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| If you're interested in writing about community news for The Misplaced Pages Signpost, please contact me (on my talk page or via email, however you prefer) so we can coordinate our efforts. As editor, I would at the very least need to have an idea of what topic(s) you're covering. If you use the wiki to write drafts of a news story, please do this in your user space. --] 09:29, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| == Vandalism Removal == | |||
| ==What about ]?== | |||
| Will this duplicate what ] is supposed to do? Is there a need to have both? ]] 19:40, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| I've just found out that an IP ] me and another user from the list last month. Could we do something to prevent that? Thanks ] (]) 14:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :It probably does occupy much the same arena, but it's rather a different approach, particularly in providing prose instead of just links. Goings-on has increasingly deteriorated from the initial efforts, which were decently useful. Nowadays I think the people who still follow it must be disappointed with how little is there when they check. Anyway, I felt the concept needed to be reinvented rather than repaired. | |||
| :{{Ping|JPxG}} should be easy for an admin to change page privileges?? ☆ <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">]</span> (]) 19:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yeah, this is cooked. I do not see a single IP subscription in this whole list, which suggests there is no reason to not have it semiprotected -- have also taken the liberty of TE-move protecting it because inb4onwheels. <b style="font-family:monospace;color:#E35BD8">]×]]</b> 22:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Writer Request == | |||
| :I don't think both are needed, but I wasn't going to try to absorb Goings-on without establishing that this format is useful to people. If nobody objects, I suppose it can be redirected here instead after a little while. --] 20:45, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| I would like to help write stories for the Signpost as a official writer. Would that be possible. ] (]) 02:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::I agree, but the advantage of goings-on is that it is just one page. Will people still be able to get a sense of what is going on from just reading the headlines here? Perhaps that needs to be kept in mind when choosing the headlines so people who don't want to click the links can still remain reasonably informed. ]] 03:35, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Write something good and submit it. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. Voilà! ] (]) 03:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::If I have more time, in future issues I might try to put brief summaries below the headlines to improve that. I think the objective is to give enough information for people to figure out whether they want to know more, not to give so much information that there's nothing to be gained by following the link. Getting everything on one page is a hopeless proposition here. --] 04:14, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Last (12-12-24) issue was not announced == | |||
| ::Goings on has been slowing down a bit. Once the signpost is established, most of the content of goings-on could be made into a column, a sort of police blotter with the new admins and such. If that was to be done, there would have to be a formal spot for ongoing contributions, not individual's user spaces as you mention above. {{User:Brockert/sig}} 01:05, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Or at least, not through MassMessage. Was that intentional? — ] ] 15:07, 15 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::For smaller bits of information, rather than people working on drafts of articles, it would probably make sense to set up a place where people just leave a note about some particular news item, like new admins. Then the reporters can work it into articles for publication. How about ]? --] 03:03, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :@] it was announced, ]. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 15:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Probably because I ask for it interwiki, at enws. Seems that all users of ] did not get it (). — ] ] 15:44, 15 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Reply button is not working == | |||
| :Ironically, I only found out about the Signpost from the Goings-on article :) --] 04:03, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| While readinga signpost i tried to reply to a comment showing below the page but the button gave me error said | |||
| :: As did I. Perhaps goings-on would be best refactored as a summary of the Signpost, with or without the blotter. {{User:Brockert/sig}} 05:22, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| " Could not find the comment you're replying to on the page" | |||
| ] (]) 09:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|R1F4T}} - try it now. If you are on the article page, click on the talk tab and then the "edit" or "+" links on the top line. This should work automatically every time, but I think sometimes for the first comment a bit of code gets accidentally removed in the prepublication process (and then it should be just like creating any other talk page). Maybe if the comment was removed while you were typing, you'd get messed up. Maybe if you are commenting on an old article, something different might be happening. ]<sub>(])</sub> <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added 19:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)</small> | |||
| ::Very belatedly redoing ping to {{ping|R1F4T}} ... ] (]) 15:14, 15 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Single-page edition is broken == | |||
