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| ::*I wasn’t beating pornbio, I was pointing out that nom’s track record includes targeting other AVN Hall of Famers and this has been a waste of everyone’s time and energy.{{pb}}Nom has been shown to utterly fail in looking for, and identifying sources, consistently. And when others do he typically builds walls of texts frustrating the entire process. It’s hard to continue to see their efforts as good faith concerns, or something else could be going on. In any case it’s wasting a lot of energy on the community to deal with. ] (]) 01:09, 1 August 2020 (UTC) | ::*I wasn’t beating pornbio, I was pointing out that nom’s track record includes targeting other AVN Hall of Famers and this has been a waste of everyone’s time and energy.{{pb}}Nom has been shown to utterly fail in looking for, and identifying sources, consistently. And when others do he typically builds walls of texts frustrating the entire process. It’s hard to continue to see their efforts as good faith concerns, or something else could be going on. In any case it’s wasting a lot of energy on the community to deal with. ] (]) 01:09, 1 August 2020 (UTC) | ||
| :::*AVN/GayVN Hall of Fame <u>is</u> an appeal to PORNBIO, and it does not count anymore. My observation of the nominator's track record is that more articles are getting deleted than kept. The last GayVN Hall of Fame member result was no consensus. One of the most recent AVN Hall of Fame members (Sharon Kane) was no consensus. Please argue the sources, policies and guidelines, not the nominator. ] (]) 06:11, 1 August 2020 (UTC) | :::*AVN/GayVN Hall of Fame <u>is</u> an appeal to PORNBIO, and it does not count anymore. My observation of the nominator's track record is that more articles are getting deleted than kept. The last GayVN Hall of Fame member result was no consensus. One of the most recent AVN Hall of Fame members (Sharon Kane) was no consensus. Please argue the sources, policies and guidelines, not the nominator. ] (]) 06:11, 1 August 2020 (UTC) | ||
| ::::*That anyone is able to delete crap articles is unsurprising and a red herring. The issue is not, or unable to look for and locate obvious sources, wasting the community’s energy.{{pb}}I was not appealing to pornbio even if you read it that way. Having said that, if one’s goal is to delete as many gay male porn bios as possible maybe avoid the ones who have the industry’s highest awards and focus on the rest. ] (]) 06:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC) | |||
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sources do not offer evidence of notability. further independent search didn't yield any better sources. AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:02, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep seems to pass WP:GNG and director of notable films Robot Holocaust and Breeders. Theroadislong (talk) 09:13, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 09:35, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 09:35, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep per Theroadislong. Can't say it reads terribly well, though. Skylar MacDonald (talk) 14:21, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, and Ugh! Here we go again nominating another AVN Hall of famer. Meets GNG, and this is undoubtedly another of noms less than stellar job at any semblance of following WP:Before and actually looking for sources. Gleeanon409 (talk) 10:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Gleeanon409: stop attacking me. I am tired of you. just talk about the subject. hall of fame means nothing, we need sources, if there are available sources to prove notability the article has to stay. this is it. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 13:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Gleeanon409: One more time, porn awards, including Hall of Fame, don't count towards notability without independent RS acknowledgement. That said, a Google Books search for Tim Kincaid/Joe Gage brings up some interesting hits. It would be more productive to identify the good sources than to beat the PORNBIO dead horse. • Gene93k (talk) 00:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- I wasn’t beating pornbio, I was pointing out that nom’s track record includes targeting other AVN Hall of Famers and this has been a waste of everyone’s time and energy.Nom has been shown to utterly fail in looking for, and identifying sources, consistently. And when others do he typically builds walls of texts frustrating the entire process. It’s hard to continue to see their efforts as good faith concerns, or something else could be going on. In any case it’s wasting a lot of energy on the community to deal with. Gleeanon409 (talk) 01:09, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- AVN/GayVN Hall of Fame is an appeal to PORNBIO, and it does not count anymore. My observation of the nominator's track record is that more articles are getting deleted than kept. The last GayVN Hall of Fame member result was no consensus. One of the most recent AVN Hall of Fame members (Sharon Kane) was no consensus. Please argue the sources, policies and guidelines, not the nominator. • Gene93k (talk) 06:11, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- That anyone is able to delete crap articles is unsurprising and a red herring. The issue is not, or unable to look for and locate obvious sources, wasting the community’s energy.I was not appealing to pornbio even if you read it that way. Having said that, if one’s goal is to delete as many gay male porn bios as possible maybe avoid the ones who have the industry’s highest awards and focus on the rest. Gleeanon409 (talk) 06:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:36, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:CREATIVE and possibly WP:BASIC. Despite the article's junk-quality references, this filmmaker's mainstream and porn work gets sufficient available RS coverage. Both the director and the film articles can be improved. • Gene93k (talk) 01:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)