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::Anyway, can I assume from the above that you have taken on board the multiple messages about not calling standard editorial discretion "original research" and will no longer do so? If so, this is a victory regardless of what else happens. ::Anyway, can I assume from the above that you have taken on board the multiple messages about not calling standard editorial discretion "original research" and will no longer do so? If so, this is a victory regardless of what else happens.
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:::{{Re|Hijiri88|Martinthewriter}} I think the current RfC asks a useful question that was not resolved by the discussion I closed. In the previous discussion, the Sato citation was a point of contention, but I don't think participants came to a conclusion on its reliability.{{pb}}Regarding canvassing, this is a bit of a grey area. It seems like everyone has been pinged, so it's not really a vote stacking problem at the moment. Be more careful of pings in the future, and try to be aware of how the notifications will come across to those on the other side. My two cents are that asking the same people to come back is a recipe for needless conflict, and that you probably won't get a great resolution. I would recommend leaving a ''neutrally worded'' message on WikiProject talk pages like ] and ]. Editors watching those pages likely have expertise and interest that could help resolve the dispute.{{pb}}As for good faith/bad faith, I think you both may want to take a bit of a breather. I don't think either of you are acting in bad faith, but you're clearly rubbing each other the wrong way. As editors, we are supposed to evaluate sources for their reliability, and while that requires editorial discretion, it's not ] (which has a very specific definition) and is actually encouraged by policies like ]. I can ''promise'' you that there are many things academics publish which are absolute crap (I've put out my fair share of CV padding crap), and so just like any newspaper article, we need to consider who is publishing an article and why to evaluate reliability and due weight. Rather than focusing on each other, try focusing on what compromises achieve that goal. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">— ]]​</span> 15:34, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

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GAN report: mystery solved?

Wugapodes, you may recall that in the GAN report's Malformed nominations sections, an "Unknown nomination" link to the Film section of the page, but with no other information beyond that, showed up for this first time on June 1, 2019. It finally disappeared last night, and I have a tentative diagnosis.

I believe the nomination in question was for Rushmore (film), which was originally made on May 31, 2019, during the day and with a subtopic of "Film". It was clearly a handmade GA nominee template (people are supposed to substitute the GAN template): what I thought was the problem here was that there were no links for the nominator or their talk page, which I fixed. What I missed when I finally started investigating in mid-June—and what I think caused your bot to pick up on the error—was that the date/time field was malformed: all times are supposed to have two digits for the hour and two for the minutes, and this was formatted "8:20, 31 May 2019 (UTC)" rather than "08:20, 31 May 2019 (UTC)", something I didn't notice until today, when I was trying to figure out what went wrong.

I think it was the problematic date that caused the problem, though there may have been something else about this nomination that caused it—this is a tentative diagnosis, after all, and it may be accurate, partially accurate, or not the actual issue at all. Still, this info might help you track down where in the code the error might have been generated, and why the link was to the section rather than the actual (problematic) nomination.

Hope all is well, and best of luck tracking this down. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:15, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Wow, yeah, that's probably it. The regular expression which parses the noms assumes that the timestamp has two digits for the hour, so that's an easy fix. Wug·a·po·des18:46, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

GANs to do

New Years Greetings

I've noticed that some of these GANs directly above are either done or on hold. In case you might be interested, I've recently listed the biography for the film director Martin Scorsese as a nomination. He is nominated for an Oscar this year and I thought it might be nice if his article could be brought to peer review quality before the Oscars next month, if you might be inclined to look at it. CodexJustin (talk) 17:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Jordan Hall

I saw your comment at RFA and got curious about Jordan Hall. When it comes back, here are some weak to middling sources that I dug up:

With the addition of some prison experiment sources to the above, I'd say the bare minimum is there to establish notability. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:02, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

This is decent coverage, although not entirely independent. Looks like the hall was named after Stanford's first president, David Starr Jordan.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:12, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
@ThatMontrealIP: thanks for this! SandyGeorgia also found a couple sources that were interesting. If I get around to writing the article again, these will all be very helpful. A fun fact about Jordan is that he was one of only two people to ever receive an honorary degree from his alma mater, Cornell University; the other being Cornell's co-founder A.D. White. — Wug·a·po·des00:55, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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Mexican Federalist War

How did you arrive at a "delete" conclusion for the discussion (Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 February 10#Mexican Federalist War) on the redirect Mexican Federalist War (diff) -- PBS (talk) 19:17, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

@PBS: Of the six participants in the discussion over three weeks, only one advocated keeping the redirect. Two participants, BDD and Rosguill, specifically rejected the keep argument. Clear consensus to delete. — Wug·a·po·des20:06, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

Thanks! -- llywrch (talk) 06:24, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

ChessBrowser

Are you planning to +2 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/extensions/ChessBrowser/+/561389/ yourself, or wait for someone else to review it? Just wondering... --DannyS712 (talk) 02:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@DannyS712: Gah, sorry, it's a busy time of the quarter and all the gerrit emails keep getting lost in the shuffle. I'll +2 it and work through the other comments too. Sorry! — Wug·a·po·des07:44, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@Wugapodes: no need to be sorry, I just wanted to do the cleanup separately, since I know you've done a lot of rounds already DannyS712 (talk) 07:45, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Can you take a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/extensions/ChessBrowser/+/574225/ ? DannyS712 (talk) 10:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

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Please remove the edit protection on Talk:North East Delhi riots

You have edit-protected this page but it means no IP editor can now comment atTalk:North East Delhi riots#Requested move 3 March 2020. Considering that all editors, not just logged-in editors, are invited to comment on the requested move, it's going to be hard to get consensus if they cannot then do so.

