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Template spam reform idea

Hi there Sdkb, I'm toying with a proposal to reduce template spam, which perhaps you could comment on. My idea is that any template includes "discuss the issue" or "Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page" can be removed by any editor, if there was never a discussion begun on the talk page about such issues. In my mind, other editors can't be expected to read the mind of drive-by templaters, and it's not their responsibility to do so. Additionally, if the templater can't be bothered to even give one sentence on the talk page, that's on them.

I've found myself frequently removing templates undersuch rationales, see here most recently.

Examples of such templates include {{Original research}} & {{Too few opinions}}, among many others. How does it sound? Aza24 (talk) 16:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, I just saw a comment from you a few years back at Template talk:GANotice#Linking to the assessment subpage. I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but given that we have a new bot & operator, perhaps this could be easily implemented now. Aza24 (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Aza24! So sorry for the delayed reply here! On template spam, I think such reform would have to be worded carefully. For some maintenance templates, the issue is fairly obvious to any other experienced editor, so a message on the talk page wouldn't add much additional information. If anyone doesn't understand why a template was added, I think they should always be free to remove it, but I wouldn't want any reform to give carte blanche permission for people to start going around removing maintenance templates en masse/semi-automated, since my sense is that most such templates tend to point to valid issues. The more common cause of template spam that I come across is that an article is tagged with both major and minor issues, and the minor issues add up to spam. One way to try to address that would be to try come up with pairs of related maintenance templates, where we can agree that if an article is tagged with one, that covers the other, making it unneeded. The secondary one could then be removed through an AWB task.

I think I also have a slightly different philosophical view about the level of responsibility taggers have. When one comes across a deficiency in an article, we could say the three actions available are just tagging it, tagging and adding a talk page message, and directly resolving it. Directly resolving it (presuming one has the skills to do so) is obviously the best but also most time-consuming option. Adding a maintenance tag, on the other hand, does less to help but is super quick. They're therefore often used when someone notices an issue but isn't invested enough in the article (or just doesn't have the time) to actually resolve it. Requiring that maintenance tags always be accompanied with a talk page message, which has to be composed by hand, would substantially increase the time it takes to add them, and therefore might push some editors to just not bother and leave the article untagged.

The last thing that comes to mind on the template spam issue is that we need to do a better job specializing our messaging for readers vs. editors. Deficiencies like insufficient references are relevant for readers and properly belong as a notice for them on the article, but a lot of yellow-colored (style issue) maintenance tags are not, and are relevant only for editors. Those would more properly be displayed in editnotices rather than banners. We already recognize this issue a little bit in e.g. {{Orphan}} not displaying after a few months, but if I was going to get more involved in this area, converting some banners to a new type of editnotice (and having tools like Twinkle be able to handle this, which might be difficult given the current template-protection editnotices need to have for technical reasons) would be an initiative I'd take on.

Cheers, Sdkb  17:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

And regarding {{GANotice}}, I was referring to the fact that many forms of the notice currently don't link to the specific nomination page for the GA, e.g. Talk:F. Andrieu/GA1. It looks like there is a parameter that allows for that in some (it seems not all?) forms of the notice, but in practice it seems never to be used (or at least didn't at the time I wrote that message) because the notice is typically delivered by bot.

I think it might be possible to create a template that takes as input an article and returns the link to the GA nomination page where it passed, but it might be easier to address on the bot operator's side. Feel free to ping the new operator and perhaps they can look into it!

Cheers, Sdkb  18:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Germitage (01:55, 25 October 2024)

I am glad to have a mentor, and hope you're not an AI. I was reading the[REDACTED] article on Alfred Orage, and found a few items in the article that I thought I could illuminate with material from my own library and researches. It was surprising how many paths that led me down, and the limitations that Google search still has (i.e., I was able to find information it had not incorporated into its dataset, and I'm by no means a search expert.) Anyway, I added my discoveries to the best of my ability to the Talk page for this article. I don't like to concept of me being able to edit an article live any more than I think a writer should be published just because he wants to be. I am hoping that my information makes for a more accurate and interesting article. Incidentally, in the box at the beginning about improving the article it suggests that a photo be added, but the article does have one...can I suggest that suggestion be corrected? Well, thanks for reading this if you have and please feel free to write me back at any time. Germitage --Germitage (talk) 01:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Germitage! I'm not an AI (at least that I'm aware...). Thanks for contributing your knowledge to Talk:Alfred Richard Orage and hope you stick around to make more contributions elsewhere!

