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| == Your Wikiproject Video Games New Years Resolution == | |||
| == Request for reviews at Doom FAC == | |||
| ] | |||
| I'm aware that I recently did a "non-productive post" above (as my haters call them) but I thought this would be fun. After all, who ''doesn't'' love an icebreaker? I don't! | |||
| What's your Misplaced Pages-related resolution for 2025? '''What new projects, achievements, or goals do you want to get done in the new year?''' Then we can look back and see both the people who conquered their goals and the people we should leave behind for 2026. | |||
| The ] is in danger of stalling out; it's gotten one support and a half-review, but could use some more reviewer attention. Willing to trade reviews for anyone willing to give it a look. --''']]''' 01:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| * 2024 was a pretty lame work year for me. I'm going to get ] to GA in 2025, I promise. I'm certain one year is enough cushion for me to actually do something. ] <span style="color:#F40">•</span> ] 04:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| * I'm hoping to finally get '']'' to GA this year. ] (]) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| * Outside real-world stuff, finish bringing the '']/Project Zero'' series and its entries to GA status (don't think I'll try for a GT as my last two GTs were very neatly stalled by the sudden creation of an article with insisted inclusion) --] (]) 07:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::I’ll see if I can look into it as well, though I’m working into the weekend this week. At the very least I may be able to do a source review, if I can find the time. ] ] 17:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| * I don't have nearly as much time as I had during the pandemic. But I'd like to take a couple more articles to GA or FA. Areas I'm still interested in: historic games, historic game developers/studios, and anything related to the ] task force. ] is next on my docket. I'd also like to keep encouraging other peoples' good work, and continue discussions about how to adapt to the collapse of quality video game journalism. ] (]) 18:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| * Keep expanding the quality coverage of ], both by removing and merging superfluous content, and by improving the quality of pre-existing articles and bringing them to Good and Featured status. Hoping to get at least one or two more of the species lists up to FL this year, though I'll hopefully complete more than that. ''] Considerer:'' ''']''' (]) (]) 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| * The music world hasn't been holding my interest lately, so I'm planning on continuing to focus on WP:VG related stuff. I plan on splitting my time between more retro stuff (90s ] stuff like the ] games) and new stuff (like everything ] once that's finally revealed.) ] ] 16:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| * I know I'm late to the party, but it would be nice if '']'' passed FAC; I'm planning to take it to TFA for its 10th anniversary. 💽 ] 💽 🌹 ⚧ <sup>(''']''')</sup> 11:36, 16 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Gameplay of Pokemon == | |||
| == Guidance on content relating to of technical and performance issues == | |||
| I was relieved to see such as strong consensus at ]. It's not that we can't find sources, but that it duplicates the same types of content you'd see at ]. With that said, I wanted to check if anyone felt similarly about ] or ]. ] (]) 18:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| The article '']'' contains the text: ''The GOG.com version was subsequently released onto Steam in 2016, but the client-based DRM of Steam has caused that version to suffer from stability and compatibility problems not seen on the original digital version provided by GOG.com.'' The editor originally provided a link to user discussions on the Steam page for the source for this statement. I haven't been able to find any guidance on when an article should (1) address a game's technical or performance issues; and (2) where those issues are not covered by secondary sources, refer to user generated sources. Any help on this would be appreciated. ] (]) 08:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm generally against any of these gameplay/reception/awards type article spin outs. These two examples are much better written and sourced than the ''Pokemon'' was, but I'm still not certain a separate article is required... ] ] 19:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :] is the relevant guidance in this case. Technical and performance issues should only be mentioned when they are detailed by reliable sources. In this case, the performance problem may not necessarily affect all users, so the testimonials of a few players are not necessarily definitive or correct. The performance issues should also be something major so it's not putting undue weight on a minor topic. When a game is borderline unplayable at launch and sources talk about it, that could be included. If it's a patch that introduces a performance problem that is quickly fixed, maybe not. ] (]) 08:40, 12 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::At first blush looking at the above, I'd lean towards saying "no" to standalone articles. From base principles it's highly unlikely the ''gameplay'' of a game is notable ''independent'' of the coverage of the game itself (or a lot of the coverage leans into ]-type stuff) but also I don't see where the level of coverage makes sense for a general encyclopedia. I don't need a blow-by-blow of all the quest types in ''WoW'', for example. ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 19:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks, that's clarified my thinking - appreciate your help in pointing me in the right direction. ] (]) 09:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::Agreed. I was surprised someone felt the need for the ''Dragon Quest'' spinout too. They're fine games, but they're pretty straightforward, ] type games. ] ] 20:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::@]: hi. It is worth noting that Caesar 3 is not a new game in any way at all: it is a game which was released in 1998, so naturally after so much time, bugs and incompatibilities are very likely because of the games’ extreme age. The version on Steam is just a DRM-free version that was modified by GOG way back in 2010, but fundamentally all it is, is a CD copy patched to the latest patch and then minor startup bugs fixed and the DRM removed to ensure it launches with no CD. The game is entirely unsupported and is provided on a “best efforts” basis, meaning any user reports are the only thing that can be used , as there is no development by anyone, other than “does the game start on modern windows? If not, fix the bug”, which is done primarily by GOG. Does this change anything for you in this regard? Thank you. — ] (]) 12:29, 12 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Looks like someone wrote it in 2010 and it hasn't gotten much more than 50 edits of any kind in the 15 years since. --''']]''' 20:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::The actual facts of a situation don't matter much to Misplaced Pages; ultimately the only thing that matters is if ] thought it was a serious enough problem to write about. ] ] (]) 19:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I do believe those are probably better off merged/redirected back to the target. I'm not seeing much in the way of a valid split-out rationale for these that would indicate their gameplay is standalone notable. ''] Considerer:'' ''']''' (]) (]) 00:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :] devotes a ton of space/text to covering every expansion. The rest of it is a more detailed version of ]. It's possible to retool the former as a ] if we decide that's something we want. Otherwise, it seems to suffer the same issues as the rest of the articles at ]. ] (]) 22:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| It kind of echoes my feelings on ]. So much of it is redundant to what's already present at ], and it feels like it'd be better served being merged back into it, or have the EarthBound 64 stuff expanded upon. - ] (]) 20:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ==New Articles (September 4 to September 10)== | |||
| :Personally, I am very fond of these types of articles and the amount of depth they lend to angles on these works. "Gameplay of" articles do tend to be terrible to source tho, and the "Gameplay of ''Pokémon''" article never reached the quality I would hope for it. "Gameplay of ''Dragon Quest''" is particularly odd to me, as it hardly explains mechanics unique to the series and it's pretty short. At least ''Pokémon'' has a swath of fairly unique mechanics that I believe would be really useful to describe in-depth. Perhaps it'd be more of a Wikibooks kind of deal tho, if that project ever worked out. ~] (]) 09:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| *I'll defend ] as save for a few areas, I've made sure it is sourced to reliable secondary sources talking about these gameplay elements to a reasonable depth (of course, most of the that came from the period while there was attention with the Overwatch League and helping viewers understand rules); it also helps alleviate size issues. I consider it compariable to ] which due to similar attention via tourneys has had its rules/gameplay evaluated in depth. For those reasons, I think ] is a reasonably fair split from the main WoW article (which covers more of how big and significant it is to the industry) and just needs a bit more sourcing to make it better. But key on these is the use of secondary sources to show that the gameplay or rules have been discussed beyond simple coverage of the whole game itself. The Pokemon gameplay article had problems with very little sourcing along those lines (though you'd think that should be possible with how big the franchise is). The Dragon Quest case, that seems rather more difficult given the niche of JRPGs. (Common features of JRPGs and CRPGs in general, however, are absolutely fair game in the genre articles). ] (]) 14:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| {{main|Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements}} | |||
| === Live service games === | |||
| <small>A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.15 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --''']]''' 12:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)</small> | |||
| I decided to take ] to AFD based on what appears to be a consensus here. The problem is that "X series" and "Gameplay of X series" have the same scope, just with more ] detail. Masem brought up some points about splitting the gameplay from the Blizzard games, and while I disagree, I think it's worth discussing. I disagree that "Gameplay of WoW" is any less of a redundant fork. But I do see how these games are actually multiple releases and updates over several years. Despite World of Warcraft not being a game series, its history is longer than many game series, with more ] than many series. And yet it doesn't have a "series" article separate from the original release. | |||
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| TLDR: "Gameplay of X series" is redundant with "X series", but long-running live service games might have several expansions/updates without having a separate series article. Is there a way to rename / move these article titles to improve their scope and viability? ] (]) 17:49, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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| :In my mind, the main and perhaps only reason one would ever write a "gameplay of X" article, is when that game or series is played competitively. In such cases, the gameplay is very important separately from the games as commercial products or pieces of art on their own. Graphics and music, development and reception, it all falls away as irrelevant in that field, and you get a fairly separate topic to describe. I don't know if this really makes sense with live-service games. I wouldn't create "Gameplay of Fortnite", I think I would create "History of Fortnite" instead, as this would still be about the product as a whole, not just about its gameplay. ~] (]) 09:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| '''September 4''' | |||
| ::It really depends on the live-service game. I don't think that in terms of any specific mode of Fortnite like Battle Royale has changed significantly over the years, but that there are gameplay elements that come and go during its seasons, so an article here like ] makes sense (in addition to the fact this is also documented in reliable sources). Whereas with Destiny 2, there are significant lasting changes with most of its expansions (also covered by sources) so in that case, the individual expansions serve this (Though in that case, most of those due need a trim). | |||
| *{{Article status|C|Craig the Brute|NegativeMP1}} <small>(was previously a userpage)</small> | |||
| ::Separately, because of how Fortnite transitioned from a single idea to Battle Royale to a metaverse platform, the main Fortnite article is more a history of the product and less about the gameplay changes. ] (]) 13:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|We Are OFK|IgelRM}} | |||
| :::My first reaction to @] and @] is that we might have a separate article for long-standing games with lots of post-release support. I agree that "History of Fortnite" or "Fortnite seasonal events" is a better article/scope than Gameplay of Fortnite. Maplestrip focuses more on competitive games, which is a valid point. I'd say there's a big overlap between competitive games and games-as-service, or other forms of post-release support. | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Connections (2023 video game)|TrademarkedTarantula}} <small>(was previously a draft)</small> | |||
| :::I still feel strongly that "Gameplay of X" is too redundant in scope. But a game with lots of post-release support over many years, like Fortnite or even WoW, might still deserve an additional article to document its evolution. Maybe "List of X expansions" or "List of X updates" or "List of X special events"? I'd be a little nervous about ] here, but for a game with a decade of history and lots of discourse about balance and updates, it's in the right direction. The spirit of my suggestion is supposed to be similar to ], without setting a precedent that every game gets such a list. ] (]) 15:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| *{{Article status|C|BattleBit Remastered|GeneralHamster}} <small>(newly tagged – originally created 1 month ago)</small> | |||
