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| {{cite book |last1=Dixit |first1=Priya |title=Race, Popular Culture, and Far-right Extremism in the United States |date=2022 |publisher=Palgrave Macmillan |location=Cham |isbn=978-3-031-10820-4 |pages=135–172 |doi=10.1007/978-3-031-10820-4_5 |language=en |chapter=Memeing the Far-Right: Pepe and the Deplorables |chapter-url=https://link-springer-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-10820-4_5 |chapter-url-access=registration |via=]}} |
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| {{cite book |last1=Jackson |first1=Sam |title=A Schema of Right-Wing Extremism in the United States |date=October 2019 |doi=10.19165/2019.2.06 |issn=2468-0486 |jstor=resrep19625 |jstor-access=free |publisher=International Centre for Counter-Terrorism |location=The Hague |url=https://icct.nl/app/uploads/2019/11/ASchemaofRWEXSamJackson-1.pdf}} |
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== The term "Islamophobic" is definitionally contested, and therefore not an objective descriptor. This should be reworded for objectivity. == |
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Change ] (]) 18:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:No. ] (]) 14:02, 22 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2023 == |
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Put antisemitic as one of the characteristics of the alt right movement in the top of the page. ] (]) 00:09, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:Do you have a reference to a high quality reliable source that verifies what you want to add? The article, after all, says {{tpq|Some alt-rightists are antisemitic, promoting a conspiracy theory that there is a Jewish plot to bring about white genocide, although other alt-rightists view most Jews as members of the white race.}} ] (]) 00:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 04:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2024 == |
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:] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> I'm closing this request for now because this phrase is part of a much larger issue of this article that needs a lot more work and information to tackle. The reason that the claim has no source is because it's a lead section summary of the section ], but that section is now outdated, and is tagged as so. Nevertheless, you still need to provide a ] that states the movement is ''not'' in decline (or alternatively, reopen this request once editors have finished updating the section). ] (]) 00:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> I'm closing this request for now because this phrase is part of a much larger issue of this article that needs a lot more work and information to tackle. The reason that the claim has no source is because it's a lead section summary of the section ], but that section is now outdated, and is tagged as so. Nevertheless, you still need to provide a ] that states the movement is ''not'' in decline (or alternatively, reopen this request once editors have finished updating the section). ] (]) 00:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Well, it is particularly hard to find sources that are reliable due to how the political climate around such things are ''well what's the word...'' charged so couldn't the question really be is what sources could be appropriate to update the article to date while keeping up with Misplaced Pages standards? ] (]) 00:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::Well, it is particularly hard to find sources that are reliable due to how the political climate around such things are ''well what's the word...'' charged so couldn't the question really be is what sources could be appropriate to update the article to date while keeping up with Misplaced Pages standards? ] (]) 00:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::Is claiming that it ''is'' in decline without valid proof not misinformation? ] (]) 10:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== 2017 Jewish Community Center Bomb Threats == |
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The penultimate paragraph in the Tactics section contains the following passage: |
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” In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centerswhich some press sources attributed to the alt-right. Another Jewish target was the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who was sent messages stating that he and his children "will go to the ovens". “ |
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This use of the passive voice, (“a wave of threats began to be made” who made the threats?) coupled with the immediately following sentence starting with “another Jewish target” strongly implies that the alt right was behind the community center bomb threats. |
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However, if I actually click on the hyperlinked article about the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats, I discover that they had nothing to do with the alt right. Instead, they were perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist. |
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I propose the following edit: |
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“In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centers which some press sources *wrongly* attributed to the alt-right; *these threats were actually perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist, neither of which had any connection to the alt right*.” ] (]) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:If this edit or an edit like it cannot be made, I would suggest removing the hyperlink to the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats so at least no Misplaced Pages reader will realize that this article and that article directly contradict each other. ] (]) 11:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Transphobia (+Isolation) in the Alt-Right == |
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== Switch article to past tense. == |
