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Northumbria

Hey Angus,

ODNB has (giving the name and description):

• It doesn't have an article on Eadulf, but it calls him "Eadulf"
• Ealdred, leader of the Northumbrians
• Osulf , Earl of Bamburgh
• Waltheof does not have an article, and is referred to as Waltheof, with no identifier, in Uthred's article. I assume "Earl of Bamburgh" would be an appropriate descriptor.
• Uhtred, Earl of Bamburgh (the word "Bold" does not appear in the article)
• not sure about the leaders between Uhtred and Siward
• Siward, Earl of Northumbria.

Is that useful? john k 00:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem. john k 00:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Peer review

Hi Angusmclellan. I have seen that you are doing good work on medieval matters, and I abslutely loved your comment on the Götaland theory. I am doing a major overhaul of Beowulf-related articles and begun with Hroðgar and Halga. I would like to have them peer reviewed. You may have opinions.--Berig 10:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFA/Cynical

Thank you for contributing to my RFA. Unfortunately it failed (final tally 26/17/3). As a result of the concerns raised in my RFA, I intend to undergo coaching, get involved in the welcoming committee and try to further improve the quality of my contributions to AFD and RFA. All the best. Cynical 14:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Óengus I of the Picts

I have nominated Óengus I of the Picts for WP:FA status. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 04:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I need your help with User:Calgacus/David I.. I'm very unhappy with it, mostly because it is too long and I can't figure the best way to include the "Davidian reforms". I.e., at the end, where they are now, or integrated in the text on a chronological basis. Both seem to me imperfect. You're prolly getting impatient with it, as it has been there for months now. Do you think I should shorten it? Do you think it's too POV? Is it too heavily reliant on Oram etc? Any criticisms you have, please give them on User talk:Calgacus/David I.. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 15:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. How should I interpret your silence on the David I article btw? Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 02:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. I was thinking about moving the text there earlier. But I found another article on the BotS I wish to incorporate first. I'll try to get around to that as soon as I can. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 14:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Henry of Scotland

OK, problem. User:Mais Oui! Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon to Henry of Scotland. That isn't the problem. The problem is thatUser:Dimadick later in March converted the page Henry of Scotland] to a redirect and pasted the content into Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon. Because no-one at the time noticed, the latter has subsequently accrued a history, so that the article is functioning with two histories. What do you reckon I should do? Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 16:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Erlend Thorfinnsson

I made the move as requested, but this really needs to be expanded or it's in danger of deletion itself. Thanks. Chick Bowen 20:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm?

That may be so, but neither of those pages were attack pages. URNOBODY

Your opinion on mediating a dispute ...

I wonder if you grab your mediation boss's hat and skim over User:Angusmclellan/Jogaila mediation, my draft proposal for mediating a page-naming dispute. Is this something that would be accepted for mediation once the i's were dotted and the t's crossed ? Thanks a bunch in advance, Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Everything seems to be in order; I obviously don't comment on the merits of cases before they are filed, but as far as compliance with our format and the like, you have done very well. Essjay (Talk) 02:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Wodehouse quote

Ta Angus. --Mais oui! 08:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Shiny new buttons

Two weeks ago I couldn't even spell administratur and now I are one (in no small part thanks to your support). Now that I checked out those new buttons I realize that I can unleash mutant monsters on unsuspecting articles or summon batteries of laser guns in their defense. The move button has now acquired special powers, and there's even a feature to roll back time. With such awesome new powers at my fingertips I will try to tread lightly to avoid causing irreversible damage and getting into any wheel wars. Thanks again and let me know whenever I can be of use. ~ trialsanderrors 06:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Monifieth High School

Lacking in good faith? We-ell... you may be, but the fact that "Stonerface" answered my criticism of Manby by protesting that "I was not critisising him..." rather gave the game away in terms of his identity, I feel! <g> Loganberry (Talk) 01:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and cheers for reverting the vandalism on my user page. I feel like a proper Wikipedian now I've had that done to me! Loganberry (Talk) 02:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Ben More Assynt

Thanks for the Barn Star for the above article and the kind words. It is really appreciated. Regards Mick Knapton 15:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!