| ::::Key is how reliable sources treat the live service aspect of the game. WOW, Destiny 2, Fortnite, Overwatch -- all have gotten reasonably good coverage of how the game changes, whereas Apex Legends or Valorant may have had that at the start but has significantly waned relative to these.<span id="Masem:1736024145240:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Video_games" class="FTTCmt"> — ] (]) 20:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)</span> | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Endoparasitic (video game)|NegativeMP1}} | |||
| :::::What do you think is a better title for these types of articles? The problem with ] is nearly any notable game would also have secondary sources that cover the gameplay of the game, making it really subjective if we should have one article or two. ] (]) 16:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Shrek: Fairy Tale Freakdown|Angeldeb82}} <small>(was previously a redirect – un-redirected 3 years ago)</small> | |||
| ::::::"List of X seasons", "List of X seasonal events", or "X seasons" or "X seasonal events", the latter if there are sources that broadly discuss the games seasonal structure. ] (]) 16:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == ] source question. == | |||
| '''September 5''' | |||
| *{{Article status|C|Ship of Harkinian|FlotillaFlotsam}} | |||
| *{{Article status|C|Arthas Menethil|Zxcvbnm}} <small>(was previously a redirect)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Garrett (Thief)|Zxcvbnm}} <small>(was previously a redirect)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Ominous Horizons: A Paladin's Calling|Zxcvbnm}} <small>(was previously a redirect)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Sam Fisher (Splinter Cell)|Zxcvbnm}} <small>(was previously a redirect)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Stub|Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor|Czar}} | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|EA Sports WRC|Unnamelessness}} | |||
| Hi. So, I want some confirmation and possible discussion regarding edits made last year to ], ], and the ]. A LOT of wordy information was added by {{u|ERAGON}} citing a book called "''The Making of Tomb Raider''" by someone called Daryl Baxter. IMO, it seemed to me to simply repeat stuff that was already present. I did edits on the OG game's article to incorporate the info on an assumption of good faith (I was in a bad mood that day, explanation for some edits that appeared on TR2's article). | |||
| '''September 6''' | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Foretales|NinjaRobotPirate}} | |||
| *{{Article status|Unassessed|Grand Voyage|LucaLindholm}} | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Katsuya Terada|Frater perdurabo}} <small>(newly tagged – originally created 17 years ago)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Stub|Lunar Rescue (1988 video game)|Muchness}} | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Plug In Digital|NinjaRobotPirate}} | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Tempest Rising|Cortador}} | |||
| My questions are: is this book a reliable source of development information, and if so could the information be incorporated into the articles in a less wordy way? I don't want to do anything on my own beyond what I already did on the OG game. ] (]) 17:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| '''September 7''' | |||
| *{{Article status|List|List of video games with LGBT characters: 2020s|PanagiotisZois}} | |||
| *{{Article status|B|Bomba Patch|Skyshifter}} | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Vitor Vilela|Skyshifter}} <small>(newly tagged – originally created 2 years ago)</small> | |||
| :Hi ProtoDrake. I would say that the book is a reliable source; it is a series of interview transcripts between Baxter and former Core Design staffers. Outside of the book he has interviewed people from the team before for podcasts; there's one of those available . If things are too wordy we can of course edit down. ] (]) 10:21, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| '''September 8''' | |||
| *{{Article status|Stub|Kowloon Nights|IgelRM}} <small>(was previously a draft)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Bangladesh Youth Development & Electronic Sports Association|Shakib69SH}} | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Earl Boen|68.200.109.230}} <small>(newly tagged – originally created 18 years ago)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Stub|Jimmy and the Crawler|Roklif}} <small>(newly tagged – originally created 9 years ago)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Stub|Krondor: Tear of the Gods|Thomgibbard}} <small>(newly tagged – originally created 16 years ago)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Stub|Krondor: The Assassins|Coldetritus}} <small>(newly tagged – originally created 14 years ago)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Stub|Krondor: The Betrayal|Kirkhigdon}} <small>(newly tagged – originally created 14 years ago)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|The Riftwar Legacy|Weskey5644}} <small>(newly tagged – originally created 13 years ago)</small> | |||
| == Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
| '''September 9''' | |||
| ] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 01:03, 11 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Pikmin Finder|Captain Galaxy}} | |||
| *{{Article status|B|The Sims 2: University|Vaticidalprophet}} <small>(was previously a userpage)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Enchanted Portals|Cortador}} | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Roto Force|NinjaRobotPirate}} | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Six Ages 2: Lights Going Out|NinjaRobotPirate}} | |||
| == Unofficially dead Nicalis game == | |||
| '''September 10''' | |||
| On the ] page, we've had ''90s Super GP'' listed for twelve years. There has been no official word from Nicalis since 2015, with only subtle changes, (like the title itself), made. It's still listed on the Nicalis website, but having been in the industry myself, I can attest that the creator is no longer involved and the last expo presence or even rumored stages of development were made in 2019. Do we even list this vaporware at this juncture? ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 00:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| *{{Article status|B|The Sims 2: Nightlife|Vaticidalprophet}} | |||
| *{{Article status|Unassessed|2020 Chicago Huntsmen season|Nitsua99}} <small>(newly tagged – originally created 2 years ago)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Reality Lab|SteveLacey}} <small>(newly tagged – originally created 18 years ago)</small> | |||
| *{{Article status|Start|Ride 5|NinjaRobotPirate}} <small>(was previously a redirect)</small> | |||
| </div> | |||
| :Only if a reliable source calls it vaporware (or cancelled.) I understand your concern in this instance, but if we let editors make this call personally, then we get these overzealous/pessimistic editors declaring games like '']'' or '']'' as vaporware or cancelled games. ] ] 01:29, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Proofread request for article "List of video game modes" == | |||
| ::{{Reply|Sergecross73}} It's good to see you again, Sergecross73. We have a bunch of articles like that pragmatically ask the question, "What the hell happened to '90s Super GP," but none that explicitly calling it "vaporware" or "cancelled". I'd compare it to Half-Life 2: Episode Three, except Valve recently acknowledged that it wasn't going to happen. ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| I would greatly appreciate proofreading and suggestions. Thanks! https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft_talk:List_of_video_game_modes#Suggestions/_Preparation_to_be_Accepted] (]) 21:57, 12 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::This intrigued me, so I made the article at ]. | |||
| :::From what I saw, it's indeed vaporware but not officially cancelled. Such games can resurrect at any point, and the game was even referenced in a subsequent game by that developer. Unless it sees a full cancellation it should be listed as such. BTW, the Nintendo Life article does say it is in "development hell", akin to vaporware. ] (]) 06:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::{{Reply|Zxcvbnm}} Wow, great work! It certainly is one of the most infamous cases of both predatory indie publisher practices and development hell. There's nothing saying it won't ever be released, so maybe we'll eventually see it pushed out eventually? ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 20:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::after all, we got ]... ''']'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">]</span> 05:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
| == New Metacritic design, platform-specific links broken == | |||
| ] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. 💽 ] 💽 🌹 ⚧ <sup>(''']''')</sup> 14:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Can anyone finish this draft about a Chinese video game franchise? == | |||
| Since yesterday, ] has a new design. As part of this, the site has changed its overview format from one page per platform per game to just one per game. For example, '']'' currently links to the following platform-specific URLs: | |||
| <pre> | |||
| https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/grand-theft-auto-v | |||
| https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/grand-theft-auto-v | |||
| https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/grand-theft-auto-v | |||
| ... | |||
| </pre> | |||
| If you access any of them now, they will lead you here: | |||
| <pre>https://www.metacritic.com/game/grand-theft-auto-v/</pre> | |||
| Regardless of which link you used, the platform shown will be the PlayStation 4 (97/100 at 66 reviews). The score shown by default seems to that generated from the most reviews, regardless of whether it has the best score (see where the lesser score has more reviews). This effectively breaks our links for the vast majority of multi-platform games. The platform-specific scores can still be found on the overview pages with all reviews, but again under a new link scheme. Previously, you would have accessed them like so: | |||
| <pre>https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/grand-theft-auto-v/critic-reviews</pre> | |||
| Now, this was changed to: | |||
| <pre>https://www.metacritic.com/game/grand-theft-auto-v/critic-reviews/?platform=playstation-3</pre> | |||
| This begs the question: Do we need to update these links for ''all'' game articles? Do we need to mark them as dead? Should either of these be a bot task? ] []] 10:17, 13 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ]. Abandoned by the student creator, since the course finished. We have three very bad, AfD-asking, articles on related media (animated films) that may be deleted without redirecting if there is no main article for this to be redirected to: ], ] and ]. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 05:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :My guess is that it should be a task for a bot to update all links to the correct format. It seems like it would be simple to do a find and replace and it's not a case where the link actually died. ] (]) 10:39, 13 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::I don't think it's as easy ans f&r because you'd want to merge some citations on multi-platform games, archived refs would need to be re-archived, and I already found where the name-in-link was changed with no working redirect. ] []] 13:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| : It's not a big deal. All the info is right there on the main page now. The only thing missing is the autogenerated text ("mixed or average reviews"), which can still be accessed from that page, even if you need to manually click on each platform to see it. I didn't like the new interface the first time I saw it, and I had visions of having to restore hundreds of broken links. I think it may make things easier for us, though, because of how central most of the information is. If they just fixed it so that the autogenerated text appeared for all the platforms on the main page, it'd be perfect. ] (]) 03:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::If NinjaRobotPirate doesn't think it's a big deal than neither do I. ] <span style="color:#F40">•</span> ] 03:21, 14 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Would be a good thing for people to go through their articles at their convenience and fix, but yeah it's not a critical issue to fix. ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:55, 14 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :It's going to probably need a Chinese speaker. ''']'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">]</span> 05:09, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Alphabetical order at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Video games/Requests == | |||
