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== Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2024 == |
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== The term "Islamophobic" is definitionally contested, and therefore not an objective descriptor. This should be reworded for objectivity. == |
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Change ] (]) 18:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Please remove the phrase "has been declining since 2017". This is false, with people like Andrew Tate and the Identitarian movement becoming more prevalent. This claim has no source. ] (]) 00:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> I'm closing this request for now because this phrase is part of a much larger issue of this article that needs a lot more work and information to tackle. The reason that the claim has no source is because it's a lead section summary of the section ], but that section is now outdated, and is tagged as so. Nevertheless, you still need to provide a ] that states the movement is ''not'' in decline (or alternatively, reopen this request once editors have finished updating the section). ] (]) 00:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Well, it is particularly hard to find sources that are reliable due to how the political climate around such things are ''well what's the word...'' charged so couldn't the question really be is what sources could be appropriate to update the article to date while keeping up with Misplaced Pages standards? ] (]) 00:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::Is claiming that it ''is'' in decline without valid proof not misinformation? ] (]) 10:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== 2017 Jewish Community Center Bomb Threats == |
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:No. ] (]) 14:02, 22 August 2023 (UTC) |
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The penultimate paragraph in the Tactics section contains the following passage: |
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== Alt-Right is atheist? == |
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” In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centerswhich some press sources attributed to the alt-right. Another Jewish target was the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who was sent messages stating that he and his children "will go to the ovens". “ |
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I sincerely question the notion of the alt-right being largely atheist. In my experience, that is ''absolutely'' not the case at all. Besides a few high-profile personalities like Spencer being atheists (the alt-right accepts him despite his atheism because they love to make a bad-faith pretense of "listening to all sides", see also: Milo Yiannopoulos, who is gay). I realize that I'm only going off of my experience here, which I acknowledge isn't enough to modify the article, but at the same time, a single Guardian article and a citation from a book that isn't accessible online are not enough evidence to throw an already marginalized group (in most of the US, at least) into the same box as a group that specifically targets marginalized people (including atheists!). ] (]) 05:04, 29 July 2023 (UTC) |
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This use of the passive voice, (“a wave of threats began to be made” who made the threats?) coupled with the immediately following sentence starting with “another Jewish target” strongly implies that the alt right was behind the community center bomb threats. |
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:Yeah, this is silly. The alt-right is overwhelmingly and quite vocally NOT atheist... ] (]) 11:24, 20 August 2023 (UTC) |
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However, if I actually click on the hyperlinked article about the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats, I discover that they had nothing to do with the alt right. Instead, they were perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist. |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2023 == |
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I propose the following edit: |
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Put antisemitic as one of the characteristics of the alt right movement in the top of the page. ] (]) 00:09, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:Do you have a reference to a high quality reliable source that verifies what you want to add? The article, after all, says {{tpq|Some alt-rightists are antisemitic, promoting a conspiracy theory that there is a Jewish plot to bring about white genocide, although other alt-rightists view most Jews as members of the white race.}} ] (]) 00:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 04:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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“In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centers which some press sources *wrongly* attributed to the alt-right; *these threats were actually perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist, neither of which had any connection to the alt right*.” ] (]) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:If this edit or an edit like it cannot be made, I would suggest removing the hyperlink to the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats so at least no Misplaced Pages reader will realize that this article and that article directly contradict each other. ] (]) 11:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Please remove the phrase "has been declining since 2017". This is false, with people like Andrew Tate and the Identitarian movement becoming more prevalent. This claim has no source. ] (]) 00:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Switch article to past tense. == |
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:] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> I'm closing this request for now because this phrase is part of a much larger issue of this article that needs a lot more work and information to tackle. The reason that the claim has no source is because it's a lead section summary of the section ], but that section is now outdated, and is tagged as so. Nevertheless, you still need to provide a ] that states the movement is ''not'' in decline (or alternatively, reopen this request once editors have finished updating the section). ] (]) 00:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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As a movement and especially as a coalition, the alt-right is largely dead as of 2025. Websites like the , quoting many of its prominent former members, have referred to it in the past tense since at least 2022. It's undeniable that many of its ideas have been incorporated into modern right-wing politics, but after the 2010s, the movement as a cohesive whole has largely splintered into various ideological offshoots, such as neo-reactionaryism, Christian Nationalism, Trumpism, etc. |
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Given that the movement no longer exists, I feel the tense of the article should be updated to reflect this. ] (]) 18:39, 11 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:I vote '''No'''. Because, what do you mean? Articles all over the internet as well as recent years' geopolitical landscapes, even with the recent victory of Trump, indicate clearly that it is still on the rise and very much an active movement. Your statements here are just blatantly false. Here is one such source from just two days ago: https://m.thewire.in/article/world/elon-musk-x-alt-right-propaganda Here is another: https://thelogic.co/news/pickering-city-council-mayor-alt-right/ Another: https://globalnews.ca/news/10940453/pickering-council-virtual-meetings-announcement/ |
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:Are you just going to ignore these facts? Or do you suppose it shouldn't called alt-right but just far-right...? Or are you downplaying them in order to further their interests? It is the purpose of Misplaced Pages to be as biased as possible, and this is not how you do that. ] (]) 10:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC) |
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::OK let's calm down. I also agree that this doesn't seem appropriate at this juncture as reliable sources as recent as 2024 exist that make reference to the alt-right in present tense. However I would suggest we ] here. ] (]) 13:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC) |
The penultimate paragraph in the Tactics section contains the following passage:
” In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centerswhich some press sources attributed to the alt-right. Another Jewish target was the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who was sent messages stating that he and his children "will go to the ovens". “
This use of the passive voice, (“a wave of threats began to be made” who made the threats?) coupled with the immediately following sentence starting with “another Jewish target” strongly implies that the alt right was behind the community center bomb threats.
However, if I actually click on the hyperlinked article about the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats, I discover that they had nothing to do with the alt right. Instead, they were perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist.
“In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centers which some press sources *wrongly* attributed to the alt-right; *these threats were actually perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist, neither of which had any connection to the alt right*.” Hoax Tree (talk) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
As a movement and especially as a coalition, the alt-right is largely dead as of 2025. Websites like the Southern Poverty Law Center, quoting many of its prominent former members, have referred to it in the past tense since at least 2022. It's undeniable that many of its ideas have been incorporated into modern right-wing politics, but after the 2010s, the movement as a cohesive whole has largely splintered into various ideological offshoots, such as neo-reactionaryism, Christian Nationalism, Trumpism, etc.
Not done for now: I'm closing this request for now because this phrase is part of a much larger issue of this article that needs a lot more work and information to tackle. The reason that the claim has no source is because it's a lead section summary of the section Alt-right#2017–present: Decline, but that section is now outdated, and is tagged as so. Nevertheless, you still need to provide a reliable source that states the movement is not in decline (or alternatively, reopen this request once editors have finished updating the section). Liu1126 (talk) 00:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC)