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Re: . I agree this may be a controversial label, but I don't think should remove mentions that some scholars call it such from the article entirely. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 12:09, 28 May 2019 (UTC) | Re: . I agree this may be a controversial label, but I don't think should remove mentions that some scholars call it such from the article entirely. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 12:09, 28 May 2019 (UTC) | ||
: I am perfectly fine with '''attributed''' use of the term. The bottom paragraph of the lede uses this attributed (to IPN + Polish Parliament) + we have a whole ] section discussing this. However, as the label is contested (genocide actually being a distinct minority in my reading) - it can not be stated in our voice. The lede is probably unbalanced in that the last paragraph does not state that most scholars do not see this as genocide. ] (]) 12:31, 28 May 2019 (UTC) | : I am perfectly fine with '''attributed''' use of the term. The bottom paragraph of the lede uses this attributed (to IPN + Polish Parliament) + we have a whole ] section discussing this. However, as the label is contested (genocide actually being a distinct minority in my reading) - it can not be stated in our voice. The lede is probably unbalanced in that the last paragraph does not state that most scholars do not see this as genocide. ] (]) 12:31, 28 May 2019 (UTC) | ||
::Translation: "the lede does not reflect my extremist POV so I'm gonna claim it's "unbalanced" and make ] edits". Sources please.] (]) 13:11, 28 May 2019 (UTC) |
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Article shows only Polish side of the story.
The article heavily depends on Polish sources, some of then in Polish language, and doesn't even pretend to be interested in other side of the story - Ukrainian. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians died too from Polish hands, but who cares, right?
Antoni Macierewicz interview
Antoni Macierewicz, Poland's Defense Minister in „Minęła 20” program stated that massacre was orchestrated by Russians and NKVD and Ukrainians are not to blame. "According to Macierewicz restoration of the Ukrainian state in the interest of Polish. He added that the real enemy were the Russians, who "used" Ukrainian nationalists to organize genocide. This is reminiscent of the Ukrainian narrative, according to which the NKVD is responsible for Volyn."
significant number of the Ukrainian Orthodox clergy
What did the Uniate clergy do?Xx236 (talk) 10:37, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Slavs can't write English! The article is weird!
"In April they moved to the area of Krzemieniec, Rivne, Dubno and Lutsk. Between late March and early April 1943, killing approximately 7,000 unarmed men, women, and children in its first days."
I not understand!--Adûnâi (talk) 16:58, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Article shows only Polish side of the story with HUGE exageration.
Actions taken in Polish-occupied parts of Ukraine Most sources used in this article are not reliable — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.94.86.34 (talk) 01:13, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
To all Polish from Ukrainian
History is History and cannot be changed. No matter how much you would want to
For years russian accounts were operating online to demonize both Ukraine and Poland. Articles were severely edited against Ukraine.
It's however important to keep in mind - Polish-Ukraine peace pact - Treaty of Warsaw (1920) when two brother countries stood together
After that, Russia got involved - invaded Ukraine and Belarus. And Poland broke the agreement (Treaty of Warsaw) by signing Peace of Riga.
So Poland disregarded a 1920 ToW act and occupied Ukrainan territory despite promise not to, in favor of Russia. Poland didnt keep promise
What had been Poles doing in occupied part of Ukraine? Sure - you may not like to hear that as it will not be different from Volhynia case.
We both made mistakes. We must make sure not to make them again. As the only beneficiary of our bad relationships is now Russia.
Poland and Ukraine must stand together. 178.92.184.117 (talk) 17:23, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
- WP:NOTAFORUM. Instead of posting one thoughts, please consider improving various related articles, such as about the 1920 peace treaty. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:11, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Genocide?
Re: . I agree this may be a controversial label, but I don't think should remove mentions that some scholars call it such from the article entirely. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:09, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- I am perfectly fine with attributed use of the term. The bottom paragraph of the lede uses this attributed (to IPN + Polish Parliament) + we have a whole Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia#Question of genocide section discussing this. However, as the label is contested (genocide actually being a distinct minority in my reading) - it can not be stated in our voice. The lede is probably unbalanced in that the last paragraph does not state that most scholars do not see this as genocide. Icewhiz (talk) 12:31, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Translation: "the lede does not reflect my extremist POV so I'm gonna claim it's "unbalanced" and make WP:TENDENTIOUS edits". Sources please.Volunteer Marek (talk) 13:11, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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