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== Israel == |
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this article fails to mention significant Israeli arms sales to India. ] (]) 13:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:They didn't sell to India they sold to Pakistan ] (]) 08:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::This is False Israel only sold arms to India, this has also been proven to be stated by both the Government's of India and Israel. |
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::here is one source https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/israel-and-india-ties-bind ] (]) 19:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Not only Indo-Pakistan war == |
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It was a major cold war between Soviet union and United States. Soviet union stopped the submarines in Indian Ocean if they have entered God knows what worse the outcome would be for india. Similarly Pakistan was not alone too it was supported by usa as it was a strategic ally of usa at that time and it usa ordered Iran too to supply Pakistan arms. In the field do write who is supported by who as this was not a war only between india and pakistan but was one of the major proxy war as a part of cold war. Our friend Israel also helped a lot by supplying both arms and intelligemce. Please mention it in the supported by column 👍 ] (]) 15:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:It was also not true that because of that war Bangladesh was born. The result of the war between freedom fighters of Bangladesh and the then west Pakistan army is the born of Bangladesh ] (]) 05:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2021 == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2024 --- 17,000 Indian Soldiers Killed during 1971 War == |
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We need to include that Indian Forces lost 17,000 Soldier during the 1971 War with Pakistan. This is very important edit as India lost more soldiers than it reported to the media. https://www.news18.com/world/india-now-supposedly-an-enemy-taslima-nasreen-slams-bangladeshs-shift-towards-pakistan-9147802.html ] (]) 13:04, 7 December 2024 (UTC) |
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The war happened between Bangladesh and Pakistan. There was never a war in 1971 between India and Pakistan. I can send links if you want proof of that. Many of us(family members) fought in the war. It was a liberation war of east Pakistan Present Bangladesh. Please edit it. ] (]) 07:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}} Please read the article properly, this was a 13 day war which formed part of the nine month long Bangladesh Liberation War. - ] (]) 08:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC) |
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{{not done}} Not an appropriate source for this. ] (]) 23:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2021 == |
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:This is from reliable Indian News Agency News18.Com, are you saying Indian News Outlets are completely fake as I can point out multiple garbage resources on the following Wiki Article about 1971 War. Please confirm or I will escalate the issue. ] (]) 20:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC) |
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There's a spelling mistake in the infobox, which says "Chhamb" instead of "Chamb." The link is also broken, so could someone make it link to ] and correct the spelling mistake? ] (]) 08:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{partly done|Partly done:}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Broken link corrected. However, according to one of the sources (), and ], it seems the territory was indeed called "Chhamb". So I've left the name unaffected. —](]) 10:26, 22 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::It is attributed to a blog. ] (]) 00:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Supportive nations removal == |
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Why editors removed supportive nations from belligerents section? ] (]) 05:33, 3 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:*{{done}} You had a point. Russia was supporting India and United States of America as well as Air Forces of Britain supporting Pakistan.--]<sup>]</sup> 05:20, 8 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::Please help me (lol). Please other editor do this edit at earliest. --]<sup>]</sup> 05:20, 8 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::'''bel·lig·er·ent''', ''noun'', "A state or other armed participant in warfare". Infoboxes are terrible places to describe things that are complex. The combatants parameter of {{tl|Infobox military conflict}} is best for listing the countries whose forces took part in the conflict. Lesser degrees of supportiveness such as any from Russia, the US, the UK, etc., are better explained in the text of the article, and should cite ]. --] (]) 11:32, 8 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::{{u|Worldbruce}} Umm, Russia was a armed participant in the war with have sent submarines to it. USA and Britain, as well, sent submarines and air fighters to help Pakistan win the war. I don't really see how it is complex. It is just like the Provision government of Bangladesh (at that time) was supporting India. --]<sup>]</sup> 17:06, 8 September 2021 (UTC) |
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{{U|Taeyab}}, you have readded ] to the infobox after being reverted because, per ], their inclusion is not supported by body of article. Per ] there is a limit of about seven commanders to be added. This is already exceeded. We should be reducing, not adding to this list. There is also an ] to establish a ] for your edit before reinstating it. ] (]) 09:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:1) it doesn't matter what your personal opinion is, all that matters is what the Reliable Sources provide, and 2) belligerents are those that do the actual fighting - suppliers of weapons and/or intelligence materials are NOT 15:01, 9 November 2021 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Thank you for your feedback. I would like to address your concerns and provide justification for the inclusion of General Abdul Hamid Khan in the infobox of the 1971 Indo-Pak War Misplaced Pages page, while adhering to Misplaced Pages’s policies, including MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE, WP:ONUS, and WP:CONSENSUS. |