| ::Likely; I've also posted to WT:CHINA. Sadly, I don't speak Chinese, but the topic seems quite important - it seems like a rather big franchise, with many games, movies, etc. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 05:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::Eh, I'd say it's of low importance to the video games articles scope as a whole. In ] it seems to have a moderately low number of incoming links. There's also an article in Korean that is pretty short. Though, that may just be the article on the first Roco Kingdom game. Tencent is a big company but a lot of this looks like mobile/web games which don't really interest the English-speaking world quite as much. And there are films at the Chinese box office, but I can't find anything about an international release. ''']'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">]</span> 05:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Fair, but considering how big China is, even a China-only franchise, that is reasonably big there but has little international impact, is probably mid-importance for the world. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 06:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::::China being so big means there are a lot of game franchises, some of which may have a bafflingly large interest inside China and little impact outside of China, which makes it hard to write about them because there aren't a lot of English sources that are reliable. Especially Chinese web/mobile games made by Chinese companies with few products or customers overseas. Also, keep in mind the video games project covers not only all the video and computer games ever but all of the people, companies, and in many cases fictional things inside the games. That's a pretty large scope. And since the nature of many web/mobile games in terms of the content and the quality of the material, especially ones made by large Chinese companies such as Tencent, is that they're probably of limited interest for the mainstream ], ] or ] communities in the Anglosphere. For example, I checked out the and I noticed the following badly translated text, "Rock Kingdom is a web game. Come and complete the task, chat with friends, and upgrade for your pets." These ] games are a dime a dozen. It might be of interest to the ] community. It doesn't even have a public subreddit, and it seems that the game itself might not even work outside of China. Yet the film ] grossed 10 million yuan in presale making it the top domestic animation ever in pre-sale. That's pretty crazy. ''']'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">]</span> 07:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::It is Tencent after all, indispensable to the lives of literally E-V-E-R-Y single one Chinese from the young to the elderly. It will be a surprise if the spin-offs become box office bombs. ]] 14:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I forgot to mention the popularity of Tencent games among Chinese people especially those young (should I mention ]?). It is not hard to imagine children, during their summer breaks, begging their parents to bring them to theatres for the film. ]] 14:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hello, your fellow Chinese speaker is always available. ]] 13:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ==New Articles (January 2 to January 12)== | |||
| Is it possible to put everything In Alphabetical order at ] instead of month/year added? I think that would make it easier to navigate.(my opinion) ] (]) 10:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| {{main|Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements}} | |||
| :I am not sure I'd support this, because the date listing emphasizes that the older ones have been waiting longer and should be done sooner. I don't see an obvious purpose behind an alphabetical listing (and it can be searched with Ctrl+F) ] (]) 20:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm not opposed ''per se'', but the list is pretty long, and I wouldn't think it's worth the time and energy to make that change. (Unless you waited until the list was trimmed way down...but I don't know how likely that is either - never seems like the Request Board ever catches on all that widely...) ] ] 21:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::I do think that retro games should have their own section. The sheer amount of ] older games that have been added is liable to drown out the newer titles and make it intimidating to tackle the list. ] (]) 22:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::It could probably use another review and culling of unlikely article creations again. In the past there have been editors who <strike>spammed</strike> added a lot of rather "iffy" articles idea suggestions on there that are unlikely to ever be created (and/or be in a pretty iffy state if anyone attempted to create them.) ] ] 03:29, 14 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| : ] is a semi-curated list of recently released games. You can sort it by a number of different headers, including title, release date, number of user reviews on Steam, and genre. I also listed most of the info you need to write the article. ] (]) 03:51, 14 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::This is a fantastic idea! As an article creator of indie games, this is particularly useful for me to leverage. ] (]) 04:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *Can we address the elephant in the room that the overwhelming majority of the entries are 1980s computer games that were added by two editors, one of whom is banned. These games are virtually lost to time, only covered by contemporary sources that are difficult to acquire. ''*Nobody*'' has any desire to work these requests, so they just accumulate and clog the list. I do understand a lot of work was put into compiling those entries, but its becoming difficult to discern which requests may be different and worth pursuing. '''I propose''' moving 1980s computer games to its own section on the page. ]<sup>]/]</sup> 17:43, 14 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *:Yes, this is what I was alluding to above. I support this. I know that personally, I keep a list of drafts I'm actively planning on working on...and then another list that are essentially "abandoned ideas" that I don't really realistically see myself doing anymore, but I still keep around because I hate to delete the work I did in source hunting. Maybe we need to do something like that? Some sort of old/stale/abandoned/unlikely type section? ] ] 17:58, 14 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *::Perhaps the list should include a sort option for release year. I want to avoid arbitrarily splitting the requests if possible. I think this way, everybody wins. If we reorganize the list as a table too, it can be sorted alphabetically or by date added. | |||
| :::{| class="wikitable sortable plainrowheaders" | |||
| |- | |||
| !scope="col" | Requested | |||
| !scope="col" | Article | |||
| !scope="col" | Release year | |||
| !scope="col" class="unsortable" | Sources | |||
| !scope="col" class="unsortable" | Notes | |||
| |- | |||
| | {{dts|2023-09-14}} | |||
| | ] | |||
| | 1985 | |||
| | | |||
| | Put notes here | |||
| |- | |||
| | {{dts|2023-09-14}} | |||
| | ] | |||
| | 1996 | |||
| | | |||
| | Put notes here | |||
| |- | |||
| | {{dts|2023-09-14}} | |||
| | ] | |||
| | N/A | |||
| | | |||
| | Put notes here | |||
| |} | |||
| :::I will volunteer to do this. I have some upcoming time off work in the coming week. What do people think? Courtesy ping {{ping|BOZ}} ]<sup>]/]</sup> 19:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Although not strictly a requests page, I have made ] as a way of cataloguing independent sources for specific games that could possibly one day be used to build articles. I have been thinking that the VG space could use something like that too (as either a replacement for, or in addition to ]). I definitely don't have the time to put that together, unfortunately, but if you want to use any ideas from my userpage that would be fine. :) ] (]) 19:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I was going to recommend a table like this, especially considering the ability to organize by release year and request date. Maybe we could add an additional way to organize, such as the console it released for? I think that would also inspire people to take a look at it. ] <span style="color:#F40">•</span> ] 16:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::(I would like to mention that Shigeru Miyamoto released in 1952. It's release was overlooked at first but it started to be recognized as a cult classic somewhere around 1977.) ] <span style="color:#F40">•</span> ] 23:32, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| '''Update''' | |||
| *I have completed the first steps of revamping the VG Requests page. I replaced the old list with a sortable table, so you can sort by date requested, article title, release year, or original platform. I have started entering in the release years and platforms, but this is taking time. This brings me to my next point. | |||
| :The list is long. There are 484 requests on the page as of today. There's a large chunk that are 1980s computer games, another large chunk that are modern indie games, and then "the rest". | |||
| :I just want people to know I'm going to go through the list and remove low effort requests. That is, requests that don't provide enough sources so someone can easily complete the request without having to worry about GNG and finding more sources. Some requests only link to questionable sources, or websites that have barely any information. And some requests only link to Moby Games or Metacritic, and the critics they used are few in number or unreliable. Stuff like that. ]<sup>]/]</sup> 04:14, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| <small>A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --''']]''' 18:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :Good work ] (]) 11:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :It looks incredible Tarkus! | |||
| :I do agree with you striking ones without enough linked sources. I support just removing them from the list if there aren't enough sources without even checking to see if there's more out there, just for the sake of bringing down the count in this refresh. ] <span style="color:#F40">•</span> ] 15:36, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I am so ok with seeing the requests getting pared down. It's been a bane for me for years. Especially with the five year old requests ln there. ] 23:10, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::I want to give a special thank you to {{user|Mir Novov}} who finished the grueling work of adding in the original platforms and release years. The request page is now a lot more useful and I implore everyone to check it out. ]<sup>]/]</sup> 06:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| As the article belongs to the ], I thought I share my thoughts in here. I recently reworked the article about the German Computer Game Awards (]). I already opened a topic about a possible name change at the talk page a couple of months ago and got no response (the options are now outdated though). | |||
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| *{{Article status|Start|Pokémon Box: Ruby and Sapphire|Daniel Lawrence}} <small>(newly tagged – originally created 19 years ago)</small> | |||
| '''January 3''' | |||
| There is currently one non-german source that refers to the award as the German Computer Game Awards while the German Games Industry Association ''game'' also uses that translation on their official page. Examples that translate the original language into English are the Czech Game of the Year Awards or Slovak Game of the Year Awards. | |||
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| '''January 4''' | |||
| Can anyone share their thoughts on this? Or maybe tell me what steps I should take on other than using a talk page? I have no previous experience on renaming / moving articles. Thanks! ] (]) 23:29, 17 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| '''January 5''' | |||
| :I think that, as well as , is good enough to invoke ]. You have to start a ] discussion on the article talk page if you want it to be seriously discussed. ] (]) 02:52, 18 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *{{Article status|C|Frogger in Toy Town|Eagowl}} <small>(was previously a redirect)</small> | |||
| ::It looks like there is no serious discussion needed. I will check the beginner guide on how to move a page and will do it soon. Thanks! ] (]) 08:15, 18 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *{{Article status|List|List of Brian Blessed performances|Mika1h}} <small>(was previously a redirect)</small> | |||
| :::If anything, it should be "German Computer Game Award" (singular) per the award's site features. ] []] 08:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| '''January 6''' | |||
| ==New Articles (September 11 to September 17)== | |||
| *{{Article status|C|Seymour Guado|138.89.131.227}} <small>(previously a draft: accepted ] submission)</small> | |||
| {{main|Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements}} | |||
| '''January 7''' | |||
| <small>A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.15 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --''']]''' 20:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)</small> | |||
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| I'm back! --''']]''' 18:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| : |
:Thank you for continuing to maintain this! ] ] 18:44, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
| ::Maybe! We've had "21 years ago" 3 other times- ], ], and ], but I haven't checked where in the year range they actually fell. --''']]''' 15:43, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::I checked out of curiosity, since this would also make the winner the oldest article recognized by WPVG: | |||
| :::* '''WarGames:''' First edit 06:01, 24 January 2002 | |||
| :::* {{color|#732b14|'''Apple Inc.:''' First edit 08:19, 3 November 2001}} | |||
| :::* {{color|#85817f|'''Demoscene:''' First edit 10:27, 11 October 2001}} | |||
| :::* {{color|#c7ab0e|'''George Lucas:''' First edit 14:50, 2 July 2001}} | |||
| :::I'm curious why George Lucas the article is recognized by the project at all. He's only tangentially related to video games due to the property he's made (it would be as if JK Rowling was under the project because of all the Harry Potter games), and the word "video game" isn't even mentioned in his article. Am I missing a better connection between the two? | |||
| :::According to these stats (if I'm wrong about Lucas), that would also make ] the first honorary member of WPVG. ] <span style="color:#F40">•</span> ] 16:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Lucas really shouldn't be tagged, as you mention, and I've removed it. Apple Inc. does seem valid as they've become a pretty huge player in the gaming space, albeit not in the realm more traditionally covered by game journalism (and Misplaced Pages, for that matter.) ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 16:20, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Therefore: | |||
| :::::* {{color|#732b14| '''WarGames:''' First edit 06:01, 24 January 2002}} | |||
| :::::* {{color|#85817f|'''Apple Inc.:''' First edit 08:19, 3 November 2001}} | |||
