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::::{{u|Ad Orientem}} I don't see that it's an opinion piece, in the byline or the URL. {{tq|Further Buzzfeed has been the subject of numerous discussions}} Note on RSN that Buzzfeed and Buzzfeednews have split. {{tq| to paint Carlson as an ally of these odious people}} But this is not what Carlson is saying, he is passive here, it's what someone else is saying about him. I would like you to explain to me {{tq|some of the most important policies and guidelines}} I have violated, when innumerable other characterizations have been made about innumerable other individuals in innumerable articles, but this particular one is deemed to cross the line. {{tq|causing me to question whether you should be editing sensitive/hot button topics like this}} is really quite a remark. ] (]) 00:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC) ::::{{u|Ad Orientem}} I don't see that it's an opinion piece, in the byline or the URL. {{tq|Further Buzzfeed has been the subject of numerous discussions}} Note on RSN that Buzzfeed and Buzzfeednews have split. {{tq| to paint Carlson as an ally of these odious people}} But this is not what Carlson is saying, he is passive here, it's what someone else is saying about him. I would like you to explain to me {{tq|some of the most important policies and guidelines}} I have violated, when innumerable other characterizations have been made about innumerable other individuals in innumerable articles, but this particular one is deemed to cross the line. {{tq|causing me to question whether you should be editing sensitive/hot button topics like this}} is really quite a remark. ] (]) 00:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
:::::I think this needs to handled at ANI. I am going to open the discussion directly. -] (]) 00:46, 9 July 2020 (UTC) :::::I think this needs to handled at ANI. I am going to open the discussion directly. -] (]) 00:46, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
::::::{{u|Ad Orientem}} I look forward to reading it. ] (]) 00:49, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

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Opening description not supported by referenced sources

The opening sentence of this article currently reads "The Daily Stormer is an American far-right neo-Nazi, white supremacist, and Holocaust denial commentary and message board website that advocates for the genocide of Jews." The first four references are news articles, all very openly highly critical of the daily stormer and it's creator, and despite that none of them contain any quotes or direct claims of genocide advocacy. Many may think this a miner discrepancy but I disagree. I think there is a very big difference between a message board whose members discuss violence as a method of achieving a goal that doesn't necessarily involve killing anyone vs a message board whose editorials advocate killing off as many members of a race/ethnicity as possible.

I think describing an articles subject as something presumably far worse than what the subject appears to actually be, and in the opening sentence, is a clear POV violation. It's also dishonest, whether or not intentionally. Darkestaxe (talk) 03:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Those newspapers are all considered to be wp:reliable sourcesm and we report what reliable sources say. That's not PoV, that's merely SOP. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

"BLP... UNDUE... NPOV etc"

Ad Orientem, please explain how each of those apply to this edit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=The_Daily_Stormer&diff=966749153&oldid=966747834

soibangla (talk) 23:56, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I was in the process of posting a formal caution on your talk page. But I will leave it here since you have opened this discussion. Please do not post quotes from fringe personages that have received scant attention in reliable secondary sources in a manner that is transparently intended to defame a prominent living person. This violates BLP, UNDUE and NPOV. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Ad Orientem, BuzzfeedNews is a RS. It is a direct quote from an individual who is confirming observations made by others, albeit in far more direct terms, such that it doesn't fall under Godwin's Law. It may be a disturbing quote for some, but there is no defamation made or intended here, and this is not Carlson's BLP. soibangla (talk) 00:11, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
soibangla first off the cited source is an op-ed piece that is intended as an attack on Carlson. It is not a story in a mainstream news outlet. Further Buzzfeed has been the subject of numerous discussions at WP:RSN with deep concerns found about it, though it has not yet been officially deprecated. Secondly, something that negative would need coverage from multiple reliable secondary sources. Third, it is intended both there and in your edit to paint Carlson as an ally of these odious people. Lastly, BLP does not apply just to articles about a person. It applies to the entire project including even talk page discussions. I am not sure which I find more disturbing, your naked attempt to associate Carlson with these people, or your apparent failure to understand some of the most important policies and guidelines in the project. That you don't grasp how egregious that edit was is causing me to question whether you should be editing sensitive/hot button topics like this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Ad Orientem I don't see that it's an opinion piece, in the byline or the URL. Further Buzzfeed has been the subject of numerous discussions Note on RSN that Buzzfeed and Buzzfeednews have split. to paint Carlson as an ally of these odious people But this is not what Carlson is saying, he is passive here, it's what someone else is saying about him. I would like you to explain to me some of the most important policies and guidelines I have violated, when innumerable other characterizations have been made about innumerable other individuals in innumerable articles, but this particular one is deemed to cross the line. causing me to question whether you should be editing sensitive/hot button topics like this is really quite a remark. soibangla (talk) 00:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
I think this needs to handled at ANI. I am going to open the discussion directly. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:46, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Ad Orientem I look forward to reading it. soibangla (talk) 00:49, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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