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| ] at the ]. From ] ("The Universal History" written by ]), a manuscript in the Library of the ]; illustrated in ], ], ] 1315 during the rule of the ] Arab ] dynasty. '''Story behind this incident:''' According to , at one time the Black Stone had to be placed in the Kaaba. Every member of the Quraish wanted the honor of placing the stone with his own hands in the Kaaba, so they were unable to come to a resolution. Muhammad showed his leadership skills and intelligence and came up with a solution that satified everyone, by placing the stone in a sheet of cloth and allowing everyone to hold this cloth, and then placed the stone in the wall with his hands.]] | |||
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== hey Matt == | ||
| Well Matt57 thanks for talking to me about the Ali Sina page. Well i was talking about the information there has been skewed to simply advertise Ali Sina more. Even some facts were removed by someone there and its rather sad to see someone supporting someone so blindly, so that is what I raised there. Hope you see that too. Though I have decided not to post an edit there again, coz I am quite sick of trying to fix something, when people are happy over wrong information, let them be I say. Kind regards, (] 23:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)) | |||
| i have uploaded this picture 2 times .first i thought you have concentrated on the copy right law but you are telling me now that you can not believe .this picture is taken by apollo 10 you can chek it at http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap021029.html | |||
| *Matt the problem is not that Ali has been challenged or not, he has been and we all know how he debates. He has his own way and he wont come out in open debate. he goes thru emails and after that he posts them on his website in a skewed manner. And that is what I mentioned on the Criticism section too, in fact I was the one who made the Criticism section the first time, but sadly one after another all were remove to as you said rightly make it advertising space for him. I admit that after 9/11 there is this surge in anti-Islam and everything like that but I think at least an encyclopedia should be last place for such kind of reckless behavior. You can check the alteration history by me and you can see how even the website links quoted which proved that Ali uses debate to his benefit by changing the lines and its presentation was even removed. Anyway once again thank you for your contact, and I am sure you will at least agree on making Misplaced Pages a un-biased play ground of events and facts. Kind regards. (] 23:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)) | |||
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== Abuse of Power == | ||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Edina_Lekovic | |||
| ::Do you ever see "Salat in the Hadith" ? Its always "Salat in Islam". No one asks for that to be renamed. I perfectly understand your motivations though - you dont want the word Stoning to be associated with Islam but thats what it is - Hadith are a part of Islam even if some people dont agree with them and you should accept that ... Plus, most people dont know what Hadith is so the correct title should be the original one: "Stoning to death in Islam". | |||
| == Cartoons == | |||
| I'm not quite sure how one can compare Islamic prayer with stoning, considering that the former is one of the ] while the latter isn't. Nevertheless, it's not about whether or not I want(ed) the word stoning to be associated with the religion, but considering that certain ] don't even take ] into consideration (or some Hadiths are seen as more reliable than others), I found the title to be a little misleading. If I truly didn't want to connect stoning with (certain versions of) Islam, I would have removed the: "According to traditional interpretations of the ] (Islamic Law)" part of the article's first sentence, which is something that I didn't do. | |||
| Rather than blame the cartoonist, we need to blame the Muslims who have killed because of the cartoon. They are the real criminals, not the cartoonist. We need to blame the Radical Despot Leaders who insite this violence. They are the true masterminds of human rights abuse. This is the Canadian Way. (Robin, Canada) | |||
| Furthermore, not only are all of the examples mentioned within the article overwhelmingly from the Hadith, but the ] and ] pages already deal with traditional Islamic Law's interpretive allowance/disallowance of stoning, which makes this article a little different (subject wise) when compared to the prior two. Lastly, as for those who aren't familiar with the term Hadith, the word can be linked within the article and if one types in "]", they get redirected to this page anyway. Most/all pages about Islamic religious and legal terms on wikipedia, are actually titled through their Arabic names. ] 02:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The goal of Radical Islam is to censor the press. It looks like our Human Rights Tribunals are helping them to achieve their aims. | |||
| Alright fine then. I see its going to be impossible to argue and win here, although I could but its not worth my time. I'm ok with your title as well. Thanks.--] 23:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| By behaving like Bullies, and Spoiled Brats. By throwing tantrums at every perceived offense, (a riot here, a car bomb there) they are causing our own institutions turn against their own citizens, and are actually HELPING the Taliban and Al-Qaeda to suppress our freedom of speech. | |||
| Rather than blame the cartoonist, we need to blame the Muslims who have killed because of the cartoon. They are the real criminals, not the cartoonist. We need to blame the Radical Despot Leaders who insite this violence. They are the true masterminds of human rights abuse. | |||
| Rather than cower away, we need to STAND UP TO THESE BULLIES and say: "Look. We are not afraid of you. We are not babies like you, crying over cartoons. We will say anything we wish, and you will never cause us to shut our mouths." | |||
| This is the Canadian way. | |||
| Sincerely, | |||
| Robin, Canada | |||
| == Thanks! == | |||
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| Just wanted to drop you a note to say thank you for adding the court case details to the Timeline. Cheers. ''(]])'' 22:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] of ] == | |||
| ==response to your message== | |||
| ]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at ]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> | |||
| Sorry for not responding. I really don't have an opinion on . It is good because it groups the quranic verses together, but it is bad, because it is one-sided. It isn't like a forum on Islam. That, I would support.--] 07:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] of ] == | |||
| == About the category for deletion thing == | |||
| ]] has been nominated for merging with ]. You are invited to comment on the discussion at ]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfmnotice--> | |||
| You left a message on my talk page about the ] deletion debate, saying that it "must be resolved soon and the Deletion notice must be taken out". You also asked on the category talk page why the category was being considered for deletion. | |||