I've removed the image request from the talk page. It was asking for a freely licensed image, whereas the one there now is fair use, but for a historical figure it's unlikely that anyone will be able to fulfill such a request (you can't go take a picture of a deceased person the same way you can a building...) so it wasn't doing much good.

Regarding the information about him, Misplaced Pages foundationally aims to be a tertiary source compiling the information found in secondary sources like newspapers and books. As such, we do not accept original research that has not been published elsewhere. That may somewhat limit what would be appropriate to contribute to the article at this point. But to the extent you can find sources that back up the information you'd like to add, we encourage you to be bold and add it! That article is currently assessed as C-class, so there is lots of room for improvement!

Cheers, Sdkb  03:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for your helpful information. I think I can document all the comments I made in the talk page from published (even if not easily available) sources. The main thing I worry about is "where to stop" :)

For instance, the article mentions that Orage's gravestone has an Enneagram on it. I found three sources that confirm that: a mention of it in his biography, a description of the gravestone from the website of the churchyard where he's buried, showing a drawing of the enneagram, and a photo of the gravestone found on a site called findagrave.com. It seems like overkill to provide all those sources, but I don't have any reason to include one than another. I don't even know if it's permitted to include the findagrave link.

Also, the current text states that his disciples paid for the creation of the gravestone, but none of my sources corroborate that.

Anyway, I feel a little guilty to include all this, but since you answered my last question, I thought I'd ask this.

Maybe I should just go ahead and put all the stuff I found into the appropriate places in the article, and see what other editors decide is appropriate. I am perfectly willing to accept the decision of editors; in any case, I assume all my wonderful work, even if not used, will always be stashed away in the talk page. Germitage (talk) 05:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Germitage, good questions! First, on "where to stop", the guiding principles for what information to include or not include in an article are WP:DUEWEIGHT and WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. Basically, information that has been discussed by reliable sources can be included in a concise manner. The definition of a reliable source can be complex, but Find A Grave would not be considered reliable because it contains user-generated content. In general, I would include only the highest-quality source(s) for a piece of information that are available — the goal is always to ensure that facts are verifiable, so if e.g. there's an NYT feature available, no need to include anything else.

Regarding the current text, is there a citation for that fact? If so, you can check whether it corroborates it. If so, we're good. If there is but it doesn't, you could add the {{failed verification}} tag to the sentence (let me know if you need help doing so) or just remove the fact entirely if you suspect it is false. If there's no citation, the typical steps are to either remove it (again, best to do this when you suspect it's false) or tag it with {{citation needed}} (although in this case, I wouldn't do that since the orange tag at the top of the article covers that, and we don't want to tag bomb).

Regarding the last question, yes, I'd definitely encourage you to be bold and edit the article directly! The revision history is stored permanently, so if you accidentally mess anything up it'll be easy for others to fix it.

Cheers, Sdkb  21:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Per capita

Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Per capita has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Administrator election votes

Hi talk page stalkers! I'm casting my votes in the administrator elections, and in the spirit of Wikipedian transparency (and experimenting with RfA dynamics) I figured I'd disclose how I'm voting.

Some process notes: I spent roughly 1-2 hr. making my choices. I relied on a mixture of information in candidate guides, the statements/questions/discussion on nomination pages, and (in a few cases) my own impressions of the candidate from past interactions. If you do the math with the timing, you'll see that it doesn't work out to much time per candidate, so in some cases snap judgements/cursory looks were involved. Therefore, no one should take my choices to carry much weight as an (anti-)endorsement (unlike my normal RfA !votes, where I tend not to weigh in unless I have a strong view I'll stand behind). I chose not to make any abstentions, since (unlike RfA neutrals) those don't have any impact.