| :::I don't think this reflects that Goings-on provides any significant usefulness that can't be handled between the Signpost and the Announcements page. And of course people found out about the Signpost there, because they can hardly have developed a habit of going to the Signpost for news when it didn't exist yet. I think the response suggests habits will change pretty quickly, but I'm not necessarily trying to kill Goings-on, I just think it makes sense to let it die. --] 19:18, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ] is nearly empty, and ] shows the list of stories (slightly broken) but not the stories itself. {{ping|JPxG}} can you take a look? ] (]) <small>(please use ]!)</small> 08:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ==Congratulations== | |||
| Congratulations. A great idea implemented well. Misplaced Pages has got to big to keep up with, without wasting too much time looking. I'd be interested in writing the occasional article. :] 20:13, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :In bed but I think it is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2025-01-15/Op-ed -- throwing a ref error is what the single page says. Try <pre>intitle:"Signpost/2025-01-15" insource:/\<ref/</pre> to find ref tags in articles ? I would appreciatr someone helping eith this. <b style="font-family:monospace;color:#E35BD8">]×]]</b> 08:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :Congratulations from me as well. I expect to be an avid reader.-] 21:23, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::ohhhh i bet its the CALCULATORS. well ok here are the pagesizes | |||
| ::* {{PAGESIZE:Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2025-01-15/From the editors}} From the editors | |||
| ::My congratulations too -- I really enjoy this, and look forward to seeing it develop. I'll keep my eyes open for things I can contribute. ]\<sup>]</sup> 07:37, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::* {{PAGESIZE:Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2025-01-15/Traffic report}} Traffic report | |||
| ::* {{PAGESIZE:Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2025-01-15/In the media}} In the media | |||
| ::: Congratulations from me too. I look forward to contributing sometimes. Are we to go all the way with a gossip column, small ads and a letters page??? ] 08:33, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::* {{PAGESIZE:Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2025-01-15/Technology report}} Technology report | |||
| ::* {{PAGESIZE:Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2025-01-15/Essay}} Essay | |||
| ::::Want to make Misplaced Pages wealthy? Start this: ], and charge $4.99 to be listed. ] 21:15, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::* {{PAGESIZE:Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2025-01-15/Opinion}} Opinion | |||
| ::* {{PAGESIZE:Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2025-01-15/News and notes}} News and notes | |||
| Let me add to the chorus; I enjoyed reading this, and it was very well done. ] | ] 21:45, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::* {{PAGESIZE:Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2025-01-15/Serendipity}} Serendipity | |||
| ::* {{PAGESIZE:Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2025-01-15/Op-ed}} Op-ed | |||
| This is cool :) ] 00:12, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::* {{PAGESIZE:Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2025-01-15/In focus}} In focus | |||
| ::* {{PAGESIZE:Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2025-01-15/Arbitration report}} Arbitration report | |||
| Yes very useful, well done. ] ] 19:26, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::* {{PAGESIZE:Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2025-01-15/Humour}} Humour | |||
| ::<b style="font-family:monospace;color:#E35BD8">]×]]</b> 08:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ==Images== | |||
| :::Okay, God knows what is actually wrong -- I am severely in need of going back to bed -- but I have gotten some grotesque trailer-park hack to work so that people can, at least, read a working single-page edition for these first few hours. This should be diagnosed and fixed when I wake up. Thanks to {{ping|Tamzin}} for figuring out that just transclusing the articles directly worked... <b style="font-family:monospace;color:#E35BD8">]×]]</b> 08:50, 15 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| I think the images would look better in an antialiased form, rather than one bit representations they are now. {{User:Brockert/sig}} 01:05, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Thank you! ] (]) <small>(please use ]!)</small> 09:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Looks like the original version of the single page edition works now, but <code>Post‐expand include size: 2003573/2097152 bytes</code> is really close to the limit. You are probably right that the calculator examples take up quite a bit of that limit (The calculator article is 892980 / 2097152 bytes which is 43% of that limit). ] (]) 12:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :They're just thrown together on short notice with Paint and the best font I could come up with that had the suitable Gothic-typeface newspaper-masthead feel to it. I would be grateful to anyone who has the capability to improve them. --] 03:03, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Possibly unrelated to the above, I cleaned up some mismatched block and article start/end tags that were causing some of the articles to be too narrow in the single-page edition. A check for matching start/end templates could go on the publication checklist. – ] (]) 18:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::Blankfaze made a new one, which looks good to me. Now, if he'll do ]... {{User:Brockert/sig}} 22:26, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::Done, ], There's also ] as transparent, but it looks weird with the Monobook skin because of the way section title lines are rendered :/ ]~] 00:19, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Good job! ] 05:47, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Remarks == | |||