Thanks for the help with the Miles Franklin Primary School article, I appreciate it mate! Drizzt Jamo 04:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Perth

Just so you know, the reason for the unexpected appearance of a heap of links to Perth rather than Perth is the result of a new infobox template ({{Infobox Australian Place}}) - it's clearly been an unforeseen problem with its implementation. When it's fixed (I'd say sometime today) the problem should fix itself. There's 339 suburbs in Perth (Australia) of which probably about 1/3 are currently affected and another heap will be when the conversion bot goes through. Orderinchaos78 02:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion request

Since you expressed an opinion on Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Discuss and Vote, I would appreciate it if you could comment on WP:DDV, in particular as to whether it accurately represents the way Misplaced Pages works (and feel free to reword it if it doesn't) and as to whether it is correct that we generally discourage (but not forbid) voting. Thanks. (Radiant) 08:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

• Please do add your examples :) Page moves tend to boil down to the naming conventions, or to writing a new one if none apply; it shouldn't be necessary to vote about whether a particular instance meets the convention. Regarding your AFD suggestion, I think this is better done by cleaning up the (overly verbose) AFD page header. Sticking a note at the top of every single nomination is something the regulars will likely find annoying. What would also help is to create a template to say "you just referred to AFD as vote counting but it really isn't per so-and-so", to stick on people's talk pages. (Radiant) 12:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Formatting of new multilingual support templates

Why did you stick <big> on all of the multilingual support templates you created recently? It doesn't match the majority of the extant templates in that category. Mike Dillon 03:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Because I cut-n-pasted the format from one of the minority which did have the tags apparently. Ho hum. I'll fix them. Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool. I actually noticed after I made this note that it was only a few of the later ones that had <big>, not all of them, so hopefully it isn't much work to change them. Mike Dillon 14:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation page locations

About Emperor Alexander and a few others. As per Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation#Page_naming_conventions, disambiguation pages don't need the "(disambiguation)" in their title, so there is no need to move them. Thanks for your work in disambiguation :-)--Commander Keane 05:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Jogaila

Hi,

Thanks for your skillful copyediting of Jogaila. You even cleaned up an eyesore of a rush-job copyedit that I did. It had been bothering me for days, and I had been meaning to go back and improve it — but lo and behold, you had saved the day.

I do have a bone to pick with you, however.

I must dispute your removal of the reference to one of the truly significant battles in world history:

...the Principality of Moscow which managed to defeat the Golden Horse

I don't care about any stinking Golden Horde; it just sounds way cooler to fight a Golden Horse. ;-)

--Ling.Nut 12:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Cork → Cork (city) cleanup

Thanks, good offer! It'll be an hour or two though. --Spellmaster 19:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks again. --Spellmaster 19:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I did what I could. You could maybe see if there are stragglers, and/or pick up any mistakes I made. Thanks again --Guinnog 04:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC) (operator of Spellmaster)

Thanks, yet again, for your support on this issue. It is awfully reassuring that there are people looking over my shoulder who think what I did was a good thing. It was a lot of work, though I got to edit some interesting articles I wouldn't have seen otherwise. Do you know about Tanora, for example?! I also got to contemplate (at length) when choosing the link for ones that seemed ambiguous, the fact that Cork both is and isn't inside County Cork. Shades of Flann O'Brien!

I weakly disagree with you on the point you make about what Cork City should redirect to; perhaps ideally it should be to another dab page?! But I feel disinclined to argue the point, for now at least... Take care, --Guinnog 17:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

re talk

There is difference between holocaust denial and revisionism. Your notions are a POV reading of the Guardian article. I'll revert your changes. Please discuss these things beforehand next time. Intangible 21:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your point of reverting the Roeland Raes article is? You are making a positive claim. You should defend that first, before it can be included in that article, and a POV reading of a Guardian article is not a good defense. Intangible 21:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you provide some more context in the article? Asserting that someone is anti-semitic without explanation does not make for a good article. I'll change the first sentence too, because I'm not sure if Raes would agree with such a labeling. Intangible 15:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm was not suggesting that, but article of living people need to adhere to WP:BLP. "Biographies of living people should be written responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone." Intangible 15:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Invalid move request

Excuse me, but how is it an invalid move request? The move itself was invalid, flying in the face of the earlier failed move request, and lack of consensus.

Misplaced Pages may not be a democracy, but it is not a dictatorship.

zoney ♣ talk 22:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Links

I didn't intentional mean to take them off because someone took off the rest and left only one so i put back the rest wasn't sure if that was there before though. Nareklm 01:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Disrupting

Thanks for the info, Angus, but can you explain to me why my behaviour is considered "disrupting Misplaced Pages by creating dubious AfD nominations" when brianyoumans did the SAME for my entries Die Mannequin and Care Failure, i.e. he submitted those articles for deletion ONLY because I criticized the fact that he destroyed the other people's work by having hundreds of pages deleted (including a few that I had created) and that he seems proud of it. He was angry at my comment so he decided to submit the last two pages I had created for deletion! Why isn't he accused of "disrupting Misplaced Pages by creating dubious AfD nominations"? Why can't I do the same for his pages if he takes vengeance that way by trying to destroy the pages I create? To tell you the truth, I don't have time to lose destroying other peoples' work but I don't know what else I can do to stop people like Brianyoumans to destroy my work. Is there a place where I can complain about this guy and what he does without "disrupting Misplaced Pages"  ? Please help me! Terveetkadet

Thanks!

Thanks for the help! To tell you the truth, a few months ago, brianyoumans had about 4 or 5 pages that I had created, among them Days of Yore, Martin Giguere and Deimos, deleted. I was angry but did nothing. A few days ago, I saw it again and that's when I decided to check his user page and saw that he seems to take pride in having deleted hundreds of pages while he only created 7, as shown on his user page. That's when I decided to leave him a message to tell him what I think of what he does. And when he saw my message, he was angry and retaliated by submitting the last two pages I had created, i.e. Die Mannequin and Care Failure, for deletion! If he would drop his requests to delete those two pages, I'd gladly remove my requests too and stop fighting with him. I mind my own business on Misplaced Pages and don't destroy other people's work. I would appreciate if he did the same and I have a problem with people who take pride in deleting hundreds of page. Hope you understand my point! Terveetkadet

Eline Vlasblom

Interesting observation. I'll check out the links and relationships, to see if I can come up with any more stuff, and bundle a few nominations as appropriate. Ohconfucius 15:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Jagiello/... latin?

Isn't the Latin form of Jog/Wla's name "Jagello"? Where have you got "Jagailo"? Could you give its supposed etymology in/to Latin? And again, isn't it "Jagello", as I have read years and years ago, and which it seems to be in Italian here, at least. Shilkanni 02:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

(your answer was: from the styles given in the examples in Jogaila#As_monarch_of_Lithuania_before_religious_conversion)

Ah, the excerpts are victims of fluctuating writing in those decades. That source seems to have only one Latin excerpt of Jagello's letters, although there must have been plenty of them in various archives. I would not be surprised if monks have written the name in a different way in each different pergament, and sometimes in two different ways in one and same pergament.
However, are you refuting that the established Latin version of the name was "Jagello", which apparently became standard in Latin in the following couple of centuries, and has left its formulation actually in several Roman languahes (now that I went through several of them): French, Spanish, Italian, Romanian; as well as neighboring Czech and Hungarian, apparently. All those write it today "Jagell...", without -i-; and totally consistent with each other, which makes me think that it was the established Latin version before any of those other languages standardized their writing (as such "foreign" name has easiest come to each of those's writing through how late medieval Latin documents wrote it).
It will not be feasible to float around several Latin versions here, so what is your position now as to what is the Latin one, when you know the above and (hopefully) make your own survey over other languages and Latin sources that can be found. ? Shilkanni 10:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The authentic name in his lifetime very likely was pronounced in one way, not several; and there likely was not different versions of it for different languages; but scribes wrote it (its middle vowel) in slightly different ways, probably according to how the particular scribe had heard it. A proposition that the middle vowel(s) would have authentically been -ie- seems unlikely, because none of the excerpts show it or even anything close. The vowel appears to have been something that was easily heard or understood either -e- or -a- (could it have been -ä-?). Regarding "your" Jagailo, I am not much doubting that actually also it may have also existed in some original letter - we just seem not to have that letter's text here in our sources. And what is -ai- : it is actually something rather close with -e-, isn't it? Shilkanni 10:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

