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{{U|Evox777}} added the following to the article in : | |||
The article makes several deliberate factual errors regarding the Muslim League which I have tried to correct and the general tone of the article goes against historical facts... It is sadly based on one sided Indian propaganda and nothing else. Despite my corrections, the article is so skewed that it must have been funded by some extremist Hindu groups in India. | |||
Please see below... | |||
==Biased and onesided article== | |||
This is an absolute travesty of history... which quotes one side of the story. {{unsigned|202.163.67.241}} of 26.03.07 | |||
:You are most welcome to up-date with proper citations and references. In case, you are not registered, it is a good idea to take a user name. It will be more helpful for future. --] 15:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
Please feel free to use. I am new to Misplaced Pages .. So I don't know how to contribute: | |||
"Last weekend has seen dreadful riots in Calcutta. The estimates of casualties is 3000 dead and 17000 injured. The Bengal Congress are convinced that all the trouble was deliberately engineered by the Muslim League Ministry, but no satisfactory evidence to that effect has reached me yet. It is said that the decision to have a public holiday on 16th August was the cause of trouble, but I think this is very far-fetched. There was a public holiday in Sind and there was no trouble there. At any rate, whatever the causes of the outbreak, when it started, the Hindus and Sikhs were every bit as fierce as Muslims. The present estimate is that appreciably more Muslims were killed than the Hindus" | |||
Lord Wavell to Pethick Lawrence | |||
The editorial of Blitz, the Congress Mouthpiece... writes:: | |||
Meanwhile the Congress Mouthpiece "Blitz" wrote this about the direct action day: | |||
The worst enemies of the Muslim League cannot help envying the leadership of Mr Jinnah. Last week's cataclysmic transformation of the League from the reactionary racket of the Muslim Nawabs, Noons, and Knights into a revolutionary mass organisation dedicated, by word if not be deed, to an anti-Imperialist struggle, compels us to express the sneaking national wish that a diplomat and strategist of Jinnah's proven calibre were at the held of the Indian National Congress. There is no denying the fact that by his latest master-stroke of diplomacy Jinnah has outbid, outwitted and outmaneuvered the British and Congress alike and confounded the common national indictment that the Muslim League is a parasite of British Imperialism | |||
Now why would a Congress Newspaper praise Jinnah if Direct Action Day was all that you are making it out to be... | |||
The fact is that Calcutta was an exception... a well thought out plan by the Congress which sabotaged the League's programme for temporary political gain.... | |||
http://www.free-definition.com/Direct-action.html | |||
Direct Action simply means civil disobedience... as Dr. King put it: | |||
"Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored." | |||
Now consider H V Hodson's description of the League Programme: | |||
"The working committee followed up by calling on Muslims through out India to observe 16th August as direct action day. On that Day meeting would be held all over the country to explain League's resolution. These meetings and processions passed of- as was manifestly the Central league leaders' intention- without more than commonplace and limited disturbance with one vast and tragic exception... what happened was more than anyone could have foreseen." | |||
(Page 166 'The Great Divide') | |||
Explaining Direct Action Jinnah made it clear that the direct Action will not be in any form but in peaceful form... | |||
"16th August is not for the purpose of resorting to Direct Action in any form or shape, Therefore I enjoin upon the Muslims to carry our the instructions and abide by them strictly and conduct themselves peacefuly and in a disciplined manner." | |||
Press Release Jinnah 14th August 1946 | |||
<blockquote>"In fact nothing was planned for Direct Action Day except large-scale meetings all over the country and it was while the Muslims of Calcutta were attending such a meeting that the riot broke out, NOT IN the area of the meeting, but in the areas of the unprotected homes of these people. And the carnage that took place during these first few hours, where women and children fell as completely helpless and defenseless victims was greater than the subsequent retaliatory attacks by the Muslims on the predominantly Hindu areas."<ref>{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=w8qJAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA580|title=Sources of Indian Tradition: Modern India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh|editor-last1=McDermott|editor-first1=Rachel Fell|publisher=|year=|isbn=|location=|pages=580}}</ref></blockquote> | |||
Statement from Jinnah on the 17 August 1946, next day after the Calcutta Killings: | |||