| Hello. I think such a newspaper on Misplaced Pages is very usefull (mostly for those who don't stick everyday on it but want to stay in touch with the project). I don't know how you will handle archives but it could be interesting to keep old articles somewhere. I would say that, for each link on articles in the main page, one should be able to know a little more on the article : when was it written and what it the real topic. Don't forget that wp is read by a worldwide audience and your English must be "simple" (I know, "simple" prose is harder to write, takes more time, but it worth the effort : it is often the way to write beautiful prose, here I don't criticise those clear and precise article bodies, but their headers, cause I had to follow links to ensure I understood the topic). One more : I often use the "status bar" to check what is linking to what, so I would like the articles' filenames not to be obscure acronyms. I guess a date of publication plus a keyword or two could be better. Anyway, nice idea and nice work. I'm often completely lost in what is "going-on" in wp, what are the major changes and events. Here, I will find this info. ] 05:15, 2005 Jan 11 (UTC) | |||
| == Excellent work, Michael == | |||
| When I saw the announcement of this project I was slightly sceptical that there was a niche for it. The depth and quality of your writing proved me completely wrong. I really like it (and not just because you chose to quote me in one of the articles :). Minor suggestions only- | |||
| :When coming up with ideas of how best to integrate (if at all) goings-on and the signpost, please also consider the future of ] which itself has died off since goings-on got started. | |||
| :For maintenance purposes consider using a subpage of form SignPost/Issue Number X/Article title rather than the current SignPost/Article title. | |||
| ] ] 12:21, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Yes, I've thought about what role the Announcements page might have as well. Brockert above mentioned the issue of ongoing things like new admins, which currently is hosted at Goings-on. I'm wondering if that kind of material (i.e. terse administrative announcements that don't really have a news story behind them) might be moved back to Announcements, while the Signpost takes over the news-report functionality from Goings-on, which could then be retired from service. | |||
| :A proper scheme for organizing and naming the subpages has yet to be determined, but I do anticipate archiving by each issue, possibly in a manner similar to your suggestion. --] 20:06, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::Agree totally with Pcb21. I also was sceptical at first, but now I think it is great! Well Done! -- ] ] 04:29, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| =="News update" approach== | |||
| Hi, thank you for initiating this valuable project. | |||
| Regarding the formt, I think it might be easier to maintain the page if you | |||
| *date all the headlines, | |||
| *list them chronologically, and | |||
| *give each item some key words or categories - "technical," "dispute resolution," "policies and guidelines," etc. | |||
| That would way, you do not have to think hard about which story to keep/remove, etc. ](now retired) and ] are basically organized in that way (though not using any subpage because reports are shorter). | |||
| ] 08:15, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :In terms of the date, it's on the page itself below the logo, in the right-hand margin. The same date applies to all headlines, and the stories themselves are dated in the bylines, so chronology is less of an issue. Granted, the news items themselves happen at different times, but some happen over the course of days, so I'm not going to try and organize by which came first. Stories will be rotated by moving ''all'' of the current stories to an archive when a new issue is published. --] 17:05, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Interlingual matters== | |||
| I have been reporting news from meta, mailinglists, other projects, and IRC for Japanese Misplaced Pages for a long time. I might bring some of the news stories to here when it is also relevant to English Misplaced Pages community. | |||
| I would also perhaps report what's reported here to Japanese Misplaced Pages, because I certainly see some are of interests of Japanese Wikipedians. | |||
| I also recall that German Misplaced Pages has its own community paper with some humor bent. | |||
| ] 08:15, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == archive of older issues == | |||
| It would be nice to have a direct link to older issues on the article-page. It is possible to use the history of course, but that's not very comfortable. --] 12:57, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I've now organized the last issue into an archive at ] and linked it on the page. Sorry about the delay, my immediate priority was getting the new issue up, and the technical problems haven't been making this project terribly easy. --] 20:08, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Comments == | |||
| Do you want article-specific comments on their respective talk pages, on an issue-specific talk page, or here? {{User:Brockert/sig}} 04:07, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :On their talk pages is great, I do watch the articles for the week until they get archived. This page can be for discussion about the newspaper in general. --] 07:11, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Signpost Found== | |||
| I stumbled onto Signpost today (I must have missed the memo) and how very nice it is. For the casual user (vs Wikiholic) it provides concise info about goings-on that "Goings-On" lacked. I feel more like an "insider" without having to expend my energy/time for example on arbitration pages. I like your NPOV editorial style - it reads very much like a newspaper. Well done and thank you. ] ] 23:41, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks also from me. After being away for a few weeks, it was the easiest way to catch up on WikiHappenings, and it's very well written. Cheers! ] 14:17, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC) | |||
