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Right Angles / Paul Blanchard

Hello. Are you aware of https://www.right-angles.global/wikipedia-creation-rebuild/ which contains a link to a podcast interview you gave to Blanchard, the founder of Right Angles? Given your stance on undisclosed paid editing, I would imagine you wouldn't be happy about them using that to make it appear as if you support their services. SmartSE (talk) 15:53, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Smartse, "Our SEO specialists will build a personal page that references your achievements and activities and ultimately provides a complete and comprehensive profile."

For that statement alone, the company and its associates should be banned from all WMF properties. Guy (help!) 11:54, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

I concur. I mean we know for a fact that this has been the tactic of UPE at the lower end of the market and I'd suspected this at the higher end too. SmartSE (talk) 12:01, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jimmy,

I'd guess you know that there is news about Paul Blanchard going around that has a pretty ugly side, e.g. in The Times https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pr-guru-paul-blanchard-wasted-charity-money-and-failed-to-pay-his-staff-j7hnb2lcj# I'd link to a couple more critical stories, but I don't know if they are from reliable sources. One type of story in The Times and the others is something like selling knighthoods. Well not quite -that would be illegal. Rather he formats nomination forms, finds somebody to nominate the client (self noms are not allowed), lines up reference letters, contacts people in government about what to emphasize, or what's missing from the portfolio. Cost given as 80,000 pounds in one proposal, which was not accepted. If the stories are to be believed (and The Times is getting sued), it all seems pretty sleazy.

Given the controversy and the amount of news coming out, I'm sure we'll all be patient in getting your reply, but ultimately it would reassure everybody if you stated that you're not endorsing his Misplaced Pages paid editing service.

Smallbones_(smalltalk) 02:22, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello again Jimmy,

I've removed the stupid joke from the above message. Sorry about that.

I also listened to the full hour of the 2017 podcast - just to be sure - there is no mention by anybody there about paid editing, so the link on the paid editing website doesn't make any sense to me, except as a cheap shot hint that Blanchard knows you and that you haven't disapproved of his paid editing Misplaced Pages service. Of course I'd guess that you didn't even know that your photo and the link were in that webpage.

It is news IMHO that a paid editor with a somewhat disreputable reputation is using your name and image in his advertising. So there will likely be a brief mention in The Signpost about the incident (a paragraph or 3?). Just as a matter of checking all the needed boxes, do you have any comment on the inclusion of your name and photo on Blanchard's paid editing site? It might be easiest to answer here, but if you'd prefer, please email me. I'll send the question to the usual press contact address. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Smallbones, oh, this is the bloke that John Sweeney has been on about on Twitter, isn't it? What a thoroughly unpleasant person he seems to be. Guy (help!) 08:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Political implications of the Banach–Tarski paradox

Jimbo, is it possible that a fringe could in some cases have more area than the non-fringe area? EllenCT (talk) 17:51, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, as long as people believe in fairy tales. See also this debate. Count Iblis (talk) 06:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

@Count Iblis: we are skating on thin ice but if we weren't we couldn't do figures. EllenCT (talk) 02:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

The Banach-Tarski paradox arises in highly abstract forms of set theory, and has no political implications or relevance here. This sort of thread is not useful. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:35, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about the light-heartedness. I am trying to find the words to discuss certain subsets of areas in dispute. EllenCT (talk) 03:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedians who edit articles relating to China can be prosecuted by China

See here:

"The wording of the Hong Kong national security law asserts jurisdiction over people who are not residents of Hong Kong and have never even set foot there. This means anyone on Earth, regardless of nationality or location, can technically be deemed to have violated this law and face arrest and prosecution if they are in a Chinese jurisdiction, even for transit. Accused foreign nationals who don’t permanently reside in Hong Kong can be deported even before any trial or verdict.