| #When someone thinks something on Misplaced Pages should be deleted, they can nominate it for deletion. Then there is a discussion lasting 7 days. Then an administrator looks at the discussion and decides whether or not there is ] to delete it. If there is no consensus to delete, it is kept. Right now it seems that consensus is to keep that category. Tomorrow is the 7th day (tecnically today is the 7th day but I stuck the discussion in the wrong place so it's tomorrow instead of today). Therefore tomorrow an administrator will close the debate and remove the tag from the category page. I cannot close it because I am not an administrator. It will happen tomorrow all on its own. | |||
| #As for why it's being considered for deletion; did you read the message at the top of the discussion? Someone (not me) came by and thought it could be dangerous and tried to delete it without going through the proper channels. I was just trying to help that person out by nominating it the proper way. I was hoping they would come back and participate in the discussion and better explain their concerns about the category, but they didn't. So as it stands it is being discussed because somone expressed some vague concerns about terrorism but didn't know what to do about it and obviously wasn't concerned enough to follow through by returning to see if anything had been done. | |||
| Hope that answered your questions. See you around. ~ ] <small>(] / ])</small> 15:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I don't know why an admin hasn't closed it yet... I was wondering that myself earlier today. Adimns ''have'' closed other discussions from that same day, but that one and several others haven't been closed yet. I don't know why. Maybe the admins are busy with other things. I don't know. It seems like all the ones from that day that have been closed were either delete or re-name and the ones where the consensus seems to be "keep" seem to be the ones that haven't been closed yet. Maybe the admins aren't in as much of a rush to close those. Who knows. ~ ] <small>(] / ])</small> 17:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::You said, "You didnt have to pay importance to an anonymous person." Aren't we all anonymous? We are all either IP addresses or psudonymous screen names here. The person (] (see their contributions )) was someone contributing from an IP address who was fairly new and didn't understand how things worked and saw a page that they felt was threatening and scary. My hope was that they could see the process of how things work, express their fears, have their fears calmed, and go away happy. Meanwhile the Misplaced Pages community would be aware of something that appears threatening to outsiders. An anonymous person is still a person, and people are important. ~ ] <small>(] / ])</small> 18:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I've asked on ] if non-admins can close deletion debates that are to be kept, and if not why. It was my understanding that one had to be an admin. ~ ] <small>(] / ])</small> 18:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Why are you getting so upset about this? The category isn't going to be deleted, it's '''not a big deal'''. The IP's other contributions aren't vandalism, and we are supposed to ]. Not all IPs are vandals, just like not all new users are vandals. In fact, most of Misplaced Pages's content comes from IPs. I don't understand why you're so worked up. ~ ] <small>(] / ])</small> 18:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::YES, its a big deal because someone (you) decided to noninate a category for deletion based on Anonymous Vandal edits of a user, who deleted text in the category page and threatened the people listed in the category. Thats the upsetting part. Now, work hard to get the category out of Deletion and dont listen to Vandals next time. Learn to see whats vandalism and when its not. The proper thing was for you to REVERT the vandalism. Instead you went along with the Vandal and decided to NOMINATE the category for Deletion. Amazing. --] 18:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::] has closed the debate. It's over, done, we don't need to think about it any more. As for me opening the debate to begin with... Now, I'm sorry, but a '''lot''' of people think that deleting content on Misplaced Pages works the same way that adding content does; you push edit, then delete or backspace. New users don't know how to delete something that they feel shouldn't be there. Page blanking is usually, but not ''always'' vandalism. ], "Blanking is one of the most common forms of vandalism - '''however, it is also one of the actions most commonly misdiagnosed as vandalism''', and editors should be careful that they do not accuse editors of it unjustly." (emphasis mine). In this case, I honestly do not think that that was vandalism. Another quote from the same essay describes exactly the type of situation I think that was, "Generally, editors may not replace articles with blank text. Even if the entire page is inappropriate, the deletion policy must be followed. New users, however, are unlikely to know this." I do not see how the anon who blanked it "threatened the people listed in the category". It seemed to me that the person percieved a threat to the people in the category and were trying to respond to that threat by eliminating it. They did not threaten to do anything to the people in the category. They simply expressed a view that the category was inappropriate, a view that I feel they had every right to and a view that I feel deserved its airing. ~ ] <small>(] / ])</small> 20:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Right, ok. --] 21:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Lists == | |||
| I've replied to your comments on my talk page. ] 20:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Vandalising!? and Me? == | |||
| Dude, I have given a reason in the discussion page, read that and then point fingers.] 00:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| And if you had trouble reading that, let me explain; which biography points out views of people at wiki done in the manner at Zakir Naik? None I believe. Which Biography is supposed to have biased viewpoints? NONE. Which biography is supposed to quote out of context and give wrong references, NONE. So if these points are found somewhere, I will surely oppose it. And if you didn't get it lemme say it clearly, All of this was and is being done at Zakir Naik's article, and I will/am opposing it.] 01:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hi Matt, | |||
| There has been a lot of activity on the above mentioned page, and since you've been regularly involved I thought you could help me out. | |||
| ] has made a number of changes- some OK, some not- and I'm finding it tricky to get rid of the ] edits while maintaining the valid ones. So please just look over what I (will) do, just in case I mess up somewhere. Thanks --] 04:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: 213.42.21.79 == | |||
| I've taken a look at it -- it's registered to an ISP in the United Arab Emirates, looks like, and is either a dynamic IP address or is shared among multiple users, not all of whom appear to be vandals. Future problems can lead to longer or more severe blocks, certainly, but at this time it appears that doing so could cause unnecessary collateral damage. Thanks for the thought, though. :) ] 01:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Dr, Zakir Naik and Ali sina | |||
| hi matt it seems to me that u r one sided either u r ali sina urself of u r a islamophobe(anti -islam). | |||
| whats ur problem mate, i have made some changes in zakir naik and ali sina and u always seems to come and delete it why are u one sided. | |||
| i have also given the video link which proves that please go and watch it if u want to critizise Dr naik do it and create a page on that name but zakir naiks page is supposed to be showing his biography not just criticism, and u seems to be on Ali sina payroll u have very nice things for him and dont like his critism. | |||
