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:The "do not move to Commons" tag is automatically applied by {{tl|PD-US-1923-abroad}} (see https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=File:French_cruiser_D%27Assas.jpg&action=edit&section=2 the section]), which is the technically correct template to use here on en.wiki, since we only care about US copyright. And by the way, Bar was French (and routinely published his photos there, so France would be the country of origin, not that it matters in this case, since the term is the same). I don't upload images to Commons, as I detest their interface - you are free to move them over if you like. ] (]) 18:45, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- ] (]) 19:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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May I ask how holed is preferred over hulled? As far as I'm aware the latter is better English for describing the situation. — ] <sup>]</sup> 04:28, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
:{{tps}} ? ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 05:23, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
::Indeed, it's a commonly used expression in this context. A simple Google Books search shows is preferred by a wide margin to (which despite listing 3 pages of returns, only gave us 1 full and a partial page). And from a pragmatic standpoint, if the reader is not familiar with either version of the expression, "holed" is far easier to understand than "hulled". ] (]) 09:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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I have been cleaning up the US articles of ships with no need for disambiguation and I've run into a bunch of articles that I can't move. For the most part I've sent them to uncontroversial technical requests to get them moved. However, there are entire classes that seem to have been "protected" against moving. Should I send them to requested moves or should I ask for a project level effort. I don't want to make it look like I'm picking on people, I just want to end the bickering. ] (]) 13:32, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

:Hey Llamma - the uncontroversial technical requests should be fine, since we're just bringing the titles into compliance with established naming policy. But I'm curious about the articles - are they actually move protected or do the redirects have edit-histories that prevent them being moved over? ] (]) 14:17, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
::Not actually protected. It just seems like an effort was made to prevent moves a long time ago by the original editor. They left Misplaced Pages in quite the huff in 2008 and it just seems to be that one editor's pages. It's kinda sad that we are just getting around to this 15 years later. I will continue with the technical requests then. Thanks. ] (]) 18:23, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
:::There are so many things left still left undone, whether articles that haven't been created (or left stubs for years), or goofy stuff like , which was also like that for . Someday we'll get there, eh? ] (]) 19:01, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

: Hello again. I come asking for advice again. The page ] is the only ship of the name. However, the page ] is a disambiguation page full of Star Trek cruft. Now, since I got into it with Trekphiler a long time ago about that stuff I do not want to go near it, just in case. So I'm not sure where to bring this one, since it's not really a dab page. Thanks. 20:37, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
::I wouldn't worry too much about Trekphiler - he's been gone a long time (and I doubt he's ever coming back - last I see is a declined unblock in 2021). On to the matter at hand, I could see a case made to just leave it as it is, since the ship isn't particularly high traffic, so there isn't a lot of point to moving the dab to ] so the ship can have the primary location. On the other hand, none of the other items actually have articles, so the dab page itself is contrary to ] and ] (since I can't imagine there ever being an article on the fictional ships that would pass GNG. Probably what we ought to do is nominate it at ], get it deleted, and then move the ship over it. ] (]) 22:51, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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== SMS Schwaben ==

You have reverted my picture of the launch of SMS Schwaben. I don't know why as it came from Wikimedia Commons. It was originally published in Die Woche, a contemporary German illustrated newspaper. Have I failed to add some relevant information? ] (]) 16:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
:Yes, the file on Commons needs to be updated. Just because something is hosted on Commons isn't proof that it can be used freely. We need evidence that the photo is public domain in the US and the country of origin (in this case, Germany). That means we need the original publication, the author, and their date of death. The uploader clearly didn't take the photo, so that needs to be fixed, and it's certainly not licensed under CC0 1.0. ] (]) 16:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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''Parsecboy,'' in providing info about a Soviet ship, would you refer to the 'Communist Soviet Navy'? Or in the case of an Italian warship, the 'Fascist Italian Navy'? I don't think so.

Also, "which <u>served</u> with the '']''" seems quaintly anthropomorphic. Despite centuries of picturesque nautical tradition, ships aren't sentient beings and don't "serve" in the manner of the prince of Wales's motto . They merely are part of a navy, shipping company, etc. (And for that matter, ships can't themselves be members of political parties.)

Suggest the link to ] be moved to "German" in the phrase I used – "of the German Navy." Thanks. – ] (]) 12:45, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

:''PS:'' There never was a country officially called "Nazi Germany." Until the end of the war, the name of the country officially was ''Das Deutsche Reich'' (The German Empire ).
:As an odd sidelight to this, for complicated legal reasons the railway in ] remained ''Die Reichsbahn'' until reunification in 1990. -- ] (]) 17:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

::Did you notice that you had to link to ]? That is the way Germany under the Nazi regime is most commonly referred to in English. What the country's ] was isn't relevant, unless it happens to coincide with common usage. ] (]) 21:50, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