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:General Abdul Hamid Khan served as the Chief of Staff of the Pakistan Army during the 1971 war. He was responsible for overseeing operational planning and coordinating Pakistan's military response on both the Eastern and Western fronts under Military dictator Yahya Khan. His leadership role was crucial, given that General Yahya Khan, the President and Commander-in-Chief, was primarily engaged in political affairs. Multiple reliable sources, including: |
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:'''Shuja Nawaz’s "Crossed Swords: Pakistan, Its Army, and the Wars Within" (2008),''' |
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:'''Major General Shaukat Raza’s "The Pakistan Army 1947–71" (1984), and''' |
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:'''Dr. Srinath Raghavan’s "1971: A Global History of the Creation of Bangladesh" (2013)''' |
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:emphasize General Abdul Hamid Khan’s instrumental role in day-to-day military decision-making during the conflict. |
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:Several commanders currently listed in the infobox played more limited roles than General Abdul Hamid Khan. For example, commanders leading individual corps or divisions are included, yet Abdul Hamid Khan, who was coordinating operations at a national level, is omitted. This creates an inconsistency in representation. Since Template:Infobox military conflict advises including "the most notable and high-level commanders", his exclusion overlooks a key figure in Pakistan’s military hierarchy during the war. |
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:In light of WP:CONSENSUS, I acknowledge the need for broader discussion. I propose opening a discussion on the talk page to seek input from other editors, ensuring that the inclusion or exclusion of commanders follows a consensus-driven approach. Until then, I request that General Abdul Hamid Khan’s addition remain under consideration, supported by the aforementioned sources. ] (]) 17:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC) |
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::{{U|Taeyab}}, you have added two commanders, including ]. Their presence in the infobox is not supported by the body of the article - ie there is nothing in the article to substantiate why they are key or significant commanders. Per ], the infobox is to summarise key facts ''from the article'' - ie without the body of the article telling us why they are in the infobox, they should not be there. This is really not negotiable as a matter of P&G. It is the consensus of the broader community. They have been deleted accordingly. ] (]) 10:05, 10 January 2025 (UTC) |
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Both sides captured territory across the international border<ref>{{Cite news|last=Times|first=James P. Sterba Special to The New York|date=1972-08-25|title=Pakistan Affirms Agreement on Troop Withdrawals|language=en-US|work=The New York Times|url=https://www.nytimes.com/1972/08/25/archives/pakistan-affirms-agreement-on-troop-withdrawals.html|access-date=2021-12-05|issn=0362-4331}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book|last=Sundararajan|first=Saroja|url=https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=8xntfrAZkbsC&pg=PA396&lpg=PA396&dq=pakistan+179+square+kilometres+1971&source=bl&ots=j-DN52xiQk&sig=ACfU3U3mAww_o2ucckIeEcXhUyquxw7HCA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjpvuGrkMz0AhWFYMAKHQilAHUQ6AF6BAgWEAM|title=Kashmir Crisis: Unholy Anglo-Pak Nexus|date=2010|publisher=Gyan Publishing House|isbn=978-81-7835-808-6|language=en}}</ref>, which was subsequently returned in the ]. This has been omitted for some reason, but I'm going to add it to the article. I also propose moving the specific areas captured to the casualties section of the infobox. ] ] 07:35, 5 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for the response, i did not add two commanders, rather i removed major general rao farman ali as they held an advisory role and had little command in the overall 1971 war. I have added a paragraph in the western front subtitle which overviews what made General Abdul Hamid Khan a key commander in the war, citations and sources have also been added for further verification in accordance with the ] ] (]) 20:13, 10 January 2025 (UTC) |
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: Existing infobox touched on that aspect with brevity, Gyan publishing house does not measure up to the standards expounded in ]. ] (]) 08:20, 6 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::No, the existing infobox suggests only India captured territory which is POV pushing. If you object to a source, you don't undo every revision since it was added, unless you're suggesting other RS like NYT are unreliable. ] ] 09:30, 6 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:::As a matter of fact, that news report does not state that Pakistan captured Indian territory ''across the international border''. You are risking sanctions by deliberately misrepresenting sources. ] (]) 15:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC) |
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It was a major cold war between Soviet union and United States. Soviet union stopped the submarines in Indian Ocean if they have entered God knows what worse the outcome would be for india. Similarly Pakistan was not alone too it was supported by usa as it was a strategic ally of usa at that time and it usa ordered Iran too to supply Pakistan arms. In the field do write who is supported by who as this was not a war only between india and pakistan but was one of the major proxy war as a part of cold war. Our friend Israel also helped a lot by supplying both arms and intelligemce. Please mention it in the supported by column 👍 Indianigga (talk) 15:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)