| i wana talk to u on this issues | |||
| if u r open minded and want a discussion then lets do it otherwise ill complain all this to[REDACTED] admins. | |||
| plz reply me | |||
| my[REDACTED] id is mak82hyd | |||
| HI matt | |||
| i have just added some info to the page and its just informative and harmless hope u all will agree, given some references feel free to edit if u dont find it proper but please dont just delete my edits if u feel something is wrong modify it. | |||
| thanks. --] 16:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| why dont u reply matt u does not seems to hear me looks like u r not impartial. i did not delete anything just added some critism ] 05:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| OH I SEE i just did not realised ok thanks for pointing out can i just add some criticism? | |||
| i accept my mistake can we chat on yahoo or hotmail do u mind? | |||
| thanks Mak82hyd 05:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Ali sina critism== | |||
| I want to add what yamin zakaria says about ali sina with references and yamin point of view of debate as well. Mak82hyd 06:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Matt, I totally agree with u but if u r honest and open minded just read zakir naik and ali sina biographies, u know what i am talking about, why is this hypocrisy and hatred towards islam. why cant be both zakir naik and ali sina biographies be impartial and anti islamic. | |||
| ] 06:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for ur suggestions matt, i respect ur views, i will work on it but right now i am busy writing dissertation. but as soon as i finish i shall do it and i will be more regular then i am now ] 06:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks matt, i will add yamin data later. its 6.42 am in uk now whole night has passed, I probably better go to bed now. | |||
| cheers ] 06:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Death of Anwar Shaikh == | |||
| There is a reference which claims that he died on 25 November 2006 in Wales, GB: | |||
| http://www.haindavakeralam.org/PageModule.aspx?PageID=2426&SKIN=W | |||
| Though it is a Hindu website it is unlikely that such a trivial thing will actually be a propaganda, as they only claim his death not murder by Islamofascists or any such thing. | |||
| Since the person in question is socially of a low profile, it is unlikely that secular reports of his death will be available in just two days. | |||
| Sorry I have registered recently on wiki. Though I have gone through the relevant policies it is possible that I may err unknowingly. Thanks ] 13:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Ali sina reply== | |||
| matt , u said that ali sina page is his page and it will be about him so is zakir naik page does not belong to him why is all critism and anti naik thing there no one like his achievements written there pleae reply to questions --] 18:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Re Ali Sina: Not a ballot?== | |||
| Hi Matt. I just put the tag to slow down the anon multiple voting (sockpuppeting) and users' first edits. If you don't see its necesity than that's fine w/ me. Cheers -- '']'' Ω <small>]</small> 17:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Blocked == | |||
| You have been blocked for violation of ] at ]. Almost all of your recent edits consist of either edit warring or calling people vandals. I think you need to cool off for a bit and use ] instead, once the block expires. Thanks. ]·] 03:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I thought the 3RR didnt apply if I was reverting anonymous IP edits. Because technically they can get another IP and keep reverting stuff while I can do it only 3 times. I'll try to get that article semi-protected.--] 13:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Re Dealing with Vandals== | |||
| Hi Matt. My modest experience in Misplaced Pages tells me that the issue is not that simple as it appears. It is true that removing content w/o discussion is considered vandalism but there's always a context covering that. In the case of Ali Sina, the removal of the content is part of: | |||
| * ''']''' - It is important to read this official policy. It is very hard to apply that to our case as there is a dispute whether Ali is a real person or not. But at least we can assume he is. | |||
| * '''Bullying or Stubbornness''' | |||
| Some users cannot come to agreement with others who are willing to talk to them on an article's talk page, and repeatedly make changes opposed by everyone else. This is regrettable — you may wish to see our dispute resolution pages to get help. However, it is not vandalism. | |||
| I would suggest you assume good faith and that you invite the IP to discuss his reverts on the talk page. If the user doesn't want to do so than we can drop the assumption of good faith and start considering that as pure vandalism. | |||
| Last important thing. Personally, i believe in the freedom of editing in[REDACTED] though i am really against IP editing. Many editors and admins have been debating this very hard before at the village pump but still there is no serious concensus on that. YOu could prepare a draft or a proposal and discuss it at the ]. I'd love to participate on that. -- '']'' Ω <small>]</small> 18:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Re Criticism of the Qur'an. Hopefully, admin ] whom i trust too much protected the article. I hope involved parties discuss the issues at the talk page. The point can be synthetized as per admin ] commented earlier: | |||
| :'''anti-Muslim' leaning editors want to point out these 'bad' things of the past and essentialize them as a constant of Islamic history. Our 'Muslim' leaning editors want to lessen or rationalize these views. Neither way works and it is very difficult to present this in a neutral light. We aren't a scholarly paper that can have a thesis and we aren't a paper encyclopedia which only covers the basics (which makes it much easier).'' | |||
| :I've edited islam-related articles before but w/ the persistent edit warring between the two sides described above i decided to slow down my contributions re to those articles. I've been accused of being by wikipediareview.com gurus, a wikifascist by ]. However, i am still optimistic that[REDACTED] would still fight those kind of attitudes as i commented once at . | |||
| :Vandalism is easy to spot and as i said earlier above, if the IP doesn't want to discuss than i'll block him personally. The problem is not about that kind of vandalism but the attitude of a few wikipedians. I can't just block those established users but there's a somehow long process that admins including myself can follow (i.e ], ], etc.). Feel free to contact me anytime you need help. Cheers -- '']'' Ω <small>]</small> 15:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| What's been going on with that article, do you know? Answer on my talk, please. ] 03:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| I noticed you left a comment on the delete discussion, but didn't vote.--] 00:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| I don't know if you knew, but this article was nominated for deletion. Make sure to vote on it.--] 04:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| I am trying to make this article more of an article on the city, and less of a religous article, and so I nominated it for the ]. Would you please vote on it?--] 21:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==That AFD on the list of ex-Muslims== | |||