I removed it from the article because the source is a book edited by McDermott, who is not a historian, and should not be cited for points of historical fact. Worse, the page from which the text is taken is condensed, without analysis, from ''From Purdah to Parliament'', an autobiography by ] (who is not a historian either, nor a journalist). Ikramullah cites no sources for her assertions, simply saying "As far as I can judge the matter dispassionately I feel that this is not true" and then launching into her perceptions above. This has no place in a Misplaced Pages article about history. --] (]) 06:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
“I condemn the violence and sympathise with the victims. It was contrary to what the working Committee (of ML) said that some people have acted against the directives (sic)”. | |||
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==Noakhali== | |||
Thousands of Hindus were killed and their womenfolk abducted in ]in 1946-1947.Can someone write an article for[REDACTED] on that carnage .--] 09:06, 01 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Did as much as I could so far. More information sources needed.] 11:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Restored clarification of Chatterji == | |||
==More information Needed== | |||
I expanded with some stuff I dug up from the library & online. I need more sources. Plus, also need to expand the section on riots etc in Punjab, Bihar and NWFP.Plz help.] 11:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
In re-inserting the above text in , {{U|Evox777}} also undid unrelated clarifications to what Chatterji wrote. Based on Evox777's edit summary, their ], and left on my talk page, I assume that their reversion of the Chatterji clarifications was unintended. But if they or anyone else thinks that Chatterji blamed only the Muslim League for the riots, I would be happy to discuss it here. --] (]) 06:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Selective removal of sourced content == | |||
=== REVERTED Ktrjan's edits=== | |||
] has selectively removed content about Muslims being targeted on dubious reasons. I also have other issues but will discuss them later. There was a before Qureshi, I don't know if it's him since Qureshi created the account after. First he says . That too when the article itself says with reliable sources there were killings of not only Hindus, but Muslims as well. I have quoted the article with references later on. | |||
They were not edits... simply an attempt to take out sourced information. The article is WP:POV as is .... but by taking out the balance it was an attempt to distort history. I will continue to monitor this and Ktrjan does this again, I will report him to the moderators. ] 06:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Your edits were rent with original research, unverified claims and misrepresentations. Please stop this. ] 06:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
Then when I add several sources he frivolously . Also he cites a reason that there a category "Persecution of Bengali Hindus". However, ] there is also a "Violence against Muslims in India" category. He dismissed all the sources I cited as "non-reliable", though I doubt he himself knows completely about ]. One of the I added is well-known publishers ] who also publishes books as academic journals, and it is reputed. One of the known author ]. Another author Sekhar Bandyopadhyay is also a known scholar . The other two sources, Mahatma Gandhi: A Selected Biography page 26, Report to Lord Pethick-Lawrence are already in source which I also cite below. | |||
Kjartan, my quotes were directly out of published works like '''Stanley Wolpert's Jinnah of Pakistan, Gandhi's Passion and Mansergh's edited Transfer of Power Papers'''. There ARE no misrepresentations in what I have quoted... but most of the article consists of propaganda sources quoted by yourself. Have the decency to accept the facts and STOP VANDALIZING. ] 07:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Sorry, Wolpert did not say "This quote however does not find favor with Jinnah's biographers". That is ] and you have been reported for violating[REDACTED] regulations. ] 07:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
Also here's some of the quotes from the articles contents woth sources that Muslims were targeted as well, it was violence between Hindus and Muslims both and not just on Hindus. | |||
Stanley Wolpert quotes the speech in his book "Jinnah of Pakistan" and somehow the biographer misses this pertinent invented quote. User:Teabing-Leigh|Teabing-Leigh]] 07:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
<blockquote>'''Direct Action Day''' (16 August 1946), also known as the '''Great Calcutta Killings''', was a day of widespread riot and manslaughter between Hindus and Muslims in the city of ] (now known as Kolkata) in the ] province of ].<ref name="Burrows">{{cite book|last=Burrows|first=Frederick|authorlink=Frederick Burrows|title=Report to Viceroy Lord Wavell|publisher=The British Library IOR: L/P&J/8/655 f.f. 95, 96–107|year=1946}}</ref></blockquote> | |||
::It's still ] | |||
More false statements exposed: | |||