Overall, I think I was somewhat tougher than I would be at a normal RfA, both to compensate for the fact that they are receiving less scrutiny than normal candidates (and thus small observed issues may hint at larger missed ones) and because the culture of AEC seems to involve fewer nominators who might have caught issues in vetting. (Some advice for candidates: Run with nominators! Their endorsement will help you, and you'll avoid giving the impression that you don't have them because no one was willing.) Some issues that I'd probably have been able to overlook at a normal RfA, such as a lack of quality content nominations, therefore became WP:NOTQUITEYET dealbreakers here.

If anyone wants to know why I voted a particular way on a particular candidate, I'll be happy to discuss if I can remember. I'm also open to being persuaded if anyone wants to convince me I'm wrong about a candidate and should revote (I view dialogue with you all, who I probably trust more than the average Wikipedian, as a step in the process to help me catch instances where I might be voting differently than I would had I done more thorough vetting). With that preamble done, my votes:

Lastly, one overall impression about the process: While I appreciate that the random sorting helped avoid any undue scrutiny of candidates based on alphabetical order of usernames, it made it quite a bit harder to match everyone up with the voter guides/nomination pages as I was going through them. I hope that we'll find a way to make this easier if we do this again.

Cheers, Sdkb  05:21, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate the transparency :) There's a few where we voted differently, but nothing I feel like I need to argue with you over. As to your last point: I'd prefer an alphabetical listing where the starting point is random (so every candidate shows up at the top the same number of times, but it's not too hard to correlate to an actual alphabetical list elsewhere). Elli (talk | contribs) 05:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

That's a good idea! Sdkb  05:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

I love that idea. I have filed phab:T378313! HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I like that "somewhat tougher than I would be at a normal RfA" still means 17 yes. Helps give me hope that we will get a bunch of new admins out of this experiment. -- asilvering (talk) 09:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

I've added an outcomes column now that results have been released. It appears that I was more generous than the electorate as a whole. Sdkb  22:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

What should be done about 2020 census results on US city/town/CDP articles?

Hi Sdkb. I noticed that you proposed on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Cities that the discussion about the 2020 census issue be moved to another location, but then it looks like you reverted your own edit. I think moving the discussion elsewhere is a good idea. We don't want a page devoted to a broad subject like cities to be swamped with potentially dozens of longish entries about a subject few people will be interested in. Closing the topic with a pointer to where the discussion is continuing seems to be the way to go. Why the revert? PopePompus (talk) 18:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I meant to close the thread at the Village Pump, pointing to the discussion you started at WT:CITIES to consolidate everything there. Sillily, I accidentally closed the discussion at WT:CITIES, circularly redirecting to WT:CITIES. I reverted that and then closed the discussion I meant to at the pump. Hope that clarifies! Cheers, Sdkb  18:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Did you know?

Hello Sdkb, I liked your suggestion about a "Did You Know" for the LaTasha Barnes article. I am going to try posting that. Thanks very much, Wroliver (talk) 19:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Wroliver, good luck! There is still cleanup work to do at LaTasha Barnes to make it less promotional and more encyclopedic—you can look at the biographies of other dancers (say, Frankie Manning) to get a sense of what's expected. If you have any questions, or once you've completed your edits, post at the nomination page to let the reviewer, Dumelow, know. I'd do one of those two today, since if you don't show that you're actively working on it, the nomination will time out.

I know DYK can be a haul, but it's worth it to see the article appear on the Main Page (with its 6 million daily views)!

Cheers, Sdkb  14:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello Sdkb,

Thanks for the link to Manning's bio. I will do some additional work on the article to make it less promotional.

192.65.213.200 (talk) 15:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello Sdkb,

I've responded to all corrections requested in my LaTasha Barnes article. I had been corresponding with Dumelow about it, but most of the conversations on his talk page have disappeared, including mine. I'm wondering if you can help. I tried posting the new DYK hook that you suggested, and was asked to make changes to the article. Would you be able to approve the hook and article? How should I proceed?

Thanks,

Wroliver (talk) 20:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Wroliver! The central place to discuss any DYK nomination is the DYK nomination page, in this case Template:Did you know nominations/LaTasha Barnes. So I would put all replies there. You can ping Dumelow (using the @ symbol or the person-plus icon) to give him a notification if needed. He needs to grant approval for the nomination to proceed. (Your prior conversation on Dumelow's talk page has been archived, something many users do to keep their talk pages from becoming too long. It's here. The possibility that conversations elsewhere get archived or missed is one reason to keep all discussion centralized at the nomination page.) Hope that helps! Cheers, Sdkb  21:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I will go back to the nominations page. Wroliver (talk) 13:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Questions from Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna (08:40, 29 October 2024)

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Assalomu alaykum vikipediya nima qanday joylayman --Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna (talk) 08:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Assalomu alaykum iqtibozni qanday yarataman --Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna (talk) 08:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna: Hi! Misplaced Pages is an online encyclopedia. We have an Uzbek edition that may be useful to you — see uz:Bosh Sahifa.

Salom! Vikipediya - bu onlayn ensiklopediya. Bizda siz uchun foydali boʻlishi mumkin boʻlgan oʻzbekcha nashr mavjud — ushbu sahifaga qarang: uz:Bosh Sahifa Sdkb  14:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Mobtown Ballroom

On 30 October 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mobtown Ballroom, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Mobtown Ballroom and Café enlisted volunteers to build its sprung wood floor by hand – twice? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mobtown Ballroom. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mobtown Ballroom), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for Genesis (Lebrun)

On 8 November 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Genesis (Lebrun), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Rico Lebrun refused to submit sketches of Genesis (detail pictured), a mural commissioned by Pomona College, for approval by its board of trustees? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Genesis (Lebrun). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Genesis (Lebrun)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Pomona College revert

I absolutely agree with your revert of the See Also links for Pomona College. How I ended up on the college's page, I have no idea, because immediately thereafter, I added the same See Also to KSPC, its radio station. I'm working from the recently added List of college radio stations in the United States, and this would be the first and only time I've accessed a page other than a radio station's. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 22:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from Higginbothampub (03:53, 11 November 2024)

Hello. I wanted to create a new page for Nicole Higginbotham-Hogue. How do I go about doing that? --Higginbothampub (talk) 03:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Higginbothampub! See Help:Your first article. Also, since your username relates to the subject, see Misplaced Pages:Conflicts of interest. Cheers, Sdkb  05:02, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from WikiEditor5678910 (00:44, 12 November 2024)

What is a role beyond editor on Misplaced Pages that is easy to achieve? --WikiEditor5678910 (talk) 00:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@WikiEditor5678910, I suggest applying for Certified Hat Collector. Actually, though, Rollbacker is typically one of the first granted. Best, Sdkb  01:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Sandeepchennai (11:56, 19 November 2024)

is my content fine to publish? --Sandeepchennai (talk) 11:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

See Help:Your first article. Sdkb  15:08, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from Sandeepchennai (10:20, 20 November 2024)

is my content fine to publish? i have given possible reference links and cite links --Sandeepchennai (talk) 10:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Which content? Please link to it. Sdkb  15:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

For your work at Teahouse. Best, Luke Elaine Burke (talk) 15:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Someone has poured you tea.

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I happily drink the tea, Luke Elaine Burke! The Teahouse is a place I'm always happy to be! Sdkb  15:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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What is the main purpose of Editing on Misplaced Pages?. And can you just Edit without having any reasonable reason?. Raph Williams65 (talk) 18:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@Raph Williams65: We're here to write an encyclopedia. You don't need any particular reason to start editing (there are many), so long as your contributions are constructive toward that goal. Sdkb  18:19, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sdkb: thanks for the tip!, it was helpful. Raph Williams65 (talk) 18:39, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hey User:Sdkb.