== April 2023 ==

], your stated reasons for reverting my edit contains a direct contradiction of ], which states that the original English variation should be maintained unless there is sufficient reason to change it. You did not specify ''why'' you changed from the ] article's preexisting British English (preexisting, meaning prior to ]) to American English. If someone else had changed the English variation prior to my edit, please specify so. Do not cite ] back at me if I'm not the one who previously changed it – that comes across as insulting.<br /> Also, as stated in my edit summary, piping the link to ] was unnecessary per ]. Let the ] stand, please don't try to fix links that are ]; I see that you have undone this revert. <span class="nowrap">&#8212;&#160;]&#160;(]) 23:56, 27 April 2023 (UTC)</span>

:Look at who created the article, and what version of spelling I used. You might also look more closely at the version of the article you edited. ] (]) 23:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
::You might have created it, but I had no reason to look into its creation history — I just fixed what I saw when I came across it for the first time. As I said, your edit summary came across to me as an insult even if it wasn't meant so. Please remember to maintain ] with other editors. <span class="nowrap">&#8212;&#160;]&#160;(]) 00:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)</span>
:::Why are you citing ], and editing articles trying to enforce it, if you clearly don't understand how to apply it? As for the rest, you've been around far to long for any of that to fly. Stop being defensive, admit you screwed up, and move on with your life. ] (]) 00:15, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
::"{{Talk quote inline|You might also look more closely at the version of the article you edited.}}" Would you please be more specific? As I said, British English was what I saw in the article body. <span class="nowrap">&#8212;&#160;]&#160;(]) 00:28, 28 April 2023 (UTC)</span>
:::Again, look at the article as you edited it. I ''really'' should not have to spoon-feed you this. Again, you've been editing here for 14 years. ] (]) 00:33, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
::::I linked to my edit at the beginning of this discussion, and you can convey your message without the ]. <span class="nowrap">&#8212;&#160;]&#160;(]) 00:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC)</span>
:::::Indeed, and did you look at it? I haven't insulted you once; ''you'', on the other hand, repeatedly fling policy pages around when we both know I'm well aware. Do you know that some people find that behavior insulting? Perhaps you find my characterization that you don't understand RETAIN insulting, but that is a mere statement of fact. You didn't look closely enough at the article to see that it had "armour" '''once''' and ''armor'' '''six''' times. You also didn't demonstrate that you understand the whole point of RETAIN, which is to, um, "retain" the original version. You know, the reason why you might want to check the article history before you slap a template on it. Face facts: you were either ignorant of what RETAIN means in practice, or you were so careless in your edit that you didn't notice you were wrong. Either way, you made a mistake. It really is that simple. You made a mistake. Admit it or don't, but please stop wasting both of our time with this nonsense. ] (]) 00:56, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
], please review this discussion. Whether they are right or wrong, this is ''not'' how an admin should behave. <span class="nowrap">&#8212;&#160;]&#160;(]) 00:28, 28 April 2023 (UTC)</span>

== Old vs new place names ==

You recently changed the link for Kiaochow Bay to Jiaozhou Bay Leased Territory in some Italian ship articles, but how is a reader who sees a reference to Kiachow Bay if he's reading older sources supposed to know what it refers to? He shouldn't have to make a separate search for Kiachow Bay, IMO. I usually use the name in use at the time, relying on redirects (even double redirects) to get the reader to the right place. Some people aren't satisfied by that and want the modern name used exclusively and I will add a parenthetical note giving the modern name, while retaining the original name. I'm fine if you change the redirect to the modern name if the original name is retained, or if you add a note as I outlined above, but your change is the worst of both worlds, IMO. ] (]) 16:11, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
:I don't feel all that strongly about only using the one or both versions, but my attention was drawn to ] the other day, and per the MoS, pinyin is the default romanization, which little exception for Wade-Giles or any other romanization. The trouble is, there are multiple versions for a lot of these places, and saying "Jiaozhou (Kiautschou, Kiaochow, Kiao-Chow, or Kiauchau)" gets cumbersome. And as a practical matter, I'd wager that anyone reading books on Chinese history probably knows enough about about transliterations of Chinese that they won't be surprised by one or the other. ] (]) 16:24, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
::You may be right, but I suspect that the audience for ship articles isn't so familiar with Chinese place names.--] (]) 17:54, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
:::That's probably the case, but I also wonder how many readers are looking at old sources. I suspect the number of readers this would negatively affect is quite small - {{ship|Italian cruiser|Marco Polo||2}} isn't exactly a ;) One additional point is that we aren't talking about places that actually changed names (a la Danzig/Gdansk), it's just a change of transliteration. Beijing was always Beijing (or at least as far back as the Ming anyway), it was us westerners who changed how we spelled it. ] (]) 20:09, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
::::A good point, but I've seen a bunch of not-so-old sources on the Russo-Japanese War use the Wade-Giles spellings, sometimes with a Pinyin spelling.--] (]) 21:25, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

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== O-class battlecruiser (planned) of the Kriegsmarine status ==

I have recently taken notice of and joined Operation Majestic Titan, and I noticed that the O-class battlecruiser is the only German battlecruiser that is not yet a featured article. I also noticed you have your talk page is linked through the table in Phase I. Is there any way I could help in bringing the article up from good to featured?


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:Hi SEKDIS - I saw you added your name to the project, welcome aboard. One of the main things the article needs is more context on the broader situation (in other words, place the ships in the context of German rearmament under the Nazi regime). For an example of what I'm talking about, see what I to ] last year from Tooze. This is a big project that would require specific sources, which is partly why I haven't done it myself as of yet.
:I don't know what sources you have access to, but you said you have an interest in Spanish and US navies, so you might have an easier time getting something like ] up to GA as a first effort. The articles for all of the relevant ships have all been written, so you could crib references from them. ] (]) 12:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
::OK, thank you, I will try to do so. I do not have many sources for the O-class, but I do have some. Is there somewhere I should put them? ] (]) 13:27, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
:::You can add a further reading section at the bottom for now - I don't know how much experience you have editing, but I can help with formatting if you need it. ] (]) 13:39, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
::::OK, to be honest, I have not edited anything apart from correcting grammar and orthography up to now. I can try doing the further reading section or, if you prefer, I can just post it here for you to place. ] (]) 15:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::Either way is fine by me, whichever you feel more comfortable doing. If you do want to add a section header, copy this over:
<nowiki>==Further reading==</nowiki>
:::::And that will add the header. You can use citation templates like {{tl|cite book}} to add references - they're pretty easy to fill in once you look at the available fields and determine which ones you need. Normally you'll use:
<nowiki>*{{cite book|last=|first=|title=|year=|location=|publisher=|isbn=}}</nowiki>
:::::There are other fields you may need, like additional authors, if the title is in another language and should be translated also, editors for an edited volume, and a bunch more, but we can look at those if the sources you have need them. ] (]) 16:15, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::Ah, thank you, I will do so.
::::::] (]) 17:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC)�
:::::::I have added a Further reading section for the O-class with what I already have, if you need me to look for more, please tell me. I have put the name of the book in both German and English, separated by "/¦\", please correct it as needed. There is also a URL, do I just leave the URL or do you need any specific format? I will start work on the Standard-type. I have also added the Kirov-class Soviet nuclear battlecruiser article to the OMT.
:::::::] (]) 10:15, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::::It looks like another editor fixed up the title translation for us, so that's good to go.
::::::::I know we discussed whether or not we should cover ] in ] - as I recall, the consensus at the time was that it didn't really fit the scope of the project, since they aren't battlecruisers by the traditional definition, and their label as such was more of a media thing (in the same way that the British press coined the "pocket battleship" phrase in reference to the {{sclass|Deutschland|cruiser|1}}s) Both cases are more or less simple propaganda. It's probably worth bringing up on the ] to see if opinions have changed. ] (]) 16:57, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sorry, I did not see anything in the talk, I have asked and removed it until there is consensus.
:::::::::] (]) 19:54, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::No problem, it was years ago and was archived a long time ago. ] (]) 19:58, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Concerning the Camaeleon-class/Camäleon-class ==

Good afternoon, at least the sources which have been provided in ] spell it without an ]; I haven't found any ] sources which spell it with an Umlaut in English sources, either. So I am really not sure if the article title with Umlaut is correct. It also prevents interlanguage links. On Commons it is to be found under ], too. Warrants at least a discussion, imho. Regards. ] (]) 14:39, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:Hi Lectonar. Hildebrand et. al., which is cited in the German and English articles, uses the umlaut. Gröner also routinely uses umlauts in the English translation (though I don't have the book at hand at the moment to confirm specifically that they spelled Camäleon that way, but given that they do use it for other ships, one would suspect that they used it here as well). I can check that later today. ] (]) 14:53, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
::I am coming from the language side here (in the 19th century, printed media like books and newspaper didn't use umlauts as much as from the 1920s onwards (which means that in newspapers from the 1860s-1890s, you would almost certainly have found the spelling ''camaeleon''; I also saw a discussion about the title used in the de-articles somewhere linked from the de-article history, but can't re-find it now, on short notice. Thanks for your efforts, and the spelling is not something I would fight over, but finding an "ä" in an english article title was at least unusual. And I like working interlanguage-links, btw. Cheers and happy editing. ] (]) 15:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
:::I'd imagine that was a limitation of typewriters of the day - but one can find examples of it being used even then, like the or (in reference to the Austro-Hungarian brig of that time). It probably also doesn't help that these ships existed during a period when spellings were less standardized (as witnessed by the three spellings at ]).
:::But I've been writing articles on German warships (among others) for quite some time here, and it's quite common to use umlauts in English (but for example, eszetts are generally not used, in comparison). I can't recall that I've ever seen a "{{SMS|Luetzow}}" in English, for instance. As for this ship, . Thanks and you as well. ] (]) 15:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
::::Had a look at Gröner and they indeed spell it Camäleon in the English translation. ] (]) 23:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a million, the case rests :). Sorry for creating new work for you, but it seemed intuitively the right thing to do. ] (]) 07:10, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::No problem at all - not much around here that can't be undone easily enough, right? Happy editing. ] (]) 09:44, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

== Qingdao ==

Hi, I see in the article ] you've changed the original rendition of ''Tsingtao'' to the Pinyin ''Qingdao''. However the source cited in the article uses the older rendition. Doesn't this make it an anachronism? ] (]) 19:42, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
:No, and the distinction here is that the name of the city didn't ever change (like Danzig/Gdansk, Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad, etc.), the spelling only changed in English. Per ], we should generally use that style of romanization unless the preponderance of current sources still use Wade-Giles (] being an obvious example). The city in question is universally referred to as Qingdao today, so there's no reason to use old spellings. ] (]) 19:48, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
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Just to check, as you know these things; this is fairly well-documented as the ], but there's discussion on the talk page (from 2007-8) about a misidentification. Think it's correctly attributed? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.4% of all ].</sub></span> 19:27, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
:It seems that the image the IP was questioning was ]. It's fairly clear that it and your photo are different vessels - the one identified as ''Perry'' lacks the covered bridge and the shape of the windows are clearly different. ''Perry'' also appears to have straight sides, while the other one cants in at the ends of the superstructure.
:''DANFS'' identifies the vessel in your photo as ''Commodore Perry'' with the same photo and there's what appears to be a contemporary sketch of ''Commodore Perry'' that appears to align with the photo in question. And of course their file listing labels it as ''Commodore Perry''. The details I mentioned above align with the sketch.
:On the other hand, they have the "Gunboat on the Pamunkey River" photo labeled as (not ''Morse'' as the IP says), along with the contemporary sketch , which again matches the ship in the photo. I can't tell you whether it's ''Morris'' or ''Morse'', but is clearly wrong to identify it as ''Perry''. The IP also mentioned ''Commodore Barney'', but as you can see from its , it is significantly different from ''Perry'' and ''Morris''.
:Long story short, I don't think anyone is disputing that ] is actually ''Perry'', and everything I've been able to dig up seems to confirm that identification. ] (]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you so much! Sorry to be a pain, just... don't want to risk miseducating people through images more than the inherent risk of all such things. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 10:37, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Not a problem at all, I'm happy to help. Now if only we could get the Met to update their description, but it looks like Briochemore tried back in 2019 and they weren't budging. ] (]) 10:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::::I left feedback on one of the images - don't know that I'll get a response, but we'll see, eh? ] (]) 10:51, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

== Greetings and... ==

Greetings Parsecboy! I get what you were doing (]), but something obviously went awry. Easier & quicker to revert to stable version than to locate where the fault lies... Cheers! ] (]) 11:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

: Hi again. Thanks for . Please note that I did not revert, but restored a stable version. --] (]) 11:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

::Huh - can't figure out why the template isn't playing nicely with the bold text - I've been updating scores and scores of articles I've written to use the lang templates and haven't seen this before. ] (]) 11:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

:::Ah, it was this bit: {{xt|(literally '<nowiki/>''War Navy''')}} - the last three apparently confused the system about which set of three apostrophes to pair for the bold text. ] (]) 11:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

::::I was actually gonna remove that bit (not sure that it's relevant on that particular page, at least not in the intro) but decided to leave it till later 'cos I didn't want to interfere with your troubleshooting. --] (]) 11:26, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::No, and it's also not a great translation - but there really isn't one. The thing I can't figure out is why that particular set of apostrophes worked fine before, but the template broke it. ] (]) 11:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::Methinks you're young enough to have too much blind faith in technology... ] (]) 21:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Ha, I'm not that young - the thing is, it is pretty basic coding. Something in the template must have confused the pairing of triple apostrophes (which is what I can't figure out, since it's the only thing that changed, but it works just fine everywhere else, like , for instance). ] (]) 12:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Sorry! Can't help... I'm still trying to catch up with the advances in typewriter technology: that golf ball innovation blew my mind! So getting to grips with even basic coding is waaaay down on my to-do list. Good luck! ] (]) 12:13, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Haha! After doing a bit of experimentation in my sandbox, I think the five apostrophes forced mediawiki to read those pairs together. From what I gather, it doesn't read the code left to right (which is what I had expected). The text works as intended if you leave all five apostrophes, with or without templates, but when you drop down to just bold text, it gets confused about how it pairs the sets, with or without templates. ] (]) 12:24, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::Little late, but remember, in a pinch, &lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt; is also accepted. Generally I find the problem tends to be a missing closure somewhere very distant, and the change causing the error correction to act differently. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.6% of all ].</sub></span> 23:21, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::In , I suspect the problem was "<code><nowiki>(literally '&lt;nowiki/>''War Navy'''</nowiki></code>" - that's read as <code>'War Navy</code>. If you were trying to put War Navy in single quotes, the correct way is <code><nowiki>{{'}}''War Navy''{{'}}</nowiki></code>, escaping BOTH before and after. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.6% of all ].</sub></span> 23:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::Ah, yeah, that makes sense - and that's a good idea on the <nowiki><b> </b></nowiki> bit. Thanks Adam. ] (]) 09:11, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

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There's a few pages on Misplaced Pages, notably ] claiming this is specifically of ''Justice'' at the Hudson-Fulton Celebration. Do you have any evidence this is true? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 05:32, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

:Never mind; it turns out the LoC just lays out information in a really stupid way. It's the Hudson-Fulton Celebration. One shouldn't need check subject tags to see that. Also, I've partially restored it. I think I got most of the stuff that's visible without zooming in a lot already, except for the left bit of writing (I'm usually pretty happy to leave writing, but I do ask that people either put it on ''level'' or have it be something that doesn't look like it ''needs'' to be level like a signature. Maybe it's level to the horizon and I didn't need to, but it's intrusive so screw it, it's going. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 05:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

::Ha, it might amuse you to know that I had once taken a stab at restoring that image myself (never got anywhere with it, of course). I think I had talked with Durova for advice and played around with the image a bit, but got busy with grad school stuff, my first kid was born, and it got lost in the shuffle. Nice work! ] (]) 10:48, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Ooh. That is not a great first image. The left hand side alone is ridiculous. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 11:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
::::That probably had something to do with why I never finished it! ] (]) 11:02, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::Always thought that a good first restoration was more on the lines of ] - something which needs one technique (healing tool), not too often, but will teach you to use it, and to consider things like what size and hardness is best for each spot. Kinda wish I hadn't restored that one. But there's plenty like it, if you want to have a go sometime. I can keep an eye out. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 11:50, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::Thanks, I'll keep it in mind - but I don't have as much time as I once did, unfortunately. Much of my editing used to be at work, in my old job, where I had a lot of down time. That's less the case in my current job. A lot of what I do these days is maintenance of existing articles, like my current (very slow) campaign to update stuff to comply with ] (like ), though I do still write articles from time to time - ] is a relatively recent example. ] (]) 12:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::I've swapped in a slightly better image. Double check it's not an obvious misidentification; if not, we're good, and I'll add it to the list to-do. might be rather good for showing the keel. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 02:17, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Yup, that's a good image - thanks, much appreciated! And that model photo would be nice to have. I tend to forget about Gallica (and the NHHC collection usually has at least one image of a given ship, so I stop looking). ] (]) 09:05, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::] <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 09:39, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::Excellent, thanks! (Though the Agence Rol template isn't working - I'd fix it, but I don't know what the right template is). ] (]) 09:46, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::Should be fixed now. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 18:56, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::Ah, good - I should tuck that away for future use. Thanks again! ] (]) 11:38, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::Just as an update on ''Justice'': Two days in, probably about 6-10 hours' work; still just the left edge is going to take at least another day, probably two. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 05:18, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::Ha, it would take many days for me to cobble together 6-10 hours of work, and I imagine trying to cobble it together in 15 minutes here, half an hour there, would make it even slower going. ] (]) 09:05, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::It's starting to approach done. Took me about 15-20 hours for the left hand side, at 400% zoom. The rest is going a lot quicker. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 00:44, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::It definitely looks much, much better than when you started! It's funny, zooming in on the original version gives me flashbacks to when I tried to fiddle with it a decade ago! ] (]) 12:04, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::I put up a before and after of the left side at the FPC. Really wish I had been there to advise back when you did it. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 21:03, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::By the way, the lead image on your user page... ] is the original. I think I might need to at least do enough work to deal with it being, well, contrasted up so much that it looks much worse. You get weird edits sometimes. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 21:06, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh yeah, that's quite an impressive difference!
:::::::::::I imagine you see all kinds of things from people who don't quite know what they're doing. I'm a little embarrassed to show you ] (from )! ] (]) 21:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::That's not as bad as you'd think: It's hard to make an image like that look good, and while you could have curved it a little better, it's not a bad attempt.
::::::::::::A good rule of thumb for levels adjustments is, if it's an improvement on the original, and you've made it clear it ''is'' an edit, it's a good edit. If it isn't, go back to the original. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 22:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::True enough, I suppose - and at least it's easier to make out than the original. I would like to eventually do some image work here and there, if I ever find the time to be able to do it - if that day ever comes, and we're both still around, I'll give you a ring! ] (]) 22:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::] It's never going to be a featured picture, but... <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 22:44, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Still much better than it was! ] (]) 23:21, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Well, got inspired to write an article for The Bugle on the back of our talk here, so that's something <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 00:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Nice! I'll have to check it out. ] (]) 09:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::] if you want a preview. I keep adding to it, though. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 01:04, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::Ah, yeah, I had read it earlier yesterday (I creeped in your edits ;) and there's more in there now. I did notice you've got two "Google it"s in there now ;) ] (]) 14:38, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::Dangit. Thought I cut that. Probably did, then added it back while trying to balance it with the Signpost copy <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.5% of all ].</sub></span> 00:33, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
{{od}}Haha, I do that kind of thing all the time. Just yesterday I had one of those at work (I write training and policy stuff for my department). There, at least I can blame it on server problems with the shared documents we use! ] (]) 09:34, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hi Nate ... hope you're well. I was looking around for a ship article to schedule at TFA for October, and ] caught my eye ... I like the phrase "the Imperial German Navy's first ocean-going capital ships in nearly two decades" ... it gives the signficance right up front. I see you've been editing it recently, too. Is there anything left to do on this one before TFA? Would you rather have more time? - Dank (]) 01:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

:Hey Dan, thanks, I'm doing pretty well, I hope you are too. The article should be in pretty good shape - I've mainly just been fiddling with minor things for MoS stuff, so nothing else that needs to be done. Thanks! ] (]) 09:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
::Good to hear, and it's such a pleasure to read these ship articles. - Dank (]) 12:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks Dan! I'm particularly pleased with ], in fact - it was that was my first foray into the German Imperial Navy, all the way back in 2007. ] (]) 15:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Ah, I had no idea, I just liked the article. - Dank (]) 17:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
::::It's certainly come a long way since then! ] (]) 17:31, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::Peacemaker has just nominated a ship for September at WP:TFAR. I see that 29 April 1894 will be the 130th anniversary of the date that all 4 ships were completed ... if that date works for you, I'll put both our names on the recommendation for that date at WP:TFAP. - Dank (]) 14:28, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Peacemaker67}}, been a while, and thanks for the TFAR nomination. Does the April date for Nate's ships work for you too? - Dank (]) 14:41, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::Oops, I was reading the wrong row ... the 130th anniversary of the completion of all 4 ships appears to be 14 October of next year. Does that date work for both of you? - Dank (]) 16:11, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::Not a problem for me at all - whatever makes life easier! ] (]) 23:36, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::Works for me! ] (]) 23:58, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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==Graf Spee Image==
What's wrong with the license? It's quite clearly listed as public domain by the Kiel archives. And why would a data-entry error for the archive (1934 vs. 1936) exclude a public domain image of a subject from being used on the page? ] (]) 15:51, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:What evidence do you have that the Stadtarchiv released it under CC0 1.0? And what evidence do we have that the Stadtarchiv has the ability to license it?
:As for the details of the image, it is literally impossible for Renard to have taken that photograph. Renard died in February 1934, and ''Admiral Graf Spee'' was not even launched until June of that year, let alone completed and in the condition in that photo. So clearly someone else took it. To return to the point above, did that person publish the image somewhere? Do we know who it was? Did they donate the image to the archive, or did a negative just come into their possession? ] (]) 16:18, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
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== Linking to particular guns in infobox ship ==
Hi, Parsecboy, I'm doing some pages about the first Krupp Ring Kanone used on ships. As I link to these guns in infoboxes, I see quite some resistance from users that want to hold on to the automatic conversion of inches and cm's in the infobox, e.g. at ]. I believe you created a reasonable solution at that page. However, in reality the caliber of the ] was 20.92 cm, so it should be 8.2 in instead of 8.3 in. Not that important, but for the 24 cm RK, the real caliber was 23.54 cm. Therefore, I think it better to use the name of the gun and do calulation of the caliber in inches or cm by hand, based on the real caliber. Also, a substring like RK or SK in the name tells a lot about the actual power of built-up gun. If it's RK, it is first generation Ring Kanone and therefore not that powerful, because it could not handle that much explosive force.] (]) 17:08, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

:It's a complex issue, to be sure. I think this comes down to is the inherent tension between accuracy and providing a fairly high-level overview of a subject consistent with this being an encyclopedia. The challenge is always how do we present accurate information without getting too far down into the weeds? A case in point, I sometimes see figures given to the third decimal place (] tends to do this in his books on US warships, for instance), which is excessive for what we're trying to do here. So I'm not all that concerned about the difference between 8.2 and 8.3, or even 9.4 and 9.2. To the average reader, those differences are more or less meaningless, and if they are interested in further details about the guns, they can always click the link.
:The other problem is, it's fairly common for guns (large and small) to have rounded nominal calibers, but different countries use different methods to determine what the nominal caliber is (and this can change over time). For example, ] and ] are identical in all but case length, but the former uses the rounded diameter of the case mouth to find its nominal caliber, while the latter uses the un-rounded bullet diameter as its nominal caliber. This problem already creates an apples to oranges comparison between ships of different navies (which I don't think should be encouraged because of the complexities, but readers will do it all the same), but introducing "in most articles we use the nominal caliber but in a few, we use the accurate bore diameter" only complicates things further.
:I don't know that I'm necessarily right - you could make the case that I'm simply biased toward continuing what we've always done because we've always done it that way. It's probably something that should be discussed by a broader group (probably at ]). ] (]) 18:16, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you for your thorough reaction. You're right in that we should consider what we want to achieve with the infobox on the ship page. This is probably to give the reader a good indication of the power of the armament of a ship. However inaccurate, caliber and length go a long way to achieve this. Indeed, if this has a link to a page about the gun, the interested reader can get the details there.
::The discussion is then about how to represent the link. Should it be caliber + length or the name with cm or in, or some combination? I also made pages like ], ], and ] which all lack the length in their name. Ideally, the length in 'L/' should be added to the name as represented in the infobox like you did at SMS Friedrich Carl, allowing quick comparison. It is probably indeed a matter of discussing it in a broader group with consideration of some examples.] (]) 10:43, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
:::I think I'll go start a thread at ] to see what others think about the issue. We probably need to adopt a standardized approach, so things aren't done haphazardly. ] (]) 11:46, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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:Look on their talk page a few threads up, about NHHC images, which I discussed with them last month. After abandoning that discussion, they've of the templates, to no real improvement in how the image licenses are described. But I'm not inclined to revert them, given that nothing is really changing, and stopping them from tilting at windmills isn't exactly a good use of my time. ] (]) 18:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
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Sir,the third reference link of the entry SS Silesia seems dead.Could you update it？（https://en.wikipedia.org/SS_Silesia）When I click the link,the site automatically goes to the official website instead of the document.Looking forward to your reply🙏🙏 ] (]) 12:56, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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:Hi - I understand what you're doing, but some editors find it grating to have tags applied when they're in the middle of editing a page (since it can cause edit conflicts). I also don't see a lot of value in simply tagging articles for the sake of tagging them; I'd just as soon solve the problem if I can. ] (]) 20:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
== Source review of ] ==
::Alright, I'll keep this in mind. Thanks. I'm still somewhat new to Misplaced Pages policies, so I'll be a bit more careful in the future. Have a nice day (or night). ] (]) 20:14, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks, and yeah, I had seen on your userpage you started editing just last year - I'm not a whole lot from 20 years (so I probably ought to keep in mind that not everyone has been around even half that long). Mid-afternoon here, so a nice day is still in the cards, and the same to you! ] (]) 20:17, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