John Tyndall - anti-semitism

I have been searching for a reference (I know I read it when researching the history of the National Front) that says that Tyndall's main target was Jews, but in the climate of the 50s and 60s, so soon after the war, there was no way he could lead a political grouping openly espousing this. That's why he is "better known as a racist xenophobe". Like all of the neo-Nazi groups of the time, he latched onto race as an "easier" target, and wanted if he got to power to actually take on Jews. I'm afraid I can't track down the exact reference. However, regarding your pruning of the Category:Anti-Semitic people, that is a worthwhile task if it removes people who are only there because, for example, they are opposed to Israel's policies to the Palestinians or are anti-Zionists. Tyndall, however, was definitely anti-semitic. He was a leading member of the National Socialist Movement (slogan: Hitler was right). The first chairman of the NF resigned because he complained he had had enough "after four years of stamping out nonsense such as plots to set fir to synagogues". Tyndall's magazine Spearhead, kept the anti-semitism in the background so as not to appear openly fascist, but odd snippets slipped through (eg on the 1968 Czech resistance: "The razor sharp Hebrews who led the Czech revolt" and blaming the Middle East crisis on Henry Kissinger, not because he is American, but because he is a Jew). Finally, I would cite The Lie of the Six Million, published by Tyndall's associate and fellow NF activist, Robin Beauclair.

So I would most definitely categorise Tyndall as anti-semitic as well as neo-Nazi, fascist etc.

European Germanic...

I only added that Finland should be listed as one of the Scandinavian Germanic speaking nations/regions, Swedish is an official language in Finland and about 6 % in Finland have Swedish as their mother tongue.

Replied here, apologising for my mistake. The edit made perfect sense in hindsight. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

TV9

Yes, TV9 is a good stub now. Thanks for expanding it.--Grand Slam 7 23:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks from me as well

I thought that was a very good set of comments that you left on Terveetkadet's talk page. I went there to consider leaving him a comment, but I really couldn't have said it any better, and I'm glad you did it and not me.

I suppose it is a little strange to keep a list of deletions... On the other hand, it allows me to see immediately when one of them is recreated, which has happened at least once. And some of them I do feel proud to have gotten rid of. Others, like Terveetkadet's pages... It is kind of hard on someone to be told, "You think this is important, but we don't." But, having done editing semi-professionally for some years, I suppose I have a real belief that you need to tell people what is good and what is bad (or in this case, what is notable and what not) or otherwise they never learn and improve. And that is really doing them a dis-service. --Brianyoumans 06:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Television Schedules

Just thought you might want to be aware of the discussion already present here. Mister.Manticore 17:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Jack Spicer

I noticed your edit. My thought on the subject was that the duplicate page be deleted so that Jack Spicer (poet) could be returned there. Almost all of the links to Jack Spicer are for the poet. Did I go about this the wrong way? Jay32183 00:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and info

Hi Angus! Thanks for the help on Die Mannequin. user:brianyoumans finally decided to remove his nomination for Afd, which is good news, and when I saw it, I removed my nomination for Adamu Tesfaw cause that was the reason why I made it in the first place, to protest against him destroying my work. Now I'm happy and don't want anything to do with that crazy guy anymore. I was wondering if you could help me, though. I saw that you closed the Adamu Tesfaw debate when you saw that I removed my nomination. Can you do the same for Die Mannequin since brianyoumans also removed his nomination? And thanks again... You have been the person with the most common sense who commented on the die mannequin debate. Others like brianyoumans, demiurge (this one decided it was a good idea to destroy another of my articles today) or chubbles (even if he was on my side, somehow!) are so stuck up that's unbelievable! Ça doit être parce que tu parles français que tu es si sympa! Terveetkadet

Confey / Ceann-fuait

Hi there. I created the page for Battle of Confey, and I found a couple refs saying that Confey and Ceann-fuait were the same place, which makes sense, as they are similar words. Do you think you could give the page a look and see what you think? Thanks --AW 18:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and a thistle

I wasn't going to send thank-you cards, but the emotional impact of hitting WP:100 (and doing so unanimously!) changed my mind. So I appreciate your confidence in me, and hope you'll let me know if I can do anything for you in the future. Slainte mhath! -- nae'blis 22:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Oh, the humanity! I had my doubts about a second RfA, but even I couldn't have predicted the way it caught fire and inexorably drifted to the ground in flames, causing quite a stir on its way down. Still, it was encouraging to see the level of support and confidence. Thank you for yours, and I hope I'll still have it the next time around. Kafziel 13:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