| Well... it seems to me that trying to keep a list of the ex-members of a religion will spawn other lists like ex-Buddhists or ex-Bahai and at some point it just gets too obscure. I prefer pages on the general topic instead of a list - like "Apostate Muslims" as an article with the most prominent mentioned. ] 01:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == WorldNetDaily link == | |||
| Note that and both said the WorldNetDaily link was notable. And the closing admin saw the Jim Ball link, which was brought up in the AfD; presumably this contributed to the decision of "''reasonable argument that the site meets WP:WEB''". Hope that helps. | |||
| Also, I do not think it helps your case to continually say that someone or someones are systematically censoring Misplaced Pages. If you feel that this is the case, you might do better to create a subpage of your userpage, list alleged incidents there, cite them with diffs, and then link to this page ''subtly'' in your signature. Every time you yell it, it inevitably sounds a little quieter. Just let whatever evidence you claim to have speak for itself. — ] ] — 20:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Alternatively to a sub-page, you could simply turn your main user page, ], into such a list. That would be both sufficiently prominent and sufficiently subtle imho (hope that makes sense). — ] ] — 17:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Matt, I just reverted the article and not intentionally deleted the link. you can go and check it. As you just copied and pasted the material from Ali sina article I just reverted it may be the link got deleted it was not intentional. I hope its clarified. regards, --] 00:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| I changed the name to make it acceptable. | |||
| On a different note, two vital policies of Misplaced Pages are at stake with respect to ] involving ] and ]. The article was created 2005 March 12. Suddenly, now it has come under an avalanche.--] 23:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==logo== | |||
| Pleasure! I too think we need some more NPOV arround here. Feel free to ] yourself, so long you mean it! I've not been that much involved with Islam articles yet, just ], so let me know what is happening and where. Ta! ] 01:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == hello Matt == | |||
| although i appreciate you enquiring, i don't appreciate its aggressive and vindictive manner. i simply had some spare time to do maintenance, where i fixed the heading structure. i noticed there were two entries for the lists, so i removed it for the time being. had there been more entries as there are now i would not have removed it. why not before? hadn't noticed it before. this constant unjustified bad faith simply indicates lack of interest in collaborative editing, and i insist that you stop exuding it. ] 08:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :sorry, i'm not sure you know what you're talking about. you are indulging in conspiracy theories. non-muslims and muslims have always been welcome to participate. wikiproject islam has never been the 'muslim guild', the latter was a totally separate wikiproject, which has now been removed per consensus of the community. incidentally, i had never signed up to it, so i'm not sure where you're getting these ideas. wikiproject islam has always been "NPOV". the aim of the wikiproject is to help improve the quality of Islam related articles. as long as you agree with that and abide by policy/guideline, we should get along just fine. ] 14:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| well hopefully others can help in putting the templates up on all of the related pages, there are certainly loads to go through. ] 07:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :i know that you personally find them to be of significant importance, but topics covering a highly specific area of knowledge such as recently published topical books (like the ones you have been working on), personalities unknown to the casual reader (i.e. Parvin Darabi or Zakir Naik) and fringe-notability organisations (FFI) would be considered articles of extremely trivial (i.e. low) importance to any wikiproject by conventional standards, on our importance scale they'd belong be in the low importance category: they're not topics remotely central to the core knowledge of Islam as should be presented in an encyclopaedia. there are far more core-topic essential articles demanding our attention. ] 11:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == apologies == | |||
| something terrible happened - it looks like someone's been messing with my account whilst i was at the printer (uni. library). is there a procedure for this sort of thing? ] 23:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| I've already informed the ANI board. Thanks. ] <sup><em>]/]</em></sup> 23:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| It's not a password issue - I was already signed in but have left the computer. Thanks though will change it anyway ] 23:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == FFI == | |||
| matt, why is Ali sina views and debates are being written in FFI page. its not his page its about website so just write about website not about the founder. how can i write about yusuf qaradawi who made the islamonline.net website on the website page, its wrong. just write about FFI on the article what his founder said or thinks does not matter. ] 00:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :To paraphrase what you say, "''why write about Muhammad on the Islam page ? After all he was just the founder. The Islam page is about Islam and not the founder.''". That doesn't make sense does it ?. What the founder of 'x' says is relevant in an article about 'x' if he is saying it in relation to 'x' as opposed to say other unrelated to FFI personal life matters e.g. any claims of death threats against the founder are not notable but a challenge issued by the founder on the FFI web site are notable. ] 05:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Great point, thanks T. Yes, Mak, should I go ahead and delete information about ] from the ] page? Hopefully you should get the point now.--] 06:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I don't know why Khalid Zaheer said this. This is my guess that he is using Government ISP. Because in Pakistan, internet is subsidized. ISP's can bypass Government network easily and satellite internet is heavily used by private sector because of its reliability. If you want to put this information, you need to source it as well, otherwise it will constitute ]. ]<sup>]</sup> 16:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Secondly, Khalid Zaheer even hasn't put the discussion on their website, hence, we don't even have a secondary source to prove that discussion is even happening or not! ]<sup>]</sup> 16:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::It is not I've doubt in this debate. It is what wikipedia's policy says. You need to bring information from ] and ] sources. The information needs to be attested by someone! ]<sup>]</sup> 16:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Book covers== | |||
| Hi, is there a WP policy which restricts a book cover image to only its own article? thanks. --] 19:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi Matt57. Please read the ] and ]. | |||
| :*Magazine cover: ''This image is of a magazine cover, and the copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher of the magazine or the individual contributors who worked on the cover depicted. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of magazine covers: '''to illustrate the publication of the issue of the magazine in question''','' | |||
| :*Book cover: ''This image is of a book cover, and the copyright for it is most likely owned either by the artist who created the cover or the publisher of the book. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of book covers: '''to illustrate an article discussing the book in question'''''. Cheers -- '']'' - <small>]</small> 19:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Wait a minute. ] says ''"to illustrate an article discussing the book in question"''. It doesnt have to be the article exclusively devoted to the book. If ANY article is discussing this book, then the picture can be displayed. Also, I'm not seeing any explicit policy that says that the image cannot be used on its own as I had put in some of the articles. Some time I may look for clarification for this thing from other members. If you want to remove the images for now, you may.--] 21:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Hi again Matt. I am not the only one who knows about the . You can have a look at these as well; and . Cheers -- '']'' - <small>]</small> 12:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==yamin== | |||
| lol, my friend says its http://www.iiop.org/Final_Response.php. regards. ] 11:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Matt, I've been using the ] instead, , because ] has an article here while the ] doesn't and ] goes somewhere else. Also the Internet Archive's version is not going to go down, whereas the IIOP could pull that from their site at any time. IIOP's version ''is'' a little easier to read though, so we're probably best to just link both. — ] ] — 13:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Barnstar == | |||
| ] | |||
| Thanks for the brainstar. --] 04:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Jerry Klein Islamophobia Parody == | |||
| Hi, thanks for your input during the question to delete the info on Jerry Klein's Islamophobia Parody. The decision was to not delete the article - here's what an admin posted: | |||
| :The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below... | |||
| The result was keep. Majorly (Talk) 18:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I think I'll rename the article to "Jerry Klein Islamophobia Radio Experiment" as many people in the deletion discussion link comedians like Stephen Colbert with the word parody and Jerry Klein was not trying to be funny. Thanks again for your input.--] 20:37, 30 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == edit summaries == | |||
| please strive to use accurate edit summaries. for example was totally incorrect and demonstrates that you reverted, claiming that removal had been "unexplained", without looking at the talk page. PN Oak had also been covered on the talk page. ] 17:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :You assumed bad faith by calling my edit summary deceptive, which it was not. I'm not expected to see the last 500 edits and see how that image had been taken out or included. All I saw was that Zora took the image out without explaining why. It doesnt matter how many times the image is taken out. It must be explained everytime its taken out - right? Thats what Edit summaries are for, right? I didnt see you telling her that HER edit summary was incorrect. If she had explained why she took it out, that would have resolved it. Please assume good faith next time.--] 05:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::? your edit summary ''was'' "deceptive", intentionally or not. she did explain, both in her edit summaries (i.e. 29 Dec edit) and extensively on talk. edit summaries are for ''describing'' the change made (and besides, you ''definitely'' don't attempt to justify every change you make in your summaries, and neither does anyone else for that matter-- that is what talk is for). that you simply refused to bother looking at the talk page or a little further down the article history doesn't permit making silly excuses, Matt. you called it "unexplained", and that is just wrong any way you look at it. you have also added a fraudulent caption for the above picture, you clearly know very little about the picture and almost nothing of what event it depicts. ] 19:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::She did NOT explain her image deletion in edit summary. A ''Fraudulent'' caption, you say? Can you please stop assuming bad faith or do I have to warn you to stop making personal attacks? What is the correct caption? Give a link where it tells the story of the image.--] 21:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::*absurd. she did explain her deletion, she does not have to re-iterate the reasoning every time she removes it. you would know that she had explained it had you looked closely or attempted to assess the dispute, but as you had done neither you would not be in the position to make an unqualified statement. assuming bad faith? could you please explain where? the caption is false and clearly made up- that is known as fraudulent- whether it was intended or not. "deceptive" and "fraudulent" describe the contents of your edit summary and caption respectively, they have nothing to do with casting doubts over your behaviour. the latter is something i do not intend. | |||
| ::::*can you tell us from where you obtained your current caption? to me, it seems like total nonsense. the image is of Muhammad ''before'' prophethood (so which Muslims are you referring to?), being entrusted by Quraishi to put the black stone on the Kaaba after its reconstruction. ] 22:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Yes, everytime a material is deleted, it should be mentioned WHY it is being deleted, whether its being deleted for the first time or 100'th. I will correct the caption some time. In the mean while please try to assume good faith and dont use words on other editors like ''deceptive'' and ''fraudulent'' without investigating.--] 23:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::*"''Yes, everytime a material is deleted, it should be mentioned WHY it is being deleted, whether its being deleted for the first time or 100'th''" it was mentioned why in the history as well as on talk. you choose to narrowly examine just one summary, which is extremely frivolous. you knew there was warring, you should have "investigated" before making unqualified statements, which turned out to be false. | |||
| ::::::*"''dont use words on other editors like deceptive and fraudulent without investigating''", i used those words to describe the content, not the contributor. per this discussion, if anyone needs to do "investigating" before they make statements, it's you ^_^. ] 00:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Sorry I dont have time to argue endlessly over a little edit where a user removed an image without explaining why. You're not even that user, so please WP:Cool Off, or whatever that shortcut is. --] 06:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Muhammad(saw)== | |||