| :::::* {{color|#c7ab0e|'''Demoscene:''' First edit 10:27, 11 October 2001}} | |||
| :::::] is the first honorary member of WPVG! ] <span style="color:#F40">•</span> ] 16:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: In terms of the gap from when it was created to when it was tagged: | |||
| ::::::* {{color|#732b14| '''WarGames:''' 24 January 2002—19 March 2023: 21 years, 1 month, 23 days}} | |||
| ::::::* {{color|#85817f|'''Demoscene:''' 11 October 2001—24 December, 2022: 21 years, 2 months, 13 days}} | |||
| ::::::* {{color|#c7ab0e|'''Apple Inc.:''' 3 November 2001—13 September, 2023: 21 years, 10 months, 10 days}} | |||
| :::::: So you're right, Apple has had the largest gap so far from creation to tagging. --''']]''' 17:00, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::The ''oldest'' VG article overall will likely be ] itself. The history goes back to March 2001 where some kind of merge occurred, so it will have been even older than that. ] []] 21:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ←) Any opinions on ]? Keep as is or redirect? Sudden announcement and release so lack of significant coverage. I believe there will be a slow and steady release of reviews, but still seems like it will stay a small article that can neatly fit on ]. ] 18:43, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == '']'' == | |||
| :I think it's fine as a stand alone. I've seen a lot of coverage, and there's a fair amount of sourcing and content on the articles. My two cents - an attempt to merge it would likely lead to drawn out discussions that would result in the article being kept. ] ] 20:19, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I would say that the game has definitely received enough coverage to meet GNG. ] (]) 17:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Hey there, I'm currently preparing the article above for FAC; its subject's 10th anniversary is coming up in September. The reviewers at the PR strongly recommended me to look for academic analysis, but I'm unsure if the papers I found (''listed below'') will be sufficient to write enough content for a hypothetical scholarly/academic analysis section. Any help is appreciated. Thank you. <br/><ul><li>{{cite journal |last1=Travers |first1=Sean |title=Nihilism, Violence, and Popular Culture: The Postmodern Psychopath in Toby Fox’s ''Undertale'' |journal=] |date=April 2022 |volume=55 |issue=2 |pages=411–431 |doi=10.1111/jpcu.13120 |url=https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jpcu.13120 |publisher=]}}</li><li>{{cite journal |last1=Veale |first1=Kevin |title='If anyone’s going to ruin your night, it should be you': Responsibility and affective materiality in ''Undertale'' and ''Night in the Woods'' |journal=] |publisher=]|date=1 April 2022 |volume=28 |issue=2 |pages=451–467 |doi=10.1177/13548565211014434 |url=https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/13548565211014434 |access-date=9 January 2025 |language=en |issn=1354-8565}}</li><li>{{cite journal |last1=Cayari |first1=Christopher |title=The Music of ''Undertale'': Participatory Culture, Video Game Music, and Creating Covers for YouTube |journal=International Journal of Education & the Arts |date=2023 |volume=24 |issue=22 |doi=10.26209/ijea24n22}}</li><li>{{cite journal |publisher=]|last1=Elvery |first1=Gabriel |title=Undertale’s Loveable Monsters: Investigating Parasocial Relationships with Non-Player Characters |journal=] |date=June 2023 |volume=18 |issue=4 |pages=475–497 |doi=10.1177/15554120221105464 |url=https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/15554120221105464 |access-date=11 January 2025}}</li></ul><span id="LunaEclipse:1737060623463:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Video_games" class="FTTCmt">— 💽 ] 💽 🌹 ⚧ <sup>(''']''')</sup> 20:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)</span> | |||
| == 3O requested - Notability met for Defold? == | |||
| : There's no real way to string these together into a coherent section. These articles are particularly disparate. I can't find mentions of ''Undertale'' in any recent video-game non-fiction books, nor any other criticism on JSTOR or Project Muse. | |||
| : I gave the article a look over and the prose and sourcing look pretty good. You won't have any issues ironing any issues with this article out at FAC, IMO. — ''''']''''' (]∙]) 22:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::], #1 and #2 are related as they go over ''Undertale''{{'s}} management of responsibility. I can see why #3 and #4 wouldn't work, but the people at the ] said I would have issues with the FAC reviewers if I ever nominated it there without making a scholarly/academic analysis section.<span id="LunaEclipse:1737154818847:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Video_games" class="FTTCmt"> — 💽 ] 💽 🌹 ⚧ <sup>(''']''')</sup> 23:00, 17 January 2025 (UTC)</span> | |||
| :::Actually, judging by the title of #3, it might be useful for the music and fandom sections. I do agree with ImagineTigers's assessment that a hypothetical section on the game's academic analysis might be impossible, but the sources found could potentially be incorporated in the rest of the article. ] (]) 23:20, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::Disagree that you will have significant issues with at FAC. '']'' doesn't have a dedicated "crisis analysis" section; nor do '']'', '']'', or '']''. FAC reviewers cannot oppose a nomination because information that does not exist is missing. That said, I had a look on Google Scholar and did find some more that way, but many of the results there are conference articles or undergrad papers (neither are permissible). You'd be fine if you made a strong attempt to integrate often-cited sourcing elsewhere in the article. — ''''']''''' (]∙]) 00:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::(Happy to see you back around @], by the way!) ] <span style="color:#F40">•</span> ] 19:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :Consider looking at google books. There are a lot of game designers and other media academics who write about these things. I think it's worth having an analysis section (or a subsection or paragraph), even if the sources all talk about different things. A game like Undertale is notable enough that I'm sure there are sources that have discussed it more from an analytical perspective, rather than the usual "good/bad" reception stuff. ] (]) 19:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :: Having a quick look , I can't find anything substantial. Driving for an academic section when the game has no warranted significant coverage by academic is not a good use of an editor's time. High-quality sources should be integrated into the main article. A "scholarly criticism" section would, IMO, be embarrassing on this article. There is just nowhere near enough coverage to warrant a dedicated section. — ''''']''''' (]∙]) 10:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::Just a hunch, but although this game is considered one of the greats, I feel the extreme fame of this game is more along the lines of a cult classic than a critical masterpiece. It's extremely prevalent in internet culture, sure, but as far deep analysis goes, you can only find it in amateur commentary ''within'' the internet circle itself. "Amateur" I use broadly; Game Theory, for example. | |||
| :::I think "scholarly analysis" is best saved for games that are individually notable or defining within the video game medium itself, or is commonly cited as a shining example of an artistic trope. That's why ''The Last of Us'' and ''League of Legends'' don't need one, big as they are. And ''The Origami King'' just ''wishes'' it was special. I think your Cultural impact section more than suffices! ] <span style="color:#F40">•</span> ] 19:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::], Google Books gives me .<span id="LunaEclipse:1737471290673:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Video_games" class="FTTCmt"> — 💽 ] 💽 🌹 ⚧ (she/they) <sup>''']/]'''</sup> 14:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)</span> | |||
| :::I'm a little surprised, but I believe you've done the work. A few scholarly articles would at least get us a short paragraph, which potentially can be its own subsection. I see a lot of hits on google scholar but it can take time to weed out the undergrad student papers and trivial mentions. ] (]) 15:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == The Making of LEGO Island: A Documentary == | |||
| Please see ], looking for a relatively quick support/oppose discussion on whether sourcing has reached levels appropriate for ]. The question is whether enough sustained sigcov has been found. Unfortunately there is a LOT of non-independent sourcing here, but I think we've gotten a good set of sources lined up. The article needs carefully handling due to very heavy COI editing. -- ] (]) 18:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ==The Day of Sigma== | |||
| I've been trying to expand ] but I'm kinda not sure about something. Once the player beats the game, they have access to a 30 minute episode based on the villain's past. Should I elaborate about the episode's plot somewhere like the plot section? Cheers.] (]) 22:01, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, | |||
| == Pokemon Scarlet and Violet: The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero == | |||
| I've been advised to further this to the larger consensus. A was made by Youtuber MattKC regarding the planning, development, and release of ]. The issue, at the present moment, is that this source (while primary) would violate current ] source guidelines. Therefore, I would like further guidance/discussion on this topic, as documentaries (while primary sourced with interviews with developers) like these for niche games are hard to come by and would be further harder to get a bigger/aggregate source to even report on this. | |||
| There is currently a ] on the talk page as to whether or not this DLC deserves an article now that some of it has released. I myself am abstaining from the vote since I don't want to be spoiled from the plot of the DLC. ― ]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">blaze__wolf</sub> 19:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| There is some listed secondary sourcing, such as background clips used from development and Wes Jenkin's own autobiography, most of the work is primary/original interviews with developers on the game. | |||
| :Perhaps I can blank out the plot for now as a compromise? ] (]) 19:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| The current issue this source faces is needing backing/approval for use since this would be included in a current GA article, and would not want to do/harm anything that would lower that GA status. ] (]) 22:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Software infobox for open source games == | |||
| : I honestly believe this should be fine for documentaries like if supporting non-controversial, non-biographical information. There are obvious problems associated with permitting YouTube citations, so there probably has to be additional caveats—e.g., a genuine benefit to the article for linking to it—but I am fine with it in this example in practice. — ''''']''''' (]∙]) 22:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::Another thing of note, as well FYI, is that the youtuber, MattKC, is one of the leading people in ] and preservation of LEGO Island software, allowing for continued use on hardware it was not built for it. Just some more perspective for the director/creator to help rebuff the usefulness/validity of the documentary. ] (]) 22:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::I think that is a fair assessment, but of course, I would like more input on the matter since it would be included in a GA article. I can understand hesitance with setting a precedence and such by allowing this inclusion. But as you said, this would add genuine substance/benefit to the article, which could mean the inclusion of more voices on the article than just director Wes Jenkins. ] (]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :Yeah, as long as it's specifically citing what the developers are saying and not MattKC's own words (unless it's a paraphrasal or something) then it should fall under ] and I would consider it usable. <span style="border:#000000;border:2px solid #000000;padding:2px">'''λ''' ]]</span> 22:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::Within what I would consider creative liberty with the documentary does MattKC speak, mostly giving setup, background, or paraphrased/repeated information from his interviews and research. But a majority of the ~50 min documentary is either people from the project interviews (Matt's prompting/face removed from them talking) talking and/or quoted or audio sections from Wes Jekins or other project people. ] (]) 22:47, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :], I understand the person behind this video is '''literally why you can play this game on a modern PC''', but I personally believe you can just take the sources he used in the video and add them to the article if possible. Citing the documentary would be citing a tertiary-ish source that just combines the already available info out there into a video essay.<span id="LunaEclipse:1737154276659:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Video_games" class="FTTCmt"> — 💽 ] 💽 🌹 ⚧ <sup>(''']''')</sup> 22:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)</span> | |||
| ::Well, the issue with that is, while there are minor secondaries (like Wes Jekins own autobiography or archived old film used for filler spacing), the main idea (which was only going to be used as a See Also/External Link/etc. thing) was to include the '''entire''' thing as all of his interviews '''are''' primary sourcing ] (]) 22:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::], you can '''only''' use those interviews ].<span id="LunaEclipse:1737471387586:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Video_games" class="FTTCmt"> — 💽 ] 💽 🌹 ⚧ (she/they) <sup>''']/]'''</sup> 14:56, 21 January 2025 (UTC)</span> | |||
| == Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
| Hi everyone, | |||
| ] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 23:54, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ==] has been nominated for discussion== | |||