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@Raph Williams65, see Misplaced Pages:Administrator. Sdkb  08:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Rotten Tomatoes and Wikidata

When filling in the "Critic's response" in a film's en.wiki WP article, I update the Wikidata for the film, then use the following in the WP article: {{RT prose|{{RT data|score}}|{{RT data|average}}|{{RT data|count}}|prose prose prose prose|ref=yes|access-date={{RT data|date}}}}

Short and sweet, very very convenient, automatically updates the WP article if some user later updates the Wikidata fields.

A challenge is that, if the information for the Rotten Tomatoes average rating has "/10" included in the Wikidata field, it results in a double "/10/10" appearing in the WP article. For example, for the 2021 film Oxygen, putting 6.8/10 in the Wikidata field results in the en.wikipedia article displaying:

... of 106 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 6.8/10/10.

The only way to avoid this is to not include the "/10" when filling in the Wikidata field, resulting in the en.wikipedia article properly showing:

... of 106 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 6.8/10.

While this "workaround" resulted in a nice output for en.wikipedia articles, it has been brought to my attention, by de.wiki editor Eiragorn, that leaving out some of the extra detail in the cross-language shared Wikidata is resulting in issues for the templates used in the WP articles in other languages. The "workaround" to make the en.wikipedia template work is hurting other ill.wikipedia templates.

I should point out that, until very recently, this "double display" issue would also happen if the Tomatometer score, in the Wikidata file, had the "%" symbol included, resulting in a double "%%" appearing in the en.wikipedia article. For the Oxygen example, this produced:

On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 90%% of 106 critics' reviews...

It appears this has been fixed in the en.wikipedia template. In fact, it is "beyond fixed", as you can now enter the digits by themselves (90), or the digits and the symbol (90%), and the result in always a single "%" appearing in the en.wikipedia article. For the Oxygen example, this now always produces:

On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 90% of 106 critics' reviews...

Can the {{RT data|average}}, for use in en.wikipedia articles, be adjusted to always show a proper, single, "/10" in the WP article? I can, then, gleefully will in the Wikidata fields with all the proper addons (%, /10) and not worry that it blows up other ill.wikis.

If I should take this to someone else, please point me in the right direction. Either way, thank you for your help. Jmg38 (talk) 23:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jmg38! Good questions. I would actually start by going to Wikidata and asking there what the proper format for recording the information is. It might be that they have some different way of recording the /10 denominator and that you therefore shouldn't include it in the value. Or not. They also have the ability to introduce constraint violations or make mass edits to enforce the proper format.

Once that's done, we (and the other Wikipedias) can then work with it as a baseline. It'd certainly still be good to make {{RT data}} more flexible, though, so that it can better handle errors at Wikidata. Having it either enforce the /10 or force its omission for RT data sounds very doable. @Indagate has done some work on the module recently, and might be able to help or might know who else could.

Cheers, Sdkb  00:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Will pursue those ideas. Thank you. Jmg38 (talk) 01:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Hey, the template's can be combined with less code, like {{RT data|prose|consensus=...|ref=yes}}, this means each template is only called once in the article, done this at the Oxygen article mentioned and seems to fix the double /10 issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indagate (talk • contribs) 03:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

WTH(eck), Indagate?!?! A win!! I found the longer one a few years ago in a film article, have been typing the whole thing out for years (a lie – I just copy and paste). BTW, the folks at the Wikidata discussion confirmed status quo for their data requirements, suggested addressing the en.wikipedia templates I was using – which you have now bested. Thank you for this, and thank you Eiragorn and Sdkb for your parts in this short, and nicely resolved, discussion. Jmg38 (talk) 18:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

No problem! If there are improvements to the documentation or Wikidata constraints we could make to make the best practice clearer, I'd suggest it so that this same question doesn't come up again in the future. Cheers, Sdkb  19:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from Robert Neir (07:48, 3 December 2024)

Hi Sdkb!