| Peace, Good matt, My dear bro, you are coming to the way of True religion, Islam slowly. U respect and love our beloved Prophet Muhammad(saw) so much that U have even placed a painting of somebody. any ways What I want to remind you is Please If you like Muhammad(Saw) obey him and follow islam but dont start worshipping him as he said Only Almighty can be worshipped and none except him can be worshipped. Muhammad(saw) is just the Final prophet of Almighty. I admire your love and respect for Prophet Muhammad(saw) but remember Idol worshipping is a big Sin in Islam. Peace. ] 21:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Mak, thanks for your guessing, but I'll remain an athiest. However I appreciate the good deeds of everyone. The caption of the picture is what I had heard of Mohammed and undoubtedly this was a good example of leadership skills shown by Muhammed, if the incident really happened. However a display of the picture of Muhammad, if even if I was converting to Islam, does not mean in my opinion that we are indulging in idol worship. This is something I dont understand. This is definitely not idol worship. We have a picture of Misplaced Pages's logo here. That doesnt mean we worship it. Its just a representation of information, like text. See my point? Yes it goes contrary to what you have been taught but I believe I'm right - pictures are simply another representation of information. A picture says more than a 1000 words, as goes the proverb. --] 22:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == my Userpage. …using ] == | |||
| I've made it a slightly deeper blue, but thanks for changing it, it looks much better now. ] (Have a nice day!) 18:26, 21 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Ali Sina== | |||
| I completely disagree with you. We can't present what Ali Sina says as facts. | |||
| For example consider teh following, which is in the article thatnks to reverts of my edits: | |||
| ''Haseeb-ul-hasan Siddiqui, a leading cleric of the Muslim organization, the Sunni Ulema Board has also warned Ali and others behind faithfreedom.org of the consequences that they would have to face if they don’t close the website. He is reported to have said "According to Islam, the criticisers of Islam should be stoned to death."'' | |||
| If Siddiqui is a living person, then this is a ] agianst him, and shoudl either be attributed or removed completely.] 00:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :You wrote "''This isnt libel. Ali writes about it here: http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/Ghamidip6.htm - you're saying that Ali has lied?''" | |||
| :What I find interesting is your question "you're saying that Ali has lied"? Does Ali even exist? Ok let's suppose there really is a guy named Ali Sina. This Ali Sina says "Muslims have no pride, no self esteem, no dignity, no honor." Do you really expect me to believe that? | |||
| :I am a Muslim. Do you seriously think that just because of my religion I have no dignity? Do you really believe that I have no honor? | |||
| :Give me a break. Surely you must agree that Ali Sina, whoever that may be, is a liar. ] 00:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::We have secondary reliable sources for ], thus we can state his actions as fact. Where we don't have reliable sources, and general agreement, we attribute the source to its author. '''We don't have any secondary reliable sources for Ali Sina, or FFI.'''] 02:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Also, do you agree that Ali Sina makes false statements?] 02:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::You said "''What false statements does Ali sina make? Give me one example.''" I already gave you one example. He says "''Muslims have no pride, no self esteem, no dignity, no honor.''" Surely you must agree that the above statement of Ali Sina is completely false. ] 17:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Ali Sina said "Muslims have no pride...". If we simply break that sentence down, we get: "Muslim" = no pride. "No pride" mean 0 pride. It disgusts me that you think Sina's "statement is generally true". | |||
| :::::It's impossible for me to agree with you and Sina, that Muslims, in general, have no dignity, no honour. | |||
| :::::It is like a white supremecist saying that "Blacks are generally inferior to whites, though not all black are inferior." | |||
| ::::"''I think we're going into debate now which I wont do.''" I think that's very difficult to do since you tend to agree with Sina's extremist views.] 18:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::You can't possibly improve article by presenting teh views of an extremist as fact. In fact, the statements must be removed per WP:BLP.] 18:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| =========================== | |||
| Hi Matt, I had no idea wher and how to send you a message so i am typing it here> | |||
| I had no idea what i was doing that made the "FFI banned in some muslim countries" dissappear. What was happening was that i edited and provided a list of countries that view the FFI site according to % based on site meter. And then using the line about saudi Arabia.Then when i began inserting it somehow the references after ref no. 21 was being messed up. I understood that it was due to my recent edit on the countries... topic. | |||
| You see thats how you will see i had 15 edits in like 15 minutes kind of. I am new and plus i was not aware how to use the discussion page and get answers. so i did my best to restore the page. I could not. Surprisingly someone else was also editing the same page. I thought he may help or he may restore the page properly. But that did not happen. I am pleased that user Titsow and you have spoken about it. Again i have no idea how to message you guys so i am using this page to type me response. I dont know if you or anyone will read this. If you can let me know how to send messages to users. so next time i can bring it to someonelses attention when i go wrong. | |||
| Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Z2qc1" | |||
| ==Ramadan Riots, up for deletion== | |||
| Hi there Matt. (Mr. 57?) I've seen a bit of your work on various Wiki articles on Islam and have been impressed. I could really use a vote of confidence to counter a semi-hysterical muslim petition to ban the article on the french ]. Check out the deletion talk page . Thanks. ] 08:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Matt, I have started documenting the IP addresses being used as sockpuppets by a single user: . Please feel free to add to the list if you find any more puppets pop up. It's only a matter of time before we find out if this IP range matches a known user. --] 22:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you! The editor has insulted me directly in one of his edits, and I can see an abusive history over-all among all the known IP's used. This sock is very disruptive to the pages involved, most unfortunately. | |||
| :By the way I think I will use your Wikiproject userbox, it looks very nice :) --] 22:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes, Netscott is an admin. ] 22:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::No, Netscott is not an admin. You can check at ]. <small>]<sup>(Need help? ])</sup></small> 22:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Well, he seems like one. Strange. ] 22:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::The only difference between an admin and a regular user is the tools they have, tools which netscott does not have. <small>]<sup>(Need help? ])</sup></small> 22:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == My reason for leaving Islam is quite simple == | |||
