understand the desire to defend oneself, you don't have to do so. Nobody is judging you if, instead of fighting back, you disengage. Eventually everyone just gets tired of seeing the same names over and over again on ANI and escalating punishments get meted out; I don't want to see that happening to good editors. You can do this now, and from Feb 2, when your self-imposed block lifts, please just focus on editing. It's far more fun. If you find yourself wanting to be drawn into a dispute on a talk page about said editing, don't make a fuss, don't tell everyone "I can no longer work on this page because of X Y and Z" or "Certain parties have made this article a bad place to work", or anything dramatic; just quietly, without even an edit summary comment about hounding, put work on that article to one side for a while and find another one of the 6,000,000 or so articles on Misplaced Pages to work on. Find topics you enjoy working on collaboratively, where the other editors and the topic matter combine to make your editing something to look forward to. If there are real issues with harassment and/or people continuing to badger you after you accomplish this, then please feel free to email me or any admin you feel comfortable contacting, give them the facts, don't draw attention to the fact on Wiki, and allow the issue to be dealt with by someone else; you don't have to fight every battle. In fact, you don't have to fight any battles on Misplaced Pages at all, this is supposed to be a chilled-out, fun, educational hobby. Whenever it isn't, it's draining. Don't let it be. You'll have seen I have argued and am arguing in favour of interaction bans, this is not so much to punish both parties then it is to protect them from one another. I hope this finds you in good health and that you take this in the spirit it's intended, which is trying to be helpful. Cheers, Fish+Karate 10:39, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

@Fish and karate: Thank you for your advice. It's good, I appreciate it, and I will do my best to follow it.

I even, in theory, agree with You'll have seen I have argued and am arguing in favour of interaction bans, this is not so much to punish both parties then it is to protect them from one another. -- that's why I requested mutual IBANs with three editors in the past; the problem, though, is that several members of the community treat it as though it were a punishment for both parties, or at least for whichever one they want to at any given time. I think I sent you some of the diffs of this happening to me in the past (why I have since changed my mind and now avoid IBANs like the plague), but if not ... well, I don't want to talk about it because I would like to put the past in the past, but seriously, I would really like someone to come to my defense when people write things like The guy has a lot of flak with people, especially with and other guys. The amount of Interation bans he has seems to be a bunch... on-wiki, which still occasionally happens from time to time (the last flare-up was last July when I opened an ANI thread about an editor who had written a whole bunch of comments about how I was crazy and paranoid -- I admit I probably seem a little paranoid at the moment, but it's only because no less than four users in the last couple of weeks, none of whom have ever interacted with each other on-wiki, have publicly claimed to be receiving regular emails about me). The problem is that with IBANs, unlike TBANs, I cannot explain the reasons why I am subject to this or that IBAN when other people bring it up. Mr rnddude (talk · contribs) wrote in his response to my initial email two weeks ago that if anybody tries using an IBAN as leverage for some bs sanctions, ping me and I will personally tell them to fuck-off, but having a non-admin promise in private to tell people to fuck off when they harangue me about stuff because they know I can't fight back is ... well, it doesn't help all that much.

Also, on a basically unrelated note, I just recently re-read this and noticed you were included in a list of editors I had conflicted with or apparently conflicted with in the past; I honestly don't know, and am sorry for forgetting if that is what has happened, but do you have any idea why that was? If so, I'd really like to apologize to you specifically for whatever bad blood we might have had between us, since I just really wanna get all this stuff over and out in the open and finished and behind us, so if you have any recollection I would really appreciate it.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:33, 24 January 2019 (UTC)