1.Diagram caption put by you not verified by source.(Dead and wounded after the 'Direct Action Day' which developed into pitched battles as Hindu mobs were let loose on the Muslims,Calcutta in 1946, the year before independence) | |||
<blockquote>Some authors have claimed that most of the victims were Muslims.<ref name="a_carter">{{cite book |title=Mahatma Gandhi: A Selected Bibliography |last=Carter |first=April |year=1995 |publisher=Greenwood Publishing Group |location=Westport, CT|isbn=031328296X |page=26}}</ref></blockquote> | |||
2.Undue weight (]) given to one ref entered twice (Wavell to Pethick Lawrence, August 21, 1946, Mansergh, Transfer of Power, Vol. VIII, P.274) | |||
<blockquote>Hindus and Sikhs were just as fierce as the Muslims in the beginning. Parties of one community would lie in wait, and as soon as they caught one of the other community, they would cut him to pieces.<ref name="Wavell">{{cite book | |||
There is no undue weight. This source is important to counter the onesided unsourced information being added by you. ] 07:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
|last=Wavell | |||
|first=Archibald P. | |||
|authorlink=Archibald Wavell, 1st Earl Wavell | |||
|title=Report to ] | |||
|publisher=] Archives: IOR | |||
|year=1946}}</ref></blockquote> | |||
AhmedQureshi is engaging in disruptive behavior by selectively removing text from the infobox which is sourced. I aks him to stop this. ] (]) 18:18, 19 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
3.Deletion of the Muriel Lester source without advancing reason | |||
{{reflist-talk}} | |||
Where and WHEN was this deleted. I can't help it if you claim something THAT did not happen ] 07:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
I agree, it's unnecessary to present only Hindus as the target. Therefore I changed it to civil conflict. ] (]) 14:17, 20 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
and many more... ] 07:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Supposedly sourced content == | |||
No ... there aren't any other deletions only sourced addtions.] 07:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
I see three sentences in the lead that say: | |||
=== Gandhi's autobiography dates till 1928 only=== | |||
{{quotebox|align=left|text=The ] for planning of the transfer of power from the ] to the Indian leadership proposed an initial plan of composition of the new Dominion of India and its government. However, soon an alternative plan to divide the British Raj into a Hindu-majority India and a Muslim-majority Pakistan was proposed by the Muslim League. The Congress rejected the alternative proposal outright.}} | |||
An IP removed the last of these sentences, and suddenly our attention to this problematic content. All this is completely wrong. There is nothing of this kind in any source. I see that fragments of the second sentence were by ] way back in 2008 ''under a citation'', making it appear as a sourced statement. '''Please don't do this'''. It destroys ], and all kinds of junk passes for sourced content. -- ] (]) 23:30, 31 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Partisan article? == | |||
Kjartan8 has taken to quoting Gandhi's autobiography which covers events upto 1928. He is putting as a source for events in 1946. ] 07:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Prove it. ] 07:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
I know nothing about this event, but phrases like "a hardline Muslim hooligan" suggest that I am not likely to find many answers here ] (]) 16:10, 23 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
Prove what. Gandhi's Autobiography "My experiments with the truth" covers only the period up to 1928. You are clearly making up sources as you go along and vandalising others' work for things that you do. ] 07:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Assumption of bad faith is a violation of[REDACTED] regulations. I will add this to my complaint against you. ] 07:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
== Crimes against humanity category removal == | |||
] is a specific legal concept. In order to be included in the category, the event (s) must have been prosecuted as a crime against humanity, or at a bare minimum be described as such by most reliable sources. Most of the articles that were formerly in this category did not mention crimes against humanity at all, and the inclusion of the category was purely original research. ] (]) 07:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
:: I have been watching this article and I have seen nothing but vandalism from Kjartan8. ] 07:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Evox777 added the following to the article in this edit:
"In fact nothing was planned for Direct Action Day except large-scale meetings all over the country and it was while the Muslims of Calcutta were attending such a meeting that the riot broke out, NOT IN the area of the meeting, but in the areas of the unprotected homes of these people. And the carnage that took place during these first few hours, where women and children fell as completely helpless and defenseless victims was greater than the subsequent retaliatory attacks by the Muslims on the predominantly Hindu areas."