| I noticed that occasionally open source games use the {{tp|Infobox software}}, as in '']'' for instance. Shouldn't these use {{tp|Infobox video game}}? It lists more technical information, which might be more suitable for an open source (or open software) game, but I do not see the benefits of listing coding languages, stable releases, etc. Thoughts? ]. ] 12:44, 22 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">]</div>] has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the ] guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at ''']''' on the ] page.<!-- Template:Cfd-notify--> Thank you. –] (]]) 10:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :A great deal of such examples were done by Shaddim and Codename Lisa, both indef blocked by the community at this time and much of it since reverted. However this particular case was switched from Infobox VG to Infobox Software back in 2007... by another indefinite blocked user. I don't have a strong feeling on it, it can be looked at case by case, but the short answer is it's a video game using a different infobox to provide fields that have been judged unnecessary or inappropriate for video game articles (on basis of MOS:VG and {{tl|Infobox video game}}). I would say take a look at the ''secondary'' sourcing. Is it focusing on the game as game? Or as a project/development effort? The article is drenched in primary and unreliable/userg sources right now. -- ] (]) 12:56, 22 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::I would tend to argue that with true open source projects, fewer of the fields in the VG infobox will be able to filled in (no publisher, rarely any individual credits, etc.) while the software infobox is more complete. You get unusual situations like ] which got commercially published later and thus has a VG infobox. | |||
| ::I would say that we should follow approach like selection of date or English variety - don't change it from what the original author had included without engaging in consensus for that change on the talk page. ] (]) 13:14, 22 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::@] If that's how we should do it, for this particular case the ''original'' infobox was the VG one. But the change over was long long ago. -- ] (]) 13:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::If the change was made yesterday and the user indef blocked, changing it back is fine, but with the age of that change, it is still better to seek consensus to change. But I do think that it is best as a page-by-page decision of which infobox gives the better "picture" of what the game is. ] (]) 14:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :With the Freeciv example, what is the benefit of the software infobox? Stable/beta releases is arguably something we shouldn't cover ''at all'', and certainly don't cover for games, stuff like the git repo is irrelevant since there's already an official link for the site on the page, the languages are irrelevant unless significantly covered by secondary sources, etc. Seems like bloat that would be solved with a video game infobox in this case. ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 20:12, 22 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Using box art images == | |||
| Hi, I'm wanting to edit the ] page to include an image of the back box art, but not sure how to navigate it regarding copyright and licensing. I've posted on that talk page, but just to paste it here for ease: | |||
| I want to add to show the back cover for the game. I am aware that the game cover itself is likely copyrighted material, and I also am not sure how the licensing works being derived from GameFAQs as well. I saw that there's ], but am not sure how simple or nuanced it would be to add an image from another source. | |||
| Thanks :] <>< ] (]) 11:26, 23 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Unless there is some significant discussion from sources about the back cover of a game, we never include back cover art. The front cover is used for identification of the game and is allowed, but that's it. --] (]) 13:23, 23 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Masem and @] - got it, thank you for letting me know. | |||
| ::@] my reasoning was that it contains some information about the gameplay so would be a direct source to show, and in general would just be more data to show to 'flesh out' the article. However with reasoning given by others, yeah I won't do that - I'll just try and source the information otherwise. | |||
| ::Thanks! <>< ] (]) 19:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::Let's say the back of the box says "Contains over 40 rad levels!" and it's the only place that info is stated, you can technically source it to the game without actually using the image in question. It's fairly rare that the back of the box has useful information (at least compared to, say, the manual) but in any event, the image itself doesn't have to be used. ] (]) 19:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Why did you want to do that? ] ] 14:02, 23 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :There's pretty much no reason to ever add back cover art unless it's specifically discussed, that would go against fair use (using the minimum copyrighted images necessary). ] (]) 17:21, 23 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :MobyGames is permitted as an external link via template (which has a cover database). ] (]) 23:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| As in the article link, ] has been nominated for deletion. Bringing up here and at the Square Enix WikiProject so general and specific input can be brought. I'm not sure how to go with this, and the tone of the nom kinda threw me off speaking honestly. If it ends up being deleted, all well and good, but comments required. ] (]) 12:52, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Portal:Video games == | |||
| I'd like to float a discussion here to the project, regarding the maintenance and continued existence of ]. With over 110,000 incoming links, it is one of the most linked subject specific portals and garners relatively high views compared to many others. Unfortunately, "relatively" means those 110,000 links result in only 200 views a day. A few years ago, much of the portal infrastructure was revamped and automated, so that the front pages would not require constant maintenance. However, it still requires various subpages to be populated and updated. The FA and GA sections stay up-to-date because they feed off our own maintained project subpages. However, the "Selected Pictures" are fed by a subpage that doesn't seem to have been maintained since ~2008-2009. The DKY list seems to have not been updated since it was created in 2016. The "This month in video gaming" subpages appear to have gone unmaintained since ~2008-2009 as well. The "Selected Topics" haven't been updated since ~2012-2014 (This one is difficult to check as it requires looking at dozens of subpages). The "General Images" carousel is fed by just 5 pages and essentially static (Early history of video games, History of video games, History of arcade video games, History of video game consoles, Video game). | |||
| This project is, nominally, responsible for maintaining this portal. So the question is... do we want to? Are we going to? If the project has a consensus that this portal will not or is not maintained, I plan to submit an MfD for it's deletion. To be clear, this discussion itself cannot result in the portal being deleted. It's to gauge where the project sits before going to the wider community for MfD. -- ] (]) 15:28, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I find portals in general to be pointless, and unmaintained ones even more so. I'd be in favor of deleting this. --''']]''' 17:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Same. I feel they're like categories as in editors greatly overestimate their use by general readership. Most people probably don't even know they exist. ] ] 18:53, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::Seconded. I've never seen a point in portals and I wouldn't be mad if they were deprecated project-wide. Let's start by deleting this one. ] []] 22:07, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :It is never discussed. It is not maintained. It serves no purpose. Delete. ]<sup>]/]</sup> 19:28, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I agree with deleting it. It's clearly not serving its intended purpose, both in terms of features (a lot has changed in video gaming since the various sections were maintained) and in terms of readership. ― <kbd style="font-size:85%">] ] ]</kbd> 21:35, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :'''''Down with the portals! Revolution!''''' per nom. ] <span style="color:#F40">•</span> ] 21:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' Maybe it's running on fumes, but 300 views still means 300 people believe the Video Games Portal is an interesting thing to click on. The philosophy of Misplaced Pages is to ], which means, why not do the maintenance other people didn't? You'd be making those 300 people happier rather than saddening them that the portal is now gone. ] (]) 22:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *:Being bold is about making edits you want to make without agonizing over it, because they can always be fixed if there's an issue. It's not "do things you don't want to do and don't want to volunteer for". If no one is doing the work, it languishes and is a disservice to anyone clicking on it. People click because we have over 110,000 articles that show a highlighted navigation box saying "Go here!". It's unfortunate all we know is they clicked and not how disappointed they were. -- ] (]) 22:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *:I keep re-reading ferret's original comment trying to figure which part of it would inspire this sort of response. They're laying out a case for its overall irrelevance and deletion, and you suggest ''they'' clean it up instead? What? ] ] 22:20, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I agree with the others. Never knew the portal(s) existed, and it appears that this portal is relatively unknown by even Misplaced Pages users, judging by the fact that it has only 200 views a day despite over 100,000+ pages having a link to it somewhere. Seeing that it has hardly been updated in years. unless someone intends to steward it for a long time in the future, I would delete it/mark it as historical. ] ] 22:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Delete it. Anything salvageable can be moved into the WikiProjet page instead (or perhaps ]), although I'm not sure there's even anything to salvage. (Alternatively, redirecting to ] is acceptable, with it being a hard redirect that only a DRV could reverse.) ] (]) 00:53, 26 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| * It has so many inbound links and still gets some views, and it is a pretty nice "front page for video games on wikipedia". Maybe we should just remove the sections whose maintenance cannot be automated. <span style="background:black;padding:1px 4px">] ]</span> 04:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| **Just watchlisted the article. Articles about upcoming stuff tend to cause ] disruptive editing and/or vandalism.<span id="LunaEclipse:1737501809532:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Video_games" class="FTTCmt"> — 💽 ] 💽 🌹 ⚧ (she/they) <sup>''']/]'''</sup> 23:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)</span> | |||
| ::I'm..uh...no expert on the subject matter, but should those two similarly themed 'Pokemon'' articles be merged? ] ] 22:28, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::I translated the doujinshi incident page from ja.wiki. IMO, it's independently notable, having had a great impact on the doujinshi industry and receiving significant coverage in Japanese. If it was merged, I think it would be a little strange for the ] article, which is a more general topic, to talk so extensively about a specific 1999 incident. At the moment, I think it has enough content to be its own article. <big>]</big> ] 22:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Gotcha. Both are pretty short, so I just felt like the "content area" was being spread a bit thin is all. ] ] 23:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::While I am unsure if there's a good place to merge them right now, I think we'd be far better off with a ] article that includes such subject matter within it than an article like that with such a limited scope. It would be structured in the same way as others from ]. ] (]) 04:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| There are some weird redirects after the creation of recent Sims 2 expansion articles: ], ], ], ]. Should their ]? --] (]) 00:08, 26 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Yeah... that's uh, not really the way it should have been done. {{u|Vaticidalprophet}} this isn't really proper. The old pages should be moved back, and then a proper histmerge done. -- ] (]) 00:13, 26 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Sure, yep -- do whatever needs doing. There's not many good non-admin ways to manage the histories here, so my intent was to move them out of the way while working on the articles (which I originally only intended to take a week or so) then request histmerges once that was done. I still expect the whole series will be done in a couple weeks or so, so I was still planning on making that req once it was finished. Having said that, to make it clear, currently the main ] article needs those histories pointed there for attribution, because it was made of merging those versions -- I'm not sure it'd be proper to do the histmerges right now while that article hasn't yet been rewritten? Genuinely 'not sure', to be clear. | |||
| ::<small>Also, is there some way to turn off notifications for these without muting Pres?</small> ]] 00:29, 26 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::<small>I've just added a bit to the script to not tag specific people, with your username included, so next time you won't be notified. --''']]''' 00:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :::Wait, sorry, to explain the situation in further depth: | |||
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Your Wikiproject Video Games New Years Resolution
I'm aware that I recently did a "non-productive post" above (as my haters call them) but I thought this would be fun. After all, who doesn't love an icebreaker? I don't!
