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• In current from its a POV violation meant to give one sided view by partisan journalists meant to justify the murder.Most of the stories about the murder doesn't mention those issues --Shrike (talk) 15:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

The claim that only "jews" could visit the spring is simply not true as Israli Arab have every right to visit it--Shrike (talk) 15:24, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

You are not a reliable source. The reliable source cited says The landscaping and renovation work at about half of them has been completed, the dispossession made absolute, the Palestinians blocked from even approaching the springs and their lands. Other springs targeted by the settlers are in various stages of takeover. As far as the Haas article, you are approaching a BLP violation. Haas writing in Haaretz is a reliable source, and she directly relates the two topics together. You may not censor material you dislike on spurious grounds. The article was kept, cool. It will contain material that reliable sources find relevant, regardless of how it makes your feel. nableezy - 15:55, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

• Shrike, you can't have it both ways. Fiercely defending a stub that,-everyone in the know knows this - breaks wiki rules on notability, and then, try to keep it a murder-terrorist-trial stub by erasing the background and context of the murder that numerous RS provide. That is blatant political abuse of the encyclopedia, as even blind Freddy and his canine cobber can see. None of your objections have any purchase on policy. You assert Israeli Arabs can visit it (i.e. you admit that Palestinians who are not Israeli can't) - well, RS don't state that. It's a personal view.(b) that many Israeli sources reporting on this do not give relevant details (for the usual political reasons) does not mean that those which do provide the missing supplements can't be cited, either. That is not an argument at WP:RS. If editors persist in making stubs, as at the Death of Yehuda Shoham way back, then they must be aware that per NPOV, all sides of the incident will be covered per RS, and the ghastly skeleton will assume some documental flesh, and be more recognizable as a real tragedy, not as a sketchy obituary screaming for revenge against terrorists.Nishidani (talk) 17:19, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Can somebody explain why this material is again being removed without a single comment here? nableezy - 16:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, request seconded. The reverts a month ago were partial. These reverts, acquiescing in the superior judgment of a probable sock take out the lot. No explanation.Nishidani (talk) 16:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

This is directly related per a reliable source, WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:NPOV demand it be included. nableezy - 16:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Nableezy, because it's UNDUE. We have a background section on where the murder took place, we don't need an entire section about the whole spring issue, we have a biased article that discussed that elsewhere on wikipedia. Sir Joseph 16:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Undue based on what? The source directly relates the murder to the seizing of the spring by settlers. You cant just say I dont like that these things are related so it is undue. How is it undue when there is a reliable source directly tying the two things together? Here is the NYT tying the two together:

Springs on the West Bank have become flash points between Palestinians who bathe or water their flocks in them and Jewish settlers who have increasingly sought to prevent them from doing so. A 2012 United Nations report identified 30 springs that had been completely “taken over” by settlers and another 26, including Ein Bubin, that were “at risk” of takeover, whether by frequent tourism or by the presence of armed patrols seen as intimidating to Palestinians.

What is the basis for claiming this material is undue? nableezy - 16:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Nableezy, I'm not going to engage in sophistry with you. You know very well that Nishidani's edits to this page went well above a simple background section, into making it the focal point of the article. We already have an article that he created about the springs. Sir Joseph 16:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

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Ibn Daud

My revert was obligatory under two rules. (a) The anonymous editor had no right to edit this page under ARBPIA restrictions and (b) in any case it was reverting WP:VANDALISM - blow ins cannot just strike out significant sourced content without good reason, and this is all the more beholden on experienced editors. Neither should you second the abuse by redeleting- Neither of you have any talk page presence here.Nishidani (talk) 23:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

As both @Sir Joseph: and I have pointed out, the backround sectioned needed to be revised. It justifies the murder and demonstrates an obvious WP:POV. There is no reason to increase the page size with such a large and unnecessary background. Ibn Daud (talk) 16:15, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

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