I see that you are my mentor here on Misplaced Pages. Interesting feature they have here.

I digress, would love to get tips on how I can eventually get our research project added as a[REDACTED] article upcoming.

Our research is done around cognitive ability assessments. We are also likely going to need to be a for profit business after the research is done unfortunately. It's the nature of the beast.

Anyway, I wanted to respectfully go through the process of adding a solid, well written, and extremely in depth[REDACTED] page on our research project + cognitive ability assessments in general.

Looking for advice. Cheers (: --Robert Neir (talk) 07:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Robert Neir! See Help:Your first article. You have a paid conflict of interest with any article on a business with which you are involved, so be sure to abide by the relevant rules. Best, Sdkb  07:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I will start by editing some existing articles and will make sure to keep in mind conflict of interest related things. Robert Neir (talk) 23:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2024).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

• Following an RFC, the policy on restoration of adminship has been updated. All former administrators may now only regain the tools following a request at the Misplaced Pages:Bureaucrats' noticeboard within 5 years of their most recent admin action. Previously this applied only to administrators deysopped for inactivity.
• Following a request for comment, a new speedy deletion criterion, T5, has been enacted. This applies to template subpages that are no longer used.

Technical news

• Technical volunteers can now register for the 2025 Wikimedia Hackathon, which will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. Application for travel and accommodation scholarships is open from November 12 to December 10, 2024.

Arbitration

• The arbitration case Yasuke (formerly titled Backlash to diversity and inclusion) has been closed.
• An arbitration case titled Palestine-Israel articles 5 has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case will close on 14 December.

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You removed a very valuable page

I see you were part of removing this page: List of campus identifications in mobile wallets. It was 100% accurate and used by a ton of universities currently using the technology or campuses wanting to talk to campuses using NFC mobile credentials. This page was so important to campuses and now its gone. How do we get it back? 108.227.138.238 (talk) 22:00, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a web host, so we don't retain articles just because they're useful to a specific group; that group can host the content elsewhere if they want it (you can find what was deleted via archive.org). To reinstate the article, you'd need to show that it was important for an encyclopedia. The way we demonstrate that is through coverage in reliable sources. So talk to journalists and convince them to write about it. Sdkb  22:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from JRockWallpaper (22:36, 9 December 2024)

Hello, I want to contribute a photo of my grandfather Albert Rose-Innes who has an article about him in Misplaced Pages --JRockWallpaper (talk) 22:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@JRockWallpaper, thanks for reaching out! It would be great to add a photo for any biography that does not have one. To contribute a photo that doesn't get deleted, though, we need to figure out how to properly license it. Were you the photographer? If not, do you know who was? And do you know the year it was taken? Sdkb  23:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I got it on the Misplaced Pages article! DID IT! So happy about this. Joanna K. Rock (talk) 23:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Joanna K. Rock @JRockWallpaper, please choose a single account so that it is easier to communicate with you.

When you uploaded the photo, you declared that it was your own work. This is not accurate unless you happen to have been alive in 1906. Please do not make false declarations or your work will quickly be deleted.

Luckily, since the photo was published in 1906, I was able to add a valid license, as it is now in the public domain. I also fixed the formatting at the article.

Best, Sdkb  00:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

So sorry! Thank you so much, my first time editing, my mistake, and thank you for formatting the article. I am just so pleased I was able to add his photo. Sorry for your trouble. Joanna Rock Joanna K. Rock (talk) 00:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

No worries, and glad to be able to assist! Sdkb  00:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from Tiger Iqbal on Talk:Kerala State Lotteries (00:27, 11 December 2024)

Hello sir good morning, I am from Navi Mumbai can I get or entitled to get Kerala Government's Lottery. --Tiger Iqbal (talk) 00:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

This is Misplaced Pages. We can't help with anything except writing an encyclopedia. Sdkb  01:21, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Revert at WP:ERRORS