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Over many, many years, alt-right members have ruthlessly attacked & boycotted any company that shows ANY form of support for transgender people. Even if the supportive content in question is years old, or even entirely fake, alt-righters will often spread the rhetoric that the company is spreading “gender ideology”, therefore “indoctrinating” their children. Often times, the reasons for these boycotts are completely debunked. This only pushes alt-right members to double down on the false claims, and harass others online on the topic. |
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As a movement and especially as a coalition, the alt-right is largely dead as of 2025. Websites like the , quoting many of its prominent former members, have referred to it in the past tense since at least 2022. It's undeniable that many of its ideas have been incorporated into modern right-wing politics, but after the 2010s, the movement as a cohesive whole has largely splintered into various ideological offshoots, such as neo-reactionaryism, Christian Nationalism, Trumpism, etc. |
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Additionally, Alt-Right members often experience isolation in life due to their beliefs. Because they are racist, anti-woman, and anti-lgbt, it’s not uncommon for their beliefs to spill out into their real-life situations. This can cause them to become disconnected from their family, children, job, and the world, leading to depression. Instead of questioning their own ideas, these alt-righters will often (again) double down on their ideas, insisting that their loved ones are in the wrong for being appalled by their speech. This leads the alt-righters into a lifetime of lonely bitterness. |
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Given that the movement no longer exists, I feel the tense of the article should be updated to reflect this. ] (]) 18:39, 11 January 2025 (UTC) |
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This isolation only confirms alt-right beliefs that they are the ones under attack, and that white straight men are oppressed within society. |
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:I vote '''No'''. Because, what do you mean? Articles all over the internet as well as recent years' geopolitical landscapes, even with the recent victory of Trump, indicate clearly that it is still on the rise and very much an active movement. Your statements here are just blatantly false. Here is one such source from just two days ago: https://m.thewire.in/article/world/elon-musk-x-alt-right-propaganda Here is another: https://thelogic.co/news/pickering-city-council-mayor-alt-right/ Another: https://globalnews.ca/news/10940453/pickering-council-virtual-meetings-announcement/ |
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:Are you just going to ignore these facts? Or do you suppose it shouldn't called alt-right but just far-right...? Or are you downplaying them in order to further their interests? It is the purpose of Misplaced Pages to be as biased as possible, and this is not how you do that. ] (]) 10:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC) |
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Transphobia in the Alt-right NEEDS to be added to this Wiki page. Every day is a new outrage for them. They are constantly on the prowl for the newest trans scare. The online harassment never stops. And I have personally witnessed multiple people become SEVERELY disconnected from their family & kids due to alt-right beliefs. ] (]) 04:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::OK let's calm down. I also agree that this doesn't seem appropriate at this juncture as reliable sources as recent as 2024 exist that make reference to the alt-right in present tense. However I would suggest we ] here. ] (]) 13:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC) |
The penultimate paragraph in the Tactics section contains the following passage:
” In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centerswhich some press sources attributed to the alt-right. Another Jewish target was the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who was sent messages stating that he and his children "will go to the ovens". “
This use of the passive voice, (“a wave of threats began to be made” who made the threats?) coupled with the immediately following sentence starting with “another Jewish target” strongly implies that the alt right was behind the community center bomb threats.
However, if I actually click on the hyperlinked article about the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats, I discover that they had nothing to do with the alt right. Instead, they were perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist.
“In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centers which some press sources *wrongly* attributed to the alt-right; *these threats were actually perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist, neither of which had any connection to the alt right*.” Hoax Tree (talk) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
As a movement and especially as a coalition, the alt-right is largely dead as of 2025. Websites like the Southern Poverty Law Center, quoting many of its prominent former members, have referred to it in the past tense since at least 2022. It's undeniable that many of its ideas have been incorporated into modern right-wing politics, but after the 2010s, the movement as a cohesive whole has largely splintered into various ideological offshoots, such as neo-reactionaryism, Christian Nationalism, Trumpism, etc.
Not done for now: I'm closing this request for now because this phrase is part of a much larger issue of this article that needs a lot more work and information to tackle. The reason that the claim has no source is because it's a lead section summary of the section Alt-right#2017–present: Decline, but that section is now outdated, and is tagged as so. Nevertheless, you still need to provide a reliable source that states the movement is not in decline (or alternatively, reopen this request once editors have finished updating the section). Liu1126 (talk) 00:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC)