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	I am writing to greet you and to know how you are. I am quite well for now, torn between a thousand things in this pandemic period that I hope will soon end. Anyway, I am writing to ask you if you can help me improve this article, just and no more than 10 minutes of your precious time, of course if I can do something for you please ask. a greeting and see you soon.--] (]) 02:34, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
	*I added some more. Check the draft now. ] (]) 23:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

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	** Buongiorno! I am writing to thank you for your timely intervention. Can I afford to ask you for another small, nay, simple favor? Just and no more than 10 minutes of your precious time, this is ], the town where I operate on a tourist level. I ask you the courtesy of dedicating some of your time to repairing and improving the translation, especially on a historical level, and a few scattered details. Of course if I can do something for you you know where to find me, waiting to hear from you, thank you very much. Very courteous and valuable intervention from you. see you soon and thanks again.--] (]) 09:46, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

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	Hi Carlos. About the concerns raised by {{u\|Shahramrashidi}} at ] and ]: I think they are right that many the census entries are not actually villages. {{u\|3 kids in a trenchcoat}} put it well in ]: {{tq\|given that there are other "villages" listed in the same county with names translating to "gas station", "cement factory", and "peasant chicken slaughterhouse", it seems that the census takers were taking note of pretty much any building they came across}}. In the census spreadsheet, many such entries are marked with an asterisk, denoting a place with "less than 3 families". It seems clear that these not legally-recognised villages or even "settlements" in the ordinary sense, just isolated households. The two articles Shahram brought up, ] and ], translate to "Amalzadeh's Well No. 1" and "Colonel Behrmand's pump", so there is the additional problem that many of these articles could essentially giving the address of a ].

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	I think we will need to clean these up somehow, but given the volume, it would be much easier if you are willing to help? – ] <small>(])</small> 11:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
	: {{ping\|Joe Roe}} you are right completely and If you to transle all of them even their name is not village name. Also i can help in cleaning of them in order to credit of WP.] 12:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

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	* I think Carlossuarez46 made a big mistake creating these articles. Carlossuarez46 most probably cannot understand Persian, otherwise he wouldn't create these articles. I know that some Iranian users encouraged him, probably out of nationalistic sentiments. Unlike what User:3 kids in a trenchcoat told at ], the Iranain census does not designate such places as village ({{lang-fa\|روستا}}), but uses the generic term آبادی (''ābādi'', "developed"). The Persian term ''ābādi'' includes three items: 1) village; 2) farm; 3) place (such as gas stations, dairy farms, etc). According to ], only villages are notable, regardless of their population. BUT there is a big problem. There is no fast-and-hard rule to determine which ''ābādi'' is a village and which one is not. One cannot rely on census documents, as the work of the Iranian statistical center is based on ''ābādi''s, not villages. There are only villages in Iran, compared to ''ābādi''s. ] (]) 21:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
	:*Notability in FAWIKI is one thing, here it's different. ] shows legally recognized populated places are generally notable. There is no indication that anything is a "census tract" which is a small portion of a larger settlement. While, generally speaking, one may view publications from certain governmental units as not reliable; there is every indication that the Iranian census is of the reliable sort that we rely upon regularly at WP - they are better equipped to tell us how many people live in each of their places than anyone else. ] (]) 22:19, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
	::*Of course, the English Misplaced Pages can go its own way. But let me state some statistics for you, Carlossuarez46, and then you folks can make an informed decision. That's all I want, an ''informed'' decision.
	::*According to , there were 73,057 census tracts in the United States. The English Misplaced Pages correctly does not count census tracts notable. The US is at least 4 times more populous and 6 times vaster than Iran. But the number of ''ābādi''s in Iran are even greater than that of the United States (98,100>73,057) for a smaller, less populated, and less developed country. Is this logical? I would say, no. If US census tracts are not notable, ''a fortiori'', Iranian ''ābādi''s are not notable. ] (]) 23:10, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
	:::*{{ping\|4nn1l2}} First, I do have facility in reading Persian; thanks for asking - no one should expect anyone's username to mean language ability or not. You make an argument that the number of notable populous places is somehow proportionate to either land area or population. Do you have any reliable sources for that notion? I would suspect that countries in different places were settled differently at different times. The Old World tends to be settled more in little villages from its agrarian heritage, and horse-limited transport in antiquity; the concept of village is virtually unknown in the New World. Our settlements sprouted along rivers and railroads and were accordingly spaced out and concentrated. Take India for an example: the number of villages is somewhere north of 600,000 (); other estimates go up to a million. India's area is about 1/3 of the US's. India's population is 1.366 billion or 4 times the US. But when India had only about the US population today, in the ], the government recorded 558,089 villages. See page 41 of . That's 7.5X greater for a smaller, equally populated, and less developed country. That's villages. And, smaller still, there are hamlets which are also subjects of articles in all geographies; but suffice to say your argument is debunked. ] (]) 01:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
	:::::Thanks for the useful context {{u\|4nn1l2}}. Google Translate (I know, I know – but I'm not as linguistically gifted as Carlos) gives the "verified translation" of ''ābādi'' as "village", which I assumed is what led English-speaking editors to misunderstand the census data. However, if I understand correctly {{ping\|Carlossuarez46}}, you are saying that you ''do'' consider places like ] to be notable? I have trouble squaring that with ], which only presumes that {{tq\|populated, ''legally recognized'' places}} are notable, and that {{tq\|buildings, including private residences}} must show significant coverage. To clarify, are you opposing deletion of these articles? If so, where do we go from here? Maybe we need a discussion to establish which categories of ''ābādi'' can be considered notable on enwiki, as recently happened on fawiki? – ] <small>(])</small> 08:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
	::::::] is on a par with every other place reported in the source. That a few people live in something that sounds unlike a habitable place (which may be original research). We have plenty all over the place ] sounds like a boat, ] sounds like a market, ] sounds like a place where people sue each other, so we follow the sources. Under ], "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low." If the government of Iran recognizes this place, do a contrary source that they don't? ] (]) 19:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Sardkhaneh-ye Baradaran Padram

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Mass created article by C46, created based on the Iranian census, which includes places of business and geographical features as well as communities. The Farsi name of this article means literally "Pedram Brothers Mortuary", so it appears to be a place of business, not a village.

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