| I found ] ] ] ] to be more favorable. Just to let you know, my opinion of Ali Sina has not changed since I left Islam. He's still an idiot. Thanks.--<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 23:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| There is no reason to be rude. Also, I have your answer . --<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 03:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| As I have already said, I don't accept Islam because I don't agree with its ethical system. I find the concept of free will to be irreconcilable with omnibenevolence. I don't have any specific qualms with Islam, simply because I find them '''irrelevant'''. There is no reason to even consider them. God doesn't exist, so why should I care what Islam's moral system is, seeing as how it is based on God (per ]). Also, I think that the '']'' is another one of the reasons I reject Islam. Also, I am currently in an email debate with a Muslim, and I'll put that in my blog as soon as he gives me permission to do so. It may help you further understand my viewpoint. Thanks. --<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 04:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Lame, he said no to putting the debate in my blog. I'll try to find another Muslim with which to debate. I'll let you know when that happens. Cheers. --<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 05:13, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It seems like taqiyya, but what does he have to gain by saying he defected? ] 05:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Its something some people do for different reasons e.g if they feel they're being attacked because of their faith, they'll just attempt to shake off the label in order to "disarm" the attack - this is what they perceive even though its not a personal attack, its just another viewpoint. Some people get tired of their faith being criticized and feel safer when they think the other person doesnt know. I suspect it as well but I'm open to some evidence right now. Kirby that he's a Critic of Islam and I've asked him to show me atleast SOME edits of his here on Misplaced Pages that reflect him being a Critic of Islam. If he's unable to show any edits as proof, we know who spoke the truth and who didnt. Hey Kirby, I saw you said to Netsooger "You dont fucking own the template" - whoa. You must be lucky you werent warned by an admin for that. --] 05:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Also what is interesting is that while Kirby is profusely crital of Judaism on his blog , it doesnt seem that he is critical at all of Islam in the same fashion even to a lesser degree. So yes Kirby, please show us some evidence of your claim of being critical of Islam. --] 05:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| LOL! Taqqiya. By the way, I told netooger or whatever that he doesn't own the template for good reason. I may have been too harsh, but my encounters with Messianics on Wiki hasn't been good. Also, using fuck as an intensive isn't something warnable. And don't be ridiculous. I'm not profusely critical of Judaism. That which you gave a link of, is a criticism of Christianity, not Judaism. Maybe you meant my anger towards certain passages in the Old Testament which talk about how the Israelites murdered and raped the native inhabitants of Palestine? That is a criticism of all three Abrahamic faiths. Please see and . Thanks. --<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 06:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :True, but the only people today looking to historical examples of that behavior as a model are Muslims, and that's the entire problem. ] 06:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Why does that matter? The past still exists. So in 100 years, if Islamic extremism dies out, will that mean that arguments against Islam as violent would become invalid? Truth values are not temporal. --<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 09:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Kirby, Christianity or Judaism, my point is: you criticized one of these religions very strongly. I did not see you doing the same for Islam. You are a Muslim. I have seen no evidence of you criticising Islam anywhere and the fact that you were'nt able to show me any edits. Ahh look at this edit! you changed "murdered" to "kill" for Van Gogh's death. This confirms you are a Muslim. If you had left Islam, you would never do this and attack the Dutch legal system so strongly. Nice try. So again, please show me some edits of yours where you were critical of Islam? I guess you dont have any, right? And you call yourself a former Muslim? --] 12:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Ah, Kirby claims to be a former Muslim. Look at what he has in his signature: <nowiki>]</nowiki>. Taqiyya doesnt work, Kirby. I'll watch your edits more closely now. You should really join the 'freedom fighters'. You should share the same fate as them. --] 13:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| So because I advocate the precise use of terms, I'm a Muslim? So because I have Islam in a heart in my signature, that makes me a Muslim? Maybe the reason why I have it in a heart, is because Islam is not just a religion; Islam is also a culture. Judaism is also a culture. I know plenty of atheist Jews that still celebrate Rosh Hashanah and Passover and whatnot. Same goes for Hinduism. As an Iranian, I still celebrate Noruz and 4šanbe suri (which was last night) and 13bedar. Does that make me secretly Zoroastrian? No! | |||
| I don't have to prove anything to you. If you don't believe me, then tough. Don't wikistalk me or I'll immediately have admins tracking you. --<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 17:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Also, .--<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 18:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Kirby, dont threaten me alright? I'll be watching your edits and see what edits you are making. There's no such thing as "edit stalking" so GTFO to you as well, mfb. Thanks and happy editing. --] 18:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Actually, there is. ]: | |||
| ''The term "wiki-stalking" has been coined to describe following a contributor around the wiki, editing the same articles as the target, with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor.'' | |||
| Stop annoying me.--<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 18:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Kirbymf, I'm not here to annoy you, please dont assume stuff. I'll be here though to make sure you are not taking out any valid content from WP. Thats not stalking. I'm waiting for you to take this to the admins. Why havent you done that till now? --] 20:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Funny how you tell me not to assume stuff, yet you accuse me of taqqiya. --<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 18:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *please do not troll my talk page with contemptuous and aggressive remarks as you did . please note the talk page etiquettes at the top of the talk page. thank you. ] 06:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::in fact, you've been doing this rather frequently of late. per : | |||
| ::*{{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}|With regards to your comments on ]: }}Please see Misplaced Pages's ] policy. Comment on ''content'', not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to ] for disruption. Please ] and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. <!-- Template:No personal attacks (npa2) --> | |||