Social media companies, for example, can be asked to remove content deemed unacceptable by the Chinese government, even if these were posted outside of Hong Kong or if the companies’ offices and servers are located in other countries." Count Iblis (talk) 02:49, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

How many years of hard labor would I get for the China paragraph in Streisand effect#In politics? If it's hard labor alongside Chinese people how do I get more? I hope the CPC isn't in league with the agency handling the Devin Nunes cow thing. EllenCT (talk) 20:32, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

The W?F has made a statement expressing concern about this new security law but fails to explain how they think this law will effect volunteers, let alone what the W?F plans to do to help volunteers with this. The previous two post in this thread explain the risks in better detail than that statement. (This concerns me because I have been working on some Chinese philosophy subjects off & on over the years; I don't appreciate being told what I can or cannot write thousands of miles away.) -- llywrch (talk) 23:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

children's rights

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hello mr Jimbo Wales I am an Iranian lawyer sending you a letter. Unfortunately, in the Persian Misplaced Pages, the pages related to suicide and suicide methods for children do not contain any warnings. After talking about this with the administrators of Farsi Misplaced Pages, they accused me of supporting censorship. I had a question for you. How to put an age limit mark on a box of movies, animations and computer games for children. But are suicide pages, suicide methods, and sex pages easily accessible to young children without the slightest warning?  Isn't this a gross violation of children's rights on the Internet? I urge the Wikimedia Foundation to investigate this to prevent harm to infants and children.

 thank you for your attention

Ali Naderi  An Iranian lawyer    Behrouz.lawyer (talk) 19:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)      

Hi, Behrouz.lawyer. I am not Jimbo (or a lawyer), but I had something to say. There actually is a warning: fa:ویکی‌پدیا:تکذیب‌نامهٔ_محتوا (see also the other disclaimers linked at the top of that page). I think the people at Farsi Misplaced Pages are essentially correct: we don't want to censor pages or arbitrarily chose what to warn readers about on each and every page. We don't have to do this, because the disclaimers I linked already apply to all pages and are linked from all pages. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:56, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Please see for context. Ed6767 talk! 22:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

hi Finnusertop (talk talk! I had a question for you. How to put an age limit mark on a box of movies, animations and computer games for children. But are suicide pages, suicide methods, and sex pages easily accessible to young children without the slightest warning? Isn't this a gross violation of children's rights on the Internet? Behrouz.lawyer (talk) 05:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Behrouz.lawyer, no. That's the responsibility of the parent to ensure their children do not come across that material. Misplaced Pages isn't a children's site, it's an encyclopedia. Now we should start tearing pages out of the dictionary that contains objectionable words because, my god, think of the children! Ed6767 talk! 14:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Just FYI, this user has been blocked and even got his right to edit on his own talk page revoked for constant harassment of users and threatening to sue Wikimedia for the excuse of child protection and put pressure on users by saying "I know a guy in the Iran's top courts, if you don't remove explicit content in Persian Misplaced Pages, it'll get blocked in Iran soon". The user explicitly said Persian Misplaced Pages should follow the Iran's law (not to mention how barbaric these laws are) Ladsgroup 15:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

talk!I asked Mr. Weles. Why do you intervene when you are not asked?Behrouz.lawyer (talk) 15:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Don't be rude, take your censorship ideas somewhere else. Gnosis (talk) 19:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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The "You can edit this page" section is misleading

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Could cause confusion to new users   ApChrKey   17:02, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

By the way, does he ever actually respond to these posts on the talk page?   ApChrKey   17:04, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Jimbo hasn't said anything here since 25 June, but he is not dead, at least according to his BLP article. BTW, it is his birthday tomorrow.--♦IanMacM♦ 17:22, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Here's the diff with explanation for the protection. You might try editing the page yourself to clarify. Bob K31416 (talk) 20:22, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

I do not approve of the maid costume. It does not sufficiently promote physical fitness. EllenCT (talk) 20:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Happy Birthday, Jimbo Wales, from the Misplaced Pages Birthday Committee! Have a nice day!--~SS49~ {talk} 11:09, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Have a very happy birthday on your special day!

Best wishes, CAPTAIN RAJU 21:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)