RE:Jocelin

I am well. How are you these days? Thank you for your comments on Jocelin. BTW, you have a few of those good articles only within a few edits of FAs. Anyways, have you thought about nominating yourself as an admin? I ask because our articles need one, and I probably have too many enemies to put myself forward. But our articles do need an admin nevertheless, and you are the only person who could do it. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 04:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think you should consider it. It's really no big deal after the nomination, esp. for a user with your good character. All it means is you can do a few extra things. Like I said, I believe that the growing section of articles we happen to work on a lot need a user with admin abilities. To mention nothing else, there are the Pictish and Strathclyde kings you believe should be renamed. Anyways, yes. Malcolm III is one of the articles you should prolly consider being your next FA. And yes, I too have a bunch of articles (esp. the ones I did when I first started wiki) that badly need revisiting; I'm thinking here of the mormaer and Galloway articles. SitHMA also needs reworked on some minor points of content and on citations, though it's already an FA. I nominated Jocelin for FA btw; had to so it now because I'm going away on December 12, and thus after that point won't be able to address any issues that may or may not be brought up. Take care. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 06:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW, if you haven't done so already, I suggest you go to Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests to get a slot for Óengus I of the Picts appearance on the main page. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 06:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Breakfast at Tiffany's (play)

Hello, Angus! Thanks for your message. The article I created, Breakfast at Tiffany's (musical), already included all the data in the "play" article. I believe I correctly have redirected the original article, but you may want to double-check to be sure I did it properly. Many thanks! SFTVLGUY2 17:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Puzzle (album)

If you are keeping an eye on it and are actually using your watchlist I'm happy enough without protection. Did you by any chance try to alter the text in the box? The title should be any problem because all you have to do is hit the button, the title will go in the the subject line of the regular edit page that follows. - Mgm| 18:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Hoax articles

Misplaced Pages:Hoaxes says hoax articles cannot be speedily deleted. However, I will not remove your speedy tag. shotwell 20:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

panchakshari

Invasion of hyderabad shouldnt be marked as freedom fighter (India liberated Hyderabad after independence). I dont actually recall adding that part to the article either. I will remove it though.Bakaman 23:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I dont live in India and I dont follow cricket. Double whammy. I'll google him up and see what happens.Bakaman 00:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Curse of the Black Sox AFD

Might not have used the right tag, there was only one editor and the forward led to the 1919 World Series. It's really just doesn't deserve it's own article. It's related to the Black Sox Scandal. // Tecmobowl 01:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Scotland

Hey Angus, if you have time, check out the history and etymology sections of Scotland. Yeah, it's funny, but they had it as "A-Class". Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 08:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

• It certainly doesn't need statements like "the word Scotia was used by the Romans as the name of one of the tribes in what is now Scotland as early as the 1st Century". BTW, just to let you know, the Woolf Fortriu article was published in the SHR a few weeks ago, though MUSE hasn't got it online yet. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 14:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Lauro Nova

Yup, it was a redirect or delete. IMO the search term was not likely without knowing the modern name in this case so the redirect wasn't needed. Nuttah68 18:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

My bad, had Lauro/Laura in my thoughts and used the wrong db tag. Nuttah68 18:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Paparokan

Hey Angus,

Orhan Pamuk said that he never used the phrase "Turks killed Armenians." on a Turkish television(CNNTURK). Armenian genocide is an historical article and should not have to refer to present day talks. Kanal D - HaberYazar Orhan Pamuk "30 bin Kürt öldürüldü" sözü için merak edilen açıklamayı ... gibi "Biz şu kadar Ermeni öldürdük" demedim, soykırım sözcüğünü kullanmadım. ... www.kanald.com.tr/haber/guncel/2005.10.16/orhan.shtml

In English, Pamuk says "I did not say we killed that amount of Armeninas, I did not use the word genocide" as a translation of " "Biz şu kadar Ermeni öldürdük" demedim, soykırım sözcüğünü kullanmadım." demedim means "not say", and "öldürdük" means "kill". "kullanmadım" means "did not use" and "soykırım" means "genocide".