What's your Misplaced Pages-related resolution for 2025? What new projects, achievements, or goals do you want to get done in the new year? Then we can look back and see both the people who conquered their goals and the people we should leave behind for 2026.
- 2024 was a pretty lame work year for me. I'm going to get Mario to GA in 2025, I promise. I'm certain one year is enough cushion for me to actually do something. Panini! • 🥪 04:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm hoping to finally get Super Kirby Clash to GA this year. QuicoleJR (talk) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Outside real-world stuff, finish bringing the Fatal Frame/Project Zero series and its entries to GA status (don't think I'll try for a GT as my last two GTs were very neatly stalled by the sudden creation of an article with insisted inclusion) --ProtoDrake (talk) 07:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't have nearly as much time as I had during the pandemic. But I'd like to take a couple more articles to GA or FA. Areas I'm still interested in: historic games, historic game developers/studios, and anything related to the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Video_games/Video_game_characters task force. Kim Kitsuragi is next on my docket. I'd also like to keep encouraging other peoples' good work, and continue discussions about how to adapt to the collapse of quality video game journalism. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep expanding the quality coverage of WP:POKEMON, both by removing and merging superfluous content, and by improving the quality of pre-existing articles and bringing them to Good and Featured status. Hoping to get at least one or two more of the species lists up to FL this year, though I'll hopefully complete more than that. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- The music world hasn't been holding my interest lately, so I'm planning on continuing to focus on WP:VG related stuff. I plan on splitting my time between more retro stuff (90s Sega stuff like the Sega Saturn games) and new stuff (like everything Nintendo Switch 2 once that's finally revealed.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- I know I'm late to the party, but it would be nice if Undertale passed FAC; I'm planning to take it to TFA for its 10th anniversary. 💽 🌙Eclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ 11:36, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
Gameplay of Pokemon
I was relieved to see such as strong consensus at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gameplay of Pokémon. It's not that we can't find sources, but that it duplicates the same types of content you'd see at Pokémon (video game series). With that said, I wanted to check if anyone felt similarly about Gameplay of World of Warcraft or Gameplay of Dragon Quest. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm generally against any of these gameplay/reception/awards type article spin outs. These two examples are much better written and sourced than the Pokemon was, but I'm still not certain a separate article is required... Sergecross73 msg me 19:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- At first blush looking at the above, I'd lean towards saying "no" to standalone articles. From base principles it's highly unlikely the gameplay of a game is notable independent of the coverage of the game itself (or a lot of the coverage leans into WP:ROUTINE-type stuff) but also I don't see where the level of coverage makes sense for a general encyclopedia. I don't need a blow-by-blow of all the quest types in WoW, for example. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 19:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed. I was surprised someone felt the need for the Dragon Quest spinout too. They're fine games, but they're pretty straightforward, "meat and potatoes" type games. Sergecross73 msg me 20:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Looks like someone wrote it in 2010 and it hasn't gotten much more than 50 edits of any kind in the 15 years since. --PresN 20:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed. I was surprised someone felt the need for the Dragon Quest spinout too. They're fine games, but they're pretty straightforward, "meat and potatoes" type games. Sergecross73 msg me 20:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- At first blush looking at the above, I'd lean towards saying "no" to standalone articles. From base principles it's highly unlikely the gameplay of a game is notable independent of the coverage of the game itself (or a lot of the coverage leans into WP:ROUTINE-type stuff) but also I don't see where the level of coverage makes sense for a general encyclopedia. I don't need a blow-by-blow of all the quest types in WoW, for example. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 19:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I do believe those are probably better off merged/redirected back to the target. I'm not seeing much in the way of a valid split-out rationale for these that would indicate their gameplay is standalone notable. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 00:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Gameplay of Hearthstone devotes a ton of space/text to covering every expansion. The rest of it is a more detailed version of Hearthstone#Gameplay. It's possible to retool the former as a List of Hearthstone expansions if we decide that's something we want. Otherwise, it seems to suffer the same issues as the rest of the articles at Category:Gameplay of specific video games. Axem Titanium (talk) 22:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
It kind of echoes my feelings on Development of Mother 3. So much of it is redundant to what's already present at Mother 3, and it feels like it'd be better served being merged back into it, or have the EarthBound 64 stuff expanded upon. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 20:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Personally, I am very fond of these types of articles and the amount of depth they lend to angles on these works. "Gameplay of" articles do tend to be terrible to source tho, and the "Gameplay of Pokémon" article never reached the quality I would hope for it. "Gameplay of Dragon Quest" is particularly odd to me, as it hardly explains mechanics unique to the series and it's pretty short. At least Pokémon has a swath of fairly unique mechanics that I believe would be really useful to describe in-depth. Perhaps it'd be more of a Wikibooks kind of deal tho, if that project ever worked out. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'll defend Gameplay of Overwatch as save for a few areas, I've made sure it is sourced to reliable secondary sources talking about these gameplay elements to a reasonable depth (of course, most of the that came from the period while there was attention with the Overwatch League and helping viewers understand rules); it also helps alleviate size issues. I consider it compariable to Magic: The Gathering rules which due to similar attention via tourneys has had its rules/gameplay evaluated in depth. For those reasons, I think Gameplay of World of Warcraft is a reasonably fair split from the main WoW article (which covers more of how big and significant it is to the industry) and just needs a bit more sourcing to make it better. But key on these is the use of secondary sources to show that the gameplay or rules have been discussed beyond simple coverage of the whole game itself. The Pokemon gameplay article had problems with very little sourcing along those lines (though you'd think that should be possible with how big the franchise is). The Dragon Quest case, that seems rather more difficult given the niche of JRPGs. (Common features of JRPGs and CRPGs in general, however, are absolutely fair game in the genre articles). Masem (t) 14:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Live service games
I decided to take Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gameplay of Dragon Quest to AFD based on what appears to be a consensus here. The problem is that "X series" and "Gameplay of X series" have the same scope, just with more WP:GAMEGUIDE detail. Masem brought up some points about splitting the gameplay from the Blizzard games, and while I disagree, I think it's worth discussing. I disagree that "Gameplay of WoW" is any less of a redundant fork. But I do see how these games are actually multiple releases and updates over several years. Despite World of Warcraft not being a game series, its history is longer than many game series, with more Category:World of Warcraft expansion packs than many series. And yet it doesn't have a "series" article separate from the original release.
TLDR: "Gameplay of X series" is redundant with "X series", but long-running live service games might have several expansions/updates without having a separate series article. Is there a way to rename / move these article titles to improve their scope and viability? Shooterwalker (talk) 17:49, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- In my mind, the main and perhaps only reason one would ever write a "gameplay of X" article, is when that game or series is played competitively. In such cases, the gameplay is very important separately from the games as commercial products or pieces of art on their own. Graphics and music, development and reception, it all falls away as irrelevant in that field, and you get a fairly separate topic to describe. I don't know if this really makes sense with live-service games. I wouldn't create "Gameplay of Fortnite", I think I would create "History of Fortnite" instead, as this would still be about the product as a whole, not just about its gameplay. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- It really depends on the live-service game. I don't think that in terms of any specific mode of Fortnite like Battle Royale has changed significantly over the years, but that there are gameplay elements that come and go during its seasons, so an article here like Fortnite seasonal events makes sense (in addition to the fact this is also documented in reliable sources). Whereas with Destiny 2, there are significant lasting changes with most of its expansions (also covered by sources) so in that case, the individual expansions serve this (Though in that case, most of those due need a trim).
- Separately, because of how Fortnite transitioned from a single idea to Battle Royale to a metaverse platform, the main Fortnite article is more a history of the product and less about the gameplay changes. Masem (t) 13:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- My first reaction to @Maplestrip and @Masem is that we might have a separate article for long-standing games with lots of post-release support. I agree that "History of Fortnite" or "Fortnite seasonal events" is a better article/scope than Gameplay of Fortnite. Maplestrip focuses more on competitive games, which is a valid point. I'd say there's a big overlap between competitive games and games-as-service, or other forms of post-release support.
- I still feel strongly that "Gameplay of X" is too redundant in scope. But a game with lots of post-release support over many years, like Fortnite or even WoW, might still deserve an additional article to document its evolution. Maybe "List of X expansions" or "List of X updates" or "List of X special events"? I'd be a little nervous about WP:CHANGELOG here, but for a game with a decade of history and lots of discourse about balance and updates, it's in the right direction. The spirit of my suggestion is supposed to be similar to List of Game of Thrones episodes, without setting a precedent that every game gets such a list. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Key is how reliable sources treat the live service aspect of the game. WOW, Destiny 2, Fortnite, Overwatch -- all have gotten reasonably good coverage of how the game changes, whereas Apex Legends or Valorant may have had that at the start but has significantly waned relative to these. — Masem (t) 20:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- What do you think is a better title for these types of articles? The problem with Gameplay of X is nearly any notable game would also have secondary sources that cover the gameplay of the game, making it really subjective if we should have one article or two. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- "List of X seasons", "List of X seasonal events", or "X seasons" or "X seasonal events", the latter if there are sources that broadly discuss the games seasonal structure. Masem (t) 16:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- What do you think is a better title for these types of articles? The problem with Gameplay of X is nearly any notable game would also have secondary sources that cover the gameplay of the game, making it really subjective if we should have one article or two. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Key is how reliable sources treat the live service aspect of the game. WOW, Destiny 2, Fortnite, Overwatch -- all have gotten reasonably good coverage of how the game changes, whereas Apex Legends or Valorant may have had that at the start but has significantly waned relative to these. — Masem (t) 20:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Tomb Raider source question.
Hi. So, I want some confirmation and possible discussion regarding edits made last year to Tomb Raider (1996 video game), Tomb Raider II, and the main series article. A LOT of wordy information was added by ERAGON citing a book called "The Making of Tomb Raider" by someone called Daryl Baxter. IMO, it seemed to me to simply repeat stuff that was already present. I did edits on the OG game's article to incorporate the info on an assumption of good faith (I was in a bad mood that day, explanation for some edits that appeared on TR2's article).
My questions are: is this book a reliable source of development information, and if so could the information be incorporated into the articles in a less wordy way? I don't want to do anything on my own beyond what I already did on the OG game. ProtoDrake (talk) 17:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi ProtoDrake. I would say that the book is a reliable source; it is a series of interview transcripts between Baxter and former Core Design staffers. Outside of the book he has interviewed people from the team before for podcasts; there's one of those available here. If things are too wordy we can of course edit down. ERAGON (talk) 10:21, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Dynasty Warriors 4
Dynasty Warriors 4 has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 01:03, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
Unofficially dead Nicalis game
On the Nicalis page, we've had 90s Super GP listed for twelve years. There has been no official word from Nicalis since 2015, with only subtle changes, (like the title itself), made. It's still listed on the Nicalis website, but having been in the industry myself, I can attest that the creator is no longer involved and the last expo presence or even rumored stages of development were made in 2019. Do we even list this vaporware at this juncture? BOTTO (T•C) 00:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Only if a reliable source calls it vaporware (or cancelled.) I understand your concern in this instance, but if we let editors make this call personally, then we get these overzealous/pessimistic editors declaring games like Metroid Prime 4 or Shin Megami Tensei V as vaporware or cancelled games. Sergecross73 msg me 01:29, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Sergecross73: It's good to see you again, Sergecross73. We have a bunch of articles like this one that pragmatically ask the question, "What the hell happened to '90s Super GP," but none that explicitly calling it "vaporware" or "cancelled". I'd compare it to Half-Life 2: Episode Three, except Valve recently acknowledged that it wasn't going to happen. BOTTO (T•C) 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- This intrigued me, so I made the article at '90s Super GP.
- From what I saw, it's indeed vaporware but not officially cancelled. Such games can resurrect at any point, and the game was even referenced in a subsequent game by that developer. Unless it sees a full cancellation it should be listed as such. BTW, the Nintendo Life article does say it is in "development hell", akin to vaporware. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Zxcvbnm: Wow, great work! It certainly is one of the most infamous cases of both predatory indie publisher practices and development hell. There's nothing saying it won't ever be released, so maybe we'll eventually see it pushed out eventually? BOTTO (T•C) 20:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- after all, we got Metroid Dread... Andre🚐 05:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Sergecross73: It's good to see you again, Sergecross73. We have a bunch of articles like this one that pragmatically ask the question, "What the hell happened to '90s Super GP," but none that explicitly calling it "vaporware" or "cancelled". I'd compare it to Half-Life 2: Episode Three, except Valve recently acknowledged that it wasn't going to happen. BOTTO (T•C) 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Steam (service)
Steam (service) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ 14:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Can anyone finish this draft about a Chinese video game franchise?
Draft:Roco Kingdom (game). Abandoned by the student creator, since the course finished. We have three very bad, AfD-asking, articles on related media (animated films) that may be deleted without redirecting if there is no main article for this to be redirected to: Roco Kingdom: The Desire of Dragon, Roco Kingdom 3 and Roco Kingdom 4. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's going to probably need a Chinese speaker. Andre🚐 05:09, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Likely; I've also posted to WT:CHINA. Sadly, I don't speak Chinese, but the topic seems quite important - it seems like a rather big franchise, with many games, movies, etc. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Eh, I'd say it's of low importance to the video games articles scope as a whole. In zh:洛克王国 it seems to have a moderately low number of incoming links. There's also an article in Korean that is pretty short. Though, that may just be the article on the first Roco Kingdom game. Tencent is a big company but a lot of this looks like mobile/web games which don't really interest the English-speaking world quite as much. And there are films at the Chinese box office, but I can't find anything about an international release. Andre🚐 05:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Fair, but considering how big China is, even a China-only franchise, that is reasonably big there but has little international impact, is probably mid-importance for the world. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- China being so big means there are a lot of game franchises, some of which may have a bafflingly large interest inside China and little impact outside of China, which makes it hard to write about them because there aren't a lot of English sources that are reliable. Especially Chinese web/mobile games made by Chinese companies with few products or customers overseas. Also, keep in mind the video games project covers not only all the video and computer games ever but all of the people, companies, and in many cases fictional things inside the games. That's a pretty large scope. And since the nature of many web/mobile games in terms of the content and the quality of the material, especially ones made by large Chinese companies such as Tencent, is that they're probably of limited interest for the mainstream AAA game, indie game or retro game communities in the Anglosphere. For example, I checked out the Roco Fandom site and I noticed the following badly translated text, "Rock Kingdom is a web game. Come and complete the task, chat with friends, and upgrade for your pets." These virtual pet games are a dime a dozen. It might be of interest to the gacha game community. It doesn't even have a public subreddit, and it seems that the game itself might not even work outside of China. Yet the film Roco Kingdom 4 grossed 10 million yuan in presale making it the top domestic animation ever in pre-sale. That's pretty crazy. Andre🚐 07:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- It is Tencent after all, indispensable to the lives of literally E-V-E-R-Y single one Chinese from the young to the elderly. It will be a surprise if the spin-offs become box office bombs. MilkyDefer 14:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I forgot to mention the popularity of Tencent games among Chinese people especially those young (should I mention Honor of Kings?). It is not hard to imagine children, during their summer breaks, begging their parents to bring them to theatres for the film. MilkyDefer 14:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- China being so big means there are a lot of game franchises, some of which may have a bafflingly large interest inside China and little impact outside of China, which makes it hard to write about them because there aren't a lot of English sources that are reliable. Especially Chinese web/mobile games made by Chinese companies with few products or customers overseas. Also, keep in mind the video games project covers not only all the video and computer games ever but all of the people, companies, and in many cases fictional things inside the games. That's a pretty large scope. And since the nature of many web/mobile games in terms of the content and the quality of the material, especially ones made by large Chinese companies such as Tencent, is that they're probably of limited interest for the mainstream AAA game, indie game or retro game communities in the Anglosphere. For example, I checked out the Roco Fandom site and I noticed the following badly translated text, "Rock Kingdom is a web game. Come and complete the task, chat with friends, and upgrade for your pets." These virtual pet games are a dime a dozen. It might be of interest to the gacha game community. It doesn't even have a public subreddit, and it seems that the game itself might not even work outside of China. Yet the film Roco Kingdom 4 grossed 10 million yuan in presale making it the top domestic animation ever in pre-sale. That's pretty crazy. Andre🚐 07:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Fair, but considering how big China is, even a China-only franchise, that is reasonably big there but has little international impact, is probably mid-importance for the world. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Eh, I'd say it's of low importance to the video games articles scope as a whole. In zh:洛克王国 it seems to have a moderately low number of incoming links. There's also an article in Korean that is pretty short. Though, that may just be the article on the first Roco Kingdom game. Tencent is a big company but a lot of this looks like mobile/web games which don't really interest the English-speaking world quite as much. And there are films at the Chinese box office, but I can't find anything about an international release. Andre🚐 05:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, your fellow Chinese speaker is always available. MilkyDefer 13:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Likely; I've also posted to WT:CHINA. Sadly, I don't speak Chinese, but the topic seems quite important - it seems like a rather big franchise, with many games, movies, etc. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
New Articles (January 2 to January 12)
Main page: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Video games/New article announcementsA listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 18:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Articles deleted/removed: Alex Shrub, Brawly, Brawly (Pokemon), Brawly (Pokémon), Byron (Pokémon), Candice (Pokémon), Fantina (Pokémon), Flannery (Pokemon), Flannery (Pokémon), Gardenia (Pokémon), Gardenia (fictional character), Kyo (Pokemon), Kyo (Pokémon), Maylene (Pokémon), Phoebe (Pokémon), Roark (Pokémon), Roxanne (Pokemon), Roxanne (Pokémon), Sidney (Pokémon), Tate & Liza, Tate and Liza, Volkner (Pokémon), Wattson, Wattson (Pokemon), Wattson (Pokémon), Winona (Pokemon), Winona (Pokémon), Games for Good, Heroic Games Launcher, Nebulae (video game), Rainbow Computing, RealFlight, Samsung SPH-B5200, Wings of Vi, Just Dance 6, Christian Allen
- Drafts deleted/removed: Draft:Beyond All Reason, Draft:3lb Games, Draft:Mordhau Server Kings And Men, Draft:Mutation ( videogame ), Draft:Bopl Battle, Draft:Horizon (upcoming TV series), Draft:Palsu 3D, Draft:The Phantom Fellows, Draft:.45 Parabellum Bloodhound, Draft:Pretendo Network, Draft:Honor Of Nations, Draft:Oopdreams software, Inc, Draft:Untitled Resident Evil Village sequel, Draft:Don't Even Think, Draft:Falsora
- Articles redirected: Gameplay of Dragon Quest, Star Wars Republic Commando (series), David Gordon (software entrepreneur), List of Pokémon volumes, Red Barrels, Disney's Animated Storybook: 101 Dalmatians, Real War (video game), Amuze, Pokémon Home, Sky (video game), Tekken Hybrid
- Categories deleted/removed: Amuze games, MMORPGs by status, Massively multiplayer online games by status, Roller coaster simulation games, Video game video content, Works featuring video games
- New categories: DreamWorks Pictures video games — Vinnylospo, Red Lemon Studios games — Waxworker, TamTam games — Waxworker, Maxis user templates — Catfurball, Pikmin user templates — Catfurball, Real-time strategy video game user templates — Catfurball, Strategy video game user templates — Catfurball, Turn-based strategy video game user templates — Catfurball, Czech video game composers — Mochgamen1 (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Irish video game composers — MagicMason1000 (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Polish video game composers — MagicMason1000 (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Team .366 games — Waxworker, Triband games — Waxworker, Triad video games — Mika1h
- New templates: {{Psyonix}} — WikiPediaAid (newly tagged - originally created 28 days ago), {{Dofus}} — Nall
January 2
Evo 2023 (edit talk links history) — Thepatrick01- Evo 2024 (edit talk links history) — Thepatrick01
Julia Voth (edit talk links history) — Kiwipat (newly tagged – originally created 15 years ago)- Pokémon Box: Ruby and Sapphire (edit talk links history) — Daniel Lawrence (newly tagged – originally created 19 years ago)
January 3
- Pinball FX (2023 video game) (edit talk links history) — Wilbers (previously a draft: accepted AfC submission)
KayPea (edit talk links history) — Samsmachado- Nobody Wants to Die (edit talk links history) — Vrxces
- Ocean Trader (video game) (edit talk links history) — Liandrei
- Yu-Gi-Oh! Legacy of the Duelist (edit talk links history) — Timur9008 (was previously a redirect)
January 4
- Canvas: Sepia-iro no Motif (edit talk links history) — Eggunogguchan
- Nex Playground (edit talk links history) — MrKaraRocks (previously a draft: undrafted by original creator)
January 5
- Frogger in Toy Town (edit talk links history) — Eagowl (was previously a redirect)
List of Brian Blessed performances (edit talk links history) — Mika1h (was previously a redirect)
Duolingo (edit talk links history) — Huyzin (newly tagged – originally created 13 years ago)- GeoGuessr World Cup (edit talk links history) — TomasVial (was previously a redirect – un-redirected 3 months ago)
- Screaming Wings (edit talk links history) — Griggorio2
January 6
- Seymour Guado (edit talk links history) — 138.89.131.227 (previously a draft: accepted AfC submission)
January 7
- Shujinkou (edit talk links history) — Julian Michael Rice
- Volcano (1985 video game) (edit talk links history) — Zoq-Fot-Pik (newly tagged – originally created 5 months ago)
- Cat Cafe Manager (edit talk links history) — QuicoleJR
- HMV (edit talk links history) — 195.172.233.18 (newly tagged – originally created 20 years ago)
- The Prince (1984 game) (edit talk links history) — Zoq-Fot-Pik
January 8
- Love and Deepspace (edit talk links history) — EleniXDD
- AYSO Soccer '97 (edit talk links history) — Timur9008
January 9
January 10
January 11
- 28th Annual D.I.C.E. Awards (edit talk links history) — MR.RockGamer17 (was previously a redirect)
- Farbrausch (edit talk links history) — 139.165.203.195 (newly tagged – originally created 20 years ago)
- Skydance's Behemoth (edit talk links history) — OceanHok
January 12
- 2025 LCK season (edit talk links history) — Swishpav25
- Cross Tantei Monogatari (edit talk links history) — Everythingwii (previously a draft: accepted AfC submission)
- '90s Super GP (edit talk links history) — Zxcvbnm
- 2025 LPL season (edit talk links history) — Swishpav25
I'm back! --PresN 18:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for continuing to maintain this! Sergecross73 msg me 18:44, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Undertale
Hey there, I'm currently preparing the article above for FAC; its subject's 10th anniversary is coming up in September. The reviewers at the PR strongly recommended me to look for academic analysis, but I'm unsure if the papers I found (listed below) will be sufficient to write enough content for a hypothetical scholarly/academic analysis section. Any help is appreciated. Thank you.
- Travers, Sean (April 2022). "Nihilism, Violence, and Popular Culture: The Postmodern Psychopath in Toby Fox's Undertale". The Journal of Popular Culture. 55 (2). Wiley: 411–431. doi:10.1111/jpcu.13120.
- Veale, Kevin (1 April 2022). "'If anyone's going to ruin your night, it should be you': Responsibility and affective materiality in Undertale and Night in the Woods". Convergence. 28 (2). Sage: 451–467. doi:10.1177/13548565211014434. ISSN 1354-8565. Retrieved 9 January 2025.
- Cayari, Christopher (2023). "The Music of Undertale: Participatory Culture, Video Game Music, and Creating Covers for YouTube". International Journal of Education & the Arts. 24 (22). doi:10.26209/ijea24n22.
- Elvery, Gabriel (June 2023). "Undertale's Loveable Monsters: Investigating Parasocial Relationships with Non-Player Characters". Games and Culture. 18 (4). Sage: 475–497. doi:10.1177/15554120221105464. Retrieved 11 January 2025.
— 💽 🌙Eclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ 20:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- There's no real way to string these together into a coherent section. These articles are particularly disparate. I can't find mentions of Undertale in any recent video-game non-fiction books, nor any other criticism on JSTOR or Project Muse.
- I gave the article a look over and the prose and sourcing look pretty good. You won't have any issues ironing any issues with this article out at FAC, IMO. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 22:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- ImaginesTigers, #1 and #2 are related as they go over Undertale's management of responsibility. I can see why #3 and #4 wouldn't work, but the people at the PR said I would have issues with the FAC reviewers if I ever nominated it there without making a scholarly/academic analysis section. — 💽 🌙Eclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ 23:00, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Actually, judging by the title of #3, it might be useful for the music and fandom sections. I do agree with ImagineTigers's assessment that a hypothetical section on the game's academic analysis might be impossible, but the sources found could potentially be incorporated in the rest of the article. Lazman321 (talk) 23:20, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Disagree that you will have significant issues with at FAC. League of Legends doesn't have a dedicated "crisis analysis" section; nor do The Last of Us, Paper Mario: The Origami King, or Super Meat Boy. FAC reviewers cannot oppose a nomination because information that does not exist is missing. That said, I had a look on Google Scholar and did find some more that way, but many of the results there are conference articles or undergrad papers (neither are permissible). You'd be fine if you made a strong attempt to integrate often-cited sourcing elsewhere in the article. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 00:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- (Happy to see you back around @ImaginesTigers, by the way!) Panini! • 🥪 19:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- ImaginesTigers, #1 and #2 are related as they go over Undertale's management of responsibility. I can see why #3 and #4 wouldn't work, but the people at the PR said I would have issues with the FAC reviewers if I ever nominated it there without making a scholarly/academic analysis section. — 💽 🌙Eclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ 23:00, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Consider looking at google books. There are a lot of game designers and other media academics who write about these things. I think it's worth having an analysis section (or a subsection or paragraph), even if the sources all talk about different things. A game like Undertale is notable enough that I'm sure there are sources that have discussed it more from an analytical perspective, rather than the usual "good/bad" reception stuff. Shooterwalker (talk) 19:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- Having a quick look at Google Books, I can't find anything substantial. Driving for an academic section when the game has no warranted significant coverage by academic is not a good use of an editor's time. High-quality sources should be integrated into the main article. A "scholarly criticism" section would, IMO, be embarrassing on this article. There is just nowhere near enough coverage to warrant a dedicated section. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 10:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Just a hunch, but although this game is considered one of the greats, I feel the extreme fame of this game is more along the lines of a cult classic than a critical masterpiece. It's extremely prevalent in internet culture, sure, but as far deep analysis goes, you can only find it in amateur commentary within the internet circle itself. "Amateur" I use broadly; Game Theory, for example.
- I think "scholarly analysis" is best saved for games that are individually notable or defining within the video game medium itself, or is commonly cited as a shining example of an artistic trope. That's why The Last of Us and League of Legends don't need one, big as they are. And The Origami King just wishes it was special. I think your Cultural impact section more than suffices! Panini! • 🥪 19:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Shooterwalker, Google Books gives me junk. — 💽 🌙Eclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ (she/they) 14:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm a little surprised, but I believe you've done the work. A few scholarly articles would at least get us a short paragraph, which potentially can be its own subsection. I see a lot of hits on google scholar but it can take time to weed out the undergrad student papers and trivial mentions. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Having a quick look at Google Books, I can't find anything substantial. Driving for an academic section when the game has no warranted significant coverage by academic is not a good use of an editor's time. High-quality sources should be integrated into the main article. A "scholarly criticism" section would, IMO, be embarrassing on this article. There is just nowhere near enough coverage to warrant a dedicated section. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 10:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
The Making of LEGO Island: A Documentary
Hello,
I've been advised to further this to the larger consensus. A recent documentary was made by Youtuber MattKC regarding the planning, development, and release of Lego Island. The issue, at the present moment, is that this source (while primary) would violate current Misplaced Pages:VG/RS source guidelines. Therefore, I would like further guidance/discussion on this topic, as documentaries (while primary sourced with interviews with developers) like these for niche games are hard to come by and would be further harder to get a bigger/aggregate source to even report on this.
There is some listed secondary sourcing, such as background clips used from development and Wes Jenkin's own autobiography, most of the work is primary/original interviews with developers on the game.
The current issue this source faces is needing backing/approval for use since this would be included in a current GA article, and would not want to do/harm anything that would lower that GA status. ChemicalBear (talk) 22:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- I honestly believe this should be fine for documentaries like if supporting non-controversial, non-biographical information. There are obvious problems associated with permitting YouTube citations, so there probably has to be additional caveats—e.g., a genuine benefit to the article for linking to it—but I am fine with it in this example in practice. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 22:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Another thing of note, as well FYI, is that the youtuber, MattKC, is one of the leading people in decompilation and preservation of LEGO Island software, allowing for continued use on hardware it was not built for it. Just some more perspective for the director/creator to help rebuff the usefulness/validity of the documentary. ChemicalBear (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think that is a fair assessment, but of course, I would like more input on the matter since it would be included in a GA article. I can understand hesitance with setting a precedence and such by allowing this inclusion. But as you said, this would add genuine substance/benefit to the article, which could mean the inclusion of more voices on the article than just director Wes Jenkins. ChemicalBear (talk) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, as long as it's specifically citing what the developers are saying and not MattKC's own words (unless it's a paraphrasal or something) then it should fall under WP:PRIMARY and I would consider it usable. λ NegativeMP1 22:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Within what I would consider creative liberty with the documentary does MattKC speak, mostly giving setup, background, or paraphrased/repeated information from his interviews and research. But a majority of the ~50 min documentary is either people from the project interviews (Matt's prompting/face removed from them talking) talking and/or quoted or audio sections from Wes Jekins or other project people. ChemicalBear (talk) 22:47, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- ChemicalBear, I understand the person behind this video is literally why you can play this game on a modern PC, but I personally believe you can just take the sources he used in the video and add them to the article if possible. Citing the documentary would be citing a tertiary-ish source that just combines the already available info out there into a video essay. — 💽 🌙Eclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ 22:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Well, the issue with that is, while there are minor secondaries (like Wes Jekins own autobiography or archived old film used for filler spacing), the main idea (which was only going to be used as a See Also/External Link/etc. thing) was to include the entire thing as all of his interviews are primary sourcing ChemicalBear (talk) 22:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- ChemicalBear, you can only use those interviews as long as they aren't verifying extraordinary claims. — 💽 🌙Eclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ (she/they) 14:56, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Well, the issue with that is, while there are minor secondaries (like Wes Jekins own autobiography or archived old film used for filler spacing), the main idea (which was only going to be used as a See Also/External Link/etc. thing) was to include the entire thing as all of his interviews are primary sourcing ChemicalBear (talk) 22:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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