Can you please remove the protection or, in the alternate, note there that in my view that just naming the page Delhi riots is enough per WP:CONCISE, since we don't need "2020" to disambiguate which riots they are (no other title contains "Delhi riots"). 94.21.238.148 (talk) 10:31, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi anon, I've copied your comment into that section. I understand your frustration, and hopefully the page will not be protected for long. As you can tell from all the redacted entries in the page history, we're having some very serious issues on that talk page. — Wug·a·po·des19:34, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Wugapodes/Capricorn.js

For unification, it would be better to remove the “to” prepositions in the Namespaces, To section, being already included in the heading. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:04, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Please log ECP of North East Delhi riots

Per the terms of Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/India-Pakistan#Enforcement_log, please log your ECP of North East Delhi riots at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_enforcement_log#India-Pakistan. Thanks. Buffs (talk) 17:17, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

@Buffs: The page was placed under ECP by Jayron32 on 26 February. I only move protected the page (which I did log). It's not clear to me that the ECP protection Jayron placed was an arbitration enforcement action since it was in response to a request at WP:RFPP. Jayron, did you intend this as an Arbitration Enforcement action? — Wug·a·po·des18:53, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
The rationale you listed included "applied as an discretionary sanction under WP:ARBIPA". I'm basing my request on that verbiage. Buffs (talk) 19:05, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Yes, that clause qualifies the first part of the log message "Consensus required before moving page". This is further explained at the AE log entry that I added when placing the move protection: "Consensus is required before the page may be moved, and is enforced by full move protection (placed by Wugapodes, 2 March 2020)". That action did not modify the already existing ECP protection placed by Jayron on 26 February. — Wug·a·po·des19:22, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
@Buffs:I did not issue a discretionary sanction. This was a normal ECP based on a request at WP:RFPP. I was neither aware of, nor had any intention of, citing ARBIPA in my protection. --Jayron32 19:14, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
@Buffs: Also, you will note that Wugapodes DID log the action THEY took, and had already done so before you told them too. --Jayron32 19:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
1. Never "told" him to do anything. I asked. 2. I appreciate the clarification. Some of these ECPs are vague at best. Buffs (talk) 00:48, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
@Buffs: Sorry, I must have missed the question mark you never tried to type, nor any of the question words you never tried to you use when you "asked".--Jayron32 03:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Little help?

A new RFC was filed almost immediately after your response, asking largely the same question. The OP also pinged back everyone who had supported version A in an obvious attempt to prop up his interpretation of your close that even though consensus was for version C, it was really for version A. What's worse, several editors have responded to his ping.

At least two of them have also repeated the bogus "original research" attack against me that was made multiple times before and during the previous RFC. (I interpreted your Participants were asked to use their editorial discretion to determine how sources should be weighed in order to describe the etymology of the article topic. as referring to this "original research" claim; my apologies if I am the one who is interpreting you wrong.)

Beyond speedy-closing the RFC (a debateably INVOLVED action...) or issuing blocks/block-threats for repeated bad-faith accusations, I'm not sure exactly what you could do, but any advice on how to proceed from here would be most appreciated.

Hijiri 88 (やや) 08:33, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

The question of whether the Yuriko Sato article from Version C should remain tagged was never addressed in the previous request for comment. The current request for comment only asks whether the tags should remain or be removed, so this is a new topic of discussion. Hijiri88 pinged every person from the previous RFC who had supported version C, but none who had supported version A. Therefore, I pinged the remainder who had supported version A. This way, everyone who had previously expressed interest in the mottainai issue was asked to participate in the new RFC.Martinthewriter (talk) 08:50, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, and I already explained how the two are not the same. Canvassing people who you know will agree to preposterous proposals like citing a source that clearly got the relevant information from Misplaced Pages just because of who is already involved in the discussion (or whatever other reason) is not the same as notifying the people whose already-stated opinions are being misrepesented.
Anyway, can I assume from the above that you have taken on board the multiple messages about not calling standard editorial discretion "original research" and will no longer do so? If so, this is a victory regardless of what else happens.
Hijiri 88 (やや) 12:06, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
@Hijiri88 and Martinthewriter: I think the current RfC asks a useful question that was not resolved by the discussion I closed. In the previous discussion, the Sato citation was a point of contention, but I don't think participants came to a conclusion on its reliability.Regarding canvassing, this is a bit of a grey area. It seems like everyone has been pinged, so it's not really a vote stacking problem at the moment. Be more careful of pings in the future, and try to be aware of how the notifications will come across to those on the other side. My two cents are that asking the same people to come back is a recipe for needless conflict, and that you probably won't get a great resolution. I would recommend leaving a neutrally worded message on WikiProject talk pages like WT:WikiProject Japan and WT:WikiProject Linguistics. Editors watching those pages likely have expertise and interest that could help resolve the dispute.As for good faith/bad faith, I think you both may want to take a bit of a breather. I don't think either of you are acting in bad faith, but you're clearly rubbing each other the wrong way. As editors, we are supposed to evaluate sources for their reliability, and while that requires editorial discretion, it's not WP:OR (which has a very specific definition) and is actually encouraged by policies like WP:DUE. I can promise you that there are many things academics publish which are absolute crap (I've put out my fair share of CV padding crap), and so just like any newspaper article, we need to consider who is publishing an article and why to evaluate reliability and due weight. Rather than focusing on each other, try focusing on what compromises achieve that goal. — Wug·a·po·des15:34, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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