Joan of Arc

Thank you for your efforts at Joan of Arc. This IP fellow keeps trying to insert discredited information. I'm hoping you'll help revert this material. Voln 21:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Campion United

No problem with it being deleted if the criteria are that a team should be at level 11 or above. I only added it as it was a red link on a page about the structure of the lower leagues and I know the team. Xobxela 10:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Clement of Dunblane

Hey Angus. Me again. Can you do me band[REDACTED] a big favour and give Clement of Dunblane a copyedit. I'm personally happy with it, but as it's up for FA, it has to satisfiy a broad range of editorally tastes. I ask you because you are an experienced FA writer and are one of the few people who might be interested in reading about a medieval Scottish bishopric. Best regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 13:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a lot. It shouldn't need that much work now, but we'll have to see what Tony thinks. Anyways, have a good night. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 21:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

: Thank you very much for your copyediting. That means like 4 people have went over it, as well as myself. Now I'll just have to wait for Tony1 to tell us what he thinks; he's a pretty astute critic, and since so few are voting, it may be critical. Anyways, all the best. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 20:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I must confess I'm not that clear what you mean by ¶. :) I will presently do a short article on Ewen MacDougall (he can be renamed later pending more systematic coverage of these rulers on wiki) and await your reply. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 20:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I tried to implement your suggestions. I hope I succeeded. Please lemme know. Thank you for your help. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 22:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Additionally ... I think Wedale is covered by Stow; at some future date, an article can perhaps be written on the episcopal manor there; but unfortunately I don't have the info available atm to write that. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank User:Jaspe; if you think that's weird, check out ru:Список правителей королевства Островов; he's done practically every western ruler not covered by English wiki. BTW, are you satisfied with the Clement article now? Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Tony is happier now. He changed his vote, but I don't think tbh he's completely satisfied. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 09:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey again. I've sent you an email with a christmas present attached. ;) Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 00:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Mandats territoriaux

Yeh i think it is a good idea to merge the two topics as they are quite similar.

RBS

I don't think it is a good idea to create 2 articles- which would basically duplicate another, especially just so we can insert some words in a language spoken by less than 0.1% of the population. Calgus is bascially removig sourced material so he can have his Gaelic in at the top, which I consider to be vandalism. Astrotrain 21:26, 5 December 2006

• That's an incorrect and rather disingenuous summary of the situation, and I refer you to the talk page. Frankly, I'm not that fussed whether or not the Gaelic is there, but I'm not prepared to see the triumph of legal fictions over reality, nor to allow you to grind your anti-Gaelic axe against the will of the wiki community just because they have less will and persistence than yourself. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 22:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• His version says "The Royal Bank of Scotland (Scottish Gaelic: Banca Rìoghail na h-Alba) is an Edinburgh-based company founded in 1727. The organisation has grown into the banking and insurance holding company known as The Royal Bank of Scotland Group plc (RBS Group)." This is not true as the Royal Bank of Scotland PLC still exists as a fully owned subsidiary of the Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC. It is factually incorrect to state this. My version restored the truth, and Calgus is only reverting so he can keep his Gaelic in the first line, rather than the second para which was suggested by someone else. Astrotrain 21:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• • I would put the RBSG first, as this is the company quoted on the LSE, the lead in the infobox and logo, and the ultimate holding company, so a slight amendment to:

The Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC (LSE: RBS) is a banking and insurance holding company based in Edinburgh, Scotland. It can trace its origins to 1727 when the Royal Bank of Scotland Template:Lang-gd was founded by royal charter of King George I. Today the it is the largest banking and insurance group in Scotland, the second largest in the UK and Europe, and the fifth largest in the world by market capitalisation. Its shares have a primary listing on the London Stock Exchange.

The Royal Bank of Scotland PLC is the group's Scottish clearing bank and the second oldest bank in Scotland after the Bank of Scotland. The registered head office of the group and the clearing bank is located at St Andrew Square. In 2005, Queen Elizabeth II opened the bank's new head office building in Gogarburn, Edinburgh.

This seems more logical, as the Group traces its origins back to the Bank, and flows slightly better. What do you think? Astrotrain 22:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

User page rv

thanks for reverting the vandalism to my user page :) SMC 12:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Your input is requested

Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 15:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Impertient Question

I've been reading up on some articles you've been working on (Dál Riata is beautiful), and then running across your comments on deletions and on AIV and AN. You have 15,000+ edits. I'm wondering if you wouldn't want to be an admin? Would you accept a nomination? --Elaragirl 21:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

See! Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 21:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Incivility