| ::-- ] 07:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I don't see a personal attack there. ] 07:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::you don't think accusing people of taqiyya is a personal attack? ] 08:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I think if someone is obviously (or almost certainly) lying, pointing this out is not a personal attack. ] 08:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::accusing someone of deception is a personal attack. Kirbytime is not a Muslim. harrassing him, as Matt and others have done, is just not on. ] 08:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::He says he loves Islam, calls terrorists freedom fighters, fights for the Holocaust article to be changed to alleged Holocaust, exclusively criticizes Judaism and Christianity, and hates Ali Sina. I think the evidence is pretty clear. What's the problem, anyway? Taqiyya is part of your religion, why are you implying that it is wrong? ] 08:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::none of the things you listed makes him a Muslim. "''He says he loves Islam''", i don't believe so. i think you've been spending too much time at FFI. Taqiyya is not a part of Islam. and lying is not a part of Islam. ] 08:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::The heart in his signature links to the article on Islam. I don't think you've been spending enough time at FFI. Lots of Muslims try to spread the message "Fear Allah and die Muslim" there, you could join them. ] 09:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <r>ItaqAllah, you removed the links without people reaching consensus. That is considered vandalism. Thanks to you, there will be more links in that section now. I hope that makes you happy. And yes, Taqiya unfortunately or fortunately is a part of Islam. See the last line of . I wont go into debate, but that hadith and some others like it speak for itself. And yes KirbyTime was obviously not telling the truth when he said he left Islam. He could not explain exactly why he left Islam and he still has that Heart symbol in his signature so obviously, he is still a Muslim and we just saw some Taqiya in action. --] 12:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Nice link Matt, that one says a lot. ] 03:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| This is getting more and more bizarre. My gosh, just because I'm not Muslim doesn't mean I cannot respect Islam. This is pissing me off, so I'm going to put my hearts in my sig just to prove my point.--<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="yellow">]</font><font color="black">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 16:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Kirby, so you have a black heart for an athiest philosopher, how nice - figures. --] 17:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::The amount of anti-Muslim vitriol on this page as exhibited in Matt57 and Arrow740's stereotyping of Islam as an anti-Semitic, hateful religion is absolutely disgusting. You should be really ashamed of yourselves. ] 18:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Not ? ] 03:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Tiamut, I never came across you before. Where did you get the idea that I'm stereotyping Islam? If you are trying to show the positive side of Islam, can people not share different opinions? I think we are now talking beyond what Misplaced Pages says. Misplaced Pages is not a discussion board on Islam. If you have something to talk about relating to actual articles on Misplaced Pages, please go ahead otherwise please keep your accusations to yourself.--] 19:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Also aber rathe ich euch, meine Freunde: misstraut Allen, in welchen der Trieb, zu strafen, mächtig ist! Das ist Volk schlechter Art und Abkunft; aus ihren Gesichtern blickt der Henker und der Spürhund. Misstraut allen Denen, die viel von ihrer Gerechtigkeit reden! Wahrlich, ihren Seelen fehlt es nicht nur an Honig. Und wenn sie sich selber 'die Guten und Gerechten' nennen, so vergesst nicht, dass ihnen zum Pharisäer Nichts fehlt als — Macht! --<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="yellow">]</font><font color="black">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 20:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Lewis Quotation== | |||
| Hi, I think this part is sufficient for that article and I don't want to violate copyright rule but you can find all of it. You can add it if you'd like.<font face="monospace">](]-])</font>--12:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't think the beginning of that paragraph is necessary. Please do it yourself if you think it's necessary.<font face="monospace">](]-])</font>--12:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] lead == | |||
| Dear interested editor:<br />Please visit here: in the next few days and give your vote and your proposals on how the lead may be reworked and reformed to meet GA criteria before next nomination.] 04:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Nietzche== | |||
| Hi Matt, the passage left on your page is a quote from Nietzche. I've copied and pasted a translation from , which is: | |||
| "But thus do I counsel you, my friends: distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful! | |||
| They are people of bad race and lineage; out of their countenances peer the hangman and the sleuth-hound. | |||
| Distrust all those who talk much of their justice! Verily, in their souls not only honey is lacking. | |||
| And when they call themselves "the good and just," forget not, that for them to be Pharisees, nothing is lacking but--power!" | |||
| I'll leave to you to figure out what it means in the context in which it was quoted. Best wishes, ] 03:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| It's not very difficult. Matt57 has threatened me numerous times to block me, report me, "I see you getting blocked in a couple of weeks, if not months, mark my words"]. So obviously, when I quote someone who criticizes the impulse to punish people, matt57 naturally assumes that I placed it in bad faith and wants me punished for it. Irony of ironies, all is irony. --<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="yellow">]</font><font color="black">]</font><font color="pink">]</font><font color="blue">]</font> 19:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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hey Matt
i have uploaded this picture 2 times .first i thought you have concentrated on the copy right law but you are telling me now that you can not believe .this picture is taken by apollo 10 you can chek it at http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap021029.html
Abuse of Power
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Edina_Lekovic
Cartoons
Rather than blame the cartoonist, we need to blame the Muslims who have killed because of the cartoon. They are the real criminals, not the cartoonist. We need to blame the Radical Despot Leaders who insite this violence. They are the true masterminds of human rights abuse. This is the Canadian Way. (Robin, Canada)
The goal of Radical Islam is to censor the press. It looks like our Human Rights Tribunals are helping them to achieve their aims.
By behaving like Bullies, and Spoiled Brats. By throwing tantrums at every perceived offense, (a riot here, a car bomb there) they are causing our own institutions turn against their own citizens, and are actually HELPING the Taliban and Al-Qaeda to suppress our freedom of speech.
Rather than blame the cartoonist, we need to blame the Muslims who have killed because of the cartoon. They are the real criminals, not the cartoonist. We need to blame the Radical Despot Leaders who insite this violence. They are the true masterminds of human rights abuse.
Rather than cower away, we need to STAND UP TO THESE BULLIES and say: "Look. We are not afraid of you. We are not babies like you, crying over cartoons. We will say anything we wish, and you will never cause us to shut our mouths."
This is the Canadian way.
Sincerely, Robin, Canada
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