Hi, Sdkb. Regarding your recent revert at WP:ERRORS, please refer to the header at WP:ERRORS, writ: "Reports are removed when resolved. Once an error has been addressed or determined not to be an error, or the item has been rotated off the Main Page, the report will be removed from this page. Check the revision history for a record of any discussion or action taken; no archives are kept." As per that notification, an uninvolved third party removed a report "determined not to be an error". Your revert of this removal, and subsequent warning to an editor reinstating the removal, is incongruous with the stated purpose of the page and established consensus regarding its practice. If you disagree with the determination that an item is not an error, reverting other editors is not the answer; try to discuss the matter in an appropriate venue. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Crisco 1492, thanks for the note. I am familiar with the normal operation of WP:ERRORS, having frequented it. I have no issue with items that have been determined not to be an error being removed, but such determination should be by consensus and ideally not enacted by involved parties. In this case, at the time Schwede66 removed the invite, there was another editor agreeing with me on the talk page that the issue was a concern (which Schwede66 may not have seen if he did not click through) and only FA nominator SchroCat objecting. I did not consider that to be consensus of it being a nonissue, so I reinstated it and further explained why I considered it relevant for WP:ERRORS. SchroCat's subsequent removal was made with no further rationale and despite their clear involvement. At that point it became a WP:TPO violation — editors should steer far clear of any action that might be perceived as them trying to hide notice of a discussion in which they are being criticized, and overall when in doubt we should err on the side of widely publicizing discussions.

Regarding reverting other editors is not the answer; try to discuss the matter in an appropriate venue, that is exactly what is happening at the talk page discussion, but such a discussion cannot be held effectively if notices to it in relevant places are suppressed. Sdkb  20:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Thank you, Sdkb, and I am happy to see that discussion is continuing apace at the article's talk page.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello Sdkb, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Happy editing, Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

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New pages patrol January 2025 Backlog drive

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Finding newbies to welcome before it's too late

I've long been concerned about an editor retention issue involving the chilling effect on users who, for whatever reason, have received a warning template before they have received a Welcome template from anybody. I am attempting to address this issue by making it easier to find such users, so that we can hopefully welcome them, before it is too late and they disappear forever. This involves a new template, {{welcome needed}}. Your feedback at the Talk page would be appreciated. Mathglot (talk) 11:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

That's very interesting, @Mathglot! I think the best place to solve this issue might be at the point someone gives out the warning, since the warner will also know something about the newcomer's behavior (which is useful for customizing a welcome/determining if the newcomer is WP:HERE). I think an intervention such as introducing a system to Twinkle that makes it possible to pair a warning with a welcome with a single "add a welcome" (the specific welcome being adjustable in settings) click could be very impactful. Cheers, Sdkb  15:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Hello Sdkb: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 02:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Task SdkbBot 4

Hey, do you think you can run your bot again for task Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/SdkbBot 4 and extend it to run over this list? Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Hello Sdkb: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, —Ganesha811 (talk) 13:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from Matt88uk on Gorka Márquez (09:15, 28 December 2024)

Hey. How do I add a picture? --Matt88uk (talk) 09:15, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed reply, @Matt88uk. This tutorial will help. Cheers, Sdkb  05:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2024).

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Worm That Turned

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Worm That Turned

Guideline and policy news

• Following an RFC, Misplaced Pages:Notability (species) was adopted as a subject-specific notability guideline.
• A request for comment is open to discuss whether admins should be advised to warn users rather than issue no-warning blocks to those who have posted promotional content outside of article space.

Technical news

• The Nuke feature also now provides links to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions.

Arbitration

• Following the 2024 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been elected to the Arbitration Committee: CaptainEek, Daniel, Elli, KrakatoaKatie, Liz, Primefac, ScottishFinnishRadish, Theleekycauldron, Worm That Turned.

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Question from Stevedhillon (19:16, 9 January 2025)

How do I set up a bio/page for Steve Dhillon ? --Stevedhillon (talk) 19:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

See Help:Your first article. Your username indicates you may have a conflict of interest, so also see Misplaced Pages:Autobiography. Sdkb  19:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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