It is a fact he has been blocked for incivility twice (although I understand the Tony's block was somewhat disputed). Nonetheless both of those cases are relativly recent - certainly more recent than many diffs he mentions in his RfC. Are you suggesting we should disregard all instances of disputed behaviour older then few months (weeks?)? This block is just one of many examples of a continuing trend - ArbCom comment and his RfC are much older, variou threads on ANI or mediations are both older and newer; trend is clear. PS. Yes, I agree this RfC is a good example of vexatious litigation (and no, I was not familiar with this term)... but based on my past RfC experiences even if the community condemns Ghirla it will have no effect - his own RfC certainly didn't.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  22:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

You forget to mention that these blocks were incited by your habitual forum shoping for blocks of your opponents on WP:ANI and were subsequently decried by the community as abuse. Do you understand that your tactics have been exposed? Do you intent to apologize for such undercarpet maneuvres or will you continue them in the future? --Ghirla 08:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Caledonia

Many thanks for your continued input on the Scotland page. I am on a steep learning curve here but I think we are making progress. I have no intention of making any further comment on the anonymous gripe (I wonder who?) but if you can see an signficant departures from the apporpriate style in the Geography section I'd be more than happy to attend to them. Ben MacDui (Talk) 09:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:Alaiza-err... whatever it's called

No problem. Axem Titanium 23:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Questions

What areas could be re-written, or removed from the article?? There do seem to be a few lengthy paragraphs! --SunStar Net 16:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that! --SunStar Net 16:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Your comments

I'd like to thank you for your comments regarding me, and for your support. I'm going to be on a two day wikibreak. As to our earlier conversation, while I can certainly understand your reluctance to get bothered with administrative crud, the current direction and state of affairs in some areas is becoming alarming. I will , as usual, continue to read your articles with interest. :) --Elaragirl 21:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciations

Problem is no one can understand IPA pronunciations except specialists in linguistics. Also, Seigenthaler is so widely mispronounced, by even Jimbo himself. German press refer to him as S-eye-genthaler since German norm is to pronounce it that way, even though SEE-genthaler does not. -- Fuzheado | Talk 23:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Burgfrieden

Hi Angusmclellan,

I noticed you linked articles to the Burgfrieden article I created today as I was about to do so myself. Well, thanks for doing so.

--Carabinieri 00:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. I noticed it when I was checking new pages, so I thought I'd have a look for things to link. It's subject I remember well from many years ago when I had to study the Weimar Republic. Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to Amiot

I do not think that changing content of page to disambiguation and clearing previous content of the page under AfD is a good step. I reverted your changes. If you wish to create a disambiguation for Amiot then move current page residing under this name to another one e.g. Amiot (car manufacturer). ≈Tulkolahten≈ 21:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

RE: consensus has not been reached yet. I moved Amiot to Amiot (car manufacturer) and I moved your content Amiot as disambig. ≈Tulkolahten≈ 21:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

So you can't replace content of article under AfD with something completely different when consensus hasn't been reached yet. I corrected AfD links. ≈Tulkolahten≈ 21:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Czech, mate?

Hey, if it's OK by you, I'd like to get the opinion of a more experienced admin than myself, just because there may be issues with preserving page histories. We're going to do this - I just want to get it right the first time. Thanks! | Mr. Darcy talk 02:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Rus' Khaganate

Thought you might be interested in this FAC. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

John Demartini bio page

Thanks for your feedback. I will rewrite the John Demartini article and repost it to Misplaced Pages. There are sufficient notable reasons for his inclusion.

Thanks Ramon

08:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Userproject:Conservatives

RE:

Where is this deletion page: Userproject:Conservatives that you mentioned? I want to nominate User:GabrielF/911TMCruft for deletion again, the first time, User talk:JzG incorrectly closed it snowball keep. Travb (talk) 23:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The conservatives thingy wasn't MfD'd, but deleted by acclamation following a discussion on AN. See Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive59. JzG said "the idea is fundamentally unsound". Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I know there are other AFDs too like this, if you know of any, let me know. Travb (talk) 23:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

"Shrubberies"

Hi. What did you mean by your shrubberies comment at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ignatz Lichtenstein (2nd nomination)? Just curious... --Dweller 13:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Its from the Rouge Admins page (WP:ROUGE), stolen from Monty Python and the Holy Grail (the Knights who say "Ni" bit). In that context, it refers to the habit of autobiographers, people writing about their favourite flash comic, and so on, of demanding that all the other non-notable stuff should be deleted, or else their stuff shouldn't be deleted. Well, just for a change, we are seeing shrubberies demanded by people who want to see something deleted. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I was about to ask the same thing. I knew the Python part. -- Kendrick7 04:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Legal organisations in Ireland and Britain