| What they said. Thanks. ] 14:39, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Volumes? == | |||
| So far, we are at volume I issue V. How large will the volumes be, out of curiosity (OK yes, I am really bored ATM) - ] 04:24, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *Presumably the volume will change with the year. ] 04:38, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == wow == | |||
| Michael I just want to say that your neutral writing is ''excellent''. --] 17:40, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC) | |||
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Vandalism Removal
I've just found out that an IP removed me and another user from the list last month. Could we do something to prevent that? Thanks Nobody (talk) 14:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- @JPxG: should be easy for an admin to change page privileges?? ☆ Bri (talk) 19:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, this is cooked. I do not see a single IP subscription in this whole list, which suggests there is no reason to not have it semiprotected -- have also taken the liberty of TE-move protecting it because inb4onwheels. jp×g🗯️ 22:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Writer Request
I would like to help write stories for the Signpost as a official writer. Would that be possible. WikiEditor5678910 (talk) 02:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Write something good and submit it. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. Voilà! Carrite (talk) 03:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Last (12-12-24) issue was not announced
Or at least, not through MassMessage. Was that intentional? — Alien 3
3 3 15:07, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Alien333 it was announced, for me at least. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 15:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Probably because I ask for it interwiki, at enws. Seems that all users of the interwiki list did not get it (random example). — Alien 3
3 3 15:44, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Probably because I ask for it interwiki, at enws. Seems that all users of the interwiki list did not get it (random example). — Alien 3
Reply button is not working
While readinga signpost i tried to reply to a comment showing below the page but the button gave me error said " Could not find the comment you're replying to on the page" R1F4T (talk) 09:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- @R1F4T: - try it now. If you are on the article page, click on the talk tab and then the "edit" or "+" links on the top line. This should work automatically every time, but I think sometimes for the first comment a bit of code gets accidentally removed in the prepublication process (and then it should be just like creating any other talk page). Maybe if the comment was removed while you were typing, you'd get messed up. Maybe if you are commenting on an old article, something different might be happening. Smallbones(smalltalk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Very belatedly redoing ping to @R1F4T: ... Graham87 (talk) 15:14, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Single-page edition is broken
Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/Single/2025-01-15 is nearly empty, and Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/Single shows the list of stories (slightly broken) but not the stories itself. @JPxG: can you take a look? FunIsOptional (talk) (please use ping!) 08:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- In bed but I think it is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2025-01-15/Op-ed -- throwing a ref error is what the single page says. Try
intitle:"Signpost/2025-01-15" insource:/\<ref/
to find ref tags in articles ? I would appreciatr someone helping eith this. jp×g🗯️ 08:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)- ohhhh i bet its the CALCULATORS. well ok here are the pagesizes
- 3,423 From the editors
- 84,210 Traffic report
- 18,148 In the media
- 27,219 Technology report
- 5,495 Essay
- 8,006 Opinion
- 16,051 News and notes
- 11,154 Serendipity
- 19,101 Op-ed
- 16,376 In focus
- 5,760 Arbitration report
- 4,172 Humour
- jp×g🗯️ 08:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, God knows what is actually wrong -- I am severely in need of going back to bed -- but I have gotten some grotesque trailer-park hack to work so that people can, at least, read a working single-page edition for these first few hours. This should be diagnosed and fixed when I wake up. Thanks to @Tamzin: for figuring out that just transclusing the articles directly worked... jp×g🗯️ 08:50, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! FunIsOptional (talk) (please use ping!) 09:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Looks like the original version of the single page edition works now, but
Post‐expand include size: 2003573/2097152 bytesis really close to the limit. You are probably right that the calculator examples take up quite a bit of that limit (The calculator article is 892980 / 2097152 bytes which is 43% of that limit). Bawolff (talk) 12:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, God knows what is actually wrong -- I am severely in need of going back to bed -- but I have gotten some grotesque trailer-park hack to work so that people can, at least, read a working single-page edition for these first few hours. This should be diagnosed and fixed when I wake up. Thanks to @Tamzin: for figuring out that just transclusing the articles directly worked... jp×g🗯️ 08:50, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- ohhhh i bet its the CALCULATORS. well ok here are the pagesizes
Possibly unrelated to the above, I cleaned up some mismatched block and article start/end tags that were causing some of the articles to be too narrow in the single-page edition. A check for matching start/end templates could go on the publication checklist. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)