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== Sfn error in SMS Habsburg (1865) ==
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Can you check the launch date for {{ship|Russian ship|Iagudiil|1843}} please? Article currently states she was launced 4 days before she was laid down! ] (]) 07:14, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
:Good catch - it was right in the body, but must have been a typo in the box. Thanks! ] (]) 09:35, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


Hi, in to ] you add <nowiki>{{sfn|Ziegler|pp=16–17, 21}}</nowiki>. Unfortunately this causes a ]. There are three Ziegler sources listed in the article, Ziegler 1870, Ziegler 1871, and Ziegler 1872. If you could fix the error it would be appreciated. ] (]) 18:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
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:Hi Wehwalt, thanks for the heads up - the article should be in pretty good shape, but I ought to check through that was published the year after the article went through FAC, as there may be a few details that can be added. ] (]) 22:06, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
::I could try and improve the lead image. https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6918154h/f1.item.r=bouvet%20cuirass%C3%A9.zoom or - if you think it's the one visible from the deck of the other - https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b69299610.r=bouvet%20cuirass%C3%A9?rk=42918;4 ? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">''']''' <sup>(])</sup><sub>Has about 8.6% of all ].</sub></span> 18:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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Okay, fair enough. It was done in good faith. I didn't see how I was making it less precise or harder to edit. I have been chided by many admins in the past on leaving refs stacked like that. ] (]) 18:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
== American casualties in the Pacific War ==
::From my talk page - "I didn't see how it hurt. Had been taken to task for leaving refs stacked like that. It was done in good faith, and I've never been criticized for putting it in this style. When I edit pages, it is the style I was told to use by admins. The parentheses are to make it more conforming to Chicago MoS. I HAVE been criticized for leaving it in the tsyle it is now, HOWEVER, since you object and are taking ownership of the article, I'll leave it. Take care and have a good weekend. ] (]) 18:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)"

:::Nerts! I went back and looked at the reversions I missed on this article. I missed your comments. Sorry, again, done in good faith. ] (]) 18:48, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
1) Firstly, you removed my link to the museum website, supposedly they do not cite sources there. But the question is why the historical sat is not a source in itself
::::Not a huge deal - I was probably more frustrated with IRL stuff anyway - I'm sorry if I came off angry. No harm done, have a nice weekend. ] (]) 11:24, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
2) Secondly, why the f**k, like dear Clodfelter, publishes only US COMBAT losses, but forgets about non-combat losses. Let us then, in the article about the Pacific War, also indicate only Japan’s combat losses. You yourself understand that only 93k Americans were killed in the Pacific War is f***ing nonsense ] (]) 18:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