Hi there,

I created the Category:Legal organisations in Ireland and Britain and accept that it may sound like a "strange concept" as you called it. I felt that such a category was required, however, owing to the insistence by one contributer, User:Weggie that the organisation in question, the 32 County Sovereignty Movement, be cataloged according to the definition of one government authority, in this case the US State Department. By including the new category, I wanted to stress the fact that this organsation is not prohibited in Britain or Ireland and operates openly. I've reinserted the category.--Damac 09:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

spelling sorry again my fault want happend again just trying to help

Soccer club fine

There's nothing unusual about the Fijenoord fine. UEFA and national federations fine clubs, managers, and players, just about every week. José Mourinho is a good example: he was fined GBP 200,000 (300,000 US dollars/Euros) on one occasion in 2005, reduced on appeal to a mere 75 thousand, and again (amount not stated) earlier in the year. There's nothing new or exciting in Fijenoord being fined for fan misbehaviour. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

• I figured it wasn't uncommon, but I wanted to know why it was the club, rather than the 'supporter' that's being fined. The club did nothing wrong. - Mgm| 20:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Everything is going slow

Everything is going slow, edits are not appearing sometimes, and you can edit prior versions without getting stopped for edit conflicts. Paul Silverman 23:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Ceolwulf the Foolosh

Ceolwulf "the Foolish" is what he is called by the ancient sources, such as the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle - it is completely NPOV. He was most certainly never called Ceolwulf "II" which is a modern invention. Furthermore, he was not the last king of Mercia - Aethelred was. He was referred to as king in his charters, for example. It was only the West Saxons who called him an "ealdorman" (not earl, which is a Danish term). TharkunColl 15:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, to be even more picky, it was Edgar. Or perhaps even Canute, whilst Edmund Ironside was king of Wessex alone... TharkunColl 16:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Victor kadungure

The log said:

• 12:12, December 19, 2006 Edgar181 deleted "Victor kadungure" (WP:CSD#A7)

It was deleted, then recreated. That's why I nominated it for {{db-recreated}}. - CobaltBlueTony 19:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, well many admins may need a bit of a refresher, because I learned that by watching them. - CobaltBlueTony 14:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

About

Ok I will do that. Thank you. Reader freak 20:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Dragonfable

In Adventure Quest, the link that conects to Dragonfable(The one I edited.) is spelled DragonFable. There is already some info on Dragonfable(not the one I edited.). So if you can change the DragonFable to Dragonfable it would link to some information. I can not do this because my account is only 2 days old. Please do it for me. Thank you. Reader freak 01:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Áedán mac Gabráin

Great article!!! I would gladly support it as an FAC. Enjoy Scotland! Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 03:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Jurgen Schnake - Notability

Agree that he's not "notable" - please see discussion page before deleting if possible, as I would like some advice on best placement of the information if not on his own page. Thanks mah&#257;b&#257;la 10:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

Um... I gave you this Barnstar.

On offence, please feel free to turn me into an elephant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by E9 (talk • contribs).

Thanks very much, but you're far too kind. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Key Extracts

I have created a draft of ‘Key Extracts from the Talk: Scotland Archives’ here. My intention is to create something that could be used as a handy guide for new contributors to the Scotland article, which after appropriate discussion would be moved to a new page and referenced on the Talk:Scotland page in due course. I’d value your comments. Please feel free to direct other Scottish Wikipedians to it. Cc Users Mais Oui!, Calgacus, Globaltraveller, Angus Maclennan, Billreid, Canæn. A Merry Xmas to all. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:36, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Vacations

Thanks for your comment, but I have to refuse. After it's been pointed out to me that casting absurd accusations here and there is absolutely acceptable in Misplaced Pages, I finally decided to follow the same rule that has been applied by the others for more than a year now. If others can, then why not me? If Ghirla, Renata, M.K., Irpen, Juraune and other nationalists are allowed to accuse me of a zillion of things over and over again, without posting a single piece of evidence, then why am I not allowed to do the very same thing? Who cares for evidence in Misplaced Pages, after all... Also, I don't think Durova, who started her first contact ever with me with a series of unfounded accusations and offences, would be the best person to judge my case - whatever it is. But, as I said, thanks for your attention. //Halibutt 23:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)