I removed it from the article because the source is a book edited by McDermott, who is not a historian, and should not be cited for points of historical fact. Worse, the page from which the text is taken is condensed, without analysis, from From Purdah to Parliament, an autobiography by Shaista Ikramullah (who is not a historian either, nor a journalist). Ikramullah cites no sources for her assertions, simply saying "As far as I can judge the matter dispassionately I feel that this is not true" and then launching into her perceptions above. This has no place in a Misplaced Pages article about history. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
References
- McDermott, Rachel Fell (ed.). Sources of Indian Tradition: Modern India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. p. 580.
Restored clarification of Chatterji
In re-inserting the above text in this edit, Evox777 also undid unrelated clarifications to what Chatterji wrote. Based on Evox777's edit summary, their comment above, and this comment left on my talk page, I assume that their reversion of the Chatterji clarifications was unintended. But if they or anyone else thinks that Chatterji blamed only the Muslim League for the riots, I would be happy to discuss it here. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Selective removal of sourced content
User:AhmedQureshi has selectively removed content about Muslims being targeted on dubious reasons. I also have other issues but will discuss them later. There was a revert by an IP address before Qureshi, I don't know if it's him since Qureshi created the account after. First he says there is no reliable source. That too when the article itself says with reliable sources there were killings of not only Hindus, but Muslims as well. I have quoted the article with references later on.
Then when I add several sources he frivolously them as non-reliable. Also he cites a reason that there a category "Persecution of Bengali Hindus". However, Direct Action Day#Background there is also a "Violence against Muslims in India" category. He dismissed all the sources I cited as "non-reliable", though I doubt he himself knows completely about WP:RELIABLE. One of the source I added is well-known publishers Taylor & Francis who also publishes books as academic journals, and it is reputed. One of the known author Tanika Sarkar. Another author Sekhar Bandyopadhyay is also a known scholar . The other two sources, Mahatma Gandhi: A Selected Biography page 26, Report to Lord Pethick-Lawrence are already in source which I also cite below.
Also here's some of the quotes from the articles contents woth sources that Muslims were targeted as well, it was violence between Hindus and Muslims both and not just on Hindus.
Direct Action Day (16 August 1946), also known as the Great Calcutta Killings, was a day of widespread riot and manslaughter between Hindus and Muslims in the city of Calcutta (now known as Kolkata) in the Bengal province of British India.
Some authors have claimed that most of the victims were Muslims.
Hindus and Sikhs were just as fierce as the Muslims in the beginning. Parties of one community would lie in wait, and as soon as they caught one of the other community, they would cut him to pieces.
AhmedQureshi is engaging in disruptive behavior by selectively removing text from the infobox which is sourced. I aks him to stop this. 117.215.225.128 (talk) 18:18, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
References
- Burrows, Frederick (1946). Report to Viceroy Lord Wavell. The British Library IOR: L/P&J/8/655 f.f. 95, 96–107.
- Carter, April (1995). Mahatma Gandhi: A Selected Bibliography. Westport, CT: Greenwood Publishing Group. p. 26. ISBN 031328296X.
- Wavell, Archibald P. (1946). Report to Lord Pethick-Lawrence. British Library Archives: IOR.
I agree, it's unnecessary to present only Hindus as the target. Therefore I changed it to civil conflict. 103.40.196.34 (talk) 14:17, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Supposedly sourced content
I see three sentences in the lead that say:
The 1946 Cabinet Mission to India for planning of the transfer of power from the British Raj to the Indian leadership proposed an initial plan of composition of the new Dominion of India and its government. However, soon an alternative plan to divide the British Raj into a Hindu-majority India and a Muslim-majority Pakistan was proposed by the Muslim League. The Congress rejected the alternative proposal outright.
An IP removed the last of these sentences, and suddenly our attention to this problematic content. All this is completely wrong. There is nothing of this kind in any source. I see that fragments of the second sentence were added by User:Dwaipayanc way back in 2008 under a citation, making it appear as a sourced statement. Please don't do this. It destroys WP:Text-source integrity, and all kinds of junk passes for sourced content. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:30, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Partisan article?
I know nothing about this event, but phrases like "a hardline Muslim hooligan" suggest that I am not likely to find many answers here Gwaka Lumpa (talk) 16:10, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Crimes against humanity category removal
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