:Please remain civil, thank you.
:It is not ideal to compare combat losses against total losses, I agree; it's an apples to oranges comparison. But as you have been told repeatedly, and in several different venues, if you want to correct that, you need to find good, secondary sources to support the changes you want to make. Some museum website with unknown editorial oversight does not cut it.
:Lastly, I would advise you to edit somewhere else. You are clearly too personally invested in proving your assumptions on this particular point, and from my perspective, you aren't able to edit in an unbiased manner. Showing up to people's talk pages, and rudely demanding things, is a good way to end up at ] - trust me, I've been editing here for more than 15 years, and I've seen plenty of people go down the path you seem to be on. If you want to stay active here, it's best you move on to another topic. ] (]) 19:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
::Well, yes lol, but writing only about US combat losses is very objective and not biased. Well, we’ll soon find out that the United States had no losses at all in the Pacific Ocean, at most one American Marine cut himself when opening a can of canned food in Okinawa) ] (]) 19:19, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
:::This is exactly the kind of unproductive, borderline-trolling comment that will get you hauled off to ANI at some point. Do not misinterpret the fact that you have not ''yet'' exhausted the community's patience for the idea that you will not in the future. ] (]) 19:49, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
::::No, really, it’s as if the authors of the article are trying their best to reduce US losses for the sake of a “pleasant” figure. And if we now discard all this formality about authoritative sources. I'm asking you personally. Don’t you yourself think the number of 93k dead Americans is underestimated? ] (]) 19:54, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't matter what you or I think; you've been told this repeatedly. The ''only'' thing that matters is what authoritative sources state. The fact that you think this is a mere "formality" demonstrates that you fundamentally misunderstand what we're doing here on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 19:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::I just asked in a private conversation what you think, but even here you managed to answer like a robot. And the fact that a historian indicates only COMBAT losses is no longer an authority. Well, it’s okay, I’m sure there are still caring users who will erase this nonsense about only 93k dead, and see more truthful numbers ] (]) 20:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::Since when do you decide which publication is vanity and which is not? For example, it seems to me that it is vanity to indicate American losses only in battle, and forgetting about non-combat ones, thereby underestimating the real numbers. Oh, right, we have a historian who underestimates the number of US losses, authority, because he indicates “pleasant numbers” ] (]) 20:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::I don't decide anything - look up iUniverse - it's clearly a self-publishing organization, which is prohibited as per ]. Frankly, you need to familiarize yourself with basic policies before you start editing contentious topics. ] (]) 21:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of SMS Albatross (1871)

The article SMS Albatross (1871) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:SMS Albatross (1871) for comments about the article, and Talk:SMS Albatross (1871)/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Sturmvogel 66 -- Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of SMS Wolf (1878)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article SMS Wolf (1878) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Simongraham -- Simongraham (talk) 20:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of SMS Wolf (1878)

The article SMS Wolf (1878) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:SMS Wolf (1878) and Talk:SMS Wolf (1878)/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Simongraham -- Simongraham (talk) 20:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of SMS Adler

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article SMS Adler you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of GGOTCC -- GGOTCC (talk) 04:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of SMS Wolf (1878)

The article SMS Wolf (1878) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:SMS Wolf (1878) for comments about the article, and Talk:SMS Wolf (1878)/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Simongraham -- Simongraham (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2024).

Administrator changes

added Sennecaster
readded
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CheckUser changes

added
readded Worm That Turned
removed Ferret

[REDACTED] Oversight changes

added
readded Worm That Turned

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The Nuke feature also now provides links to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions.

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

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Tag bombing

Hi, sorry for tag bombing your new article, I was just looking at new articles in recent changes, and noticed that yours didn't have any sources, so I naturally gave it the unreferenced tag. Apologies about that. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 20:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi - I understand what you're doing, but some editors find it grating to have tags applied when they're in the middle of editing a page (since it can cause edit conflicts). I also don't see a lot of value in simply tagging articles for the sake of tagging them; I'd just as soon solve the problem if I can. Parsecboy (talk) 20:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Alright, I'll keep this in mind. Thanks. I'm still somewhat new to Misplaced Pages policies, so I'll be a bit more careful in the future. Have a nice day (or night). RedactedHumanoid (talk) 20:14, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks, and yeah, I had seen on your userpage you started editing just last year - I'm not a whole lot from 20 years (so I probably ought to keep in mind that not everyone has been around even half that long). Mid-afternoon here, so a nice day is still in the cards, and the same to you! Parsecboy (talk) 20:17, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of SMS Adler

The article SMS Adler you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:SMS Adler for comments about the article, and Talk:SMS Adler/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of GGOTCC -- GGOTCC (talk) 02:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Sfn error in SMS Habsburg (1865)

Hi, in this edit to SMS Habsburg (1865) you add {{sfn|Ziegler|pp=16–17, 21}}. Unfortunately this causes a no-target error. There are three Ziegler sources listed in the article, Ziegler 1870, Ziegler 1871, and Ziegler 1872. If you could fix the error it would be appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 18:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Good catch, of course it's the last thing I did before I got up ;) Thanks for letting me know. Parsecboy (talk) 18:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 225, January 2025

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USS Massachusetts

Okay, fair enough. It was done in good faith. I didn't see how I was making it less precise or harder to edit. I have been chided by many admins in the past on leaving refs stacked like that. Boo Boo (talk) 18:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

From my talk page - "I didn't see how it hurt. Had been taken to task for leaving refs stacked like that. It was done in good faith, and I've never been criticized for putting it in this style. When I edit pages, it is the style I was told to use by admins. The parentheses are to make it more conforming to Chicago MoS. I HAVE been criticized for leaving it in the tsyle it is now, HOWEVER, since you object and are taking ownership of the article, I'll leave it. Take care and have a good weekend. Boo Boo (talk) 18:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)"
Nerts! I went back and looked at the reversions I missed on this article. I missed your comments. Sorry, again, done in good faith. Boo Boo (talk) 18:48, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Not a huge deal - I was probably more frustrated with IRL stuff anyway - I'm sorry if I came off angry. No harm done, have a nice weekend. Parsecboy (talk) 11:24, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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